Thoughts? I believe he has a floor of Cam Fleming. He is very athletic, quick feet, long arms, strong and will get stronger. I am comfortable going into next year with him as a starter.
I think we have a good young foundation with our Peart, Gates and Thomas. I would not being back Zeitler at that price you can replace his quality or better for cheaper. Then you let the two guards battle it out and bring in a third for competition. You will need a swing tackle as well
But they have demonstrated that they can spend a lot of money on NON-capable fill-ins.
THere's a lot of versatility on this OL if you add one of them to the group. Between Peart/Thomas/Thuney-Williams/Gates/Shane L/Will H/Gates/Harrison the Giants have a legit group of vet talent to get the best 5 guys on the field in the spots to succeed.
You don't have to bank on anyone player developing or taking a big jump or HOPING for a positive outcome.
There's legit competition at every spot across the line.
I personally don’t see it. They spent a high 3rd round pick on him just last year. They need to see what he can do. They have an obligation to play him there.
Sure, it’s risky, and there will likely be growing pains, but this is the situation they have put themselves in. I am not opposed to signing a mid-level veteran as an insurance policy, or drafting a kid in the mid to late rounds, but I think you have to go into the season with the assumption Peart will win the starting job.
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But the Giants have not demonstrated at all that they can find capable fill-ins for OL without spending a lot of money.
But they have demonstrated that they can spend a lot of money on NON-capable fill-ins.
Ha ha, exactly. I mean we could always bring John Jerry back if they part with Zeitler.
I personally don’t see it. They spent a high 3rd round pick on him just last year. They need to see what he can do. They have an obligation to play him there.
Sure, it’s risky, and there will likely be growing pains, but this is the situation they have put themselves in. I am not opposed to signing a mid-level veteran as an insurance policy, or drafting a kid in the mid to late rounds, but I think you have to go into the season with the assumption Peart will win the starting job.
I agree with you. I remember a lot of draft “experts” saying he was a nice pick that had a lot of upside. Now let’s see what he can do. I envision them doing one of these things: 1.) bring back Fleming, 2.) restructure Solder, or 3.) spend another pick on RT in the Round 3-4 range. Whatever option they choose of those 3 will be the swing tackle or fill in for Peart if he doesn’t pan out until we can address the position again in 2022. Drafting another RT in round 1 or 2 seems like they are giving up on Peart.
Add a guard to the mix in rounds 1-3 to compete with Hernandez and Lemeiux whether Zeitler is retained or not.
If Zeitler is gone my hunch is that they look for his long term replacement in rds 1 or 2 depending on how they rank Slater or Sewell vs Parsons, the 2 CBS and the 4 receivers, and of course which drop to 11. Pretty much at the mercy of who is taken 1-10 so barring more than 3 QBs or a surprise pick there will be only 1 or 2 remaining. Don’t overthink it, just grab whoever you have ranked higher at that point. Take the unicorn.
On day 2 there will be a lot more options at G, WR, CB and Edge and our priorities will be affected by what we did in FA and rd 1, BPA should line up nicely with our needs. With lots of players ranked closer together you can rank based on system fit, intangibles and physical preferences. Lots more gray area.
My ideal scenario would be for Zeitler to either take a cut or a one year extension at a reduced salary and have him start alongside Peart to help him transition into a solid starter and mentor Lemioux and the draftee to take over in 2022.
Hernandez’s contract runs out after this season, and while I hope he rebounds from his COVID affected season and can battle for a starting spot at LG if he doesn’t win the job he won’t be back in 2022 so you’ll need this year’s draft pick to be ready to take either guard spot by then.
Add a guard to the mix in rounds 1-3 to compete with Hernandez and Lemeiux whether Zeitler is retained or not.
If Zeitler is gone my hunch is that they look for his long term replacement in rds 1 or 2 depending on how they rank Slater or Sewell vs Parsons, the 2 CBS and the 4 receivers, and of course which drop to 11. Pretty much at the mercy of who is taken 1-10 so barring more than 3 QBs or a surprise pick there will be only 1 or 2 remaining. Don’t overthink it, just grab whoever you have ranked higher at that point. Take the unicorn.
On day 2 there will be a lot more options at G, WR, CB and Edge and our priorities will be affected by what we did in FA and rd 1, BPA should line up nicely with our needs. With lots of players ranked closer together you can rank based on system fit, intangibles and physical preferences. Lots more gray area.
My ideal scenario would be for Zeitler to either take a cut or a one year extension at a reduced salary and have him start alongside Peart to help him transition into a solid starter and mentor Lemioux and the draftee to take over in 2022.
Hernandez’s contract runs out after this season, and while I hope he rebounds from his COVID affected season and can battle for a starting spot at LG if he doesn’t win the job he won’t be back in 2022 so you’ll need this year’s draft pick to be ready to take either guard spot by then.
I can’t believe all the people on here who think there is so much talent as is on the Oline they they will be better next year. I’ve got two words for you Humpty Dumpty. Thomas is still unproven, and so is Peart. SL, and WH are backups, and getting rid of Zeitler will even make it worse. Humpty Dumpty.
THere's a lot of versatility on this OL if you add one of them to the group. Between Peart/Thomas/Thuney-Williams/Gates/Shane L/Will H/Gates/Harrison the Giants have a legit group of vet talent to get the best 5 guys on the field in the spots to succeed.
You don't have to bank on anyone player developing or taking a big jump or HOPING for a positive outcome.
There's legit competition at every spot across the line.
It really can't be Thuney or Williams as you said. If you bring in Thuney you have a guard replacement for Zeitler which is fine but if you bring in Williams he is a tackle and an upgrade but if you are stuck with Hernandez as Zeitler's replacement you take a pretty big step back at that position and what have you gained? IMO Hernandez should not be a lock for a roster spot let alone a starting position. Forget the fact he stunk in 2020. What concerns me more is that he has gone down hill since his first year. A bad trend.
Rookies take their lumps and in return gain valueable experience, and show the coaches what they might become down the line.
We have a very young team. I’d prefer the coaches identify prospects worth developing than bringing in mediocre placeholder vets who won’t be part of the future.
I’ll be disappointed if Peart isn’t a full time starter by 2022 at the latest. At some point we need to start hitting on our top draft picks, and that won’t happen if they’re not given opportunities to succeed.
Rookies take their lumps and in return gain valueable experience, and show the coaches what they might become down the line.
We have a very young team. I’d prefer the coaches identify prospects worth developing than bringing in mediocre placeholder vets who won’t be part of the future.
I’ll be disappointed if Peart isn’t a full time starter by 2022 at the latest. At some point we need to start hitting on our top draft picks, and that won’t happen if they’re not given opportunities to succeed.
With this line if no changes are made you will see what you saw in the first game last year, and that is Barkley hit before he even gets to the line of scrimmage more times than not, and DJ running for his life adding up to another losing season. Just because Peart was drafted in the 3rd round, and WH was drafted in the 2nd round doesn’t mean they are any good, and that goes for Thomas too.
If they find a cheap but capable center as a cap casualty, Gates could move to Guard. Peart and Thomas could switch sides and both Lemieux and Hernandez could be sitting on the bench.
The coaching staff will no what his potential is. What they add via draft FA will be a decent indicator.
I don't believe you just play someone because of draft slot. That is how you lose your QB for the season.
With this line if no changes are made you will see what you saw in the first game last year, and that is Barkley hit before he even gets to the line of scrimmage more times than not, and DJ running for his life adding up to another losing season. Just because Peart was drafted in the 3rd round, and WH was drafted in the 2nd round doesn’t mean they are any good, and that goes for Thomas too.
Geez, if Barkley had played last year there were 6-8 holes that would have been TDs for him that Gallman got 12-15 yards on...I guess you forgot that..
The first few games were completely different than the 2nd half of the year. The line was not good, but it was much better than the 1st 4 or 6 games
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With this line if no changes are made you will see what you saw in the first game last year, and that is Barkley hit before he even gets to the line of scrimmage more times than not, and DJ running for his life adding up to another losing season. Just because Peart was drafted in the 3rd round, and WH was drafted in the 2nd round doesn’t mean they are any good, and that goes for Thomas too.
Geez, if Barkley had played last year there were 6-8 holes that would have been TDs for him that Gallman got 12-15 yards on...I guess you forgot that..
The first few games were completely different than the 2nd half of the year. The line was not good, but it was much better than the 1st 4 or 6 games
Barkley is not going to make this team a winning team not with this Oline. If you want another losing record again this coming year then get rid of Zeitler, and keep the rest of the Oline intact, and watch DJ run more than Fran Tarkenton did, and go somewhere between 4-13, or 6-11 with the tougher schedule.
I honestly believe Thomas, Gates and Peart could be studs and Lemiuex and Hernandez serviceable.
I can see us drafting WR, TE, RB and OL in the first four picks as these positions may actually hold BPA available value. We shall see...
But bottom line is we must draft well and retain our key players that fit the Judge way of business.
I honestly believe Thomas, Gates and Peart could be studs and Lemiuex and Hernandez serviceable.
I can see us drafting WR, TE, RB and OL in the first four picks as these positions may actually hold BPA available value. We shall see...
But bottom line is we must draft well and retain our key players that fit the Judge way of business.
Peart could now be a stud? Based on what? Thomas could be a stud too, but he also could become a dud.
is going to likely cause numerous problems for Daniel Jones & Co. And quite possibly results in another awful start that sinks the season before it even really begins.
That group above will not be able to hold up, on a consistent basis, to most of the average pressuring Defenses around the league. And you are kidding yourself if think otherwise.
Start the season with that and every poster that wants Daniel Jones, Jason Garrett and David Gettleman replaced will get their wish...
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Thomas-Lemiuex-Gates-Hernandez-Peart is as good a guess as there is for the OL.
is going to likely cause numerous problems for Daniel Jones & Co. And quite possibly results in another awful start that sinks the season before it even really begins.
That group above will not be able to hold up, on a consistent basis, to most of the average pressuring Defenses around the league. And you are kidding yourself if think otherwise.
Start the season with that and every poster that wants Daniel Jones, Jason Garrett and David Gettleman replaced will get their wish...
There is no stud in the bunch, and that includes Thomas, who was. supposed to be the most ready of the top 4 tackles coming into last years draft, and he turned out the least ready. WH, and SL, are nothing but backups, and Peart only looks good, because everyone else is so bad. The Giants have so many holes to fill, but if the Oline isn’t fixed to the better the team will suck again next year. Oline would be my first pick in the draft, and I would trade up for Sewell.