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Sterling Shep...Cap opportunities?

Rafflee : 3/4/2021 8:03 am
I think he's no better than a 3/4, and he's a Turf Toe or a Ding away from GONE. I'd rather Sign Samuelson and "another Professional", add them as ready to contribute to the existing Slayton, Pettis "Guys in the room mix"....and add a Talent as the #1 or 2 pick.

I'd rather "start" with something like Samuel, Marvin Jones, Slayton, Pettis Plus a WR Draft and the rest of the room.

What are the Cut and Cap options on Shep?
If the Giants make a decision to cut Shep...  
BamaBlue : 3/4/2021 8:06 am : link
I think they will make Jaylen Waddle their target at #11. Seems like Waddle is an upgrade to Shep.
I don't see Shep's contract being changed  
JonC : 3/4/2021 8:09 am : link
or him going anywhere.
ive been on board with Marvin Jones on a 1 year deal  
Tuckrule : 3/4/2021 8:10 am : link
saying shep is a 3/4 at best is plain wrong. Hes an elite route runner who was asked to be the X WR. he was playing out of position and had a very nice season. It isnt sheps fault we have nobody who can beat press coverage
JUJU in a down market... Prove it deal?  
Rafflee : 3/4/2021 8:10 am : link
is that an imoossibility?...would he trust this team for him to re-establish value for a bigger 2022 market?
cutting Shepard saves only $3M  
giants#1 : 3/4/2021 8:14 am : link
Marvin Jones alone will eat up all those savings and then some and Samuel will likely cost at least $8-10M per that Shepard is signed for.

So you probably use $12-15M more in 2021 cap space and get a marginal improvement in exchange.

I don't love any of the top WR targets (Robinson, Golladay, Godwin), but if I'm spending that much cap room on a WR, I'd rather it be one of them. At least then you're getting a legit #1 WR, albeit more of a top 15-25 guy than an elite WR.
RE: JUJU in a down market... Prove it deal?  
giants#1 : 3/4/2021 8:15 am : link
In comment 15166514 Rafflee said:
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is that an imoossibility?...would he trust this team for him to re-establish value for a bigger 2022 market?


He'll probably get multiyear offers, but I'd rather do that (or Corey Davis on a 1 yr deal).
RE: cutting Shepard saves only $3M  
Rafflee : 3/4/2021 8:20 am : link
In comment 15166520 giants#1 said:
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Marvin Jones alone will eat up all those savings and then some and Samuel will likely cost at least $8-10M per that Shepard is signed for.

So you probably use $12-15M more in 2021 cap space and get a marginal improvement in exchange.

I don't love any of the top WR targets (Robinson, Golladay, Godwin), but if I'm spending that much cap room on a WR, I'd rather it be one of them. At least then you're getting a legit #1 WR, albeit more of a top 15-25 guy than an elite WR.


Thanks for the Math!...at a $12-15 million "Trade". I'd LOVE Samuel and Marvin, with a Shep Exit...add a Drafted wideout and Slayton, Pettis, Plus "the room".... that's a big change in talent and upside.
All players get dinged  
section125 : 3/4/2021 8:23 am : link
up a bit.
That being said, you do not cut the one guy that catches the ball when thrown to him. And yes he belongs in the slot.
he's worth the money  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2021 8:28 am : link
when he isn't injured, especially moving back to the slot. He's a chain mover and Jones likes throwing to him. The health is a huge IF though. Its likely a risk we just have to accept taking this year since the cost savings of cutting isn't really worth it. Next year is the year to cut him if he isn't healthy - $6.5m savings.
I don't understand all the hate with Shep.  
olivert1985 : 3/4/2021 8:29 am : link
He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production
RE: I don't understand all the hate with Shep.  
TommyWiseau : 3/4/2021 8:42 am : link
In comment 15166535 olivert1985 said:
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production


well for one, the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season. He is I believe a top 25 paid WR in football as of today.. and he plays like a JAG
Samuelson?  
jvm52106 : 3/4/2021 8:53 am : link
Samuels sure.. Shep is on the team for one more year as the slot. Slayton on the outside and a FA or draft pick at the other outside receiver. I do think we can get some real help at WR without breaking the bank on one guy.

Defense is the side we need to get THE guy as we really are one stud playmaker from a top 10/top 5 Defense. Offense we are still building BUT (and I know some will disagree) we have a set of major pillars in place- QB (who the team believes in), RB (though coming off injury), LT (being such a high pick), Center (developing but showed enough in first year at the position to believe he is the guy). So we have "parts" at WR - Shep, Slayton. We have to assume that EE is at TE (though dear god I can't stand him) so we really need more parts than STUD at the moment on offense.

If we can get a play maker at edge and maybe other LB'er we will see a huge improvement.
Shep plays  
Straw Hat : 3/4/2021 9:25 am : link
With juice. You need guys like that. Keep him.
RE: RE: I don't understand all the hate with Shep.  
olivert1985 : 3/4/2021 9:25 am : link
In comment 15166551 TommyWiseau said:
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production



well for one, the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season. He is I believe a top 25 paid WR in football as of today.. and he plays like a JAG



And who on on this list do you want to replace him with that will be 9-10 million? The Giants aren't strapped for cash. We have PLENTY of money next year, and have always been smart about signings and moving money around. Getting rid of Shep just creates ANOTHER hole on this team
FA WRs - ( New Window )
That should say "Abrams knows how to move money around"..  
olivert1985 : 3/4/2021 9:26 am : link
Because we have NOT been "smart" about some signings haha
RE: I don't understand all the hate with Shep.  
MotownGIANTS : 3/4/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15166535 olivert1985 said:
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production


Exactly ... Managing the cap is important and they have got it better but still needs work ... HOWEVER to get better at a decent clip some $$$ has to be spent. Going for the sexy position/player in FA (and draft) is dicey, unfortunately that is where we are. We need a ER, CB and WR. To really se what we have in Jones we need to get him he help. As it stands now Slayton can imporve and still become a player that can be a 1 he still has decent untapped potential. Shep is what he is. If they stay as is
getting a true #1WR (#11 and/or FA) and some depth fixes (cluster draft rd 3 thru 5) the corp. Barring we go Surtain at #11.
RE: I don't understand all the hate with Shep.  
MotownGIANTS : 3/4/2021 10:01 am : link
In comment 15166535 olivert1985 said:
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production


Exactly ... Managing the cap is important and they have gotten it better but still needs work ... HOWEVER to get better at a decent clip some $$$ has to be spent. Going for the sexy position/player in FA (and draft) is dicey, unfortunately that is where we are. We need an ER, CB and WR. To really see what we have in Jones we need to get him the help he needs. As it stands now Slayton can imporve and still become a player that can be a 1 he still has decent untapped potential. Shep is what he is. If they stay as is
getting a true #1WR (#11 and/or FA) and some depth fixes (cluster draft rd 3 thru 5) the corp. Barring we go Surtain at #11.
Really tired of reading these types of questions about cutting players  
Ivan15 : 3/4/2021 10:04 am : link
Answer these questions with a “yes” or “no”

Is there a replacement on the roster?
Are there players available who will cost the same money but have a bigger upside?
Are there BETTER players available at a reasonable increased cost?
Is the player unreliable or too big a headache to have around?

If “no” is the answer, then why replace him?
If “yes” is the answer to any of the questions, or if the answer changes in the future (for example, after the draft), then you consider releasing that player.

Shepard is a “no” all the way.
his contract is not conducive to cutting or trading him  
GiantsFan84 : 3/4/2021 10:11 am : link
they are stuck with him right now.

that being said. his best position is slot. they should not avoid drafting a slot wr because shep is on the roster.

they should NOT sign samuel. he's going to be significantly overpaid. and he's not anything special either. he will be overpaid for mediocre production.
Really ...  
Dnew15 : 3/4/2021 10:13 am : link
Shep is a "no" all the way around?

-He's played a full slate of games 2 times in 5 seasons.
-Has a history now of head injuries.
-He's never had more than 66 rec and 872 yrds.


I"ll give you that he's a great dude, plays with juice and is a great blocker...but his primary job is to catch the ball and make explosive plays...

Pretty sure his production can be replaced for less than $9 mil.

I will say, however, he seems like a much more likely cap casualty next year. From a cap prospective - it makes more sense.
Thank God fans dont run teams  
blueblood : 3/4/2021 10:34 am : link
fans would create holes to try to fix holes by making bigger holes.
The expectations for Shep here are ridiculous  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/4/2021 11:35 am : link
He's one of the best slot receivers in the NFL, who gives you some flexibility to play outside (although not all that well). He's a good blocker as well so you can throw him out there in two tight WR sets. Yeah he's been injured, but to view him just as a number 3/4 WR in the today's NFL is asinine. Cole Beasley just went all pro to show you how important the NFL views these guys now. Injuries have been a concern, but I'd like to see what he looks like when he gets to primarily play in the slot in a functioning offense.
RE: The expectations for Shep here are ridiculous  
Danny Kanell : 3/4/2021 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15166722 Zeke's Alibi said:
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He's one of the best slot receivers in the NFL, who gives you some flexibility to play outside (although not all that well). He's a good blocker as well so you can throw him out there in two tight WR sets. Yeah he's been injured, but to view him just as a number 3/4 WR in the today's NFL is asinine. Cole Beasley just went all pro to show you how important the NFL views these guys now. Injuries have been a concern, but I'd like to see what he looks like when he gets to primarily play in the slot in a functioning offense.


One of the best slot receivers in the NFL? Oh my Lord.
Shep is not going anywhere  
ZogZerg : 3/4/2021 12:06 pm : link
..
Hes one of the best  
TommyWiseau : 3/4/2021 12:42 pm : link
At not being on the field. Cole Beasley is getting much less money then Shep and he is 5x the player. Shep is a JAG and that's all she wrote. It may not make sense to cut him this season (cap wise) but the following year he should be a goner
I would say this  
mdthedream : 3/4/2021 1:00 pm : link
We need 4 wrs and we have 2 so add 2 more one veteran and a rookie. I don't feel like it would be good to have two many new guys at the position. I think Jones would be better off with guys he knows and a couple add on plus Barkley. Shep is great but he isn't the worst either esp if we add a number 1 type wr like Robinson or someone like him.
I think it  
Dnew15 : 3/4/2021 1:06 pm : link
would be a really shocking development for the Giants to land one of those 3 big WR.

Shocking.
Well even if its  
mdthedream : 3/4/2021 1:23 pm : link
Samuels as long as its a upgrade and we had a Top rookie.
Shepard is under-appreciated on this forum  
gogiants : 3/4/2021 7:03 pm : link
I don't know if that is a general sentiment or just vocal posters on bbi. Shepard is a clutch player on 3rd and 4th downs. His numbers there match up with fan favorite Victor Cruz. Here are the top nine players in 3rd/4th down conversions since 1994 (data available).

Shep is my favorite Giants  
adamg : 3/4/2021 7:05 pm : link
Fuck the haters.
i don't hate shep  
Rafflee : 3/4/2021 9:54 pm : link
I think he's been over rated here, but he's a professional receiver. I've always felt that he is in that Crowder/Beasely range. He doesn't have the after the catch burst and YAC that we expected...and that still lingers as a rumored strength. He's all of that and He is absent too much of the time...with some old receiver Head and Toe stuff. This is Reality, not hate.

RE: RE: I don't understand all the hate with Shep.  
Brick72 : 3/7/2021 1:20 am : link
In comment 15166551 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 15166535 olivert1985 said:
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production

well for one, the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season. He is I believe a top 25 paid WR in football as of today.. and he plays like a JAG


"the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season."

As far as missing games every season, maybe you can name some receivers that had three concussions the previous year but came back and played the whole year after with good production, or anything near Shepard's 2020 production. If you equate Shep's 2020 performance with JAG I don't know what to tell you. Shep was the absolute go to guy in every key situation and delivered...reliably. He hustled. He made exceptional cuts to get open. He was where the QB expected him to be. He wasn't expected to score TD's but sure as hell moved the chains when called on. Move the chains. Give the offense another chance. Not sure what you were watching.
RE: RE: RE: I don't understand all the hate with Shep.  
HomerJones45 : 3/7/2021 8:37 am : link
In comment 15168664 Brick72 said:
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In comment 15166535 olivert1985 said:
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He's been the "toughest" WR we have had in a while. Loves to get physical and run block, and makes the tough catches. He's making $9 million this year, wait until you see the contracts these FA wrs are going to get..... Shep at $9mil is going to look like a deal. Add a #1 wr to the mix, and its only going to help Shep and Slayton fall back to where they belong, #2/3 wrs with big production

well for one, the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season. He is I believe a top 25 paid WR in football as of today.. and he plays like a JAG



"the actual production Shep provides the team is pretty awful. That and he misses games every season."

As far as missing games every season, maybe you can name some receivers that had three concussions the previous year but came back and played the whole year after with good production, or anything near Shepard's 2020 production. If you equate Shep's 2020 performance with JAG I don't know what to tell you. Shep was the absolute go to guy in every key situation and delivered...reliably. He hustled. He made exceptional cuts to get open. He was where the QB expected him to be. He wasn't expected to score TD's but sure as hell moved the chains when called on. Move the chains. Give the offense another chance. Not sure what you were watching.
Never caught more than 66 passes, averaged less than 10 yards a catch and a longest of 29 yards. If you think that equates to with worth 9 million dollars, I don't know what to tell you. It pretty much screams JAG.
I definitely agree that Shepard is overpaid  
cosmicj : 3/7/2021 8:47 am : link
But using the yards per catch and annual receptions is not a complete enough measure of what he brings. WR production is more complex than that.
Shep is one of the better slot WRs in the game  
djm : 3/7/2021 2:07 pm : link
He’s most definitely better than a 3-4. He’s a good starting wr but should be in the slot. I also think he’s still capable of having that 90 catch 1000 yard season we’ve been waiting for, but things need to finally break right around him. On what planet is shepard a 4? That’s backup. He’s better than that.
It’s just so weird and crazy  
djm : 3/7/2021 2:19 pm : link
That no players outside the giants ever get hurt. Why only giants players? We’re so unlucky.

Also weird, that the giants just insist on overpaying every single player that hits or is about to hit FA. They just blindly overpay them all, every single one! Wonder why. I mean it’s not like the giants want to overpay. Could it be agents and negotiating and stop me if this sounds crazy, but could be the NY market and cost of living here???? Nah, can’t be that. The giants are just dumb. They WANT to overpay. They don’t care. Always negotiating against themselves... I bet DG likes pissing off Mara and wasting his money, Am i right?

It’s not like every other NYC metro area team seems to overpay in FA as well, nah, never. It’s cheaper to live here in this area! I’m sure player agents never bring this up.

Not a theory that’s going to jive with some here. And yes, shepard is one of many who fans insist is overpaid around here.


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