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Rashawn Slater

Angus : 3/4/2021 7:31 pm
would go a long way toward stabilizing the OL. Adding Slater would give them three good to serviceable OTs, two centers, and three good to serviceable OGs.
Cut Nate Soldier. Keep Cody Core. Re-sign Leonard Williams and Austin Johnson. Given the current cap situation, I don't see the value of WR in free agency (or even much more than LW and AJ) . It would be either over the Giant's cap to get a good receiver, or what they get would not really be good enough to be worth a free agent signing (a redux of Golden Tate).
The Giants should be able to get a big bodied receiver in the second round like Nico Collins (my preference), or Rashod Bateman.
Everything I have seen about the Cornerback from Washington, Keith Taylor, makes me hopeful the Giants could draft him in a round that is appropriate for his value.
Re-sign LW and AJ. Draft Slater in Round 1, Collins in Round 2, and Taylor in Round 3(?) would fill a lot of holes. Later round chances on Rb, DT, and TE.
Apologies to Patrick Graham for having to go another year without a true edge rusher, but bad decisions in 2018 left the Giants without a lot of options.
I could live with that  
robbieballs2003 : 3/4/2021 7:35 pm : link
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I keep  
Professor Falken : 3/4/2021 7:47 pm : link
coming back to Slater or Surtain as the pick.
Slater seems to be flying up draft boards  
Producer : 3/4/2021 7:52 pm : link
He might go top-10. If he's there at 11 the Giants would be smart to think about taking him.
Haven't seen it said anywhere else...  
90.Cal : 3/4/2021 7:58 pm : link
...but I see Zach Martin when I see Rashawn Slater play. I believe he can be an Pro Bowl guard or tackle.

Hard for me to evaluate the opt outs, I have no idea what any of them have done through the year and how that has affected their games, if at all...
Arms  
broadbandz : 3/4/2021 8:00 pm : link
Too short for getty. He loves length.
I think it is really critical  
D HOS : 3/4/2021 8:05 pm : link
That pick #11 is legit BPA. Not that I care much what writers write about the Giants but I want to read A+ pick, best player on the board kind of thing. None of this in love, gold jacket stuff. No trying to persuade anyone this was a smart move... If the BPA is OL, that's our guy.
Slater...  
bw in dc : 3/4/2021 8:28 pm : link
should fit the Judge mold - very good football player who can play various positions. And well.
I was listening to the Giants podcast  
Jolly Blue Giant : 3/4/2021 8:36 pm : link
And they had a guest on. Sorry can’t remember his name. He said Slater was rated as a second round pick last year. Then he opted out in 2020 and some how he’s now projected as a top 15 pick. He said he can’t get an explanation on how that happened. I tjj hi ought that was interesting.
Short Arms are Definitely a Concern  
Angus : 3/4/2021 8:36 pm : link
Plug and play is important at this point, though.
Prefer CB or LB  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/4/2021 8:38 pm : link
But nobody should throw the remote over a OL . If the Giants are averaging 135 yds/gam i think two things happen. They win the division and. Jones YPA goes over 7.5 for the stat guys
he has short arms  
uconngiant : 3/4/2021 9:21 pm : link
He is not worth the pick or did people forget the last short arm player they drafted
i said this in the Zeitler thread  
Producer : 3/4/2021 9:28 pm : link
I think the Giants are taking an OL with one of the first two picks.
Slater or Sewell would definitely be in the mix  
Section331 : 3/4/2021 9:44 pm : link
if either fell to 11. Add one of those guys, cut Solder and Zeitler.
RE: i said this in the Zeitler thread  
Jimmy Googs : 3/4/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15167206 Producer said:
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I think the Giants are taking an OL with one of the first two picks.


Moving or releasing Zeitler would clearly send that type of signal.

Difficult to imagine Judge is comfortable with Hernandez, Lemieux and Peart based on last year's performances.

what position is Slater more suited to, even though he can project to either?
Here's the OL plan...  
bw in dc : 3/4/2021 10:03 pm : link
Sign Trent Williams for LT.
Move Thomas to RT.
Sign Joe Thuney for RG.
Gates stays at C.
Draft Slater for LG.

Add some second tier WRs in the free agency window, get SB healthy, and add some undrafted/late round RBs.

That should be more than enough for Jones to score points to win games...
RE: Here's the OL plan...  
Producer : 3/4/2021 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15167250 bw in dc said:
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Sign Trent Williams for LT.
Move Thomas to RT.
Sign Joe Thuney for RG.
Gates stays at C.
Draft Slater for LG.

Add some second tier WRs in the free agency window, get SB healthy, and add some undrafted/late round RBs.

That should be more than enough for Jones to score points to win games...


That's an intriguing plan, imo.
RE: RE: i said this in the Zeitler thread  
Producer : 3/4/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15167234 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15167206 Producer said:


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I think the Giants are taking an OL with one of the first two picks.



Moving or releasing Zeitler would clearly send that type of signal.

Difficult to imagine Judge is comfortable with Hernandez, Lemieux and Peart based on last year's performances.

what position is Slater more suited to, even though he can project to either?


I think he could project as both. I think this is the year they can cement the OL.
RE: RE: Here's the OL plan...  
bw in dc : 3/4/2021 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15167253 Producer said:
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In comment 15167250 bw in dc said:


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Sign Trent Williams for LT.
Move Thomas to RT.
Sign Joe Thuney for RG.
Gates stays at C.
Draft Slater for LG.

Add some second tier WRs in the free agency window, get SB healthy, and add some undrafted/late round RBs.

That should be more than enough for Jones to score points to win games...



That's an intriguing plan, imo.


And wouldn't it be great to go into each week with such an advantage at OL?

RE: Here's the OL plan...  
Jimmy Googs : 3/4/2021 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15167250 bw in dc said:
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Sign Trent Williams for LT.
Move Thomas to RT.
Sign Joe Thuney for RG.
Gates stays at C.
Draft Slater for LG.

Add some second tier WRs in the free agency window, get SB healthy, and add some undrafted/late round RBs.

That should be more than enough for Jones to score points to win games...


maybe this...

Cut Zeitler & Solder
Sign a Center in Free Agency...should be several available
Move Gates to Right Guard
Draft Slater for Right Tackle
Keep Thomas at Left Tackle
Let Hernandez and Lemieux compete for Left Guard

Swing Tackle - Peart
Swing Guard - loser of the Hern/Lem competition
Impact skill player in round #1  
Carl in CT : 3/4/2021 10:16 pm : link
I’ll take Wyatt in the second. OG problem solved.
RE: Impact skill player in round #1  
adamg : 3/4/2021 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15167269 Carl in CT said:
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I’ll take Wyatt in the second. OG problem solved.


I've been thinking this way too.

Unless Kadarius Toney falls to us in the second.

Surtain/Toney would be an awesome 1/2...
If I'm a betting man  
allstarjim : 3/4/2021 11:00 pm : link
Slater will go top 10. I said it a week or so ago. This is a high ceiling pick, and those that peg him as just a OG are wrong. He's a legit tackle prospect.
...  
ryanmkeane : 3/4/2021 11:11 pm : link
we aren’t drafting Slater
RE: ...  
Producer : 3/4/2021 11:22 pm : link
In comment 15167289 ryanmkeane said:
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we aren’t drafting Slater


I don't think he'll be there at 11 but if he is they are going to think long and hard about it especially if Zeitler is gone. It's a chance to lock down the OL.
RE: Arms  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/5/2021 2:34 am : link
In comment 15167126 broadbandz said:
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Too short for getty. He loves length.


This may be a key part of the equation especially right at the top half of the draft.

Would be quite impressed if we looked past the arm length especially with a guy that has such great tape.
He looks a lot like our own Will Hernandez in this video.  
Kev in Cali : 3/5/2021 3:14 am : link
Hawg molly, sure. But I didn't see much quickness/athleticism in this game vs Chase Young. Probably an outlier. See for yourself
Slater vs Young 2019 - ( New Window )
Slater...  
Kev in Cali : 3/5/2021 3:37 am : link
Puts himself in great placement in his 1v1 highlight reels, he looks like he's holding a bit at times. I Couldn't find any vids of negative plays or how he handled stunts/ doubles.
I wouldn't mind that  
Victor in CT : 3/5/2021 8:13 am : link
Thomas, Gates, Slater, Peart, Lemieux, Zeitler, Fleming is a pretty good group.
I'd be shocked  
JonC : 3/5/2021 8:15 am : link
if we picked him at #11.
RE: He looks a lot like our own Will Hernandez in this video.  
section125 : 3/5/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15167331 Kev in Cali said:
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Hawg molly, sure. But I didn't see much quickness/athleticism in this game vs Chase Young. Probably an outlier. See for yourself Slater vs Young 2019 - ( New Window )


That is why he is viewed as a guard in the NFL, IIRC.
RE: I'd be shocked  
BelieveJJ : 3/5/2021 8:28 am : link
In comment 15167380 JonC said:
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if we picked him at #11.


Ditto.
Slater is not a perfect fit but if he is BPA, pick him  
Ivan15 : 3/5/2021 9:23 am : link
I’m okay with going BPA in the first round, then focusing on Positions of Need and cluster drafting the rest of the way. With only 6 total picks, you can’t do a lot of cluster drafting unless you trade down in the first round.

I don’t think you send Zeitler away until you have someone on the roster to replace him. So, don’t release him until you draft a Day 1 starter. Slater could be that guy because I think he may be more guard than tackle.
I'm all for OL  
ryanmkeane : 3/5/2021 10:30 am : link
but the investments made last season with our top pick, 3rd round pick, and 5th round pick, it would not not make any sense at all to draft Slater unless you think he is absolutely far and away the best player available at that slot. And I'm not sure that's going to be the case. At minimum, he will have a similar grade as a lot of the defensive guys and skill players. I'd pass on Slater. Peart has a year under his belt and showed some things last year and he wasn't even really expected to play at all.

Unless Slater is the next Martin, you stick with the guys we have and find a mid round guy in the draft, and perhaps go after a big fish in FA.
Signing  
Toth029 : 3/5/2021 12:14 pm : link
Trent Williams and Joe Thuney will be big, big bucks. Do people not realize this?
my plan would be to cut  
ryanmkeane : 3/5/2021 12:17 pm : link
Zeitler all together and sign Thuney
RE: Signing  
bw in dc : 3/5/2021 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15167579 Toth029 said:
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Trent Williams and Joe Thuney will be big, big bucks. Do people not realize this?


I agree. But that's more important right now than re-signing LW.
Zeitler is one of the those  
ryanmkeane : 3/5/2021 1:13 pm : link
cases where he is still actually pretty good, but makes too much money, but you sort of don't want to lose him either
RE: RE: Signing  
Section331 : 3/5/2021 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15167592 bw in dc said:
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I agree. But that's more important right now than re-signing LW.


I disagree. If we lose LW, we're back to having zero pass rush.
RE: RE: RE: Signing  
bw in dc : 3/5/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15167652 Section331 said:
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In comment 15167592 bw in dc said:


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I agree. But that's more important right now than re-signing LW.



I disagree. If we lose LW, we're back to having zero pass rush.


I don't know what LW is going to be going forward after such a breakout season. Your post sort of implies we can count on LW do similar going forward. I really don't know.

But here's what I do know. Our sixth pick in the 2019 draft so far looks ordinary without a lot of help. And I frankly don't even know what he's going to look like with more help. But we have to find out in 2021. That is critical. And more critical than keep LW.
RE: Here's the OL plan...  
giantstock : 3/5/2021 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15167250 bw in dc said:
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Sign Trent Williams for LT.
Move Thomas to RT.
Sign Joe Thuney for RG.
Gates stays at C.
Draft Slater for LG.

Add some second tier WRs in the free agency window, get SB healthy, and add some undrafted/late round RBs.

That should be more than enough for Jones to score points to win games...


I replied to you another thread. I didn't see previously this.

But I don't like this. You've sold your soul for an OL because you think the QB stinks. If the QB needs THIS MUCH HELP - this if he is as bad as you think - then it doesn't matter the OL. The giants aren't going to go anywhere. Inevitably some games the OL no matter how good will get beat in the playoffs - if GMEN ever make it.

And all the other positions on this Giants team - needs help too.

You might as well draft a QB in rd 1 instead of doing what you're proposing. Other positions need to be addressed too.

RE: He looks a lot like our own Will Hernandez in this video.  
allstarjim : 3/8/2021 10:59 am : link
In comment 15167331 Kev in Cali said:
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Hawg molly, sure. But I didn't see much quickness/athleticism in this game vs Chase Young. Probably an outlier. See for yourself Slater vs Young 2019 - ( New Window )


The entire video is in slow-motion! LOL. He's getting to his spot and whipped Chase Young. He has the requisite movement ability.
RE: Here's the OL plan...  
Thegratefulhead : 3/8/2021 11:26 am : link
In comment 15167250 bw in dc said:
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Sign Trent Williams for LT.
Move Thomas to RT.
Sign Joe Thuney for RG.
Gates stays at C.
Draft Slater for LG.

Add some second tier WRs in the free agency window, get SB healthy, and add some undrafted/late round RBs.

That should be more than enough for Jones to score points to win games...
They will still run Blitz SB and force him to pass block or dance. DJ has to prove he can beat that. Those five men, as good as they are will still have trouble blocking 8.
RE: RE: Here's the OL plan...  
90.Cal : 3/8/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15169528 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 15167250 bw in dc said:


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Sign Trent Williams for LT.
Move Thomas to RT.
Sign Joe Thuney for RG.
Gates stays at C.
Draft Slater for LG.

Add some second tier WRs in the free agency window, get SB healthy, and add some undrafted/late round RBs.

That should be more than enough for Jones to score points to win games...

They will still run Blitz SB and force him to pass block or dance. DJ has to prove he can beat that. Those five men, as good as they are will still have trouble blocking 8.


If the Giants keep putting Saquon in the backfield to pass block instead of shifting him out wide and daring someone to cover him 1v1 then I'm putting a hit out on Jason Garrett... if teams line up to all out blitz us then we should be getting at the very least one on ones with Saquon every time and we should be making them pay every time...
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