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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 10:16 am
Well anyone actually thoight the Knicks would be in this spot halfway through? nope

Second half starts with a tough 4 game trip and ends with a tough 6 game west coast trip, but in between the Knicks are playing a bunch of games with the teams right above and right below the Knicks in the standings. Knicks are going to have to win a lot of those games.

Do the Knicks make a move to improve the rostet or do they ride it out? i would be shocked if they didnt make a move, not a blockbuster, but another incremental move like the Rose deal.

Does Frank somehow get into the rotation? Who does he take out? I know everyone wants him to take over for Bullock, the way Frank has been shooting i could see it..
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Gotta  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 11:45 am : link
be honest, had no idea TJ McConnell was such a good player. Kind of under my radar. 9 steals in the first half the other day! NINE! He seemingly would be a very solid grab for the Knicks
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 11:47 am : link
In comment 15167557 DanMetroMan said:
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be honest, had no idea TJ McConnell was such a good player. Kind of under my radar. 9 steals in the first half the other day! NINE! He seemingly would be a very solid grab for the Knicks


Whenever I watched the 76ers, he stood out. A high intensity guy off the bench. Obviously not the most skilled guy in the world, but he brings it every game & makes an impact.
Obi and  
TommyWiseau : 3/5/2021 11:48 am : link
picks for Lavine? I would be down
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 11:51 am : link
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be honest, had no idea TJ McConnell was such a good player. Kind of under my radar. 9 steals in the first half the other day! NINE! He seemingly would be a very solid grab for the Knicks



Whenever I watched the 76ers, he stood out. A high intensity guy off the bench. Obviously not the most skilled guy in the world, but he brings it every game & makes an impact.


Check out this article on him.

"Per 36 minutes, McConnell has averaged 1.50 steals from bad passes. That ranks No. 1 overall.

Behind the former undrafted free agent was six-time NBA All-Defensive guard Tony Allen (1.48) and then four-time NBA All-Defensive wing Doug Christie (1.40). To put those numbers in perspective, take a look at the rates from contemporary elite defenders such as Marcus Smart (1.26) and Kawhi Leonard (1.22).

Counting stats, like steals, are not the only way to define a good defender. But when someone’s productivity is elite, that certainly says something about them as a player. In this case, it says that the passing lane is simply not safe anywhere near McConnell."
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LaVine  
Dr. D : 3/5/2021 12:09 pm : link
I don't watch as much NBA as most here (this is the most I've watched the Knicks prolly in 20 yrs), but just looking at LaVine's stats - sign me the f up!

What's the best way to get him? Can we wait til he's a FA? Are the Bulls looking to move or re-sign him?

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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:12 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski: Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin has agreed to a contract buyout with the Detroit Pistons and will become an unrestricted free agent, sources tell ESPN.
– via Twitter wojespn
the Knox thing is way worse than  
ryanmkeane : 3/5/2021 12:15 pm : link
Frank and that's hard to accomplish. At least with Frank, we can play a few minutes and contribute on defense. Knox literally does nothing well on the basketball court, it's uncanny. Ugh, Bridges and SGA went the two picks after too. Couldn't have turned out worse.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:20 pm : link
Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15167576 DanMetroMan said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski: Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin has agreed to a contract buyout with the Detroit Pistons and will become an unrestricted free agent, sources tell ESPN.
– via Twitter wojespn


He is dunzo.
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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15167585 DanMetroMan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.


This was out there a couple of weeks ago as well
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15167585 DanMetroMan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.


When did KAT become untouchable? I know MN isn't a sexy FA destination, but KAT isn't s superstar by any means.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:26 pm : link
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Adrian Wojnarowski: Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin has agreed to a contract buyout with the Detroit Pistons and will become an unrestricted free agent, sources tell ESPN.
– via Twitter wojespn



He is dunzo.


Mostly. But makes sense for a contender off the bench.
I would like to see IQ’s role  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/5/2021 12:27 pm : link
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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 12:27 pm : link
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.



When did KAT become untouchable? I know MN isn't a sexy FA destination, but KAT isn't s superstar by any means.


I dont like Kat as well but if you can get him and keep Rj and Quick i would do it and not think twice and i am not a fan of his at all..

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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15167590 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.



When did KAT become untouchable? I know MN isn't a sexy FA destination, but KAT isn't s superstar by any means.


He's flawed (his defense has been awful" but "isn't a superstar by any means" is silly. Career 23 and 12 53/40/83% shooting, career 25.0 PER, .194 WS/48, he's 25
I was all about Beal  
GMEN46 : 3/5/2021 12:28 pm : link
But I have really been impressed with Lavine, he has improved every year and I think with good coaching could become an average defender. I am all in on signing him in 2022 or trading Obi, knox, and 2 first rounders before then
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Jon in NYC : 3/5/2021 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15167590 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.



When did KAT become untouchable? I know MN isn't a sexy FA destination, but KAT isn't s superstar by any means.


He absolutely is a superstar. Last year he averaged 27, 10, 4.5 with outstanding shooting %. He would be 10th right now in scoring based on those numbers.
Dan...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 12:30 pm : link
You're probably right; I'm just a not fan of his game @ all. He is a complete joke on defense too.
For  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:31 pm : link
comparisons sake Ama're through age 25

21 and 9 54% from the field, .190 WS/48, 22.9 PER, and poor defense. Was Amar'e a "superstar" in his prime? If so, then so is KAT.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15167600 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You're probably right; I'm just a not fan of his game @ all. He is a complete joke on defense too.


No defending his defense. Not even going to try to. He's a poor defender, he should be better at it, and seems like a good person (much like Amar'e) but the defense is atrocious.
Might  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:32 pm : link
just mean he's a good dude to hang out with but the "biggest" stars have been really hyping up LaVine and his development.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 12:34 pm : link
As much as I'm not a fan, I would second nygiants16...if I could get KAT without giving up RJ/IQ, I would do that in a second.

KAT seems like a good dude & I feel absolutely terrible for what he's dealt with these past 12 months. I believe he's lost something like 7 family members-including his mother-to COVID. Isn't he from Jersey? Would be a homecoming of sorts too. He's also super young. He's just gotta up his defense significantly.
KAT  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:38 pm : link
doesn't have the quickest of feet, so that surely impacts his defense, and he sucked with Thibs (defensively) so I don't know that there is much that can be done regarding his defense but at the right price he'd be a big-time addition. 25 years old, big-time production, born and raised in NJ. I'd be beyond pissed if Riley landed him for Tyler Herro and scraps.
Could you see the Knicks signing a C?  
Anakim : 3/5/2021 12:43 pm : link
Drummond, Cousins, maybe even Griffin (granted he's more of a PF)?
Noel and Mitch are a perfect compliment  
Earl the goat : 3/5/2021 12:51 pm : link
To each other. Trading for Kat would backfire I believe
I’d rather go get Zack Obi. Knox. Elgrid and draft picks

If more depth at center is needed I’d love to see them get Bamba
I think any of these buyout guys...  
Italianju : 3/5/2021 12:53 pm : link
will ring chase. At least one ends up in BKN im sure. Drummond being that he will still get a descent new deal newt year will probably factor in more stuff like minutes and fit then Blake or cousins at this point.

For the record Drummond is the only one id want. Wouldnt hate cousins, but not thrilled. No interest in Blake, just didnt fit.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 12:55 pm : link
Mark Stein says both LA teams, Nets, Warriors, & Heat have all shown interest in Griffin.
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Anakim : 3/5/2021 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15167622 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Mark Stein says both LA teams, Nets, Warriors, & Heat have all shown interest in Griffin.




Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania

The Brooklyn Nets are believed to be leaders to sign six-time All-Star Blake Griffin, sources tell me and
@JLEdwardsIII
. Rival teams with interest are expecting Griffin to choose Nets as a title favorite for chance to win a championship.
With the emergence of Claxton  
nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 1:06 pm : link
you would think thr Nets would be more interested in Griffin than Drummond
Unless the Lakers have some countermoves  
bceagle05 : 3/5/2021 1:11 pm : link
the Nets are the pretty clear favorites for the title - Harris, Brown, Claxton, Griffin, Jordan, Shamet, etc. is more than enough of a supporting cast for KD, Harden and Kyrie.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 1:13 pm : link
A lot hinges on AD's health. If he isn't 100%, I don't think the Lakers are the favorites.
Yeah, the Clippers and Utah are threats to the Lakers  
bceagle05 : 3/5/2021 1:19 pm : link
and could give the Nets a tough time, but the Nets are just stacked.
There is only 2 teams in the east who i think  
nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 1:20 pm : link
could give the Nets trouble..

The Sixers because they are big, play defense and have the better coach

The heat if they get healthy, they are athletic, have good defenders, Butler is clutch and they have a better coach..
I was going to try to do a trade for Zach LaVine,  
Jan in DC : 3/5/2021 1:32 pm : link
but ESPN's trade machine doesn't even list him on the Bulls.

I know they're at a point where they have to make a decision on Markkanen. Wonder if there's a trade there to get both of them.
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Heisenberg : 3/5/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15167674 Jan in DC said:
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but ESPN's trade machine doesn't even list him on the Bulls.

I know they're at a point where they have to make a decision on Markkanen. Wonder if there's a trade there to get both of them.


Hard to believe he's available in a rebuilding type trade, honestly.
Beal  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 1:51 pm : link
again stated he wants to remain with the Wizards and that he and Lillard have discussed this topic often.

“Those conversations were great. … We always say, it’s always easy to jump on the other side with two, three other guys who are really good, but at the same time, that grass isn’t always greener,” Beal said. “We’ve seen that. History has shown that.”

The Wizards have given him some say on the roster

“That’s kinda unicorn-type shit,” he said. “Not many guys could say who they want on their team. Not many guys have the opportunity to have the team built around them. So, you can’t just overlook those things.”
I would love for Beal and Lillard to lead this revolution.  
bceagle05 : 3/5/2021 2:05 pm : link
I feel like Giannis is the key though - if he turns around and demands a trade in a year or two, we're probaby looking at another generation of superstars teaming up.
If Beal wants to stay in that basketball wasteland, he can  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/5/2021 2:17 pm : link
But watch him run to Miami when he actually does get sick of it. And he will.
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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15167709 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But watch him run to Miami when he actually does get sick of it. And he will.


I was listening to the cowherd show about a month ago and Joy Taylor made a great point, some players jist dont care about championships and their legacy, they are happy in the city they are in and dont want to leave
Griffin  
TyreeHelmet : 3/5/2021 2:26 pm : link
Expected to sign in Brooklyn. Does that even help them? Its no risk for Brooklyn I just don't see him playing a major role come playoff time.
is Beal eligible for an extension any time soon?  
Enzo : 3/5/2021 2:31 pm : link
If so, he can very easily commit to Washington beyond his current deal.
RE: is Beal eligible for an extension any time soon?  
nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15167724 Enzo said:
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If so, he can very easily commit to Washington beyond his current deal.


I believe he signed an extension last offseason, so im not sure when he is next eligible
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Ten Ton Hammer : 3/5/2021 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15167715 nygiants16 said:
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But watch him run to Miami when he actually does get sick of it. And he will.



I was listening to the cowherd show about a month ago and Joy Taylor made a great point, some players jist dont care about championships and their legacy, they are happy in the city they are in and dont want to leave


She is right, of course. If he's happy there then bless him. Ray Allen didn't start chasing rings until his mid-30s either.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/6/2021 11:21 am : link
The Athletic had a good article on Dame & Beal choosing to stick with the teams that drafted them, that they want to build winners there.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/7/2021 5:13 pm : link
Per Shams, it looks like Blake will sign with the Nets.
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nygiants16 : 3/7/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15168990 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Per Shams, it looks like Blake will sign with the Nets.


I dont see how he helps them
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/7/2021 5:53 pm : link
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Per Shams, it looks like Blake will sign with the Nets.



I dont see how he helps them


I think Blake is all but done so I don't think this is a major add, but the Nets...it's championship or bust with this group.
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nygiants16 : 3/7/2021 6:04 pm : link
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Per Shams, it looks like Blake will sign with the Nets.



I dont see how he helps them



I think Blake is all but done so I don't think this is a major add, but the Nets...it's championship or bust with this group.


They need bigs, but they need defenders, athletic wings..
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/7/2021 7:01 pm : link
They'll add pieces. I don't Brooklyn is done yet. As much as I don't like/his game, Harden has been sensational for them.
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nygiants16 : 3/7/2021 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15169068 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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They'll add pieces. I don't Brooklyn is done yet. As much as I don't like/his game, Harden has been sensational for them.


Yeah Harden has been fantastic and Irving is better when he just has to go out and score..

I dont know what they can do trade wise but maybe add 1 more on the buyout market
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