To be clear - I've already called Saquads a dupe. You might want to take heed of that.
As for NGD - he's just confirmed that he has gone to Eric about the posting and has threatened legal action. As if a username can be slandered. I don't know if this should be addressed to him of his Father, but you can't fucking slander a username. A fucking lawyer should know that!!
How does one "threaten to reveal one's identity"?? You fucking lunatic. You are NoGainDayne. That's it to BBI. Doesn't matter if there's someone out there approaching NFL teams with Madden simulations. If some fucking username of NoGainDayne is doing that - who the fuck knows.
No identity is getting revealed. My advice is if a person is getting laughed out of NFL offices, they have bigger issues to address than getting called out on BBI. A username getting called out.
Maybe your Father is a terrible lawyer, I have no fucking clue. All I'm telling the board is that you've gone to eric numerous times claiming slander. Slander of a username, you fucking imbecile. see how that holds up in court, Chief.
of which you know literally nothing about is a terrible lawyer?
What kind of a person does that?
My father and I have gone to Giants games for most of my life. We love the Giants and have so many fond memories. He reads the site because I write on it. He’s proud of me
Jesus. This is a new low for you.
RE: RE: To be clear, I was not suggesting that NGD is a dupe.
To be clear - I've already called Saquads a dupe. You might want to take heed of that.
As for NGD - he's just confirmed that he has gone to Eric about the posting and has threatened legal action. As if a username can be slandered. I don't know if this should be addressed to him of his Father, but you can't fucking slander a username. A fucking lawyer should know that!!
How does one "threaten to reveal one's identity"?? You fucking lunatic. You are NoGainDayne. That's it to BBI. Doesn't matter if there's someone out there approaching NFL teams with Madden simulations. If some fucking username of NoGainDayne is doing that - who the fuck knows.
No identity is getting revealed. My advice is if a person is getting laughed out of NFL offices, they have bigger issues to address than getting called out on BBI. A username getting called out.
Maybe your Father is a terrible lawyer, I have no fucking clue. All I'm telling the board is that you've gone to eric numerous times claiming slander. Slander of a username, you fucking imbecile. see how that holds up in court, Chief.
I'd pile on embarrassing you here but that's already been handled by numerous members. Carry on so I can keep laughing...
To be clear - I've already called Saquads a dupe. You might want to take heed of that.
As for NGD - he's just confirmed that he has gone to Eric about the posting and has threatened legal action. As if a username can be slandered. I don't know if this should be addressed to him of his Father, but you can't fucking slander a username. A fucking lawyer should know that!!
How does one "threaten to reveal one's identity"?? You fucking lunatic. You are NoGainDayne. That's it to BBI. Doesn't matter if there's someone out there approaching NFL teams with Madden simulations. If some fucking username of NoGainDayne is doing that - who the fuck knows.
No identity is getting revealed. My advice is if a person is getting laughed out of NFL offices, they have bigger issues to address than getting called out on BBI. A username getting called out.
Maybe your Father is a terrible lawyer, I have no fucking clue. All I'm telling the board is that you've gone to eric numerous times claiming slander. Slander of a username, you fucking imbecile. see how that holds up in court, Chief.
I'm NGD?
Were you hitting the whiskey a little hard last night?
I only was addressing you with the comment about dupes. The rest was for NGD.
He posted a link to a thread above where he went to the mods. This is the exchange that set him off:
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LOL..
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 1:09 pm : link
Yep. Gettleman is to blame for the attitudes of a lot of players who weren't here when he was around.
Isn't that what you're insinuating?
Maybe there's a way to assign analytics to the way a GM interacts with people??
NoGainDayne : 5/21/2019 1:12 pm : link
I just want you to know i'm actually done responding to you completely. Maybe just save yourself time and stop responding to me. You are a terrible person who I have no time for so bye.
He went to the mods on a response that didn't have any profanity and told them to have me stop responding to his posts. He's actually threatened legal action TWICE against Eric.
And apparently, he's paranoid that I'm going to "reveal his identity" that he's talked offline to BBI'ers about me.
If Eric has to deal with legal threats on innocuous posts, how often is he having to deal with this shit??
NGD thinks so highly of himself that he's actually provided his professional qualifications to the mods and told them that if his "expertise" is challenged, he'll sue for slander. And he's concerned that I'm the lunatic.
And back in 2019 he was supposedly done responding me and has since threatened to sue the site twice. He's about as good at understanding the word "done" as he is about analytics.
of which you know literally nothing about is a terrible lawyer?
What kind of a person does that?
My father and I have gone to Giants games for most of my life. We love the Giants and have so many fond memories. He reads the site because I write on it. He’s proud of me
Jesus. This is a new low for you.
Wait - your dad is proud of you for posting on a sports fan site?
I only was addressing you with the comment about dupes. The rest was for NGD.
He posted a link to a thread above where he went to the mods. This is the exchange that set him off:
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LOL..
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 1:09 pm : link
Yep. Gettleman is to blame for the attitudes of a lot of players who weren't here when he was around.
Isn't that what you're insinuating?
Maybe there's a way to assign analytics to the way a GM interacts with people??
NoGainDayne : 5/21/2019 1:12 pm : link
I just want you to know i'm actually done responding to you completely. Maybe just save yourself time and stop responding to me. You are a terrible person who I have no time for so bye.
He went to the mods on a response that didn't have any profanity and told them to have me stop responding to his posts. He's actually threatened legal action TWICE against Eric.
And apparently, he's paranoid that I'm going to "reveal his identity" that he's talked offline to BBI'ers about me.
If Eric has to deal with legal threats on innocuous posts, how often is he having to deal with this shit??
NGD thinks so highly of himself that he's actually provided his professional qualifications to the mods and told them that if his "expertise" is challenged, he'll sue for slander. And he's concerned that I'm the lunatic.
And back in 2019 he was supposedly done responding me and has since threatened to sue the site twice. He's about as good at understanding the word "done" as he is about analytics.
Your shit with him (and vice versa) is its own thing. I'm not getting involved there. But I will say that lately you've been throwing around the same bullying tactics that people are calling you out for, but never coming back to answer for your missteps.
I think you and I are fairly similar in our approach here - both of us have very little tolerance for nonsense that we disagree with and/or know/believe not to be true. We just don't always land on the same side of the aisle, and that's fine - it does provide balance.
Where my feathers get raised is your inability to ever come back to a thread where you've been proven wrong and acknowledge that you were wrong. It's a gaslighting technique, and - quite frankly - it's shitty.
I throw my weight around plenty, probably more than I should. But I at least try to throw a bone to those who prove me wrong, even if it's a worthless message board "hey, I fucked up, my bad" sort of thing. You just disappear from those threads and continue to attack. That's why I've chased you around on the Wentz thing - your post had ZERO to do with analytics and I suspect that you know that. You're smart enough to have known it even as you typed it, but that thread had a bit of an analytics bent, so you took a swing.
Taking that swing is fine, we all do it ("we all" being the BBI regulars who interact on most threads). Where you differ is your refusal to ever come back and admit to being wrong, and you're wrong just as much as the rest of us.
You should try a bit of humility instead of your constant bullying and see if maybe we can reach a reasonable conversation in the process. I know you and I have had productive debates in the past, and I'm confident we can again going forward.
I've just been reading through the more recent posts now. I admit to not knowing much about Berger. I don't care. The bottom line is this organization has been a joke under different GMs and coaches and it is not unfair to question most in the front office. The only positive seems to be the current coaching staff and even that may be a bit premature. After all, we are lauding a 6 win season.
RE: RE: RE: To be clear, I was not suggesting that NGD is a dupe.
To be clear - I've already called Saquads a dupe. You might want to take heed of that.
As for NGD - he's just confirmed that he has gone to Eric about the posting and has threatened legal action. As if a username can be slandered. I don't know if this should be addressed to him of his Father, but you can't fucking slander a username. A fucking lawyer should know that!!
How does one "threaten to reveal one's identity"?? You fucking lunatic. You are NoGainDayne. That's it to BBI. Doesn't matter if there's someone out there approaching NFL teams with Madden simulations. If some fucking username of NoGainDayne is doing that - who the fuck knows.
No identity is getting revealed. My advice is if a person is getting laughed out of NFL offices, they have bigger issues to address than getting called out on BBI. A username getting called out.
Maybe your Father is a terrible lawyer, I have no fucking clue. All I'm telling the board is that you've gone to eric numerous times claiming slander. Slander of a username, you fucking imbecile. see how that holds up in court, Chief.
I'd pile on embarrassing you here but that's already been handled by numerous members. Carry on so I can keep laughing...
Denny, this handle will be banned just like the rest of yours have been the next time I make my donation. Just eat your popcorn and STFU.
Mods - I ask of you to start assessing bad BBI behavior fairly and equitably without reference to tenure or any personal rep or connections you have with the offending poster. I sure get the sense different posters are allowed different levels of leeway. Do you have a specific written list of unacceptable behavior that you’ve agreed to as a group? You don’t have to share this with the entire forum, but do you have thresholds laid down that can be objectively applied?
in this ongoing adult tantrum that is your BBI persona you get a lot of facts wrong. So here are the facts:
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You need to keep telling people your qualifications because a lot of people knowledgeable about analytics think you are full of shit and for some reason, you need to throw fake resumes around to appear to be an expert. I came to that conclusion early on in our interactions, yet you keep going like the Energizer Bunny.
1. You said this in the thread linked below and I merely sent my resume over to make it clear that you shouldn’t say outright lies like this about me. Deal in all your 99% bullshit all you want. But I won’t tolerate lying.
2. You revealed my first name on a thread and threatened more, I’m not sharing that thread because of that. And yes, revealing someone’s real name on the internet without their consent is very serious. But like with most things you don’t want to face that head on and want to pretend like it’s something else.
3. I work in Fintech. Your “I’m getting laughed out of boardrooms” thing is highly inaccurate. I’ve exchanged emails with one team over the years because early in my career I met someone in ownership and my ideas seemed interesting. I’ve had some contact with the Giants contact which included calling DG a “visionary” in analytics. I’ve offered to help, because I care about the team and have seen some glaring holes in the systems that I do have ideas how to make better but my original offer was simply to help them bring in someone that has more technical skills and donate my time to do that. Not sure how that makes your statement at all accurate. And you have no idea what I’ve been talking about if you think it’s “madden simulations” shows how much you know or actually understand. By idea mainly involved using predictive analytics in contract structuring to free up more space programmatically in years the team doesn’t do well. And balance risk tolerances of players better using portfolio management tactics.
The irony is I have been talking to a large AI company because your assaults on my character have actually forced me to do a lot of work on my concrete ideas so I ended up just sending it to a friend whose company I thought would have more resources to work on the idea. Because I literally do not have time to actually pitch the ideas and get laughed out of boardrooms as you suggest.
For some reason you think you can get under my skin still but I could never do anything in football and he perfectly happy. I suppose if it does happen I’ll owe you a thank you on that day because I didn’t start formalizing my first draft before your witch hunt to prove that I didn’t know what I was talking about.
of which you know literally nothing about is a terrible lawyer?
What kind of a person does that?
My father and I have gone to Giants games for most of my life. We love the Giants and have so many fond memories. He reads the site because I write on it. He’s proud of me
Jesus. This is a new low for you.
Wait - your dad is proud of you for posting on a sports fan site?
Lol no he’s proud of what I do in my career and sometimes he learns interesting things about how I’d apply it to football on here. Most threads I start he reads occasionally others. This “running to my Dad” thing that Fatman is suggesting actually happened because he read the thread where Fatman used my first name himself
Ernie Adams worked in Finance and has been with the Pats since 2000.
The funny thing is i'm not trying to highlight these things as me being smarter or unique to me. Asset management and players as portfolios of assets and using the accounting rules to your advantage clearly exists around the league.
It would not surprise me to learn that many of the concepts I am suggesting (perhaps less grounded in using models like LSTMs to unify long term value and short term decision making) have been in place for a long time for many teams.
The issue we keep bumping up against is not that I think I know what goes on in the Giants building, it's how do we end up with moves like the Tate move with sound asset management math? How is it that many other teams that seem to be in the bottom of the league for extensive periods of time have lots of cap room while we don't?
I'm not presuming anything about what is going on inside the building. I'm honestly hoping that they haven't really made a true endeavor into applying advanced analytics in these areas already because if they have, it has been with the wrong people approach or likely both.
The irony is I have been talking to a large AI company because your assaults on my character have actually forced me to do a lot of work on my concrete ideas so I ended up just sending it to a friend whose company I thought would have more resources to work on the idea. Because I literally do not have time to actually pitch the ideas and get laughed out of boardrooms as you suggest.
Who has insulted the character of a real person?? You are a username on this site. Get that perfectly clear in your head.
If something someone said to you on a message board is considered an insult to your character that you've actually taken steps in real life that you have been "forced" to make - you may want to refrain from using messageboards.
Let's just reiterate - you've gone to the site owner twice with legal threats. Another sign that you may want to refrain from using messageboards. You've literally provided a resume to the mods. A third sign that you should refrain from using messageboards.
what I'm saying. To everyone on this messageboard, you are NoGainDayne, just like I'm FatMan in Charlotte. It is why threatening to sue for slander isn't valid - you are a USERNAME!!
I'll give you my duct tape to piece together the flimsy legal document you're trying to peddle.
Nobody knows who the fuck you are and nobody cares. That's a point you continually ignore, which apparently has led you to be "forced" to do thing is real life. It has led you to providing your qualifications a number of times on threads, it has led you to threaten legal action and it has led you to be paranoid about being "outed".
You can't slander a username, Chief. NoGainDayne has no indication of your identity. Why is this so tough to grasp?
Hey chief let me put together a pretty simple equation for you
You threatening to reveal my name + making false statements about me = something you can be sued for the second you reveal my real name.
Something that again, you’ve come dangerously close to. So you can bet me and anyone who cares about me is concerned when you continue to behave like a crazy person here. You clearly know who I am based on what you’ve said. And you clearly want me to know that. It’s fine, I don’t care. I just think it’s perfectly acceptable to let you know I’m prepared to defend myself if and when you do cross that line. And what you are also failing to communicate accurately is that I’m not the one that actually wants to take the legal action, I’m actually the one that talked down the person whose legal acumen you’ve mocked. I’ve expressed concern and asked the site for help mitigating the risk that you’d post my name here, that is all I’ve done.
So I’ll be clear, I was concerned, I am concerned. Maybe get some help please?
but I've often felt like the "Giants Way" is it's own thing separate from the two eras of winning they've had in my lifetime.
The "giants way" led to the Commissioner having to intervene in the operation of the team and installing an independent GM who saved the franchise.
They won under Parcells. When he was gone, so was the winning. They won under Coughlin. When he was gone, so was the winning. You might argue that management failed Coughlin and Eli and unintentionally helped make their later years worse.
Winning the Super Bowl is so rare that teams that have won multiple times usually have had it occur under only a limited number of different coaches.
Patriots 6 wins with only one coach
Steelers 6 wins with only 3 coaches
49ers 5 wins with only 2 coaches
Cowboys 5 wins with only 3 coaches
Packers 4 wins with only 3 coaches
Giants 4 wins with only 2 coaches
Broncos 3 wins with only 2 coaches
Washington 3 wins with only 1 coach
Raiders 3 wins with only 2 coaches
Colts 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Chiefs 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Ravens 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Dolphins 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Buccaneers 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Then only six more teams that were able to just win one
There is nothing related to the fact that the Giants won Super Bowls with only two different coaches that point to anything unique or inferior they have done as an organization compared the the rest of the league and the historical numbers of coaches it took to win Super Bowls for individual team.
I don't think I've seen someone so thin skinned as NGD
Must be the spoiled upper middle class upbringing... At least my own spoiled upper middle class upbringing taught me perspective and shit. I don't need a pat on the back for writing a good forum post. Jesus Christ.
I’ve actually become practiced at scrolling quickly through threads where FMIC gets into one of his flame wars to actually get to posts which have information or thoughts about the actual topic. Practiced because I have to do it so frequently.
and I am not obsessed with dups. I am just annoyed that seemingly every football thread denigrated to this crap. Take it outside children and let the fans discuss how shitty Tate is/was.
Why you guys waste time with people like FMIC. It’s obvious he’s on here to insult people, and try to piss you off. Just ignore him
Wow this thread predictably devolved. I agree with you 100%, and adamg as well. The moderators started this site and can choose to enforce bans however they please. For whatever reason this particular poster is beyond reproach, but it doesn’t matter , simply ignore the posts. I took the advice of a long time poster -thank you, by the way- and ignored this poster after a particularly nasty thread in October, it’s made the forum experience much more enjoyed.
The vast majority of posters on this forum are an enjoyable read, and bring a diverse experience of football knowledge to the board, and are generally wonderful to interact with whether we agree or disagree on the state of the franchise, without it devolving into ad hominem attacks or profanity laced tirades. To the advice and simply ignore.
RE: RE: Oh christ another thread destroyed by FMiC
I’ve actually become practiced at scrolling quickly through threads where FMIC gets into one of his flame wars to actually get to posts which have information or thoughts about the actual topic. Practiced because I have to do it so frequently.
From here on out, just ask FMIC how the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics and he'll disappear from that thread permanently. It's a surefire method.
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
I had Tate wrong. I don't think he played badly here (I think he's made Jones look good on some plays), but it clearly wasn't worth it.
It never led to another move. Tate + Shepard never made sense, in reading that thread a lot of people figured Shep would get moved. Instead, he was signed a few weeks later.
Going down memory-lane threads on BBI is usually all the same
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
Whoa, whoa, whoa... are you really gonna knock anyone's WR projections?
Should we sign Kevin White based on your crusty BVDs?
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
I know when they made the deal, I was not in love with it, but not against it. But, they made the deal for the wrong reasons and that contributed to why they paid him as much. They just traded OBJ so they wanted to say, look we replaced him. That was a ridiculous notion.
I will also say, I soured on him and this deal before he ever suited up. His 4 game suspension was a joke. His story, as more and more details came out, became less and less believable. But, if it was true, I find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. Even if not true, I still find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. That fiasco pissed me off and was embarrassing for the organization.
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
I know when they made the deal, I was not in love with it, but not against it. But, they made the deal for the wrong reasons and that contributed to why they paid him as much. They just traded OBJ so they wanted to say, look we replaced him. That was a ridiculous notion.
I will also say, I soured on him and this deal before he ever suited up. His 4 game suspension was a joke. His story, as more and more details came out, became less and less believable. But, if it was true, I find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. Even if not true, I still find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. That fiasco pissed me off and was embarrassing for the organization.
It shouldn't have required that much time to realize that Take was a liar about his PED test. The drug he tested positive for is a FEMALE fertility drug, not male. Which meant all along that it was a masking agent.
The contract looks poor in hindsight; but, like Terps, I think Tate's play was more a reflection of the circumstances - i.e. Jones - than Tate falling off a cliff.
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
I know when they made the deal, I was not in love with it, but not against it. But, they made the deal for the wrong reasons and that contributed to why they paid him as much. They just traded OBJ so they wanted to say, look we replaced him. That was a ridiculous notion.
I will also say, I soured on him and this deal before he ever suited up. His 4 game suspension was a joke. His story, as more and more details came out, became less and less believable. But, if it was true, I find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. Even if not true, I still find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. That fiasco pissed me off and was embarrassing for the organization.
It shouldn't have required that much time to realize that Take was a liar about his PED test. The drug he tested positive for is a FEMALE fertility drug, not male. Which meant all along that it was a masking agent.
He thought everyone else was stupid.
As I said, the more details that came out, the more ridiculous it sounded. Even at his first recounting of the tale, he was just months off of having his 2nd child in a few years, and fertility didn't appear to be an issue. But, on the surface, it's the kind of story that nobody wants to question because nobody knows what's going on with them. But, they more he dug in and the more we learned about him, his wife, and the test, the more obvious it became that it was a farce...and that is really the case with almost every PED story from athletes. Like I said, if it was true, it is something the Giants should have known and likely would have known, as would the league. If not true, it's still something that probably should have been known, but certainly shouldn't have been accepted or covered up.
To be clear - I've already called Saquads a dupe. You might want to take heed of that.
As for NGD - he's just confirmed that he has gone to Eric about the posting and has threatened legal action. As if a username can be slandered. I don't know if this should be addressed to him of his Father, but you can't fucking slander a username. A fucking lawyer should know that!!
How does one "threaten to reveal one's identity"?? You fucking lunatic. You are NoGainDayne. That's it to BBI. Doesn't matter if there's someone out there approaching NFL teams with Madden simulations. If some fucking username of NoGainDayne is doing that - who the fuck knows.
No identity is getting revealed. My advice is if a person is getting laughed out of NFL offices, they have bigger issues to address than getting called out on BBI. A username getting called out.
Maybe your Father is a terrible lawyer, I have no fucking clue. All I'm telling the board is that you've gone to eric numerous times claiming slander. Slander of a username, you fucking imbecile. see how that holds up in court, Chief.
A grown man going to a site owner to ask for another person to stop interacting with them.
But hey - Dad gave you legal advice!!
What kind of a person does that?
My father and I have gone to Giants games for most of my life. We love the Giants and have so many fond memories. He reads the site because I write on it. He’s proud of me
Jesus. This is a new low for you.
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To be clear - I've already called Saquads a dupe. You might want to take heed of that.
As for NGD - he's just confirmed that he has gone to Eric about the posting and has threatened legal action. As if a username can be slandered. I don't know if this should be addressed to him of his Father, but you can't fucking slander a username. A fucking lawyer should know that!!
How does one "threaten to reveal one's identity"?? You fucking lunatic. You are NoGainDayne. That's it to BBI. Doesn't matter if there's someone out there approaching NFL teams with Madden simulations. If some fucking username of NoGainDayne is doing that - who the fuck knows.
No identity is getting revealed. My advice is if a person is getting laughed out of NFL offices, they have bigger issues to address than getting called out on BBI. A username getting called out.
Maybe your Father is a terrible lawyer, I have no fucking clue. All I'm telling the board is that you've gone to eric numerous times claiming slander. Slander of a username, you fucking imbecile. see how that holds up in court, Chief.
I'd pile on embarrassing you here but that's already been handled by numerous members. Carry on so I can keep laughing...
That he defended the Giants with all of his wit
He snarfled right onto the floor
his life but a bore
Turns out
he shouted and flouted
the knowledge he touted
and cut down his own paltry core
A grown man going to a site owner to ask for another person to stop interacting with them.
Is that all it takes...
Eric - can you please ask Fmic to stop interacting with the rest of the site.
Sincerely,
The rest of site
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To be clear - I've already called Saquads a dupe. You might want to take heed of that.
As for NGD - he's just confirmed that he has gone to Eric about the posting and has threatened legal action. As if a username can be slandered. I don't know if this should be addressed to him of his Father, but you can't fucking slander a username. A fucking lawyer should know that!!
How does one "threaten to reveal one's identity"?? You fucking lunatic. You are NoGainDayne. That's it to BBI. Doesn't matter if there's someone out there approaching NFL teams with Madden simulations. If some fucking username of NoGainDayne is doing that - who the fuck knows.
No identity is getting revealed. My advice is if a person is getting laughed out of NFL offices, they have bigger issues to address than getting called out on BBI. A username getting called out.
Maybe your Father is a terrible lawyer, I have no fucking clue. All I'm telling the board is that you've gone to eric numerous times claiming slander. Slander of a username, you fucking imbecile. see how that holds up in court, Chief.
I'm NGD?
Were you hitting the whiskey a little hard last night?
He posted a link to a thread above where he went to the mods. This is the exchange that set him off:
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 1:09 pm : link
Yep. Gettleman is to blame for the attitudes of a lot of players who weren't here when he was around.
Isn't that what you're insinuating?
Maybe there's a way to assign analytics to the way a GM interacts with people??
NoGainDayne : 5/21/2019 1:12 pm : link
I just want you to know i'm actually done responding to you completely. Maybe just save yourself time and stop responding to me. You are a terrible person who I have no time for so bye.
He went to the mods on a response that didn't have any profanity and told them to have me stop responding to his posts. He's actually threatened legal action TWICE against Eric.
And apparently, he's paranoid that I'm going to "reveal his identity" that he's talked offline to BBI'ers about me.
If Eric has to deal with legal threats on innocuous posts, how often is he having to deal with this shit??
NGD thinks so highly of himself that he's actually provided his professional qualifications to the mods and told them that if his "expertise" is challenged, he'll sue for slander. And he's concerned that I'm the lunatic.
And back in 2019 he was supposedly done responding me and has since threatened to sue the site twice. He's about as good at understanding the word "done" as he is about analytics.
What kind of a person does that?
My father and I have gone to Giants games for most of my life. We love the Giants and have so many fond memories. He reads the site because I write on it. He’s proud of me
Jesus. This is a new low for you.
He posted a link to a thread above where he went to the mods. This is the exchange that set him off:
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FatMan in Charlotte : 5/21/2019 1:09 pm : link
Yep. Gettleman is to blame for the attitudes of a lot of players who weren't here when he was around.
Isn't that what you're insinuating?
Maybe there's a way to assign analytics to the way a GM interacts with people??
NoGainDayne : 5/21/2019 1:12 pm : link
I just want you to know i'm actually done responding to you completely. Maybe just save yourself time and stop responding to me. You are a terrible person who I have no time for so bye.
He went to the mods on a response that didn't have any profanity and told them to have me stop responding to his posts. He's actually threatened legal action TWICE against Eric.
And apparently, he's paranoid that I'm going to "reveal his identity" that he's talked offline to BBI'ers about me.
If Eric has to deal with legal threats on innocuous posts, how often is he having to deal with this shit??
NGD thinks so highly of himself that he's actually provided his professional qualifications to the mods and told them that if his "expertise" is challenged, he'll sue for slander. And he's concerned that I'm the lunatic.
And back in 2019 he was supposedly done responding me and has since threatened to sue the site twice. He's about as good at understanding the word "done" as he is about analytics.
Your shit with him (and vice versa) is its own thing. I'm not getting involved there. But I will say that lately you've been throwing around the same bullying tactics that people are calling you out for, but never coming back to answer for your missteps.
I think you and I are fairly similar in our approach here - both of us have very little tolerance for nonsense that we disagree with and/or know/believe not to be true. We just don't always land on the same side of the aisle, and that's fine - it does provide balance.
Where my feathers get raised is your inability to ever come back to a thread where you've been proven wrong and acknowledge that you were wrong. It's a gaslighting technique, and - quite frankly - it's shitty.
I throw my weight around plenty, probably more than I should. But I at least try to throw a bone to those who prove me wrong, even if it's a worthless message board "hey, I fucked up, my bad" sort of thing. You just disappear from those threads and continue to attack. That's why I've chased you around on the Wentz thing - your post had ZERO to do with analytics and I suspect that you know that. You're smart enough to have known it even as you typed it, but that thread had a bit of an analytics bent, so you took a swing.
Taking that swing is fine, we all do it ("we all" being the BBI regulars who interact on most threads). Where you differ is your refusal to ever come back and admit to being wrong, and you're wrong just as much as the rest of us.
You should try a bit of humility instead of your constant bullying and see if maybe we can reach a reasonable conversation in the process. I know you and I have had productive debates in the past, and I'm confident we can again going forward.
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To be clear - I've already called Saquads a dupe. You might want to take heed of that.
As for NGD - he's just confirmed that he has gone to Eric about the posting and has threatened legal action. As if a username can be slandered. I don't know if this should be addressed to him of his Father, but you can't fucking slander a username. A fucking lawyer should know that!!
How does one "threaten to reveal one's identity"?? You fucking lunatic. You are NoGainDayne. That's it to BBI. Doesn't matter if there's someone out there approaching NFL teams with Madden simulations. If some fucking username of NoGainDayne is doing that - who the fuck knows.
No identity is getting revealed. My advice is if a person is getting laughed out of NFL offices, they have bigger issues to address than getting called out on BBI. A username getting called out.
Maybe your Father is a terrible lawyer, I have no fucking clue. All I'm telling the board is that you've gone to eric numerous times claiming slander. Slander of a username, you fucking imbecile. see how that holds up in court, Chief.
I'd pile on embarrassing you here but that's already been handled by numerous members. Carry on so I can keep laughing...
Denny, this handle will be banned just like the rest of yours have been the next time I make my donation. Just eat your popcorn and STFU.
1. You said this in the thread linked below and I merely sent my resume over to make it clear that you shouldn’t say outright lies like this about me. Deal in all your 99% bullshit all you want. But I won’t tolerate lying.
2. You revealed my first name on a thread and threatened more, I’m not sharing that thread because of that. And yes, revealing someone’s real name on the internet without their consent is very serious. But like with most things you don’t want to face that head on and want to pretend like it’s something else.
3. I work in Fintech. Your “I’m getting laughed out of boardrooms” thing is highly inaccurate. I’ve exchanged emails with one team over the years because early in my career I met someone in ownership and my ideas seemed interesting. I’ve had some contact with the Giants contact which included calling DG a “visionary” in analytics. I’ve offered to help, because I care about the team and have seen some glaring holes in the systems that I do have ideas how to make better but my original offer was simply to help them bring in someone that has more technical skills and donate my time to do that. Not sure how that makes your statement at all accurate. And you have no idea what I’ve been talking about if you think it’s “madden simulations” shows how much you know or actually understand. By idea mainly involved using predictive analytics in contract structuring to free up more space programmatically in years the team doesn’t do well. And balance risk tolerances of players better using portfolio management tactics.
The irony is I have been talking to a large AI company because your assaults on my character have actually forced me to do a lot of work on my concrete ideas so I ended up just sending it to a friend whose company I thought would have more resources to work on the idea. Because I literally do not have time to actually pitch the ideas and get laughed out of boardrooms as you suggest.
For some reason you think you can get under my skin still but I could never do anything in football and he perfectly happy. I suppose if it does happen I’ll owe you a thank you on that day because I didn’t start formalizing my first draft before your witch hunt to prove that I didn’t know what I was talking about.
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of which you know literally nothing about is a terrible lawyer?
What kind of a person does that?
My father and I have gone to Giants games for most of my life. We love the Giants and have so many fond memories. He reads the site because I write on it. He’s proud of me
Jesus. This is a new low for you.
Wait - your dad is proud of you for posting on a sports fan site?
Lol no he’s proud of what I do in my career and sometimes he learns interesting things about how I’d apply it to football on here. Most threads I start he reads occasionally others. This “running to my Dad” thing that Fatman is suggesting actually happened because he read the thread where Fatman used my first name himself
Exactly but all he does is embarrass himself so it's hilarious
The funny thing is i'm not trying to highlight these things as me being smarter or unique to me. Asset management and players as portfolios of assets and using the accounting rules to your advantage clearly exists around the league.
It would not surprise me to learn that many of the concepts I am suggesting (perhaps less grounded in using models like LSTMs to unify long term value and short term decision making) have been in place for a long time for many teams.
The issue we keep bumping up against is not that I think I know what goes on in the Giants building, it's how do we end up with moves like the Tate move with sound asset management math? How is it that many other teams that seem to be in the bottom of the league for extensive periods of time have lots of cap room while we don't?
I'm not presuming anything about what is going on inside the building. I'm honestly hoping that they haven't really made a true endeavor into applying advanced analytics in these areas already because if they have, it has been with the wrong people approach or likely both.
Who has insulted the character of a real person?? You are a username on this site. Get that perfectly clear in your head.
If something someone said to you on a message board is considered an insult to your character that you've actually taken steps in real life that you have been "forced" to make - you may want to refrain from using messageboards.
Let's just reiterate - you've gone to the site owner twice with legal threats. Another sign that you may want to refrain from using messageboards. You've literally provided a resume to the mods. A third sign that you should refrain from using messageboards.
How much duct tape and glue do you have over there to try and hold together your array of flimsy arguments?
I'll give you my duct tape to piece together the flimsy legal document you're trying to peddle.
Nobody knows who the fuck you are and nobody cares. That's a point you continually ignore, which apparently has led you to be "forced" to do thing is real life. It has led you to providing your qualifications a number of times on threads, it has led you to threaten legal action and it has led you to be paranoid about being "outed".
You can't slander a username, Chief. NoGainDayne has no indication of your identity. Why is this so tough to grasp?
Something that again, you’ve come dangerously close to. So you can bet me and anyone who cares about me is concerned when you continue to behave like a crazy person here. You clearly know who I am based on what you’ve said. And you clearly want me to know that. It’s fine, I don’t care. I just think it’s perfectly acceptable to let you know I’m prepared to defend myself if and when you do cross that line. And what you are also failing to communicate accurately is that I’m not the one that actually wants to take the legal action, I’m actually the one that talked down the person whose legal acumen you’ve mocked. I’ve expressed concern and asked the site for help mitigating the risk that you’d post my name here, that is all I’ve done.
So I’ll be clear, I was concerned, I am concerned. Maybe get some help please?
The "giants way" led to the Commissioner having to intervene in the operation of the team and installing an independent GM who saved the franchise.
They won under Parcells. When he was gone, so was the winning. They won under Coughlin. When he was gone, so was the winning. You might argue that management failed Coughlin and Eli and unintentionally helped make their later years worse.
Winning the Super Bowl is so rare that teams that have won multiple times usually have had it occur under only a limited number of different coaches.
Patriots 6 wins with only one coach
Steelers 6 wins with only 3 coaches
49ers 5 wins with only 2 coaches
Cowboys 5 wins with only 3 coaches
Packers 4 wins with only 3 coaches
Giants 4 wins with only 2 coaches
Broncos 3 wins with only 2 coaches
Washington 3 wins with only 1 coach
Raiders 3 wins with only 2 coaches
Colts 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Chiefs 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Ravens 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Dolphins 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Buccaneers 2 wins with only 2 coaches
Then only six more teams that were able to just win one
There is nothing related to the fact that the Giants won Super Bowls with only two different coaches that point to anything unique or inferior they have done as an organization compared the the rest of the league and the historical numbers of coaches it took to win Super Bowls for individual team.
See a therapist, dude.
He has most certainly crossed the line with regards to the terms here on many occasions and much more egregiously so than others who have been banned.
Why is he given special treatment?
Mods? Anything you would care to to explain?
He has most certainly crossed the line with regards to the terms here on many occasions and much more egregiously so than others who have been banned.
Why is he given special treatment?
Mods? Anything you would care to to explain?
Why ban him when he's nothing but entertainment.
Wow this thread predictably devolved. I agree with you 100%, and adamg as well. The moderators started this site and can choose to enforce bans however they please. For whatever reason this particular poster is beyond reproach, but it doesn’t matter , simply ignore the posts. I took the advice of a long time poster -thank you, by the way- and ignored this poster after a particularly nasty thread in October, it’s made the forum experience much more enjoyed.
The vast majority of posters on this forum are an enjoyable read, and bring a diverse experience of football knowledge to the board, and are generally wonderful to interact with whether we agree or disagree on the state of the franchise, without it devolving into ad hominem attacks or profanity laced tirades. To the advice and simply ignore.
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Why don't the moderators ever ban him?
He has most certainly crossed the line with regards to the terms here on many occasions and much more egregiously so than others who have been banned.
Why is he given special treatment?
Mods? Anything you would care to to explain?
Why ban him when he's nothing but entertainment.
Denny, pipe down before this handle gets banned just like all of your previous ones.
From here on out, just ask FMIC how the Wentz trade had anything to do with analytics and he'll disappear from that thread permanently. It's a surefire method.
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below.
Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
It never led to another move. Tate + Shepard never made sense, in reading that thread a lot of people figured Shep would get moved. Instead, he was signed a few weeks later.
10% of the posters that get it kind of wrong, and
80% of the posters that get it completely wrong...
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Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
Whoa, whoa, whoa... are you really gonna knock anyone's WR projections?
Should we sign Kevin White based on your crusty BVDs?
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
I will also say, I soured on him and this deal before he ever suited up. His 4 game suspension was a joke. His story, as more and more details came out, became less and less believable. But, if it was true, I find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. Even if not true, I still find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. That fiasco pissed me off and was embarrassing for the organization.
This one was funny, especially the posts from you know who...
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Can’t we just celebrate finally dumping this guy?
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
I know when they made the deal, I was not in love with it, but not against it. But, they made the deal for the wrong reasons and that contributed to why they paid him as much. They just traded OBJ so they wanted to say, look we replaced him. That was a ridiculous notion.
I will also say, I soured on him and this deal before he ever suited up. His 4 game suspension was a joke. His story, as more and more details came out, became less and less believable. But, if it was true, I find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. Even if not true, I still find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. That fiasco pissed me off and was embarrassing for the organization.
It shouldn't have required that much time to realize that Take was a liar about his PED test. The drug he tested positive for is a FEMALE fertility drug, not male. Which meant all along that it was a masking agent.
He thought everyone else was stupid.
But sure, I would have signed White over Tate and then used that $23 million on a younger player.
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Can’t we just celebrate finally dumping this guy?
Terrible signing. Wasn’t the type of player a bottom of the league team should sign and the price was ridiculous. Made no sense at the time. None. Fading player, not wanted back by the team that just traded for him, & gets overpaid by bottom feeder team. It was the type of move WAS made for years and kept them in the basement.
The reaction when we signed him was mixed. But it’s clear. This was a huge mistake. Thread below. Tate signed by NY! - ( New Window )
I know when they made the deal, I was not in love with it, but not against it. But, they made the deal for the wrong reasons and that contributed to why they paid him as much. They just traded OBJ so they wanted to say, look we replaced him. That was a ridiculous notion.
I will also say, I soured on him and this deal before he ever suited up. His 4 game suspension was a joke. His story, as more and more details came out, became less and less believable. But, if it was true, I find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. Even if not true, I still find it hard to believe the Giants knew nothing. That fiasco pissed me off and was embarrassing for the organization.
It shouldn't have required that much time to realize that Take was a liar about his PED test. The drug he tested positive for is a FEMALE fertility drug, not male. Which meant all along that it was a masking agent.
He thought everyone else was stupid.
There are a number of posts from that offseason on how fine the Giants skill position players would be in the passing game.
The crazy thing is Slayton emerged as a 750 yard/15 YPC out of obscurity, and the passing game still sucks.
We were top of the league at this position. Top of the league in $ spent at WR.