I think he's no better than a 3/4, and he's a Turf Toe or a Ding away from GONE. I'd rather Sign Samuelson and "another Professional", add them as ready to contribute to the existing Slayton, Pettis "Guys in the room mix"....and add a Talent as the #1 or 2 pick.
I'd rather "start" with something like Samuel, Marvin Jones, Slayton, Pettis Plus a WR Draft and the rest of the room.
What are the Cut and Cap options on Shep?
So you probably use $12-15M more in 2021 cap space and get a marginal improvement in exchange.
I don't love any of the top WR targets (Robinson, Golladay, Godwin), but if I'm spending that much cap room on a WR, I'd rather it be one of them. At least then you're getting a legit #1 WR, albeit more of a top 15-25 guy than an elite WR.
He'll probably get multiyear offers, but I'd rather do that (or Corey Davis on a 1 yr deal).
So you probably use $12-15M more in 2021 cap space and get a marginal improvement in exchange.
I don't love any of the top WR targets (Robinson, Golladay, Godwin), but if I'm spending that much cap room on a WR, I'd rather it be one of them. At least then you're getting a legit #1 WR, albeit more of a top 15-25 guy than an elite WR.
Thanks for the Math!...at a $12-15 million "Trade". I'd LOVE Samuel and Marvin, with a Shep Exit...add a Drafted wideout and Slayton, Pettis, Plus "the room".... that's a big change in talent and upside.
That being said, you do not cut the one guy that catches the ball when thrown to him. And yes he belongs in the slot.
well for one, the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season. He is I believe a top 25 paid WR in football as of today.. and he plays like a JAG
Defense is the side we need to get THE guy as we really are one stud playmaker from a top 10/top 5 Defense. Offense we are still building BUT (and I know some will disagree) we have a set of major pillars in place- QB (who the team believes in), RB (though coming off injury), LT (being such a high pick), Center (developing but showed enough in first year at the position to believe he is the guy). So we have "parts" at WR - Shep, Slayton. We have to assume that EE is at TE (though dear god I can't stand him) so we really need more parts than STUD at the moment on offense.
If we can get a play maker at edge and maybe other LB'er we will see a huge improvement.
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production
well for one, the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season. He is I believe a top 25 paid WR in football as of today.. and he plays like a JAG
And who on on this list do you want to replace him with that will be 9-10 million? The Giants aren't strapped for cash. We have PLENTY of money next year, and have always been smart about signings and moving money around. Getting rid of Shep just creates ANOTHER hole on this team
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Exactly ... Managing the cap is important and they have got it better but still needs work ... HOWEVER to get better at a decent clip some $$$ has to be spent. Going for the sexy position/player in FA (and draft) is dicey, unfortunately that is where we are. We need a ER, CB and WR. To really se what we have in Jones we need to get him he help. As it stands now Slayton can imporve and still become a player that can be a 1 he still has decent untapped potential. Shep is what he is. If they stay as is
getting a true #1WR (#11 and/or FA) and some depth fixes (cluster draft rd 3 thru 5) the corp. Barring we go Surtain at #11.
Exactly ... Managing the cap is important and they have gotten it better but still needs work ... HOWEVER to get better at a decent clip some $$$ has to be spent. Going for the sexy position/player in FA (and draft) is dicey, unfortunately that is where we are. We need an ER, CB and WR. To really see what we have in Jones we need to get him the help he needs. As it stands now Slayton can imporve and still become a player that can be a 1 he still has decent untapped potential. Shep is what he is. If they stay as is
getting a true #1WR (#11 and/or FA) and some depth fixes (cluster draft rd 3 thru 5) the corp. Barring we go Surtain at #11.
Is there a replacement on the roster?
Are there players available who will cost the same money but have a bigger upside?
Are there BETTER players available at a reasonable increased cost?
Is the player unreliable or too big a headache to have around?
If “no” is the answer, then why replace him?
If “yes” is the answer to any of the questions, or if the answer changes in the future (for example, after the draft), then you consider releasing that player.
Shepard is a “no” all the way.
that being said. his best position is slot. they should not avoid drafting a slot wr because shep is on the roster.
they should NOT sign samuel. he's going to be significantly overpaid. and he's not anything special either. he will be overpaid for mediocre production.
-He's played a full slate of games 2 times in 5 seasons.
-Has a history now of head injuries.
-He's never had more than 66 rec and 872 yrds.
I"ll give you that he's a great dude, plays with juice and is a great blocker...but his primary job is to catch the ball and make explosive plays...
Pretty sure his production can be replaced for less than $9 mil.
I will say, however, he seems like a much more likely cap casualty next year. From a cap prospective - it makes more sense.
One of the best slot receivers in the NFL? Oh my Lord.
Shocking.
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production
well for one, the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season. He is I believe a top 25 paid WR in football as of today.. and he plays like a JAG
"the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season."
As far as missing games every season, maybe you can name some receivers that had three concussions the previous year but came back and played the whole year after with good production, or anything near Shepard's 2020 production. If you equate Shep's 2020 performance with JAG I don't know what to tell you. Shep was the absolute go to guy in every key situation and delivered...reliably. He hustled. He made exceptional cuts to get open. He was where the QB expected him to be. He wasn't expected to score TD's but sure as hell moved the chains when called on. Move the chains. Give the offense another chance. Not sure what you were watching.
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production
well for one, the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season. He is I believe a top 25 paid WR in football as of today.. and he plays like a JAG
"the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season."
As far as missing games every season, maybe you can name some receivers that had three concussions the previous year but came back and played the whole year after with good production, or anything near Shepard's 2020 production. If you equate Shep's 2020 performance with JAG I don't know what to tell you. Shep was the absolute go to guy in every key situation and delivered...reliably. He hustled. He made exceptional cuts to get open. He was where the QB expected him to be. He wasn't expected to score TD's but sure as hell moved the chains when called on. Move the chains. Give the offense another chance. Not sure what you were watching.
Also weird, that the giants just insist on overpaying every single player that hits or is about to hit FA. They just blindly overpay them all, every single one! Wonder why. I mean it’s not like the giants want to overpay. Could it be agents and negotiating and stop me if this sounds crazy, but could be the NY market and cost of living here???? Nah, can’t be that. The giants are just dumb. They WANT to overpay. They don’t care. Always negotiating against themselves... I bet DG likes pissing off Mara and wasting his money, Am i right?
It’s not like every other NYC metro area team seems to overpay in FA as well, nah, never. It’s cheaper to live here in this area! I’m sure player agents never bring this up.
Not a theory that’s going to jive with some here. And yes, shepard is one of many who fans insist is overpaid around here.