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frankmihs : 3/5/2021 2:22 pm
Thoughts? I believe he has a floor of Cam Fleming. He is very athletic, quick feet, long arms, strong and will get stronger. I am comfortable going into next year with him as a starter.

I think we have a good young foundation with our Peart, Gates and Thomas. I would not being back Zeitler at that price you can replace his quality or better for cheaper. Then you let the two guards battle it out and bring in a third for competition. You will need a swing tackle as well
On a level playing field, I would say you can repace Zeitler.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/5/2021 2:28 pm : link
But the Giants have not demonstrated at all that they can find capable fill-ins for OL without spending a lot of money.

RE: On a level playing field, I would say you can repace Zeitler.  
santacruzom : 3/5/2021 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15167720 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But the Giants have not demonstrated at all that they can find capable fill-ins for OL without spending a lot of money.


But they have demonstrated that they can spend a lot of money on NON-capable fill-ins.
I  
Straw Hat : 3/5/2021 2:35 pm : link
Think hes gonna come into camp bigger and stronger, win the RT job and not look back.
He is one of the reasons why  
Dnew15 : 3/5/2021 2:37 pm : link
I like THuney or D. Williams so much.

THere's a lot of versatility on this OL if you add one of them to the group. Between Peart/Thomas/Thuney-Williams/Gates/Shane L/Will H/Gates/Harrison the Giants have a legit group of vet talent to get the best 5 guys on the field in the spots to succeed.

You don't have to bank on anyone player developing or taking a big jump or HOPING for a positive outcome.

There's legit competition at every spot across the line.
I hear a lot of people wanting to draft a RT...  
Vin_Cuccs : 3/5/2021 2:46 pm : link
....or sign a RT in free agency.

I personally don’t see it. They spent a high 3rd round pick on him just last year. They need to see what he can do. They have an obligation to play him there.

Sure, it’s risky, and there will likely be growing pains, but this is the situation they have put themselves in. I am not opposed to signing a mid-level veteran as an insurance policy, or drafting a kid in the mid to late rounds, but I think you have to go into the season with the assumption Peart will win the starting job.
RE: RE: On a level playing field, I would say you can repace Zeitler.  
eric2425ny : 3/5/2021 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15167725 santacruzom said:
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In comment 15167720 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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But the Giants have not demonstrated at all that they can find capable fill-ins for OL without spending a lot of money.




But they have demonstrated that they can spend a lot of money on NON-capable fill-ins.


Ha ha, exactly. I mean we could always bring John Jerry back if they part with Zeitler.
Peart  
rasbutant : 3/5/2021 2:47 pm : link
I like Peart a lot. I'd love to see him get a chance to make it. But I certainly hope they are not banking on him and have a solid back-up plan. I'd bring Fleming back, managing the roster and other needs I don't want to invest big here, but a solid vet that is paid as a back-up but could start if needed. Fleming, Solder (at reduced salary 3-4M), Depending on cost (think under 4M)...Wagner, Cam Robinson, Kelvin Beachum, Daryl Williams. I'm also not going to shy away from selecting a Tackle early in the draft.
RE: I hear a lot of people wanting to draft a RT...  
eric2425ny : 3/5/2021 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15167734 Vin_Cuccs said:
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....or sign a RT in free agency.

I personally don’t see it. They spent a high 3rd round pick on him just last year. They need to see what he can do. They have an obligation to play him there.

Sure, it’s risky, and there will likely be growing pains, but this is the situation they have put themselves in. I am not opposed to signing a mid-level veteran as an insurance policy, or drafting a kid in the mid to late rounds, but I think you have to go into the season with the assumption Peart will win the starting job.


I agree with you. I remember a lot of draft “experts” saying he was a nice pick that had a lot of upside. Now let’s see what he can do. I envision them doing one of these things: 1.) bring back Fleming, 2.) restructure Solder, or 3.) spend another pick on RT in the Round 3-4 range. Whatever option they choose of those 3 will be the swing tackle or fill in for Peart if he doesn’t pan out until we can address the position again in 2022. Drafting another RT in round 1 or 2 seems like they are giving up on Peart.
looks to me like a capable starter  
ryanmkeane : 3/5/2021 2:54 pm : link
with nice upside for long term
We have a chance to develop "Bookend Tackles".....  
No Where Man : 3/5/2021 2:59 pm : link
Peart will be under our control for another 2 years, Andrews 3 years. With the cost effectiveness that these 2 players might exemplify, they must be given every chance to succeed. Same goes for Gates.
RE: We have a chance to develop  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/5/2021 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15167744 No Where Man said:
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Peart will be under our control for another 2 years, Andrews 3 years. With the cost effectiveness that these 2 players might exemplify, they must be given every chance to succeed. Same goes for Gates.
add a year to both
It was helpful that he some some game reps last year  
arniefez : 3/5/2021 3:05 pm : link
but he didn't look ready to be a good starter yet. Maybe more off season practice/coaching time and a year of getting stronger will make a big difference. Handing him a starting spot isn't smart though.
Agree with Straw Hat  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/5/2021 3:08 pm : link
3rd round pick is a significant investment and the staff will give him every opportunity to win the starting job.

Add a guard to the mix in rounds 1-3 to compete with Hernandez and Lemeiux whether Zeitler is retained or not.

If Zeitler is gone my hunch is that they look for his long term replacement in rds 1 or 2 depending on how they rank Slater or Sewell vs Parsons, the 2 CBS and the 4 receivers, and of course which drop to 11. Pretty much at the mercy of who is taken 1-10 so barring more than 3 QBs or a surprise pick there will be only 1 or 2 remaining. Don’t overthink it, just grab whoever you have ranked higher at that point. Take the unicorn.

On day 2 there will be a lot more options at G, WR, CB and Edge and our priorities will be affected by what we did in FA and rd 1, BPA should line up nicely with our needs. With lots of players ranked closer together you can rank based on system fit, intangibles and physical preferences. Lots more gray area.

My ideal scenario would be for Zeitler to either take a cut or a one year extension at a reduced salary and have him start alongside Peart to help him transition into a solid starter and mentor Lemioux and the draftee to take over in 2022.

Hernandez’s contract runs out after this season, and while I hope he rebounds from his COVID affected season and can battle for a starting spot at LG if he doesn’t win the job he won’t be back in 2022 so you’ll need this year’s draft pick to be ready to take either guard spot by then.
RE: Agree with Straw Hat  
Old Blue : 3/5/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15167748 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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3rd round pick is a significant investment and the staff will give him every opportunity to win the starting job.

Add a guard to the mix in rounds 1-3 to compete with Hernandez and Lemeiux whether Zeitler is retained or not.

If Zeitler is gone my hunch is that they look for his long term replacement in rds 1 or 2 depending on how they rank Slater or Sewell vs Parsons, the 2 CBS and the 4 receivers, and of course which drop to 11. Pretty much at the mercy of who is taken 1-10 so barring more than 3 QBs or a surprise pick there will be only 1 or 2 remaining. Don’t overthink it, just grab whoever you have ranked higher at that point. Take the unicorn.

On day 2 there will be a lot more options at G, WR, CB and Edge and our priorities will be affected by what we did in FA and rd 1, BPA should line up nicely with our needs. With lots of players ranked closer together you can rank based on system fit, intangibles and physical preferences. Lots more gray area.

My ideal scenario would be for Zeitler to either take a cut or a one year extension at a reduced salary and have him start alongside Peart to help him transition into a solid starter and mentor Lemioux and the draftee to take over in 2022.

Hernandez’s contract runs out after this season, and while I hope he rebounds from his COVID affected season and can battle for a starting spot at LG if he doesn’t win the job he won’t be back in 2022 so you’ll need this year’s draft pick to be ready to take either guard spot by then.


I can’t believe all the people on here who think there is so much talent as is on the Oline they they will be better next year. I’ve got two words for you Humpty Dumpty. Thomas is still unproven, and so is Peart. SL, and WH are backups, and getting rid of Zeitler will even make it worse. Humpty Dumpty.
I don't see u s drafting another OT  
BigBlueNH : 3/5/2021 4:04 pm : link
unless it is someone who can also play G, like Slater. With 2 2nd-year players manning the OT spots, I would think they would want a vet for the swing tackle/competition role, not a rookie. It would also mean that all 3 OTs would have their contracts up within 2 years, not ideal.
RE: He is one of the reasons why  
Bruner4329 : 3/5/2021 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15167732 Dnew15 said:
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I like THuney or D. Williams so much.

THere's a lot of versatility on this OL if you add one of them to the group. Between Peart/Thomas/Thuney-Williams/Gates/Shane L/Will H/Gates/Harrison the Giants have a legit group of vet talent to get the best 5 guys on the field in the spots to succeed.

You don't have to bank on anyone player developing or taking a big jump or HOPING for a positive outcome.

There's legit competition at every spot across the line.


It really can't be Thuney or Williams as you said. If you bring in Thuney you have a guard replacement for Zeitler which is fine but if you bring in Williams he is a tackle and an upgrade but if you are stuck with Hernandez as Zeitler's replacement you take a pretty big step back at that position and what have you gained? IMO Hernandez should not be a lock for a roster spot let alone a starting position. Forget the fact he stunk in 2020. What concerns me more is that he has gone down hill since his first year. A bad trend.
Old blue  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/5/2021 4:59 pm : link
Be patient. Players develop. No players are proven until they’ve been in the league for a few seasons.

Rookies take their lumps and in return gain valueable experience, and show the coaches what they might become down the line.

We have a very young team. I’d prefer the coaches identify prospects worth developing than bringing in mediocre placeholder vets who won’t be part of the future.

I’ll be disappointed if Peart isn’t a full time starter by 2022 at the latest. At some point we need to start hitting on our top draft picks, and that won’t happen if they’re not given opportunities to succeed.
RE: Old blue  
Old Blue : 3/5/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15167833 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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Be patient. Players develop. No players are proven until they’ve been in the league for a few seasons.

Rookies take their lumps and in return gain valueable experience, and show the coaches what they might become down the line.

We have a very young team. I’d prefer the coaches identify prospects worth developing than bringing in mediocre placeholder vets who won’t be part of the future.



I’ll be disappointed if Peart isn’t a full time starter by 2022 at the latest. At some point we need to start hitting on our top draft picks, and that won’t happen if they’re not given opportunities to succeed.


With this line if no changes are made you will see what you saw in the first game last year, and that is Barkley hit before he even gets to the line of scrimmage more times than not, and DJ running for his life adding up to another losing season. Just because Peart was drafted in the 3rd round, and WH was drafted in the 2nd round doesn’t mean they are any good, and that goes for Thomas too.
After observing for 1 year, and bringing in Sale as O-line coach  
Ivan15 : 3/5/2021 5:23 pm : link
I think the line is going to be shuffled quite a bit. Most of the same players but in different positions.

If they find a cheap but capable center as a cap casualty, Gates could move to Guard. Peart and Thomas could switch sides and both Lemieux and Hernandez could be sitting on the bench.
Lower end Division 1 program  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/5/2021 5:29 pm : link
This was a huge jump for the kid. No OTA's/minicamp, restricted Training Camp and no preseason games. Little patience warranted.

The coaching staff will no what his potential is. What they add via draft FA will be a decent indicator.

I don't believe you just play someone because of draft slot. That is how you lose your QB for the season.
Peart was a Day 2 pick  
BobR in Durham : 3/5/2021 5:51 pm : link
I would be surprised if the Giants did not consider him the first option for a starting OT spot. Certainly the FO if not also the coaching staff. Hell, some of the FO was here when they went into a season with Bobby Hart as the starting RT. How could they not feel comfortable with Peart? /s off.
Peart was a 3rd round comp pick  
Milton : 3/5/2021 6:30 pm : link
Basically an early 4th round pick. Only the coaching staff knows what they have in him. If they do very little to add quality competition that would indicate trust in him. If they invest a 1st or 2nd round pick or spend big bucks in free agency that would indicate a lack of trust. Even using their early 3rd round pick would indicate reservations on their part.
RE: RE: Old blue  
section125 : 3/5/2021 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15167850 Old Blue said:
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With this line if no changes are made you will see what you saw in the first game last year, and that is Barkley hit before he even gets to the line of scrimmage more times than not, and DJ running for his life adding up to another losing season. Just because Peart was drafted in the 3rd round, and WH was drafted in the 2nd round doesn’t mean they are any good, and that goes for Thomas too.


Geez, if Barkley had played last year there were 6-8 holes that would have been TDs for him that Gallman got 12-15 yards on...I guess you forgot that..

The first few games were completely different than the 2nd half of the year. The line was not good, but it was much better than the 1st 4 or 6 games
RE: RE: RE: Old blue  
Old Blue : 3/5/2021 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15167941 section125 said:
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In comment 15167850 Old Blue said:


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With this line if no changes are made you will see what you saw in the first game last year, and that is Barkley hit before he even gets to the line of scrimmage more times than not, and DJ running for his life adding up to another losing season. Just because Peart was drafted in the 3rd round, and WH was drafted in the 2nd round doesn’t mean they are any good, and that goes for Thomas too.



Geez, if Barkley had played last year there were 6-8 holes that would have been TDs for him that Gallman got 12-15 yards on...I guess you forgot that..

The first few games were completely different than the 2nd half of the year. The line was not good, but it was much better than the 1st 4 or 6 games


Barkley is not going to make this team a winning team not with this Oline. If you want another losing record again this coming year then get rid of Zeitler, and keep the rest of the Oline intact, and watch DJ run more than Fran Tarkenton did, and go somewhere between 4-13, or 6-11 with the tougher schedule.
If it has to be deer eyes Jones.......  
thrunthrublue : 3/5/2021 11:08 pm : link
Best to give him a clean enough pocket to hit any receiver that can get open.....Tate, was slow enough to justify his handicap parking.... engram has speed, but worse hands than the real Statue of Liberty...so, ok, let jones get through 2021, so he can be traded as a bust/backup in ‘22.
I would not be surprised if our off-season develops our youth  
SGMen : 3/6/2021 5:23 am : link
Thomas-Lemiuex-Gates-Hernandez-Peart is as good a guess as there is for the OL.

I honestly believe Thomas, Gates and Peart could be studs and Lemiuex and Hernandez serviceable.

I can see us drafting WR, TE, RB and OL in the first four picks as these positions may actually hold BPA available value. We shall see...

But bottom line is we must draft well and retain our key players that fit the Judge way of business.
RE: I would not be surprised if our off-season develops our youth  
Old Blue : 3/6/2021 7:04 am : link
In comment 15168092 SGMen said:
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Thomas-Lemiuex-Gates-Hernandez-Peart is as good a guess as there is for the OL.

I honestly believe Thomas, Gates and Peart could be studs and Lemiuex and Hernandez serviceable.

I can see us drafting WR, TE, RB and OL in the first four picks as these positions may actually hold BPA available value. We shall see...

But bottom line is we must draft well and retain our key players that fit the Judge way of business.


Peart could now be a stud? Based on what? Thomas could be a stud too, but he also could become a dud.
My thinking on Peart at this point is simple:  
Big Blue '56 : 3/6/2021 10:42 am : link
How did he APPEAR TO ME to be doing pre-covid? He looked fine in limited snaps and was growing..I haven’t paid much attention to the production of any player recovering from Covid..Zero.
I watched enough of game performances and OL review videos  
Jimmy Googs : 3/6/2021 11:07 am : link
to suggest that starting the 2021 Season with this...

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Thomas-Lemiuex-Gates-Hernandez-Peart is as good a guess as there is for the OL.


is going to likely cause numerous problems for Daniel Jones & Co. And quite possibly results in another awful start that sinks the season before it even really begins.

That group above will not be able to hold up, on a consistent basis, to most of the average pressuring Defenses around the league. And you are kidding yourself if think otherwise.

Start the season with that and every poster that wants Daniel Jones, Jason Garrett and David Gettleman replaced will get their wish...

RE: I watched enough of game performances and OL review videos  
Old Blue : 3/6/2021 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15168228 Jimmy Googs said:
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to suggest that starting the 2021 Season with this...



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Thomas-Lemiuex-Gates-Hernandez-Peart is as good a guess as there is for the OL.



is going to likely cause numerous problems for Daniel Jones & Co. And quite possibly results in another awful start that sinks the season before it even really begins.

That group above will not be able to hold up, on a consistent basis, to most of the average pressuring Defenses around the league. And you are kidding yourself if think otherwise.

Start the season with that and every poster that wants Daniel Jones, Jason Garrett and David Gettleman replaced will get their wish...


There is no stud in the bunch, and that includes Thomas, who was. supposed to be the most ready of the top 4 tackles coming into last years draft, and he turned out the least ready. WH, and SL, are nothing but backups, and Peart only looks good, because everyone else is so bad. The Giants have so many holes to fill, but if the Oline isn’t fixed to the better the team will suck again next year. Oline would be my first pick in the draft, and I would trade up for Sewell.
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