But not likely given his salary. Other teams would would have interest if released.
I fully understand La Conforas track record lol just wanted to pass on. Also i think a poster of BBI could speculate that if the giants had a trade partner, they’d rather do that than cut Zeitler out right.
Maybe they can extend him a year and split his current salary guaranteed this year and next year.
Should be solid come September 2035.
Maybe they can extend him a year and split his current salary guaranteed this year and next year.
Other than the guarantee, why would he do that? I think KZ is a bit overpaid at his current cap number, but he'd almost certainly get at least that over two years on the open market, IMO, and potentially more.
It feels like if we're going to extend KZ, it will likely involve additional money (although I'd expect that extra money to reside in 2022, and then we're having this same conversation a year from now).
He makes $14M and saves 12M.
They can’t do this...
‘21 $7M
‘22 $10M
‘23 $11M
Just cut Zeitler or will they try to restructure his deal?
Takes 2 to tango... he might not want to restructure/extend. Might have to just cut him.
Nothing to that Bills trade rumor I presume?
But I guess you have to free up money somehow
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next move should be to trade Engram for whatever we can get for him. Doing so saves us $6M.
Nothing to that Bills trade rumor I presume?
Not when your "source" is "Incarcerated Bob." I still think there's a chance Engram could be traded, especially on draft day.
The Giants only have six picks. Given their institutional aversion to trading down, trading players is the only other way to get more picks. Gettleman has also already done so twice, with JPP and OBJ.
Or to sign LW and a #1 WR
But I guess you have to free up money somehow
Giants can free up 40 mil easy. If they want to be buyers this season. Restructure shep. Extend peppers and trade engram. On top of cutting the bloat zit?er solder and dixon.
Me too.
Wrong side of the line. They should make room for Trent Williams or Daryl Williams and Joe Thuney.
Keeping both LW and DT is very unwise.
There is too much at stake with Jones. We're at DefCon 1 with his situation...so we can't have anymore excuses and need to bring in infantry to see if he's the guy.
Strengthen the defense and build on that unit which was strong last year. Make some supplemental moves on offense & let’s see what Jones can do.
I agree his track record is poor, but this does make sense.
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I agree his track record is poor, but this does make sense.
Well, what’s that about a blind squirrel? :)
Strengthen the defense and build on that unit which was strong last year. Make some supplemental moves on offense & let’s see what Jones can do.
Hey, you are preaching to the converted regarding what Jones should be able to do. But I don't think he's close to that level. At best, he's probably more of a game manager/game manager ; so we need to determine if that's even the case. And in 2021.
Look, we need more point per game. It's that simple. That's how you win. So the offense needs to start getting there. And that's a 26ppg threshold.
I'm at the point where I only care about four things with the D: cover corners, good tackling, great team speed, and big fat, immovable DTs to stuff the A and B gaps. I care less and less about getting sacks from high priced players. I trust a guy like Graham to scheme it up with athletes and speed.
So I don't want to waste cap money on the LW's of the world - off of only one top year - for a skill I'm not sure we really need.
He makes $14M and saves 12M.
They can’t do this...
‘21 $7M
‘22 $10M
‘23 $11M
Just cut Zeitler or will they try to restructure his deal?
He has to want to. His deal is plenty good for him right now.
Strengthen the defense and build on that unit which was strong last year. Make some supplemental moves on offense & let’s see what Jones can do.
I don't even disagree with you, but the decision is made. They have jones. They need to know as soon as they can what he is, and another year with a bad offense and no help around him is a waste year going into a contract year.
IMO that's it, almost exactly. They will move Zeitler (or just cut him) to make room for Williams AND Capt. Dalvin.
Same money +/-, but Dalvin is now the better player, as well as young and ascending, whereas Zeitler is perhaps starting to fade.
So maybe the mystery of Lemieux getting snaps over Hernandez was an investigation of the possibility of moving on from Zeitler?
They must feel pretty good about a Hernandez + Lemieux duo at OG if they are really shopping Zeitlee.
Still not crazy about a Hernandez/Lemieux tandem but there would be opportunities to upgrade. They have very limited draft resources and a boatload of holes but there will be a few starting caliber players in that 28-31 age range cut due to the salary cap Covid quirk. Carefully picking your spot there and retaining the DL is preferable to paying any of the WRs or edge players available.
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The idea of Hernandez and Lemieux is scary.
Maybe they can extend him a year and split his current salary guaranteed this year and next year.
Other than the guarantee, why would he do that? I think KZ is a bit overpaid at his current cap number, but he'd almost certainly get at least that over two years on the open market, IMO, and potentially more.
It feels like if we're going to extend KZ, it will likely involve additional money (although I'd expect that extra money to reside in 2022, and then we're having this same conversation a year from now).
Honestly I doubt he’d get more than $14 million guaranteed by anyone. He’s been at best average since he’s been here. His play has definitely on a downward trend since 2017.
If the Giants offer him $14 million guaranteed over the next two years and he says no, then they should move on.
Is that rhetorical?
Is that rhetorical?
bad cap management
Is that rhetorical?
By misevaluating the roster. When you think you're close, but you're really not, you spend where you're not supposed to.
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How does a team with 5 wins per year have so many contract-related problems?
Is that rhetorical?
By misevaluating the roster. When you think you're close, but you're really not, you spend where you're not supposed to.
Apologies...close to what?
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How does a team with 5 wins per year have so many contract-related problems?
Is that rhetorical?
By misevaluating the roster. When you think you're close, but you're really not, you spend where you're not supposed to.
Apologies...close to what?
I feel like this is covered ground, but all of this started when they jumped in with both feet trying to extend Eli's career by patching holes with duct tape. A series of decisions made with the idea that they didn't have to tear things down and make some uncomfortable decisions.
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In comment 15167210 Jimmy Googs said:
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How does a team with 5 wins per year have so many contract-related problems?
Is that rhetorical?
By misevaluating the roster. When you think you're close, but you're really not, you spend where you're not supposed to.
Apologies...close to what?
I feel like this is covered ground, but all of this started when they jumped in with both feet trying to extend Eli's career by patching holes with duct tape. A series of decisions made with the idea that they didn't have to tear things down and make some uncomfortable decisions.
Agreed. They tried to build around Eli long after they should have stopped trying to do so.
:-)
Maybe they can extend him a year and split his current salary guaranteed this year and next year.