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Producer : 3/3/2021 4:56 pm
I always go with John Bonham but lately I guess I am putting Neil Peart alongside him. I always felt Peart was too technical but I have changed my feelings about him.

I watched the doc Beyond the Lighted Stage (on Netflix) and it warmed me up to Rush for the first time in years. I saw them on the Moving Pictures tour. Nice guys. Great band and Peart is portrayed magnificently in that doc.

So for me it is

1, Bonham
1A. Peart

I also always loved Bill Bruford. And for a wildcard I love Steely Dan's recent drummer Keith Carlock.

Below is a link to a Peart drum solo that is simply remarkable.
Neil Peart Drum Solo - Rush Live in Frankfurt - ( New Window )
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Bonham and Peart  
Scott in Montreal : 3/4/2021 8:17 am : link
are legends.

Some of my favorite current drummers that are excellent are:

Ian Paice from Deep Purple has to be one of the all time underrated drummers.
Mike Portnoy - Dream Theater, Flying Colors, Avenged Sevenfold, Adrenaline Mob and whatever other band he has going right now.
Morgan Rose - Sevendust
Alex Bent - Trivium

and recently I have really gotten into the playing of Mario Duplantier from Gojira
RE: Most underated  
GiantsLaw : 3/4/2021 8:25 am : link
In comment 15166080 BillT said:
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Mitch Mitchell. As good as any.

Going thru this thread was surprised he only got one mention
The best...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/4/2021 8:28 am : link
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Bonham's half-time shuffle groove... - ( New Window )
if you asked Alice Cooper  
Dr. D : 3/4/2021 9:04 am : link
he would say Keith Moon (I just saw him say it recently in a documentary on Moon).

I agree with Alice.

The Who were always known as a great high energy live band. Moon was the driver of the high energy (except when he took enough horse tranquilizers to kill most people). The rest of the band had to keep up with him (this is based on interviews of Pete and Roger).

They maintained that energy after Moon died. I remember seeing the Stones in '81 and it was ok. Then I saw The Who for the first time in '82 (at Shea - David Johannsen and The Clash opened). The Who blew away the Stones. The energy was unreal (and that tour was with a relatively low energy Kenny Jones (of The Faces) on drums).

Long live rock!
RE: I don't know about the best.....  
djm : 3/4/2021 9:30 am : link
In comment 15166025 No Where Man said:
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but Ginger Baker was the insanest.


He was the closest to a jazz drummer as any rock drummer ever. Which means he was pretty much the best.
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Dr. D : 3/4/2021 11:47 am : link
In comment 15166588 djm said:
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but Ginger Baker was the insanest.



He was the closest to a jazz drummer as any rock drummer ever. Which means he was pretty much the best.

jazz?

I tried to get into it. I do like some jazz influence in some rock, but when it comes to jazz in general, I was better at acquiring a taste for Brussel sprouts.
RE: Bonham and Peart  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2021 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15166524 Scott in Montreal said:
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are legends.

Some of my favorite current drummers that are excellent are:

Ian Paice from Deep Purple has to be one of the all time underrated drummers.
Mike Portnoy - Dream Theater, Flying Colors, Avenged Sevenfold, Adrenaline Mob and whatever other band he has going right now.
Morgan Rose - Sevendust
Alex Bent - Trivium

and recently I have really gotten into the playing of Mario Duplantier from Gojira


I came here to add in Gojira. Just started listening to them the past few months, Duplantier's speed and power is impressive.
RE: I should probably recuse myself  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/4/2021 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15166425 santacruzom said:
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From any conversation about Peary because I can't stand Rush. But though I can admire his obviously immense skill, his drumming doesn't do it for me... always felt it lacked soul.

Which means that he is indeed the perfect drummer for Rush.


LOL. I hate you for saying it, but damn that was funny.
RE: if you asked Alice Cooper  
Gregorio : 3/4/2021 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15166572 Dr. D said:
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he would say Keith Moon (I just saw him say it recently in a documentary on Moon).

I agree with Alice.

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Dr D,
Drummer debates are fun! This all comes down to personal opinion, so you are not wrong to choose Moon, but in my definition of ‘best drummer’, Moon isn’t the best.

Moon provided energy to The Who’s live shows, there is no disputing that. He played a ton of notes; banged on drums like nuts. He filled space with busy fills every chance he could. To my ears that didn’t always add value. He sometimes played in his own world, leaving the time-keeping job to Entwistle.

Are busy fills more important than delivering a sense of groove?

To me, a more important factor of the ‘best drummer’ is delivering a sense of groove. That, along with keeping time have the most weight. Playing fills is a lesser factor. If you think of Stewart Copeland for example; he played a variety of styles, but his energy really drove the Police’s music. He didn’t need to play monster fills to provide that energy.

What factors do you think make the ‘best drummer’?
RE: if you asked Alice Cooper  
rnargi : 3/4/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15166572 Dr. D said:
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he would say Keith Moon (I just saw him say it recently in a documentary on Moon).

I agree with Alice.

The Who were always known as a great high energy live band. Moon was the driver of the high energy (except when he took enough horse tranquilizers to kill most people). The rest of the band had to keep up with him (this is based on interviews of Pete and Roger).

They maintained that energy after Moon died. I remember seeing the Stones in '81 and it was ok. Then I saw The Who for the first time in '82 (at Shea - David Johannsen and The Clash opened). The Who blew away the Stones. The energy was unreal (and that tour was with a relatively low energy Kenny Jones (of The Faces) on drums).

Long live rock!


The Who would have ended in 1989 had Pete not hired Zak Starkey (Ringo's son). Pete has stated that he will never play another Who show unless Zak is on drums. He calls Zak the karmic Keith Moon.
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Dr. D : 3/4/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15166771 rnargi said:
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The Who would have ended in 1989 had Pete not hired Zak Starkey (Ringo's son). Pete has stated that he will never play another Who show unless Zak is on drums. He calls Zak the karmic Keith Moon.

Yeah, Roger was ok with Kenny Jones, but Pete wasn't. There was a drummer in between Jones and Zak. I forgot his name so i just looked up the '89 tour (I saw 3 of those shows). Simon Phillips actually played drums on that tour. He wasn't bad, but Zak is the best and most Moon like.

You're probably aware that Keith was close friends with Ringo and sort of Zak's Godfather. The story goes that Ringo didn't want Zak going into the music business. Keith basically said f*ck that and bought Zak his first drum kit.. and the rest is history.

I've seen The Who with Zak quite a few times and it's always great. Kind of crazy to think he's been drummer for The Who so much longer than Keith was. Of course Keith's years were the golden years.
RE: so many good ones  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/4/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15166153 Devour the Day said:
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My top 3:
Carter Beauford- Dave Matthews Band
Stewart Copeland - Police
Lars Ulrich - Metallica

Beauford absolutely belongs in the conversation, IMO. Peart and Copeland too, for sure, along with Moon, Collins, and Grohl.
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Dr. D : 3/4/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15166766 Gregorio said:
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he would say Keith Moon (I just saw him say it recently in a documentary on Moon).

I agree with Alice.

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Dr D,
Drummer debates are fun! This all comes down to personal opinion, so you are not wrong to choose Moon, but in my definition of ‘best drummer’, Moon isn’t the best.


What factors do you think make the ‘best drummer’?

Are you questioning Super Duper Alice Cooper?!

All the young girls love Alice! (45 years ago, anyway).

Ha! Gregorio, looks like you know far more about drumming than I. But I will say that imo, Moon knew how to use empty space (don't know if that's a legit term), but as an example he used it well through the climax of Won't Get Fooled Again. And climax is a good word for it.

I do agree that (from what I've read) the Ox had to sometimes keep timing together on stage. But The Who wouldn't have been The Who (who I love) if Moon wasn't their drummer the first 15 yrs.

And was never a big fan of the Police, so can't say jack about Copeland.
RE: Jim Gordon  
Section331 : 3/4/2021 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15166272 Beef Wellington said:
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case closed.


Good call on Gordon, such a fantastic player. Loved his work on Derek & the Dominos and the later Traffic records. Such a tragic story - an undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenic who is in prison for killing his mother. He sought treatment a number of times, but was told his issues were drug-related.
RE: Devil's advocate-  
Section331 : 3/4/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15166376 CRinCA said:
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Is Phil Collins much different from say, Don Henley with Eagles and later solo days? I'm not trying to be a dick but I tend to think of them as comparatively "equal" although I'll admit to not being real familiar with the early Genesis days of Collins.

Honest questions not trying to be inflammatory. I barely recall the 70's and 80's as it is.


No way, Phil Collins was a far better drummer than Henley, it's not even close. He can't play anymore, but his Genesis work and his first solo record were tour de force drum sessions.
RE: One of the most UNDER RATED rock drummers...  
santacruzom : 3/4/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15166474 EricJ said:
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who truly has his own style is Bill Ward. Just look at this live performance from 1970. Doing this with a fraction of the drums that some of the more modern drummers were using. Bill was likely the best rock drummer in the early 70s.

He really gets going at the 2 min mark of the video. Bill Ward Live - ( New Window )


Honestly, I think everyone in Black Sabbath is underrated and I only like roughly half their songs. Geezer Butler in particular -- other bassists know he rules, but he rarely appears on any "great bassist" list.
RE: The best...  
santacruzom : 3/4/2021 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15166534 Brown_Hornet said:
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... Bonham's half-time shuffle groove... - ( New Window )


Jesus, listen to all those ghost notes! How the hell.
I'm surprised to not see any mention of  
Section331 : 3/4/2021 2:08 pm : link
Michael Shrieve, lifelong Santana drummer. He set the world on fire as a 19 yr old at Woodstock, and hasn't slowed down a bit.

I'll add 2 more, Glenn Kotche of Wilco, and Phil Selway of Radiohead. Kotche is simply fantastic, especially live. And listen to Selway's work on Reckoner off of the In Rainbows record, the closest thing to Art Blakely I've heard in popular music.
RE: RE: if you asked Alice Cooper  
santacruzom : 3/4/2021 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15166766 Gregorio said:
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To me, a more important factor of the ‘best drummer’ is delivering a sense of groove. That, along with keeping time have the most weight. Playing fills is a lesser factor. If you think of Stewart Copeland for example; he played a variety of styles, but his energy really drove the Police’s music. He didn’t need to play monster fills to provide that energy.


That's a great way to put it. Copeland basically propels the band almost single-handedly with just his hi hat.

I used to really love that guy, but in general these days, I prefer a more laid back feel to being ahead of the beat all the time.
good call Section  
santacruzom : 3/4/2021 2:14 pm : link
Selway is awesome. He has a great knack for rendering Radiohead's riffs and melodies into a great feel, and can be powerful, delicate, propulsive, laid back, and everywhere in between.
RE: I have been playing drums since 1976  
Pete in MD : 3/4/2021 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15166358 Rjanyg said:
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Many great names have been listed: Bonham, Peart, Ringo, Ginger, Copeland..... all legends.

3 names I am shocked haven’t been mentioned are: Peter Criss, Steve Smith and Phil Collins. Especially Collins. He may have the most famous drum full of all time. He maybe known for his singing and sing writing but his drumming is so iconic and unique that you can tell it is him. He has his own style and sound.

I throw a few more names out although they aren’t just rock drummers: Omar Hakim, Manu Katche, Chester Thompson.

I have a family story that my cousin (mom's first cousin) introduced Peter Criss to the drums. It's plausible because they grew up in the same neighborhood in Brooklyn and would be roughly the same age (but my cousin died in a car accident before I was born.) Also, my cousin and other family members played in polka bands. He learned to play at very young age bc they needed a drummer. He played drums at weddings and such in his early teens.
My favorites  
Rick5 : 3/4/2021 4:14 pm : link
are Bruford, Peart, and Paul Ramsey.
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Crispino : 3/4/2021 4:39 pm : link
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But Peart was an actual "musician". Big distinction. Oh and an all- world lyricist beyond compare.




And for anyone putting Ringo in the mix- just wow.



Did I read your post wrong? Serious ... IMO Ringo was a great drummer for the Beatles.

Ringo was a Left-handed drummer who played a right handed kit. It gave him a unique playing style. He was rock solid on so many tracks ...

"Tomorrow never knows", "Rain", the whole "Abbey Road" album. To this day I will never understand why Ringo's musical abilities gets shit on.

Apologies if I mis-interpreted your post.



Ring tremendously underrated because of the company he kept. But a very fine drummer. A friend of mine who plays professionally on tours all over the world can go on and on about the technical aspects of Ringo’s playing that make him one of the most underrated drummers of all time. He points to Ringo’s inventive drumming on Come Together as an example.
there's a Beatles documentary  
santacruzom : 3/4/2021 5:08 pm : link
on Amazon if I'm not mistaken about their transition from touring in Germany to becoming the biggest band in the world. In it, either John or Paul (or both) are quoted as saying the entire band simply took a huge step forward once Ringo took the drum throne.

I've felt that too, when our old band replaced our subpar drummer with one who wasn't spectacular, but who was simply rock solid and played with conviction. Everything else, even the vocals, just sounded much better as a result.
ah, found it  
santacruzom : 3/4/2021 6:27 pm : link
It's called Eight Days a Week, on Hulu. Roughly 5 minutes in Paul says:

"I still remember that moment the first time Ringo played with us. Bang, he kicks in. And it was an Oh My God moment. I remember looking, and we're all looking at each other like, 'Yeah, this is it.'"
RE: I should probably recuse myself  
Brown_Hornet : 3/4/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15166425 santacruzom said:
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From any conversation about Peary because I can't stand Rush. But though I can admire his obviously immense skill, his drumming doesn't do it for me... always felt it lacked soul.

Which means that he is indeed the perfect drummer for Rush.
I was never quite sure how to express my respect for and dislike of, Neil Peart.
Until now.

This is awesome.
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Producer : 3/4/2021 7:37 pm : link
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From any conversation about Peary because I can't stand Rush. But though I can admire his obviously immense skill, his drumming doesn't do it for me... always felt it lacked soul.

Which means that he is indeed the perfect drummer for Rush.

I was never quite sure how to express my respect for and dislike of, Neil Peart.
Until now.

This is awesome.


This is the thing about Bonham, who had great skills, perhaps not on the level of Peart but still great, but who had a groove and feel and an inventiveness within the normal structure of rock music. He played "deep in the pocket" otherwise known as a "fat groove". It is hard to play that way and sound together. Bonham's feel is a big part of Zeppelin's sound. Add to that the heaviness of his playing and the sound he achieves, and you can see why without Bonham there is no Led Zeppelin. Later in his career Peart explored laying back more and studied groove. It wasn't something that came naturally to him.

As it regards Ringo, I'm not a great fan and I think the Beatles would have benefitted from a better drummer. His playing is fine but I think there are many who are just as good and would have been a good fit for the Beatles.

I am actually surprised nobody has mentioned Charlie Watts. Watts is seriously underrated. He helps the Stones swing. And I think he is superior to Ringo.
RE: RE: RE: I should probably recuse myself  
santacruzom : 3/4/2021 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15167088 Producer said:
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As it regards Ringo, I'm not a great fan and I think the Beatles would have benefitted from a better drummer. His playing is fine but I think there are many who are just as good and would have been a good fit for the Beatles.


It's so hard to tell though, because even though many of Ringo's parts can be played by a decent drummer, I'm not sure they would have been conceived by many of them.

A guy like Watts, whose feel I love... I'm not sure there are many Stones songs featuring a drum part I can easily identify as a Watts part if someone else played it perfectly. But Ringo provided a ton of easily recognizable parts. Would those parts have been created or surpassed by another drummer? We'll never know.
and ultimately  
santacruzom : 3/4/2021 7:57 pm : link
I just have to defer to the quote from McCartney I provided earlier. To hear him talk about how the entire band responded the moment Ringo took over for Pete Best -- how recalling the memory actually made him choke up a bit -- tells volumes.

No other instrument can do that to the whole band like a drummer, IMO. It's too bad the awesome power of drums is wielded by drummers, the most likely people on earth to misappropriate that power!
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Producer : 3/4/2021 8:14 pm : link
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As it regards Ringo, I'm not a great fan and I think the Beatles would have benefitted from a better drummer. His playing is fine but I think there are many who are just as good and would have been a good fit for the Beatles.




It's so hard to tell though, because even though many of Ringo's parts can be played by a decent drummer, I'm not sure they would have been conceived by many of them.

A guy like Watts, whose feel I love... I'm not sure there are many Stones songs featuring a drum part I can easily identify as a Watts part if someone else played it perfectly. But Ringo provided a ton of easily recognizable parts. Would those parts have been created or surpassed by another drummer? We'll never know.


Watts makes you dance to the Stones. Watts is the sexy of the Stones music, which is huge. If it was Ringo playing on those songs, honestly I don't think it would be nearly as good. Good drumming on Stones songs.. there are plenty. Maybe you are not much of a fan. Start with Honky Tonk Women, Can't You Hear me Knocking, Gimme Shelter (epic menacing groove), Paint it Black, Sympathy for the Devil... dark, swinging, sexy.. is Watts.
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Producer : 3/4/2021 8:18 pm : link
let's not forget that there are heavy rumors that in fact it was McCartney who played some of the drums on the White Album and Abbey Road, the albums with the very best drumming on Beatles albums.
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santacruzom : 3/4/2021 9:42 pm : link
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As it regards Ringo, I'm not a great fan and I think the Beatles would have benefitted from a better drummer. His playing is fine but I think there are many who are just as good and would have been a good fit for the Beatles.




It's so hard to tell though, because even though many of Ringo's parts can be played by a decent drummer, I'm not sure they would have been conceived by many of them.

A guy like Watts, whose feel I love... I'm not sure there are many Stones songs featuring a drum part I can easily identify as a Watts part if someone else played it perfectly. But Ringo provided a ton of easily recognizable parts. Would those parts have been created or surpassed by another drummer? We'll never know.



Watts makes you dance to the Stones. Watts is the sexy of the Stones music, which is huge. If it was Ringo playing on those songs, honestly I don't think it would be nearly as good. Good drumming on Stones songs.. there are plenty. Maybe you are not much of a fan. Start with Honky Tonk Women, Can't You Hear me Knocking, Gimme Shelter (epic menacing groove), Paint it Black, Sympathy for the Devil... dark, swinging, sexy.. is Watts.


No no, I didn't mean to imply I didn't think there is no good drumming in the entire Stones catalog. But his parts are more straight-ahead and fundamental than what you'll hear in a lot of later-day Beatles tunes, which are more compositional.

Also, Ringo delivered the danceable R&B stuff very well in their early years.
RE: and ultimately  
Section331 : 3/4/2021 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15167120 santacruzom said:
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I just have to defer to the quote from McCartney I provided earlier. To hear him talk about how the entire band responded the moment Ringo took over for Pete Best -- how recalling the memory actually made him choke up a bit -- tells volumes.

No other instrument can do that to the whole band like a drummer, IMO. It's too bad the awesome power of drums is wielded by drummers, the most likely people on earth to misappropriate that power!


But was McCartney’s comment more about how good Ringo was, or just how bad Pete Best was. Their label told them they would not allow Best to play on any record. They could tour with him, but they had to find another studio drummer.
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Producer : 3/4/2021 9:58 pm : link
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I just have to defer to the quote from McCartney I provided earlier. To hear him talk about how the entire band responded the moment Ringo took over for Pete Best -- how recalling the memory actually made him choke up a bit -- tells volumes.

No other instrument can do that to the whole band like a drummer, IMO. It's too bad the awesome power of drums is wielded by drummers, the most likely people on earth to misappropriate that power!



But was McCartney’s comment more about how good Ringo was, or just how bad Pete Best was. Their label told them they would not allow Best to play on any record. They could tour with him, but they had to find another studio drummer.


yes. A bit of both I suspect. I'm sure Ringo elevated their sound. He was a pro drummer. He is a great drummer there is no doubt. I'm sure he was a good participant bringing the music to tape. But he's not in Bonham's class. Bonham almost defines Zeppelin's sound. And I like the swing of Watts better.
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santacruzom : 3/5/2021 12:08 am : link
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I just have to defer to the quote from McCartney I provided earlier. To hear him talk about how the entire band responded the moment Ringo took over for Pete Best -- how recalling the memory actually made him choke up a bit -- tells volumes.

No other instrument can do that to the whole band like a drummer, IMO. It's too bad the awesome power of drums is wielded by drummers, the most likely people on earth to misappropriate that power!



But was McCartney’s comment more about how good Ringo was, or just how bad Pete Best was. Their label told them they would not allow Best to play on any record. They could tour with him, but they had to find another studio drummer.



yes. A bit of both I suspect. I'm sure Ringo elevated their sound. He was a pro drummer. He is a great drummer there is no doubt. I'm sure he was a good participant bringing the music to tape. But he's not in Bonham's class. Bonham almost defines Zeppelin's sound. And I like the swing of Watts better.


I don't even mention Bonham in conversations like these because I just kind of consider him a consensus.

That Fool In The Rain isolated drum clip someone posted earlier is fantastic. I always appreciated his part but never heard all those subtleties until now.
Rock Drummers  
Gettledogman : 3/5/2021 8:54 am : link
IMO in order of influence on the music
John Henry Bonham
Vinnie Colaiuta
Stewart Copeland
Neil Peart
Danny Carey
Dave Grohl

Granted there are many great all Around drummers-But these guys completely dominated, revolutionized the sound and were most influential. But thems be the studs.
This is a stupid game, but I'll play and it's KEITH FEKKING MOON...  
x meadowlander : 3/5/2021 9:06 am : link
...Bonzo was amazing and mega kudos to Carl Palmer, Ginger Baker, Neil Peart, Bill Bruford, Steve Gadd, Mitch Mitchell - a solid case for all these and many others could be made but honestly - NOBODY raised the bar higher than Moon, he challenged himself and everyone else playing back then, his drumming turned ordinary songs into extraordinary ones ' "I can see for miles" an excellent example. Moon's creativity, IMO, was unmatched, his approach to the kit singularly unique and befuddling to those trying to learn his songs - Moon never played the same song exactly the same way, he was a true artist, an abstract drummer - really a jazz drummer in a pretty straightforward rock band. More than any other, I really believe Moon made the Who much better than any other drummer did for their band.
Bonham  
Dr. D : 3/5/2021 9:17 am : link
not taking anything away from him, but I saw a mini documentary fairly recently about the opening drum sound on When The Levee Breaks, which might be my favorite Zep song (a good cover of an old blues song).

It was Page, not Bonham, who came up with the idea and set up the drum kit in the middle of a foyer/stairway of an old house, among other things, that gave the drums a unique sound on that song.

I'm far from the biggest Zep fan, but wonder how much Page had to do with the drum sounds on other songs. Of course Bonham was the one with the sticks.
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x meadowlander : 3/5/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15167155 Producer said:
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let's not forget that there are heavy rumors that in fact it was McCartney who played some of the drums on the White Album and Abbey Road, the albums with the very best drumming on Beatles albums.
Just - stop. Anyone who has seen McCartney's drumming knows that it's vanilla. His excellence instrumentally was as a vocalist and he was a great bassist, very creative and pushed the envelope.

McCartney is a legend, but it isn't because of his drumming.

Ringo was the perfect drummer for the Beatles, he evolved through the British invasion to the point where his style became definitive, minimalist in a new and creative way - his drumming on "Ticket to Ride" is a fantastic example of how he made a simple pop song so much better, his fills on "A Day in the Life" another wonderful example. The Beatles simply wouldn't have been better with any other drummer.
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Dr. D : 3/5/2021 9:29 am : link
I'm a big Who fan, but I never knew Keith's middle name was Fekking.

Learn something new everyday ;)

Incidentally, I found out recently that I got married on the anniversary (24th) of Moon's death. So I've got that going for me.
RE: Bonham  
x meadowlander : 3/5/2021 9:35 am : link
In comment 15167435 Dr. D said:
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not taking anything away from him, but I saw a mini documentary fairly recently about the opening drum sound on When The Levee Breaks, which might be my favorite Zep song (a good cover of an old blues song).

It was Page, not Bonham, who came up with the idea and set up the drum kit in the middle of a foyer/stairway of an old house, among other things, that gave the drums a unique sound on that song.

I'm far from the biggest Zep fan, but wonder how much Page had to do with the drum sounds on other songs. Of course Bonham was the one with the sticks.
As I understand it, the drum part on "When the Levee Breaks" wound up as it did because Bonhams new drum kit was delivered while the band was already recording in that house - with nowhere to really put it, they set it up in the vestibule.

The rest is history.
RE: RE: Bonham  
Dr. D : 3/5/2021 9:40 am : link
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As I understand it, the drum part on "When the Levee Breaks" wound up as it did because Bonhams new drum kit was delivered while the band was already recording in that house - with nowhere to really put it, they set it up in the vestibule.

The rest is history.

That's not how they explained it in the doc. They gave the credit to Page, as if it was intentional, but who knows.
no mention of Michael Shrieve, fabulous drummer  
gtt350 : 3/5/2021 9:52 am : link
antone watch Santana at Woodstock, that's him
anyone.  
gtt350 : 3/5/2021 9:53 am : link
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RE: no mention of Michael Shrieve, fabulous drummer  
Section331 : 3/5/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15167465 gtt350 said:
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antone watch Santana at Woodstock, that's him


I mentioned him and his star turn at Woodstock. He still kicks ass 50 years later.
sorry i missed your post  
gtt350 : 3/5/2021 11:42 am : link
yep still going strong
Jan Axel Blomberg  
Nick in LA : 3/5/2021 12:09 pm : link
aka: Hellhammer

unbelievable metal drummer. Best I have ever seen.
RE: no mention of Michael Shrieve, fabulous drummer  
santacruzom : 3/5/2021 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15167465 gtt350 said:
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antone watch Santana at Woodstock, that's him


You're talking about this guy right?
Awesome Santana drum solo - ( New Window )
ummm NO!  
gtt350 : 3/5/2021 4:30 pm : link
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Neil Peart on Ginger Baker...  
CT Charlie : 3/5/2021 10:48 pm : link
[From Far Out Magazine]
Among the sixties clan, Peart has also picked out Cream’s iconic percussionist Ginger Baker as an unstoppable influence on his career. “His playing was revolutionary,” Peart told Rolling Stone in 2009, “extrovert, primal, and inventive. He set the bar for what rock drumming could be. I certainly emulated Ginger’s approaches to rhythm — his hard, flat, percussive sound was very innovative. Everyone who came after built on that foundation. Every rock drummer since has been influenced in some way by Ginger — even if they don’t know it.”

My pick is Mr. Baker.

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