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NFT: Knicks chat: 19-18, all star break 5th seed

nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 10:16 am
Well anyone actually thoight the Knicks would be in this spot halfway through? nope

Second half starts with a tough 4 game trip and ends with a tough 6 game west coast trip, but in between the Knicks are playing a bunch of games with the teams right above and right below the Knicks in the standings. Knicks are going to have to win a lot of those games.

Do the Knicks make a move to improve the rostet or do they ride it out? i would be shocked if they didnt make a move, not a blockbuster, but another incremental move like the Rose deal.

Does Frank somehow get into the rotation? Who does he take out? I know everyone wants him to take over for Bullock, the way Frank has been shooting i could see it..
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 10:20 am : link
Great first half. I couldn't have asked for more. Second half will be tougher; hoping IQ's PT ticks up. I am a hard no on a deal for KAT, which we've seen some smoke on.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 10:25 am : link
RJ Barrett's last 26 games:

16.8 PPG
5.3 RPG
2.7 APG
48.4 FG%
46.6 3P%
75.6 FT%
56.7 TS%
53.3 eFG%
I have been completely hard on Rj  
nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 10:26 am : link
he has played really well and with that 3 ball, if he keeps shooting it consistently that would be huge for this team..

You can see the spacing has been a 100 times better because you now have 3 threats from 3 and when Rose is out there it is 4..
Knox  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 10:27 am : link
0 minutes played in a game they cruised to victory. Boy was I wrong about his suckage lol


-Randle says he wants to be a Knick for life
What  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 10:32 am : link
about Lowry on a 2 year deal after the season? Guy is still a stud, he's a winner and a "local" (Philly)
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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15167479 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Great first half. I couldn't have asked for more. Second half will be tougher; hoping IQ's PT ticks up. I am a hard no on a deal for KAT, which we've seen some smoke on.


I think the break is going to be really good for IQ, get a little rest, recalibrate his shot and the floater and come back fresh, Knicks need his shooting off the bench
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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15167495 DanMetroMan said:
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about Lowry on a 2 year deal after the season? Guy is still a stud, he's a winner and a "local" (Philly)


maybe unrealistic, but i go hard after Holiday
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 10:34 am : link
In comment 15167497 nygiants16 said:
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about Lowry on a 2 year deal after the season? Guy is still a stud, he's a winner and a "local" (Philly)



maybe unrealistic, but i go hard after Holiday


Still think Holiday stays. I know Lowry is older than ideal but he's still VERY good. Tough-hard nosed winner. I think he'd be a nice fit on a 1 or 2 year deal.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 10:34 am : link
Lots of talk about Lowry possibly ending up in Philly before the deadline. The Raps have played better lately after a disastrous start.
I think we all agree we don't want the front office  
mfsd : 3/5/2021 10:36 am : link
to get too excited and blow the rebuild by emptying the draft pick tank and cap room for the wrong player.

But, with Randle and RJ playing like this, add a legit all-star scorer and we suddenly have a triumvirate that could have the Knicks in serious contention.

Amazing what a difference having a first-rate coach and staff has done for this team.
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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15167499 DanMetroMan said:
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about Lowry on a 2 year deal after the season? Guy is still a stud, he's a winner and a "local" (Philly)



maybe unrealistic, but i go hard after Holiday



Still think Holiday stays. I know Lowry is older than ideal but he's still VERY good. Tough-hard nosed winner. I think he'd be a nice fit on a 1 or 2 year deal.


I havnt watched enough of the Raptors, do you think he has 2 high quality years left?

i think Bucks get knocked out first round..
RE: I think we all agree we don't want the front office  
nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15167502 mfsd said:
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to get too excited and blow the rebuild by emptying the draft pick tank and cap room for the wrong player.

But, with Randle and RJ playing like this, add a legit all-star scorer and we suddenly have a triumvirate that could have the Knicks in serious contention.

Amazing what a difference having a first-rate coach and staff has done for this team.


If you added an all star to Rj and Randle and didnt empty the depth, no one would want to play the Knicks in the playoffs except maybe Brooklyn..

That is why i want to take a chance on Oladipo if it doesnt cost you a lot, worst case he sucks and he leaves via free agency
if Frank's  
Enzo : 3/5/2021 10:46 am : link
3 pt shooting is a real thing going forward, they need to think about keeping him beyond this year.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 10:46 am : link
don't see any reason other than #LOLKNICKS to believe Lowry declines significantly within the next 2 seasons. On the year 46/40/86% shooting, 17.4 PER (career 18.3), .140 WS/48. I think the Knicks are finally in position that adding a good veteran makes sense and Lowry is just that. The guy can still play at a high level.
Barrett's dribble penetration game  
bigbluehoya : 3/5/2021 11:02 am : link
has improved significantly, in addition to his shooting.

He's added some UB strength and it's shown up in his ability to take contact and get to the rim.

If he can add just a little bit of explosiveness once he gets into the lane...
the way frank has played there is zero reason that bullock..  
Italianju : 3/5/2021 11:04 am : link
should play over him, other then Thibs love for bullock. At best bullock is a little better 3pt shooter. BUT Frank is still a guy with some upside, im not a frank fan, but its hard not to be impressed with how he has played the last few. Bullock is what he is, a guy who can hit wide open 3s at an ok clip and play ok D.
traditionally guards  
Enzo : 3/5/2021 11:05 am : link
don't do well as they reach their mid 30s. But that doesn't seem to be the case as much these days (CP3, Dragic, Lowry, Conley) so maybe Lowry still has good years left. However giving him anything more than a one year deal obviously eats into cap space for summer of 2022 when there might actually be some premium talent available. That same summer, news contracts for Randle and Mitch may be kicking in as well.
RE: the way frank has played there is zero reason that bullock..  
Enzo : 3/5/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15167525 Italianju said:
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should play over him, other then Thibs love for bullock. At best bullock is a little better 3pt shooter. BUT Frank is still a guy with some upside, im not a frank fan, but its hard not to be impressed with how he has played the last few. Bullock is what he is, a guy who can hit wide open 3s at an ok clip and play ok D.

Frank might not be good enough to be anyone's lead guard, but his handle makes him overqualified as a 3 and D wing. You can then roll out a 3 guard look that can provide good spacing.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 11:08 am : link
In comment 15167526 Enzo said:
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don't do well as they reach their mid 30s. But that doesn't seem to be the case as much these days (CP3, Dragic, Lowry, Conley) so maybe Lowry still has good years left. However giving him anything more than a one year deal obviously eats into cap space for summer of 2022 when there might actually be some premium talent available. That same summer, news contracts for Randle and Mitch may be kicking in as well.


I think the issue with that is "waiting". I don't see how you add an above-average guard who is settling for 1 year. If anything is "most-likely" to do it it's likely a guy like Lowry but I don't see the Knicks "waiting" on 2022 cap room if they can add legit upgrades. They pretty clearly were willing to give big money to Hayward for example, and this will be a full-season later aka "a good" building season.
Per  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 11:12 am : link
a writer I know, the Knicks have (at least in passing) spoken to at least one team about Toppin.
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Enzo : 3/5/2021 11:14 am : link
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don't do well as they reach their mid 30s. But that doesn't seem to be the case as much these days (CP3, Dragic, Lowry, Conley) so maybe Lowry still has good years left. However giving him anything more than a one year deal obviously eats into cap space for summer of 2022 when there might actually be some premium talent available. That same summer, news contracts for Randle and Mitch may be kicking in as well.



I think the issue with that is "waiting". I don't see how you add an above-average guard who is settling for 1 year. If anything is "most-likely" to do it it's likely a guy like Lowry but I don't see the Knicks "waiting" on 2022 cap room if they can add legit upgrades. They pretty clearly were willing to give big money to Hayward for example, and this will be a full-season later aka "a good" building season.

I would argue the Hayward offer might have been made with the idea that Randle was not going to be here long term.
Lowry helps but you're only one year from two all star caliber scoring guards (LaVine and Beal) potentially coming available - which is perhaps this team's biggest weakness.
if they trade toppin it better be...  
Italianju : 3/5/2021 11:15 am : link
for a long term legit asset. Like everyone i havent exactly been impressed with Topping, but he is a kid who has played like 30 nba games.
i really think it ends up being lavine and im good with that.....  
Italianju : 3/5/2021 11:19 am : link
I think he is underrated and a great fit. I also think he is the mosts likely to either get traded or leave in FA. People like to throw out names like Booker, towns, Mitchell, etc... but those guys have no leverage to force a trade as they are signed for multiple years after this.

Beal of course is the other guy, but he does seem interested in staying in WAS. Unlike Lavine he has played his whole career there.
If they’ve already decided Randle will be here long term  
bceagle05 : 3/5/2021 11:21 am : link
trading Obi seems inevitable, and should probably be done before we kill all his value.
If you can flip Toppin  
nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 11:24 am : link
for a piece that fits and that is an upgrade i am ok with it, the upgrade has to be a little younger, not a 35 year old vet
He  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 11:25 am : link
wasn't suggesting they were shopping him, rather they didn't tell (at least one) team he wasn't available.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 11:27 am : link
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trading Obi seems inevitable, and should probably be done before we kill all his value.


I want JR here long term.
Toppin  
Jon in NYC : 3/5/2021 11:29 am : link
had better be available. He has no path to starting minutes for a long time. He's a depreciating asset. The longer he goes without playing the less exciting his POY College resume is and the more he's just a bench guy.
Trading Toppin now feels like selling low since he started slow.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/5/2021 11:30 am : link
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Gotta  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 11:45 am : link
be honest, had no idea TJ McConnell was such a good player. Kind of under my radar. 9 steals in the first half the other day! NINE! He seemingly would be a very solid grab for the Knicks
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 11:47 am : link
In comment 15167557 DanMetroMan said:
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be honest, had no idea TJ McConnell was such a good player. Kind of under my radar. 9 steals in the first half the other day! NINE! He seemingly would be a very solid grab for the Knicks


Whenever I watched the 76ers, he stood out. A high intensity guy off the bench. Obviously not the most skilled guy in the world, but he brings it every game & makes an impact.
Obi and  
TommyWiseau : 3/5/2021 11:48 am : link
picks for Lavine? I would be down
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 11:51 am : link
In comment 15167558 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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be honest, had no idea TJ McConnell was such a good player. Kind of under my radar. 9 steals in the first half the other day! NINE! He seemingly would be a very solid grab for the Knicks



Whenever I watched the 76ers, he stood out. A high intensity guy off the bench. Obviously not the most skilled guy in the world, but he brings it every game & makes an impact.


Check out this article on him.

"Per 36 minutes, McConnell has averaged 1.50 steals from bad passes. That ranks No. 1 overall.

Behind the former undrafted free agent was six-time NBA All-Defensive guard Tony Allen (1.48) and then four-time NBA All-Defensive wing Doug Christie (1.40). To put those numbers in perspective, take a look at the rates from contemporary elite defenders such as Marcus Smart (1.26) and Kawhi Leonard (1.22).

Counting stats, like steals, are not the only way to define a good defender. But when someone’s productivity is elite, that certainly says something about them as a player. In this case, it says that the passing lane is simply not safe anywhere near McConnell."
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LaVine  
Dr. D : 3/5/2021 12:09 pm : link
I don't watch as much NBA as most here (this is the most I've watched the Knicks prolly in 20 yrs), but just looking at LaVine's stats - sign me the f up!

What's the best way to get him? Can we wait til he's a FA? Are the Bulls looking to move or re-sign him?

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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:12 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski: Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin has agreed to a contract buyout with the Detroit Pistons and will become an unrestricted free agent, sources tell ESPN.
– via Twitter wojespn
the Knox thing is way worse than  
ryanmkeane : 3/5/2021 12:15 pm : link
Frank and that's hard to accomplish. At least with Frank, we can play a few minutes and contribute on defense. Knox literally does nothing well on the basketball court, it's uncanny. Ugh, Bridges and SGA went the two picks after too. Couldn't have turned out worse.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:20 pm : link
Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15167576 DanMetroMan said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski: Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin has agreed to a contract buyout with the Detroit Pistons and will become an unrestricted free agent, sources tell ESPN.
– via Twitter wojespn


He is dunzo.
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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15167585 DanMetroMan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.


This was out there a couple of weeks ago as well
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15167585 DanMetroMan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.


When did KAT become untouchable? I know MN isn't a sexy FA destination, but KAT isn't s superstar by any means.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:26 pm : link
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Adrian Wojnarowski: Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin has agreed to a contract buyout with the Detroit Pistons and will become an unrestricted free agent, sources tell ESPN.
– via Twitter wojespn



He is dunzo.


Mostly. But makes sense for a contender off the bench.
I would like to see IQ’s role  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/5/2021 12:27 pm : link
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nygiants16 : 3/5/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15167590 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.



When did KAT become untouchable? I know MN isn't a sexy FA destination, but KAT isn't s superstar by any means.


I dont like Kat as well but if you can get him and keep Rj and Quick i would do it and not think twice and i am not a fan of his at all..

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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15167590 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.



When did KAT become untouchable? I know MN isn't a sexy FA destination, but KAT isn't s superstar by any means.


He's flawed (his defense has been awful" but "isn't a superstar by any means" is silly. Career 23 and 12 53/40/83% shooting, career 25.0 PER, .194 WS/48, he's 25
I was all about Beal  
GMEN46 : 3/5/2021 12:28 pm : link
But I have really been impressed with Lavine, he has improved every year and I think with good coaching could become an average defender. I am all in on signing him in 2022 or trading Obi, knox, and 2 first rounders before then
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Jon in NYC : 3/5/2021 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15167590 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Stefan Bondy: I don’t know if Minnesota would ever make Karl-Anthony Towns available. But as bad as things ended for Thibodeau in Minnesota, I’ve heard that he’d be open to Karl-Anthony Towns again because Thibodeau just wants to win and he thinks Karl-Anthony Towns will help him do that. And so I know that Karl-Anthony Towns is somebody that’s actually been reported before that the Knicks are monitoring as well.



When did KAT become untouchable? I know MN isn't a sexy FA destination, but KAT isn't s superstar by any means.


He absolutely is a superstar. Last year he averaged 27, 10, 4.5 with outstanding shooting %. He would be 10th right now in scoring based on those numbers.
Dan...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/5/2021 12:30 pm : link
You're probably right; I'm just a not fan of his game @ all. He is a complete joke on defense too.
For  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:31 pm : link
comparisons sake Ama're through age 25

21 and 9 54% from the field, .190 WS/48, 22.9 PER, and poor defense. Was Amar'e a "superstar" in his prime? If so, then so is KAT.
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DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15167600 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You're probably right; I'm just a not fan of his game @ all. He is a complete joke on defense too.


No defending his defense. Not even going to try to. He's a poor defender, he should be better at it, and seems like a good person (much like Amar'e) but the defense is atrocious.
Might  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2021 12:32 pm : link
just mean he's a good dude to hang out with but the "biggest" stars have been really hyping up LaVine and his development.
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