So at 11, Waddle and Parsons are there, who ya takin’?

there are plenty of receivers they can draft later on who will be good. i keep saying this, but i think terry from FSU is VASTLY underrated. guy is big, fast, good after the catch, and has good hands

probably more than the average BBIer. He is truly a demon with the ball in his hands.

But I'd take Parsons over him. He's simply the best defensive player in this draft and it's not really that close imo.

My pick would be Parsons.

for me with almost no hesitation.

as well.

I think he can do a lot of things this defense (or any defense really) needs to become a really, really good unit.

Is the exact player the dc wants and joe judge loves linebackers.

agreed about Terry. FSU QBs have been so awful. I think that is a big factor on why he is overlooked some

is that all the teams will need to do a thorough job of making sure the character concerns aren't real or are atleast overblown.

It does need to be pointed out that his pass coverage has some question marks around it too, which isn't ideal in the modern NFL.

He's the rarer player.
Giants DL keeping blockers off him, playing next to Martinez? Good fit. Parsons can be a game wrecker.

Then hope Terrace Marshall is there for our 2nd round pick.

God I can only hope these are our first 2 picks

They both are impressive prospects but I would choose Waddle over Parsons. Yeah, his ankle needs to check out but he seems special to me.
Also, Parsons has more question marks than Waddle in terms of maturity and off the field. I feel Waddle is more cleaner prospect than Parsons. Also, Daniel Jeremiah, Gil Brandt, Dane Brugler which I respect as draft experts all have Waddle ahead of Parsons so I know I’m not the only one who thinks Waddle is favored. However, I like Parsons too, as long as Judge and Getty and coach Chaos vetted Parsons.

The Giants staff should know both players well.

This team has zero playmakers on offense. We have to eventually find out what Jones is, and we can’t do that without giving him a weapon.

Parsons is a quality player, and even though the red flags about his personality are likely embellished, they still scare me.

Waddle is the safer prospect and probably then prospect with the higher ceiling as well.

Even if they sign a WR in free agency, I would still take Smith, Waddle, or Pitts (in that order) at #11.

So Parsons in this scenario. Ideally, I’d rather Rousseau or one of the CB’s.

we still don't know if Jones can be the guy.

But you committed to Jones, so support him. You can't go into the season just hoping for the best on offense.

I’m giving the rest of the draft for #12 and getting them both. Go to bed early and focus on free agency (what’s left).

Bring the 80s identity back

In comment 15167686 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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But you committed to Jones, so support him. You can't go into the season just hoping for the best on offense.

Devil’s advocate given I know squat about these guys at the moment, but assuming MP’s character concerns aren’t deemed deal-breaking and we take him, aren’t there supposed to be a lot of WRs in this class that could help?

in ways on than #11. Free Agency, and rounds 2+, along with Barkley returning.

I'm all for giving Jones everything he needs to succeed, but not at the expense of picking a better player that could take the defense from very good to excellent (which would also help the offense).

In comment 15167690 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15167686 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: But you committed to Jones, so support him. You can't go into the season just hoping for the best on offense. Devil’s advocate given I know squat about these guys at the moment, but assuming MP’s character concerns aren’t deemed deal-breaking and we take him, aren’t there supposed to be a lot of WRs in this class that could help?

Supposedly. But I don't know how I'd feel if we were relying on a 2nd round WR to carry so much of that responsibility on his back.

it's a tighter call. But I'm not convinced he is a #1. Everyone looks like a #1 at Alabama when the talent is so deep and widespread.

So of the choices, it's MP.

In comment 15167693 UConn4523 said:

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in ways on than #11. Free Agency, and rounds 2+, along with Barkley returning. I'm all for giving Jones everything he needs to succeed, but not at the expense of picking a better player that could take the defense from very good to excellent (which would also help the offense).

As it stands now, I don't know how you can forsee significant help on offense coming in free agency with their cap concerns. They might get worse on OL in the short term, with this Zeitler stuff.

It'd be unwise to not plan for barkley being affected by his serious injury, even if he says he's ready. He'll probably be on a pitch count even in training camp. We just don't know, but that goes back to "hoping for the best" as a plan for the season ahead. I hope he'll be fine, but there needs to be a multi-faceted approach to fixing the offense.

Tell me who we get in Free Agency and then you can answer this question in a more proper fashion. The real answer is what is the need by the time we get to the draft?

In comment 15167689 Danny Dimes said:

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Bring the 80s identity back

I’d go Waddle and pray JG knows how to use him. I like Parsons but some of the analysis I’ve heard say he might be a 3 down player in this system. That his best spot would inside beside Blake but not onthe field on the 3rd down.

with either one of them, but id go parsons, and draft a nice receiver on day 2.

In comment 15167699 Bruner4329 said:

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Tell me who we get in Free Agency and then you can answer this question in a more proper fashion. The real answer is what is the need by the time we get to the draft?

It APPEARS that any difference-making WRs in FA will be tagged or have possible health concerns. Or, too damn expensive..

who can play inside/outside/return.

I think he's excellent at all 3.

My dream would be to sign Robinson and have Waddle inside with Robinson/Slayton outside. Barkley in the backfield.

I want Waddle vs your slot corner.

I think we win more games with Waddle.

your intriguing sentiment aligns with mine. I would love to see Parsons on the opposite side of Martinez, it's about time we have a LB corp that comes close to what we had back in the 80's, sign me up!

In comment 15167698 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15167693 UConn4523 said: Quote: in ways on than #11. Free Agency, and rounds 2+, along with Barkley returning. I'm all for giving Jones everything he needs to succeed, but not at the expense of picking a better player that could take the defense from very good to excellent (which would also help the offense). As it stands now, I don't know how you can forsee significant help on offense coming in free agency with their cap concerns. They might get worse on OL in the short term, with this Zeitler stuff. It'd be unwise to not plan for barkley being affected by his serious injury, even if he says he's ready. He'll probably be on a pitch count even in training camp. We just don't know, but that goes back to "hoping for the best" as a plan for the season ahead. I hope he'll be fine, but there needs to be a multi-faceted approach to fixing the offense.

FA comes before the draft so we will know soon enough. But I'm all for making a strength even better, especially if I have Parsons rated a decent chunk ahead of Waddle.

Jones needs to play better flat out, regardless of who is here. Is the addition of Waddle going to make him into an adequate starter? Doubtful - it will be a combination of things (OL taking the next step, Barkley getting back to normal, Engram cutting down the drops, Shepard not missing 1/4 of the season, etc.).

Waddle's injury is aa concern, and despite a world of talent, a number of reviewers feel that Parsons is raw and lacks instincts, and that the Penn system was made to order for him. I don't want a 1st round prospect who's going take a couple years to become productive.

WR is a bigger need than LB, but if better player at OL, DL or DB is there at #11, I can live with it.

in Free Agency, I would probably pull the trigger on Waddle here.

Parsons would be great and the choice if a free agent WR or TE comes onto roster earlier, but don't see how they are helping Daniel Jones by going into round two with nothing new for him.

For me it's someone other than the two. Is Farley still available? Is Slater still available? Is Rousseau still available? Is Surtain still available? These are all prospects I would probably favor over either of Waddle and Parsons. Of course, my mind could change a few times between now and draft day.

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I'll take Waddle. I like Micah alot though.

FA money would go to the offense.

If they draft Waddle/SMith/Chase I don't want to hear - well we had a rookie WR #1 and he needs another year to develop to see what we have in Jones....

Cut: Solder & Zeitler

I think my move would be to sign Thuney or D. Williams to sure up the OL. Sign Corey Davis (and maybe even M. Jones too). Sign a cheap vet at DT/CB

Resign LW - let DT walk.

Draft Parsons in rd one - CB in rd 2...

In comment 15167703 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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who can play inside/outside/return. I think he's excellent at all 3. My dream would be to sign Robinson and have Waddle inside with Robinson/Slayton outside. Barkley in the backfield. I want Waddle vs your slot corner. I think we win more games with Waddle.

I'm ok with that plan too - but I would cut Shepard and use that money to sign a Reddick.

He seems like he would be a plug and play day 1 starter at WR in the offense regardless of who the Giants pick up in FA. The injury is a concern, but there is no doubt he is a polished prospect.

There are a lot of young LBs on the team who need to develop and no guarantee Parsons will fit in Graham's scheme. He also opted out of 2020, so that raises some questions on his conditioning and development as a player. I am sure he is athletically gifted, but Judge is going to look for players with team first attitude and I don't know if Parsons will beat Waddle in that department.

With how much I’m not a fan of drafting Waddle. That said, The more I’ve watched on Parsons, I’m not impressed with his diagnosis skills or his ability to cover, or his work on the Edge. Parsons is most effective when blitzing up the middle and beating slow footed Guards or Centers. I don’t know that you can highly draft a guy who’s strength is just that. So I’d hope dearly for a trade down, but if not, Waddle.

Waddle is projected by some to be a sub 4.3 guy. Plays anywhere, inside, outside, ST. Compared to an off the ball LB! Waddle all day.

is the choice over Parsons.

would bring the D up another notch. I’d be fine with him if they fully investigate the allegations against him.and feel that there’s no issue there.

Dont like Waddle or Parsons. I would rather have Kadaruius Toney than Waddle but if Slater is there he is the guy for me.

Parsons hands down. Take the WR in round 2

But Parsons would be the easy pick if the choice is between them.

then he won't be selected until after 15, Parsons likely doesn't make to 11.

My non-QB rankings for the Giants right now is...
Calvin Johnson, do'h i did it again, I mean Kyle Pitts
Chase
Sewell
Smith
Surtain
Farley
Parsons
Rousseau (though he scares the crap out of me, big bust potential)
Waddle

1. Strengthen a strength
2. WR is a deep position in this draft
3. I don't think WR is the need many say it is. Between Barkley, Shepard, Engram, and Slayton this team has plenty of weapons with speed and YAC ability. It's on the quarterback and offensive coordinator to get these guys the ball in positions to create that YAC.

I can't say this with enough emphasis: there isn't a wide receiver in FA or the draft that is going to solve the Giants' offensive issues in 2021. The solution has to come from within.

we might have one of the worst starting WR units in football.

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we might have one of the worst starting WR units in football.

In fairness, a healthy SB will mitigate that problem to a degree

In comment 15167758 ryanmkeane said:

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we might have one of the worst starting WR units in football.

We also have one of the worst starting quarterbacks in football. We also run an offense that doesn't do a good job getting the ball to our receivers in dangerous positions. Waddle, Smith, Golladay, or anyone else isn't changing that.

that's how I feel too. I do think Jones has/had a lackluster cast/OL (especially with the Barkley injury) but ultimately he's going to overcome it or he isn't. There's no Calvin Johnson in this draft and if there is its a later pick that slips or just puts it together in the NFL (like a Metcalf). Unless I'm getting early OBJ production out of Waddle I don't see the reason to lock in on him/WR since its far more likely he's just mediocre.