a year and a half removed of them making the superbowl. He added players to that roster no doubt, but largely the previous' FO "roster".
Question for DG supporters.
If the giants don't call DG and offer him the GM job, would he be employed right now?
I'm not sure the answer is yes. I'd wager he would not be the GM of any franchise, but of course, theres no way of knowing. And yes i do think hiring him is an example of "the giants way". Someone in the family, who they know and is not "outside the box" thinking.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ok, the rational or excuses you keep providing is not resonating
These were free agent additions that were not beneficial to the team. And however you care to label them, for the most part a solution still does not exist at those positions two years later.
Unless you care to rethink this or put something compelling in the next post, I think we are done here.
The beats did not report anything misleading.
Yea, I'm definitely done since you've once again affirmed that you're dumber than a doorknob.
You just claimed that Tate outperformed his contract and then called someone else dumb?
Oof. Buy a book.
No where on this thread (or any thread for that matter) did I claim Tate outperformed his contract. Try again.
Are you fucking serious? Did you forget whether you were logged in as this handle or broadbandz?
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Golden played poorly? WTF are you talking about? He far outplayed his contract.
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I have no dups.
And 'Golden' is Markus Golden you dumb fuck.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ok, the rational or excuses you keep providing is not resonating
These were free agent additions that were not beneficial to the team. And however you care to label them, for the most part a solution still does not exist at those positions two years later.
Unless you care to rethink this or put something compelling in the next post, I think we are done here.
The beats did not report anything misleading.
Yea, I'm definitely done since you've once again affirmed that you're dumber than a doorknob.
You just claimed that Tate outperformed his contract and then called someone else dumb?
Oof. Buy a book.
No where on this thread (or any thread for that matter) did I claim Tate outperformed his contract. Try again.
Are you fucking serious? Did you forget whether you were logged in as this handle or broadbandz?
In comment 15166587 giants#1 said:
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Golden played poorly? WTF are you talking about? He far outplayed his contract.
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I have no dups.
And 'Golden' is Markus Golden you dumb fuck.
On a thread about Golden Tate, you might want to actually use some detail. But keep calling me a dumb fuck, that'll go well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ok, the rational or excuses you keep providing is not resonating
These were free agent additions that were not beneficial to the team. And however you care to label them, for the most part a solution still does not exist at those positions two years later.
Unless you care to rethink this or put something compelling in the next post, I think we are done here.
The beats did not report anything misleading.
Yea, I'm definitely done since you've once again affirmed that you're dumber than a doorknob.
You just claimed that Tate outperformed his contract and then called someone else dumb?
Oof. Buy a book.
No where on this thread (or any thread for that matter) did I claim Tate outperformed his contract. Try again.
Are you fucking serious? Did you forget whether you were logged in as this handle or broadbandz?
In comment 15166587 giants#1 said:
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Golden played poorly? WTF are you talking about? He far outplayed his contract.
Link - ( New Window )
I have no dups.
And 'Golden' is Markus Golden you dumb fuck.
On a thread about Golden Tate, you might want to actually use some detail. But keep calling me a dumb fuck, that'll go well.
But I acknowledge that I misread your post because it also referenced Tate later on. My apologies.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ok, the rational or excuses you keep providing is not resonating
No where on this thread (or any thread for that matter) did I claim Tate outperformed his contract. Try again.
No you didn't claim Golden Tate outperformed his deal. You suggested Markus Golden did. But no surprise your psycho-babble defense and excuses of Gettleman's awful 2019 free agent class with me earlier confused another poster.
Hell, I still don't why you stated Raanan/beats are misleading readers about the 2019 free agent signings in the below post. They were an oveall poor group that solved for nothing in terms of the team's rebuilding process and required solutions at four key starting positions.
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Jordan Raanan
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The 2019 free-agent class is now officially wiped out.
Golden Tate
Antoine Bethea
Markus Golden
Olsen Pierre
Mike Remmers
Not defending DG here, but this is why the Giants beats suck. What misleading garbage.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ok, the rational or excuses you keep providing is not resonating
On a thread about Golden Tate, you might want to actually use some detail. But keep calling me a dumb fuck, that'll go well.
Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to attack posters. Especially considering the post you referenced was clearly in response to another poster who literally wrote "Tate, Bethea, Golden"...
but I've often felt like the "Giants Way" is it's own thing separate from the two eras of winning they've had in my lifetime.
The "giants way" led to the Commissioner having to intervene in the operation of the team and installing an independent GM who saved the franchise.
They won under Parcells. When he was gone, so was the winning. They won under Coughlin. When he was gone, so was the winning. You might argue that management failed Coughlin and Eli and unintentionally helped make their later years worse.
Why is "the Giants Way" derogatory? Why is is separate? It is basically only invoked by one poster here. One who is more of a fan of Bill Parcells than he ever was of the Giants. One who once said the Giants could learn something by imitating the redskins.
To me, the Giants Way is a franchise who exemplifies being a flagship franchise of the league and one that has a rich history of winning and class.
When it is invoked differently, one has to wonder what the fuck people have learned from the team's history.
IMO "the Giant Way" has been mis-characterized (by Mara and Gettleman themselves) in that they seemed to focus on this idea that the Giants have always won PURELY because of class and "high character guys." It seemed to lead Mara and DG to believe that you could just cut/trade any player who had the slightest attitude problem, sign a bunch of boy scouts, then turn around and win a Super Bowl.
But IMO focusing on acquiring "high character guys" has not been the MAIN REASON the Giants have won SBs in the past (NOT saying it's not important to keep "class" and character in mind in acquiring players and coaches), but the real "Giant Way" to me and the reason we've won SBs is by being flat-out tougher, more intimidating, more physical than the other team. Smashmouth football: hard hitting defenders, rushing the passer, running the football well. To me: the best Giants' teams have been the ones that were flat out toughest, not even necessarily the "classiest". It wasn't so much about being a boy scout off the field (see: LT, the true face of the HISTORY of this franchise), but just by being mentally tougher and more physical than the other team. THAT I think is sort of where I've disagreed with Mara's and DG's understanding of "the Giant Way" i.e. the things this franchise has done best in the past to win rings.
IMO: Belichick brought "the Giant Way" (i.e. the Parcells way") to the Patriots. Those great Patriots' teams get a lot of credit for being "hard-working" and cerebral (and BB is indeed a genius), but BB's teams didn't get enough credit for the thing that often made them great in both their player acquisition and game scheme: the focus on being bigger than you, stronger than you, more physical than you, and that's often why teams would fold to the Patriots. The difference is that Coughlin brought the "Giant Way" BACK to the Giants and that was why the Giants were the ONE TEAM that wouldn't fold when they got punched in the mouth by the Patriots-- they would punch back.
Justin Tuck even talked about how tough and physical the practices were every single day under Coughlin. They'd practice these smashmouth inside-run plays all damn day to toughen up both the O-Line and D-Line and keep that hard-nosed mentality all season long. (IMO this is partially why injuries were sometimes bad under Coughlin's tenure, but when the team stayed healthy they were the toughest hardest-hitting team in the league. That's the "Giant Way" I want to get back to, not this made up concept that the great Giants teams have just always been made up of boy scouts, and never had any off-field issues or less-than-perfect personalities.
I think that's exactly why Judge has been a step in the right direction. I think he gets it. I don't think DG (and Mara) got it so much before Judge showed up.
a year and a half removed of them making the superbowl. He added players to that roster no doubt, but largely the previous' FO "roster".
Question for DG supporters.
If the giants don't call DG and offer him the GM job, would he be employed right now?
I'm not sure the answer is yes. I'd wager he would not be the GM of any franchise, but of course, theres no way of knowing. And yes i do think hiring him is an example of "the giants way". Someone in the family, who they know and is not "outside the box" thinking.
Remember - Gettleman got fired after Carolina went 11-5. That Carolina team was a mess with Richardson and Gettleman wearing on people. And he was 67, so it was very likely there was no demand for his GM services. Despite how he raves about his resume, Gettleman wasn't being confused with Bill Polian or Ozzie Newsome.
But the real problem with his hire was Mara's fake search when he brought in Accorsi. Anyone with an IQ over 80 instantly new the outcome was going to be Gettleman. And Accorsi basically admitted this on a podcast last summer.
So instead of going with a candidate with no ties to the organization - younger, understands today's game, more technical, etc - Mara reverts to form and chooses the safety of the box over something new and different. And three years later we are 15-33 and are being led by a GM who still thinks running the ball is the key to success...
RE: That's fine djm, agree with these basic sentiments.
Just your earlier post clearly was describing nothing other than a traditional "excuse" for Gettleman. And kind of weak one at that with some unknowns as to its basis.
Look forward to hearing DG and Judge kill it next week with their press conference!
Tate was trash I can't really defend it. Hard to like. I thought he'd do better here as he always struck me as a tough gamer at WR. I'd rather pick another dud of a FA to defend than this one...
was fired because he was told that he couldn't explore opportunities to move/cut Thomas Davis or Greg Olsen. He was fired by an owner who had gone off the rails and eventually had his team stripped from him, and before he left, he put the former head of the cheerleaders in place as the President.
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
was fired because he was told that he couldn't explore opportunities to move/cut Thomas Davis or Greg Olsen. He was fired by an owner who had gone off the rails and eventually had his team stripped from him, and before he left, he put the former head of the cheerleaders in place as the President.
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
was fired because he was told that he couldn't explore opportunities to move/cut Thomas Davis or Greg Olsen. He was fired by an owner who had gone off the rails and eventually had his team stripped from him, and before he left, he put the former head of the cheerleaders in place as the President.
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
Exactly who said otherwise regarding Gettleman's dismissal?
was fired because he was told that he couldn't explore opportunities to move/cut Thomas Davis or Greg Olsen. He was fired by an owner who had gone off the rails and eventually had his team stripped from him, and before he left, he put the former head of the cheerleaders in place as the President.
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
A narrative? Lol. This is why i stay off the message board, every issue becomes a two party system and string your opinion and fairly obvious things makes you “pushing a narrative”. We’re having a conversation on an Internet forum, I’m not pushing a narrative. I stated fairly obvious things.
I remember reading that Olson was the last straw that broke the camels back but let’s not pretend It wasn’t an accumulation of things that led to his firing.. You simply can’t say that with a straight face.
And again, is DG a GM of a franchise if the giants don’t give him the job in 2018?
was fired because he was told that he couldn't explore opportunities to move/cut Thomas Davis or Greg Olsen. He was fired by an owner who had gone off the rails and eventually had his team stripped from him, and before he left, he put the former head of the cheerleaders in place as the President.
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
Exactly who said otherwise regarding Gettleman's dismissal?
The pivot to a meaningless point and escape. Common tactic...
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
They're not wrong. You do pull the eject hatch and bail whenever you're on the ropes. You still haven't responded to being shown where you claimed the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics (even though you were really confident that you hadn't made any reference to analytics), just like you conspicuously disappeared from the board entirely after the 49ers game this past season.
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
They're not wrong. You do pull the eject hatch and bail whenever you're on the ropes. You still haven't responded to being shown where you claimed the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics (even though you were really confident that you hadn't made any reference to analytics), just like you conspicuously disappeared from the board entirely after the 49ers game this past season.
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
I disappeared from the board?? That's news to me. Just like you posting today "You're back" to me. I didn't leave. And yet - I'm the one accused of creating false points or not having consistency in arguments.
But then again - it's all nonsense anyway. Dunk - if you were a model of consistency in argumentation, you wouldn't start calling some people dupes on this very thread while supporting posts by a previously banned poster who spent an entire year under a dupe handle, only to return with the same exact schtick recently.
Hopefully when I pull the eject lever, I don't break through your glass house there, Champ.
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
They're not wrong. You do pull the eject hatch and bail whenever you're on the ropes. You still haven't responded to being shown where you claimed the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics (even though you were really confident that you hadn't made any reference to analytics), just like you conspicuously disappeared from the board entirely after the 49ers game this past season.
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
The analytics-thing on Wentz was pretty funny...he walked right into that one.
That Wentz thread was also the one where fmic mocked a few posters and showed everyone that the KC Chiefs were foolish in giving $400M+ of guaranteed dollars to Mahomes. A few of us pointed out how that actually wasn't correct, but yet another escape...
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
They're not wrong. You do pull the eject hatch and bail whenever you're on the ropes. You still haven't responded to being shown where you claimed the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics (even though you were really confident that you hadn't made any reference to analytics), just like you conspicuously disappeared from the board entirely after the 49ers game this past season.
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
I disappeared from the board?? That's news to me. Just like you posting today "You're back" to me. I didn't leave. And yet - I'm the one accused of creating false points or not having consistency in arguments.
But then again - it's all nonsense anyway. Dunk - if you were a model of consistency in argumentation, you wouldn't start calling some people dupes on this very thread while supporting posts by a previously banned poster who spent an entire year under a dupe handle, only to return with the same exact schtick recently.
Hopefully when I pull the eject lever, I don't break through your glass house there, Champ.
So you're giving me shit for someone else supposedly being a dupe? That's an interesting sidestep on the Wentz thing.
People falling all over themselves to talk about what a good guy he was, with little talk of how he did at his actual job. By any reasonable measure, as a statistician he did not perform well at his job the last 8 or so years. I am sure there was a time he was good, but that time had passed.
Lots of talk in the meadowlands of how “smart” and “good” people are. How much thought is placed in the idea that you can be very smart and particularly good and still be bad at certain roles or tasks? That the skills and knowledge you need to do jobs well is fast evolving. That few organizations succeed anymore without commitments to a core purpose and commitment to trying new ideas and evolving to work towards a shared vision over adherence to function. I read Built to Last recently, the #1 book on the reading list of Jeff Bezos.
Leaves me wondering, what is the core purpose of the leadership of the Giants? When the brother of the owner keeps his position despite very little evidence he’s good at his job, does it seem like the core purpose is winning football?
How good of a person are you when you accept money and faith and trust and run an organization that takes in billions of dollars to put a good football product on the field and it seems like your preference is to employ your relatives and friends instead of an honest evaluation of who the best people are for the jobs? This is the exact kind of behavior that CEOs are removed for in the corporate world.
To save some people the time. I am not calling myself a “good” person. I am not saying the Giants owners must be “good” people. I am tired of everyone patting each other on the back and calling themselves good people, John Mara’s yearly “let me throw platitudes about how much I care” speech when as a loyal fan who has put a lot of money into the team, I feel disregarded and disrespected. And I know I am not the only one.
People falling all over themselves to talk about what a good guy he was, with little talk of how he did at his actual job. By any reasonable measure, as a statistician he did not perform well at his job the last 8 or so years. I am sure there was a time he was good, but that time had passed.
Lots of talk in the meadowlands of how “smart” and “good” people are. How much thought is placed in the idea that you can be very smart and particularly good and still be bad at certain roles or tasks? That the skills and knowledge you need to do jobs well is fast evolving. That few organizations succeed anymore without commitments to a core purpose and commitment to trying new ideas and evolving to work towards a shared vision over adherence to function. I read Built to Last recently, the #1 book on the reading list of Jeff Bezos.
Leaves me wondering, what is the core purpose of the leadership of the Giants? When the brother of the owner keeps his position despite very little evidence he’s good at his job, does it seem like the core purpose is winning football?
How good of a person are you when you accept money and faith and trust and run an organization that takes in billions of dollars to put a good football product on the field and it seems like your preference is to employ your relatives and friends instead of an honest evaluation of who the best people are for the jobs? This is the exact kind of behavior that CEOs are removed for in the corporate world.
To save some people the time. I am not calling myself a “good” person. I am not saying the Giants owners must be “good” people. I am tired of everyone patting each other on the back and calling themselves good people, John Mara’s yearly “let me throw platitudes about how much I care” speech when as a loyal fan who has put a lot of money into the team, I feel disregarded and disrespected. And I know I am not the only one.
The product is the means to that end. Any company can (or strive to) make a better product if making money weren't an issue.
Within the confines of football, where a lot of the money is guaranteed, there is still money that is on the table to be earned, and winning football is how to get it.
I seriously doubt the Maras/Tisches are sitting back saying "ah, this is the life. Money for nothing and chicks for free". Their acumen in actually achieving winning football, though, is a valid question.
Chris Mara is an enigma. The masses don't know what his actual role is. A figure head? A key position such as the title suggests? The results with him in the fold certainly make one wonder how he keeps his job if it is the latter. The question comes up often enough, and we have enough asshatry around here, I'm surprised we haven't heard a hint what his role is.
thread was enlightening in many ways some of you completely missed.
A well respected member of the team leaves and people who know very little about him, his role, or his impact took potshots.
And that's become acceptable here. Because the team is losing some take the slant that everyone involved sucks and needs to go. Or worse, some fancy themselves as experts and don't have a fucking clue as to what the team is doing on certain fronts.
Not knowing what Berger did here is a perfect example of that.
thread was enlightening in many ways some of you completely missed.
A well respected member of the team leaves and people who know very little about him, his role, or his impact took potshots.
And that's become acceptable here. Because the team is losing some take the slant that everyone involved sucks and needs to go. Or worse, some fancy themselves as experts and don't have a fucking clue as to what the team is doing on certain fronts.
Not knowing what Berger did here is a perfect example of that.
And yet some still bask in their ignorance.
Pass me the Kleenex.
We are criticizing people who are paid a substantial amount of money - generated by the most popular sport in America; and thanks to the people who watch, attend it, listen to it, read about it, etc - to put together a good product. And for too long they have been poor at their jobs.
For a guy who obviously prides himself on his bully status, your bleeding heart here is very unbecoming.
despite committing slander against me and threatening me...
I guess the new tactic I will try is to just respond to you with far more respect than you deserve given your reprehensible behavior on this website and you directly threatening me.
DG readily admitted last season that he's made mistakes when it comes to modernizing the team when he talked about hiring "computer folks" last offseason. Article linked below:
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I’m going to learn from my mistakes. I never stop asking myself the question: ‘What could we have done differently? What could we have done better?’ That question never stops getting asked,” he said. “I always ask that question. We evaluate, we reevaluate, we go backwards and forwards with it. And that’s what I’ve got to do. I’ve got to talk to other GMs, inside and outside the industry, and continue to grow.
I've been very consistent from the start in pointing out specific instances where the Giants have been clearly deficient in their analytical abilities. My personal credentials and the lack of real computer science, advanced math and software development experience in the named positions in the Giants front office only came up because of your dogged pursuit to personally discredit me and anything I say.
Let's be specific. Jon Berger had a lot of contact with the coaches. One of the things I pointed out was how bad the Giants timeout usage was which are relatively simple mathematical calculations to get right. That's how all this started.
This linked article also talks about Saquon Barkley who DG consistently doubled down on calling an outlier. I've pointed out before and I will again, nothing about Saquon mathematically makes him an outlier. An outlier is a point of data far out of the existing distributions of data to such an extent they are often thrown out in machine learning analysis. Nothing about Saquon's draft profile or NFL profile makes him an outlier. Me and a lot of others question what kind of good statistical analysis could have gone into a pick like that.
You are the king of making "points" with flimsy evidence or thinking you've made points when you haven't. Sure, there can be successful people in an unsuccessful organization. Please enlighten us as to what systems the Giants have in place that Jon Berger contributed to that are working for them right now? I'd love to learn about them.
Before you come back at me with your usual venom and hatred. I'd consider how far your standing has fallen in this community. I am actually genuinely concerned that you could act in ways towards me that cause a lot of collateral damage if your standing continues to fall. For my own safety I've informed more people in the BBI community off the board of what happened on the thread where you threatened to reveal my identity. Giants GM once mocked analytics. Now he declares team has hired ‘four computer folks.’ - ( New Window )
Hopefully Berger helped the Giants during his time with the club and was a good guy.
You on the other hand are just continue to show this site what a chucklehead you are.
Like I said yesterday, your posts are basically just comic relief these days for many of us...
They'd be funnier if it wasn't also so out of touch. Not sure how many women would be comfortable with the phrase "cuntery." The irony certainly isn't lost that someone who finds themselves so often trying to be the the protector of truth on something like organizational modernization would act like such a dinosaur
The product is the means to that end. Any company can (or strive to) make a better product if making money weren't an issue.
Within the confines of football, where a lot of the money is guaranteed, there is still money that is on the table to be earned, and winning football is how to get it.
I seriously doubt the Maras/Tisches are sitting back saying "ah, this is the life. Money for nothing and chicks for free". Their acumen in actually achieving winning football, though, is a valid question.
Chris Mara is an enigma. The masses don't know what his actual role is. A figure head? A key position such as the title suggests? The results with him in the fold certainly make one wonder how he keeps his job if it is the latter. The question comes up often enough, and we have enough asshatry around here, I'm surprised we haven't heard a hint what his role is.
So the book, written by some pretty smart Stanford business school professors points out that it is actually essentially to have part of your ideology to be specifically why do you exist other than making money. It's a longitudinal study of successful businesses and they found that part to be an important part of what makes cultures of success happen.
I'd say perhaps some good core ideologies from the Giants could be:
Bringing joy to their fans
Proudly representing the New York community
This is what I would say is within the general vibe of how John Mara talks.
Regardless, short of an ideology that would represent well how the company wanted to operate internally and represent itself I'd say that something like nepotism really rots a culture regardless of how powerful someone is.
If the owners brother is watching your every move, how easy is it to challenge that person? How easy is it to present a scouting report that you think he might disagree with?
Absent of a more broad cultural ideology, I'd say that cultures of winning tend to be kind of the fallback in the NFL and I think there are many organizations that function as if their cultures are far better than the Giants. Regardless of these teams talk about their cultures, the results speak well for them.
I think the way the Giants conduct themselves it would be hard to feel like winning was their #1 priority. And all their talk of how much culture matters kind of falls short if you run a GM search the way they did. And while I will readily admit I don't know anything about how people inside the building feel, I think generally when organizations perform poorly and there isn't real change in the upper management morale declines sometimes exponentially. Maybe not in overt ways but certainly in the quality of work people can put forth Additional info on Built to Last and Vision Framework - ( New Window )
Hopefully Berger helped the Giants during his time with the club and was a good guy.
You on the other hand are just continue to show this site what a chucklehead you are.
Like I said yesterday, your posts are basically just comic relief these days for many of us...
They'd be funnier if it wasn't also so out of touch. Not sure how many women would be comfortable with the phrase "cuntery." The irony certainly isn't lost that someone who finds themselves so often trying to be the the protector of truth on something like organizational modernization would act like such a dinosaur
Are you now violating the very terms you've cried to Eric about at least TWICE now??
For the record - you have threatened legal action twice now. You've threatened slander twice now. ON A FUCKING USERNAME!!!
Seems like when challenged your recourse has now been to threaten to sue the site, but you don't even know what constitutes slander. You might want to brush up on legalities there Ace before giving other lectures.
A supposed grown man has gone to the site owner TWICE now. Call it what you want, but cuntery seems to fit well.
for popcorn. He who shall not be addressed because he has a relative who is a lawyer on speed dial can just avoid addressing me since he's tried to initiate legal action twice for me to do the same.
I'm not going to tweak the nose of the fucking clown
I believe it's you who consistently violates the terms
I'm just trying new ways to get you to act like a real adult person. But I guess my hopes are too high.
Of course you didn't respond to any of the points I made or the fact that you absolutely threatened to reveal my identity. That seems a lot more real than this "username" stuff you are harping about.
Regardless you can feel free to flail around like a mentally deranged person. I'm over being upset by you in any way. Which one of us on this thread seems like they need to be moderated do you feel?
Lol at you ALWAYS responding to me even when I ignore you then pretending that you are above it.
Also odd that you would joke about a lawyer that is close to me who reads the site (my father by the way) thinking that you crossed a line. I ignored your first lawyer joke potshot on the BBI mock draft thread. But hey, who would ever expect you to drop anything? I'm sure my Dad looks forward to you drinking your beer and snarfling as you joke about threatening to reveal his sons identity on an internet message board.
you act like this is about me but here is the first time I emailed the moderators about you, word for word no edits.
May 21, 2019
Subject: NoGainDayne - Can you please ask FatMan to stop interacting with me?
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I want to participate in productive and healthy debates about things but our relationship on the site has become unhealthy. I don't think he actually wants to make any points just insult me and derail conversations. I do not want to engage with him anymore and I'll ask that you ask him to do the same.
This thread he's made it pretty clear that he pretty much just wants to try to get under my skin. I'm hard pressed to even post on a thread without him aggressively coming after me. I've gone as far as posting a full analysis architecture that I considered to be quite valuable as it relates to my expertise to try to satiate his desire to undermine my credibility and try to show him that I'm not just talking out of my ass but it is pretty clear that he doesn't want to have any kind of healthy debate.
Thanks in advance for your consideration.
Out of respect for the privacy of the mods I will not share the response but needless to say he continued to attack me for years after this. I think this is an important data point in this victim mentality he's representing here. I tried, for the benefit of the community to pull out of this back and forth and he had just zero interest in that. Then he whines about me responding to him coming after me AGAIN. Unbelievable.
for popcorn. He who shall not be addressed because he has a relative who is a lawyer on speed dial can just avoid addressing me since he's tried to initiate legal action twice for me to do the same.
I'm not going to tweak the nose of the fucking clown
I guess only one of us can interact with a suspected dupe while calling out another, huh?
To be clear, I was not suggesting that NGD is a dupe.
Question for DG supporters.
If the giants don't call DG and offer him the GM job, would he be employed right now?
I'm not sure the answer is yes. I'd wager he would not be the GM of any franchise, but of course, theres no way of knowing. And yes i do think hiring him is an example of "the giants way". Someone in the family, who they know and is not "outside the box" thinking.
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These were free agent additions that were not beneficial to the team. And however you care to label them, for the most part a solution still does not exist at those positions two years later.
Unless you care to rethink this or put something compelling in the next post, I think we are done here.
The beats did not report anything misleading.
Yea, I'm definitely done since you've once again affirmed that you're dumber than a doorknob.
You just claimed that Tate outperformed his contract and then called someone else dumb?
Oof. Buy a book.
No where on this thread (or any thread for that matter) did I claim Tate outperformed his contract. Try again.
Are you fucking serious? Did you forget whether you were logged in as this handle or broadbandz?
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Golden played poorly? WTF are you talking about? He far outplayed his contract.
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I have no dups.
And 'Golden' is Markus Golden you dumb fuck.
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These were free agent additions that were not beneficial to the team. And however you care to label them, for the most part a solution still does not exist at those positions two years later.
Unless you care to rethink this or put something compelling in the next post, I think we are done here.
The beats did not report anything misleading.
Yea, I'm definitely done since you've once again affirmed that you're dumber than a doorknob.
You just claimed that Tate outperformed his contract and then called someone else dumb?
Oof. Buy a book.
No where on this thread (or any thread for that matter) did I claim Tate outperformed his contract. Try again.
Are you fucking serious? Did you forget whether you were logged in as this handle or broadbandz?
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Golden played poorly? WTF are you talking about? He far outplayed his contract.
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I have no dups.
And 'Golden' is Markus Golden you dumb fuck.
On a thread about Golden Tate, you might want to actually use some detail. But keep calling me a dumb fuck, that'll go well.
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These were free agent additions that were not beneficial to the team. And however you care to label them, for the most part a solution still does not exist at those positions two years later.
Unless you care to rethink this or put something compelling in the next post, I think we are done here.
The beats did not report anything misleading.
Yea, I'm definitely done since you've once again affirmed that you're dumber than a doorknob.
You just claimed that Tate outperformed his contract and then called someone else dumb?
Oof. Buy a book.
No where on this thread (or any thread for that matter) did I claim Tate outperformed his contract. Try again.
Are you fucking serious? Did you forget whether you were logged in as this handle or broadbandz?
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Golden played poorly? WTF are you talking about? He far outplayed his contract.
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I have no dups.
And 'Golden' is Markus Golden you dumb fuck.
On a thread about Golden Tate, you might want to actually use some detail. But keep calling me a dumb fuck, that'll go well.
But I acknowledge that I misread your post because it also referenced Tate later on. My apologies.
No where on this thread (or any thread for that matter) did I claim Tate outperformed his contract. Try again.
No you didn't claim Golden Tate outperformed his deal. You suggested Markus Golden did. But no surprise your psycho-babble defense and excuses of Gettleman's awful 2019 free agent class with me earlier confused another poster.
Hell, I still don't why you stated Raanan/beats are misleading readers about the 2019 free agent signings in the below post. They were an oveall poor group that solved for nothing in terms of the team's rebuilding process and required solutions at four key starting positions.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
The 2019 free-agent class is now officially wiped out.
Golden Tate
Antoine Bethea
Markus Golden
Olsen Pierre
Mike Remmers
Not defending DG here, but this is why the Giants beats suck. What misleading garbage.
On a thread about Golden Tate, you might want to actually use some detail. But keep calling me a dumb fuck, that'll go well.
Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to attack posters. Especially considering the post you referenced was clearly in response to another poster who literally wrote "Tate, Bethea, Golden"...
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but I've often felt like the "Giants Way" is it's own thing separate from the two eras of winning they've had in my lifetime.
The "giants way" led to the Commissioner having to intervene in the operation of the team and installing an independent GM who saved the franchise.
They won under Parcells. When he was gone, so was the winning. They won under Coughlin. When he was gone, so was the winning. You might argue that management failed Coughlin and Eli and unintentionally helped make their later years worse.
Why is "the Giants Way" derogatory? Why is is separate? It is basically only invoked by one poster here. One who is more of a fan of Bill Parcells than he ever was of the Giants. One who once said the Giants could learn something by imitating the redskins.
To me, the Giants Way is a franchise who exemplifies being a flagship franchise of the league and one that has a rich history of winning and class.
When it is invoked differently, one has to wonder what the fuck people have learned from the team's history.
IMO "the Giant Way" has been mis-characterized (by Mara and Gettleman themselves) in that they seemed to focus on this idea that the Giants have always won PURELY because of class and "high character guys." It seemed to lead Mara and DG to believe that you could just cut/trade any player who had the slightest attitude problem, sign a bunch of boy scouts, then turn around and win a Super Bowl.
But IMO focusing on acquiring "high character guys" has not been the MAIN REASON the Giants have won SBs in the past (NOT saying it's not important to keep "class" and character in mind in acquiring players and coaches), but the real "Giant Way" to me and the reason we've won SBs is by being flat-out tougher, more intimidating, more physical than the other team. Smashmouth football: hard hitting defenders, rushing the passer, running the football well. To me: the best Giants' teams have been the ones that were flat out toughest, not even necessarily the "classiest". It wasn't so much about being a boy scout off the field (see: LT, the true face of the HISTORY of this franchise), but just by being mentally tougher and more physical than the other team. THAT I think is sort of where I've disagreed with Mara's and DG's understanding of "the Giant Way" i.e. the things this franchise has done best in the past to win rings.
IMO: Belichick brought "the Giant Way" (i.e. the Parcells way") to the Patriots. Those great Patriots' teams get a lot of credit for being "hard-working" and cerebral (and BB is indeed a genius), but BB's teams didn't get enough credit for the thing that often made them great in both their player acquisition and game scheme: the focus on being bigger than you, stronger than you, more physical than you, and that's often why teams would fold to the Patriots. The difference is that Coughlin brought the "Giant Way" BACK to the Giants and that was why the Giants were the ONE TEAM that wouldn't fold when they got punched in the mouth by the Patriots-- they would punch back.
Justin Tuck even talked about how tough and physical the practices were every single day under Coughlin. They'd practice these smashmouth inside-run plays all damn day to toughen up both the O-Line and D-Line and keep that hard-nosed mentality all season long. (IMO this is partially why injuries were sometimes bad under Coughlin's tenure, but when the team stayed healthy they were the toughest hardest-hitting team in the league. That's the "Giant Way" I want to get back to, not this made up concept that the great Giants teams have just always been made up of boy scouts, and never had any off-field issues or less-than-perfect personalities.
Question for DG supporters.
If the giants don't call DG and offer him the GM job, would he be employed right now?
I'm not sure the answer is yes. I'd wager he would not be the GM of any franchise, but of course, theres no way of knowing. And yes i do think hiring him is an example of "the giants way". Someone in the family, who they know and is not "outside the box" thinking.
Remember - Gettleman got fired after Carolina went 11-5. That Carolina team was a mess with Richardson and Gettleman wearing on people. And he was 67, so it was very likely there was no demand for his GM services. Despite how he raves about his resume, Gettleman wasn't being confused with Bill Polian or Ozzie Newsome.
But the real problem with his hire was Mara's fake search when he brought in Accorsi. Anyone with an IQ over 80 instantly new the outcome was going to be Gettleman. And Accorsi basically admitted this on a podcast last summer.
So instead of going with a candidate with no ties to the organization - younger, understands today's game, more technical, etc - Mara reverts to form and chooses the safety of the box over something new and different. And three years later we are 15-33 and are being led by a GM who still thinks running the ball is the key to success...
Look forward to hearing DG and Judge kill it next week with their press conference!
Tate was trash I can't really defend it. Hard to like. I thought he'd do better here as he always struck me as a tough gamer at WR. I'd rather pick another dud of a FA to defend than this one...
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
Thank you.
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
Exactly who said otherwise regarding Gettleman's dismissal?
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
A narrative? Lol. This is why i stay off the message board, every issue becomes a two party system and string your opinion and fairly obvious things makes you “pushing a narrative”. We’re having a conversation on an Internet forum, I’m not pushing a narrative. I stated fairly obvious things.
I remember reading that Olson was the last straw that broke the camels back but let’s not pretend It wasn’t an accumulation of things that led to his firing.. You simply can’t say that with a straight face.
And again, is DG a GM of a franchise if the giants don’t give him the job in 2018?
Before i sign off, always a pleasure having an articulate conversation on BBI!
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was fired because he was told that he couldn't explore opportunities to move/cut Thomas Davis or Greg Olsen. He was fired by an owner who had gone off the rails and eventually had his team stripped from him, and before he left, he put the former head of the cheerleaders in place as the President.
He wasn't fired for cause, but not surprisingly, this point has to be made over and over again to posters who already know that but continue to peddle a narrative to push their agenda.
Exactly who said otherwise regarding Gettleman's dismissal?
The pivot to a meaningless point and escape. Common tactic...
That is one of FMiC's tactics...
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
That is one of FMiC's tactics...
Yeah, he has a few. 20 years experience on this fan site being a prick doesn't come without learning where the escape hatches are...
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
They're not wrong. You do pull the eject hatch and bail whenever you're on the ropes. You still haven't responded to being shown where you claimed the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics (even though you were really confident that you hadn't made any reference to analytics), just like you conspicuously disappeared from the board entirely after the 49ers game this past season.
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
I actually said Gettleman was"...wearing on people".
In fact, your hometown paper, The Charlotte Observer", actually wrote those words...
But let me guess - the writer has a "narrative" to pitch, an agenda against Gettleman, doesn't have inside sources like you, etc.
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You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
Well played, GD. Well played.
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my tactic??
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
They're not wrong. You do pull the eject hatch and bail whenever you're on the ropes. You still haven't responded to being shown where you claimed the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics (even though you were really confident that you hadn't made any reference to analytics), just like you conspicuously disappeared from the board entirely after the 49ers game this past season.
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
I disappeared from the board?? That's news to me. Just like you posting today "You're back" to me. I didn't leave. And yet - I'm the one accused of creating false points or not having consistency in arguments.
But then again - it's all nonsense anyway. Dunk - if you were a model of consistency in argumentation, you wouldn't start calling some people dupes on this very thread while supporting posts by a previously banned poster who spent an entire year under a dupe handle, only to return with the same exact schtick recently.
Hopefully when I pull the eject lever, I don't break through your glass house there, Champ.
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my tactic??
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
They're not wrong. You do pull the eject hatch and bail whenever you're on the ropes. You still haven't responded to being shown where you claimed the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics (even though you were really confident that you hadn't made any reference to analytics), just like you conspicuously disappeared from the board entirely after the 49ers game this past season.
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
The analytics-thing on Wentz was pretty funny...he walked right into that one.
That Wentz thread was also the one where fmic mocked a few posters and showed everyone that the KC Chiefs were foolish in giving $400M+ of guaranteed dollars to Mahomes. A few of us pointed out how that actually wasn't correct, but yet another escape...
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my tactic??
You are the one who mentioned he was fired coming off an 11-5 season because people "tired of him".
Exactly what did I pivot to? It was a response to a point that wasn't even pertinent, and it wasn't correct either.
They're not wrong. You do pull the eject hatch and bail whenever you're on the ropes. You still haven't responded to being shown where you claimed the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics (even though you were really confident that you hadn't made any reference to analytics), just like you conspicuously disappeared from the board entirely after the 49ers game this past season.
You're basically the message board equivalent of a running game - useful when you're ahead, nonexistent when you're behind. Maybe that's why you like DG so much - you have the same antiquated approach!
I disappeared from the board?? That's news to me. Just like you posting today "You're back" to me. I didn't leave. And yet - I'm the one accused of creating false points or not having consistency in arguments.
But then again - it's all nonsense anyway. Dunk - if you were a model of consistency in argumentation, you wouldn't start calling some people dupes on this very thread while supporting posts by a previously banned poster who spent an entire year under a dupe handle, only to return with the same exact schtick recently.
Hopefully when I pull the eject lever, I don't break through your glass house there, Champ.
So you're giving me shit for someone else supposedly being a dupe? That's an interesting sidestep on the Wentz thing.
Still sidestepping. I hope Jon Berger can contain his tasty suds.
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2020 9:18 pm : link
where I've defended Gettleman
Please see, thread.
People falling all over themselves to talk about what a good guy he was, with little talk of how he did at his actual job. By any reasonable measure, as a statistician he did not perform well at his job the last 8 or so years. I am sure there was a time he was good, but that time had passed.
Lots of talk in the meadowlands of how “smart” and “good” people are. How much thought is placed in the idea that you can be very smart and particularly good and still be bad at certain roles or tasks? That the skills and knowledge you need to do jobs well is fast evolving. That few organizations succeed anymore without commitments to a core purpose and commitment to trying new ideas and evolving to work towards a shared vision over adherence to function. I read Built to Last recently, the #1 book on the reading list of Jeff Bezos.
Leaves me wondering, what is the core purpose of the leadership of the Giants? When the brother of the owner keeps his position despite very little evidence he’s good at his job, does it seem like the core purpose is winning football?
How good of a person are you when you accept money and faith and trust and run an organization that takes in billions of dollars to put a good football product on the field and it seems like your preference is to employ your relatives and friends instead of an honest evaluation of who the best people are for the jobs? This is the exact kind of behavior that CEOs are removed for in the corporate world.
To save some people the time. I am not calling myself a “good” person. I am not saying the Giants owners must be “good” people. I am tired of everyone patting each other on the back and calling themselves good people, John Mara’s yearly “let me throw platitudes about how much I care” speech when as a loyal fan who has put a lot of money into the team, I feel disregarded and disrespected. And I know I am not the only one.
People falling all over themselves to talk about what a good guy he was, with little talk of how he did at his actual job. By any reasonable measure, as a statistician he did not perform well at his job the last 8 or so years. I am sure there was a time he was good, but that time had passed.
Lots of talk in the meadowlands of how “smart” and “good” people are. How much thought is placed in the idea that you can be very smart and particularly good and still be bad at certain roles or tasks? That the skills and knowledge you need to do jobs well is fast evolving. That few organizations succeed anymore without commitments to a core purpose and commitment to trying new ideas and evolving to work towards a shared vision over adherence to function. I read Built to Last recently, the #1 book on the reading list of Jeff Bezos.
Leaves me wondering, what is the core purpose of the leadership of the Giants? When the brother of the owner keeps his position despite very little evidence he’s good at his job, does it seem like the core purpose is winning football?
How good of a person are you when you accept money and faith and trust and run an organization that takes in billions of dollars to put a good football product on the field and it seems like your preference is to employ your relatives and friends instead of an honest evaluation of who the best people are for the jobs? This is the exact kind of behavior that CEOs are removed for in the corporate world.
To save some people the time. I am not calling myself a “good” person. I am not saying the Giants owners must be “good” people. I am tired of everyone patting each other on the back and calling themselves good people, John Mara’s yearly “let me throw platitudes about how much I care” speech when as a loyal fan who has put a lot of money into the team, I feel disregarded and disrespected. And I know I am not the only one.
Well said.
The product is the means to that end. Any company can (or strive to) make a better product if making money weren't an issue.
Within the confines of football, where a lot of the money is guaranteed, there is still money that is on the table to be earned, and winning football is how to get it.
I seriously doubt the Maras/Tisches are sitting back saying "ah, this is the life. Money for nothing and chicks for free". Their acumen in actually achieving winning football, though, is a valid question.
Chris Mara is an enigma. The masses don't know what his actual role is. A figure head? A key position such as the title suggests? The results with him in the fold certainly make one wonder how he keeps his job if it is the latter. The question comes up often enough, and we have enough asshatry around here, I'm surprised we haven't heard a hint what his role is.
A well respected member of the team leaves and people who know very little about him, his role, or his impact took potshots.
And that's become acceptable here. Because the team is losing some take the slant that everyone involved sucks and needs to go. Or worse, some fancy themselves as experts and don't have a fucking clue as to what the team is doing on certain fronts.
Not knowing what Berger did here is a perfect example of that.
And yet some still bask in their ignorance.
A well respected member of the team leaves and people who know very little about him, his role, or his impact took potshots.
And that's become acceptable here. Because the team is losing some take the slant that everyone involved sucks and needs to go. Or worse, some fancy themselves as experts and don't have a fucking clue as to what the team is doing on certain fronts.
Not knowing what Berger did here is a perfect example of that.
And yet some still bask in their ignorance.
Pass me the Kleenex.
We are criticizing people who are paid a substantial amount of money - generated by the most popular sport in America; and thanks to the people who watch, attend it, listen to it, read about it, etc - to put together a good product. And for too long they have been poor at their jobs.
For a guy who obviously prides himself on his bully status, your bleeding heart here is very unbecoming.
You have no fucking clue as to the competence of Jon Berger. You don't know what he's done, what impact he has or even how he's been evaluated.
But you have no problem coming on a website and ripping the guy.
I'm guessing you need the Kleenex to jerkoff into more than anything else.
I guess the new tactic I will try is to just respond to you with far more respect than you deserve given your reprehensible behavior on this website and you directly threatening me.
DG readily admitted last season that he's made mistakes when it comes to modernizing the team when he talked about hiring "computer folks" last offseason. Article linked below:
I've been very consistent from the start in pointing out specific instances where the Giants have been clearly deficient in their analytical abilities. My personal credentials and the lack of real computer science, advanced math and software development experience in the named positions in the Giants front office only came up because of your dogged pursuit to personally discredit me and anything I say.
Let's be specific. Jon Berger had a lot of contact with the coaches. One of the things I pointed out was how bad the Giants timeout usage was which are relatively simple mathematical calculations to get right. That's how all this started.
This linked article also talks about Saquon Barkley who DG consistently doubled down on calling an outlier. I've pointed out before and I will again, nothing about Saquon mathematically makes him an outlier. An outlier is a point of data far out of the existing distributions of data to such an extent they are often thrown out in machine learning analysis. Nothing about Saquon's draft profile or NFL profile makes him an outlier. Me and a lot of others question what kind of good statistical analysis could have gone into a pick like that.
You are the king of making "points" with flimsy evidence or thinking you've made points when you haven't. Sure, there can be successful people in an unsuccessful organization. Please enlighten us as to what systems the Giants have in place that Jon Berger contributed to that are working for them right now? I'd love to learn about them.
Before you come back at me with your usual venom and hatred. I'd consider how far your standing has fallen in this community. I am actually genuinely concerned that you could act in ways towards me that cause a lot of collateral damage if your standing continues to fall. For my own safety I've informed more people in the BBI community off the board of what happened on the thread where you threatened to reveal my identity.
Giants GM once mocked analytics. Now he declares team has hired ‘four computer folks.’ - ( New Window )
You have no fucking clue as to the competence of Jon Berger. You don't know what he's done, what impact he has or even how he's been evaluated.
But you have no problem coming on a website and ripping the guy.
I'm guessing you need the Kleenex to jerkoff into more than anything else.
Another mishit by the FatMan in Charlotte.
I never said anything on the Berger thread. But that's just you being you.
But I don't have any issue with those who chose to criticize those in this organization. They have earned the wrath of the fans.
The "Giants Way" extends to fans as well...
Thou shall not criticize anyone in this organization. For those are good men and women are trying to do their best...
You have no fucking clue as to the competence of Jon Berger. You don't know what he's done, what impact he has or even how he's been evaluated.
But you have no problem coming on a website and ripping the guy.
I'm guessing you need the Kleenex to jerkoff into more than anything else.
Hopefully Berger helped the Giants during his time with the club and was a good guy.
You on the other hand are just continue to show this site what a chucklehead you are.
Like I said yesterday, your posts are basically just comic relief these days for many of us...
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Hopefully Berger helped the Giants during his time with the club and was a good guy.
You on the other hand are just continue to show this site what a chucklehead you are.
Like I said yesterday, your posts are basically just comic relief these days for many of us...
They'd be funnier if it wasn't also so out of touch. Not sure how many women would be comfortable with the phrase "cuntery." The irony certainly isn't lost that someone who finds themselves so often trying to be the the protector of truth on something like organizational modernization would act like such a dinosaur
The product is the means to that end. Any company can (or strive to) make a better product if making money weren't an issue.
Within the confines of football, where a lot of the money is guaranteed, there is still money that is on the table to be earned, and winning football is how to get it.
I seriously doubt the Maras/Tisches are sitting back saying "ah, this is the life. Money for nothing and chicks for free". Their acumen in actually achieving winning football, though, is a valid question.
Chris Mara is an enigma. The masses don't know what his actual role is. A figure head? A key position such as the title suggests? The results with him in the fold certainly make one wonder how he keeps his job if it is the latter. The question comes up often enough, and we have enough asshatry around here, I'm surprised we haven't heard a hint what his role is.
So the book, written by some pretty smart Stanford business school professors points out that it is actually essentially to have part of your ideology to be specifically why do you exist other than making money. It's a longitudinal study of successful businesses and they found that part to be an important part of what makes cultures of success happen.
I'd say perhaps some good core ideologies from the Giants could be:
Bringing joy to their fans
Proudly representing the New York community
This is what I would say is within the general vibe of how John Mara talks.
Regardless, short of an ideology that would represent well how the company wanted to operate internally and represent itself I'd say that something like nepotism really rots a culture regardless of how powerful someone is.
If the owners brother is watching your every move, how easy is it to challenge that person? How easy is it to present a scouting report that you think he might disagree with?
Absent of a more broad cultural ideology, I'd say that cultures of winning tend to be kind of the fallback in the NFL and I think there are many organizations that function as if their cultures are far better than the Giants. Regardless of these teams talk about their cultures, the results speak well for them.
I think the way the Giants conduct themselves it would be hard to feel like winning was their #1 priority. And all their talk of how much culture matters kind of falls short if you run a GM search the way they did. And while I will readily admit I don't know anything about how people inside the building feel, I think generally when organizations perform poorly and there isn't real change in the upper management morale declines sometimes exponentially. Maybe not in overt ways but certainly in the quality of work people can put forth
Additional info on Built to Last and Vision Framework - ( New Window )
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Hopefully Berger helped the Giants during his time with the club and was a good guy.
You on the other hand are just continue to show this site what a chucklehead you are.
Like I said yesterday, your posts are basically just comic relief these days for many of us...
They'd be funnier if it wasn't also so out of touch. Not sure how many women would be comfortable with the phrase "cuntery." The irony certainly isn't lost that someone who finds themselves so often trying to be the the protector of truth on something like organizational modernization would act like such a dinosaur
Are you now violating the very terms you've cried to Eric about at least TWICE now??
For the record - you have threatened legal action twice now. You've threatened slander twice now. ON A FUCKING USERNAME!!!
Seems like when challenged your recourse has now been to threaten to sue the site, but you don't even know what constitutes slander. You might want to brush up on legalities there Ace before giving other lectures.
A supposed grown man has gone to the site owner TWICE now. Call it what you want, but cuntery seems to fit well.
I'm not going to tweak the nose of the fucking clown
Of course you didn't respond to any of the points I made or the fact that you absolutely threatened to reveal my identity. That seems a lot more real than this "username" stuff you are harping about.
Regardless you can feel free to flail around like a mentally deranged person. I'm over being upset by you in any way. Which one of us on this thread seems like they need to be moderated do you feel?
Lol at you ALWAYS responding to me even when I ignore you then pretending that you are above it.
Also odd that you would joke about a lawyer that is close to me who reads the site (my father by the way) thinking that you crossed a line. I ignored your first lawyer joke potshot on the BBI mock draft thread. But hey, who would ever expect you to drop anything? I'm sure my Dad looks forward to you drinking your beer and snarfling as you joke about threatening to reveal his sons identity on an internet message board.
May 21, 2019
Subject: NoGainDayne - Can you please ask FatMan to stop interacting with me?
This thread he's made it pretty clear that he pretty much just wants to try to get under my skin. I'm hard pressed to even post on a thread without him aggressively coming after me. I've gone as far as posting a full analysis architecture that I considered to be quite valuable as it relates to my expertise to try to satiate his desire to undermine my credibility and try to show him that I'm not just talking out of my ass but it is pretty clear that he doesn't want to have any kind of healthy debate.
Thanks in advance for your consideration.
Out of respect for the privacy of the mods I will not share the response but needless to say he continued to attack me for years after this. I think this is an important data point in this victim mentality he's representing here. I tried, for the benefit of the community to pull out of this back and forth and he had just zero interest in that. Then he whines about me responding to him coming after me AGAIN. Unbelievable.
I'm not going to tweak the nose of the fucking clown
I guess only one of us can interact with a suspected dupe while calling out another, huh?