Z is worthy as a Keep, with a possible extension/restructure for Cap Fit. I don't see keeping Both guys. Solder is expensive and "sight unseen". Together, they occupy a spot that may be more useful for another OL Draft Pick.
I'd like to see an OL Draft in the top 3 picks...an On Field/close to on-field ready player. The Giants need to bet on young OL players...and they need to add talent to increase their odds.
I also think they need to add At Least ONE professional receiver via FA....I'd like to see Samuel...maybe PLUS a "professional receiver" in FA. That allows them to draft a WR in the first 2 rounds, without the expectation/necessity of making a first year wideout the "#1". Samuel and " A Marvin Jones Type" ?
The first cuts yesterday, especially the Tate Cut, are aimed at the FA capacity---they cut Tate now becausde 6 million in cap NOW is better than 8 million in cap in June.
We all feel for him on a personal level, which is why it may not be the greatest idea to employ him as an NFL OT. There are plenty of ways to support him financially without putting him on the field.
If he willing to take a hugh paycut/restructure....maybe some incentives if he wins RT job...but at best, probably swing tackle.
Tate can be cut now....and placed as a June cut
Cut:
Solder
Toilolo
Beal
Extend:
Zeitler for two more years lowering his 2021 cap number.
Restructure:
Bradberry moving some money into 2022 and 2023.
Resign:
Williams (top priority)
Attempt to resign Tomlinson but for a reasonable deal. If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen
Free Agent Acquisitions:
Kenny Golladay
Haason Reddick or Carl Lawson
Malcolm Brown or Marlon Mack
Xavier Rhodes on a 1 or 2 year deal
Daryl Williams
We would bring in a RT to compete with Peart, a true #1 WR (who does have some injury concerns), an young and hopefully improving edge rusher. Competent backup RB who can carry the load until Barkley comes back and a good #2 CB who can play opposite Bradberry with hopefully Holmes improving covering the slot. This would allow us to go BPA in the draft.
many around here said Tuck wasn't signing for a reasonable price after his 2008 season... and he did just that.
[quote] If his head/heart/body are in the game still, I'd give him another chance on a restructured contract.
We all feel for him on a personal level, which is why it may not be the greatest idea to employ him as an NFL OT. There are plenty of ways to support him financially without putting him on the field.
Personal issues aside, Solder was horrid for 2 years and has a year of rust on him now. Cut the loss. I'd keep Zeitler, maybe add a year and stretch out his pay, save a few bucks. He's a pro, can't have all kids.
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for what he’s asked to do. He’s not getting anywhere near LW money, but he’s also not signing for a “reasonable” price, imv
many around here said Tuck wasn't signing for a reasonable price after his 2008 season... and he did just that.
Listen, that would be GREAT..I’m thinking Tuck was the outlier..I’d love Tomlinson back
I know we all want to see the Giants make significant and strategic additions during UFA, but retaining LW and adding some veteran depth is going to eat much of the cap space they open up. Maybe they let Tomlinson go and sign an Edge or a second tier WR.
Yeah, this feels right. Especially since starting Right Tackle is still an unknown at this point so they probably want a "known" on that side.
The hitch may be though his salary impairs what they need to compete for the Def Tackles and a free agent WR...
They can add a voidable year to the contract to lower the hit this year and push that CAP hit to 2022. This isn't ideal because i don't believe he is worth 12.5M. But if you don't want to lose him this year and you don't want to invest beyond this season, and he isn't willing to take a straight salary cut. Then this is a way to make CAP space this year and push it down the road.
go look at the Cowboys contracts then the Giants contracts and tell me which team is doing a better job at managing the cap. The cowboys seemingly sign everyone to monster contracts with all of BBI yelling from the rafters "they will be in cap hell soon!!!!!" which in reality never comes to fruition.
Neither are the Giants.
Cut:
Solder
Toilolo
Beal
Extend:
Zeitler for two more years lowering his 2021 cap number.
Restructure:
Bradberry moving some money into 2022 and 2023.
Resign:
Williams (top priority)
Attempt to resign Tomlinson but for a reasonable deal. If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen
Free Agent Acquisitions:
Kenny Golladay
Haason Reddick or Carl Lawson
Malcolm Brown or Marlon Mack
Xavier Rhodes on a 1 or 2 year deal
Daryl Williams
We would bring in a RT to compete with Peart, a true #1 WR (who does have some injury concerns), an young and hopefully improving edge rusher. Competent backup RB who can carry the load until Barkley comes back and a good #2 CB who can play opposite Bradberry with hopefully Holmes improving covering the slot. This would allow us to go BPA in the draft.
There are some interesting ideas here - D.Williams (RT solution), Riddick or Lawson.
But signing LW, Tomlinson and Golladay???
Two guys in that trio want top dollar for their positions and the other isn’t going to be cheap ($14Mish).
There are better, cheaper ideas available to add quantity and quality.
Give me Schuster, keep Tomlinson, let LW hit the market, add Thuney,
There has to be a plan, improvement from the draft that is demonstrated on the football field, and a cap balance/patience.
Any marquee free agent the Giants sign will have significant guarantees in years 1-3, and a signing bonus spread across the life of the contract.
The Cowboys haven’t been scared to restructure their big deals and convert salary into restructure bonuses, for immediate relief.
The Giants don’t have those big long term deals to ride. Their best bet is getting either Martinez or Bradberry to extend their deals. But that would go against their presumed preference to sign shorter deals and reach UFA again.
There has to be a plan, improvement from the draft that is demonstrated on the football field, and a cap balance/patience.
It is much different. in 2018 you had a QB that 31 teams in the NFL knew was toast, them adding pieces to make a run with Eli was stupid. We have a young QB who needs talent around him and a coach who knows how to actually coach.. unline 2018
There has to be a plan, improvement from the draft that is demonstrated on the football field, and a cap balance/patience.
Please stop being coherent. It will be disruptive to BBI.
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Yeah we're not bridging the gap on this train of thought. The Giants are far from winning a championship, shitty division or not. Failing to see the roster for what it was and trying to go for it in 2018 is why the Giants are where are they are right now. It is not much different in 2021. Now is not the time to borrow much from the future.
There has to be a plan, improvement from the draft that is demonstrated on the football field, and a cap balance/patience.
It is much different. in 2018 you had a QB that 31 teams in the NFL knew was toast, them adding pieces to make a run with Eli was stupid. We have a young QB who needs talent around him and a coach who knows how to actually coach.. unline 2018
You're unlikely to get the boost needed on offense from UFA. Just look at the list of availables, consider the UFA cost, and the answer's clear. Now is not the time to borrow extensively from the future, it makes little sense.
and to talk about extending him? that's crazy talk. he was bad two years ago and ok this year. he's only going to get worse with age.
play hernandez and lemiuex or sign someone good and younger for the money they are paying zeitler. it's a no brainer.
only option with zeitler to me would be a straight pay cut
Yes, Zeitler should stay until they have an adequate replacement on the roster. Solder won’t be missed, unfortunately.
The rest should be some bargain shopping - I'd be looking for TE (Manhertz form Panthers), maybe a CB, possibly an RB.
Team is getting better but they need more talent. Big spending in FA might help improve team but not a smart way to build
He's got to go.
Use that money to sign Thuney or D. Williams. Which for the same price will give them versatility and more than just "professionalism".
The Giants need a 2005-like offseason, signing impact free agents. Now is the time to be aggressive and start making a run.
You're unlikely to get the boost needed on offense from UFA. Just look at the list of availables, consider the UFA cost, and the answer's clear. Now is not the time to borrow extensively from the future, it makes little sense.
Here is the push-back on this - Daniel Jones.
The clock is ticking on his expiration date and we need to see if he's got the goods to be the QB. So we just need more infantry for him, which is going to involve more cap investments...
It would be surprising if they didn't get a bonafide #1 WR in here somehow.
It would be surprising if they didn't get a bonafide #1 WR in here somehow.
yea in the draft. they are going to have shep and slayton who will play. that leaves room for 1 more WR in base packages
It would be surprising if they didn't get a bonafide #1 WR in here somehow.
I'm not ignoring, but I do think that player isn't available. The WRs that could be are warts city, and that's where we shouldn't volunteer spending big UFA dollars. It's the crux of the debate.
Who is that player? Golladay? Nope. Robinson? Not really. Godwin? He's getting tagged, I wager. Corey Davis? Headcase. Rinse and repeat.
1st - I don't think the "big 3" will all make it to the open market
2nd - other teams with more cap space are also going to be shopping for that limited crop of players
I also have serious concerns about the Waddle/Smith (what's the difference between those guys and Shepard/SLayton) and Pitts (1st rd TE bust at an outrageous rate).
I know that the priority of this offseason seems to be getting DJ some offensive weapons - but when I look at the options - I feel like they're trying to shove a square peg into a round hole.
1st - I don't think the "big 3" will all make it to the open market
2nd - other teams with more cap space are also going to be shopping for that limited crop of players
But the offensive challenges could be solved with other material investments outside of acquiring a true #1 WR, and I'm just spit-balling here, with:
-- A Thuney or a Trent Williams to bolster the OL
-- A Schuster, Samuels, Bourne, Watkins, etc combo to upgrade WR.
It's just as important in 2021 in finding out what we have in Daniel Jones as it is to winning.
Because of his uninspiring play, we are in a very tough spot...
I do think we need to bring in the proverbial”professional “ wr along with draft a WR in first two rds
Heck I am down with another wr in mid rds too
If there is real depth in the draft at war, use it
To help out jones though, we need a vet also. Someone to hit the ground running
Who knows how quickly a rookie adapts
Would be fine with waddle, Wyatt Davis wr and TE in first 4 rds
Fill in defense with a couple mid tier FA moves
Martinez was a meh move when I first read it, turned out much better than I expected
Bradbury surpassed expectations too.
I know we all want to see the Giants make significant and strategic additions during UFA, but retaining LW and adding some veteran depth is going to eat much of the cap space they open up. Maybe they let Tomlinson go and sign an Edge or a second tier WR.
I agree, but I would not be surprised if Solder believes he can get a better deal in FA than he will from the Giants when they request a pay cut. In other words, Solder will refuse the Giants pay cut offer so that the Giants will be forced to cut him, and then he'll sign somewhere else.
I can see the Giants extending Zeitler to 2022 so that they are not stuck with only one OG (Lemieux) if they decide not to offer Hernandez a 2nd contract.