Who has seen that 30 for 30 on them? I just watched it for the first time & man...what an unlikable team from top to bottom. Obviously Ditka & Ryan...both total SOBs.
Then you got Dent, McMichael, & Otis Wilson saying that they should have won 3 Super Bowls in a row? GTFO. You didn't because Ryan left, McMahon was a walking MASH unit, & other NFC teams (Giants, WFT, & 49ers) were just flat out better, evidenced by all 3 of those teams beating Chicago in the playoffs between '86-'90. Also, the Bears played in a division that was a complete joke during the '80s, with the Vikes being the only non LOL team.
Also, Payton crying in a broom closet after Super Bowl XX because he didn't get a TD? Dude, you just won the Super Bowl, a game you thought you'd never even get to. Completely lame.
All that said, I enjoyed it, especially the Friday Night Lights like music at the end & how all of them-even if they have CTE like McMahon-would do it all again in a heartbeat.
I vaguely remember the '86 playoff lose to the Skins. It wasn't even that close.
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that was intimidating that year. But, I felt we played right with them in that playoff game. They had a shot until Carpenter fumbled in similar fashion to how Rice fumbled on the opening drive of the 86 divisional round against us. That fumble took the wind out of the sails for us. But, we would have been right in the game if he held the ball.
Didn't the Giants also have a muffed punt that somehow screwed them?
Not a muffed punt, which is a PR not fielding it cleanly. Sean Landeta just completely whiffed trying to punt the ball deep in Giants territory. It handed the Bears a TD.
Thank you!!
Their D was incredible but they are out of their minds thinking they could've won 3 in a row with that offense.
And when it came to their coaching - I'm reminded of one of the Hannibal Lectre movies that he's being interviewed by Will and he blurts out "You think you're smarter than me, don't you?"
He replies, "No Dr, but the reason why I caught you is that I have one advantage over you."
He asked "what's that?"
He says "You're insane."
Ditka and Ryan were insane. Their crash-and-burn style was inevitable.
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that was intimidating that year. But, I felt we played right with them in that playoff game. They had a shot until Carpenter fumbled in similar fashion to how Rice fumbled on the opening drive of the 86 divisional round against us. That fumble took the wind out of the sails for us. But, we would have been right in the game if he held the ball.
Didn't the Giants also have a muffed punt that somehow screwed them?
Wouldn't have mattered. The Giants couldn't move the ball at all anyway
Payton was almost finished. They had nothing else on offense including at QB. If they did, they had the D to win several. But there were also some great teams in the NFC at that time.
Brother in law is a huge Bears fan. Great fan base. But they came across-to me at least-as completely unlikable/delusional.
FMIC, I think it was filmed DURING the regular season.
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that was intimidating that year. But, I felt we played right with them in that playoff game. They had a shot until Carpenter fumbled in similar fashion to how Rice fumbled on the opening drive of the 86 divisional round against us. That fumble took the wind out of the sails for us. But, we would have been right in the game if he held the ball.
Didn't the Giants also have a muffed punt that somehow screwed them?
Landeta whiffed on a punt in his own end when there was a gust of wind and the Bears returned it for an easy TD. Though I've talked to Byron Hunt in the past who was on the field on that play and he said he didn't remember a wind gust, he thinks Landeta just blew it.
Thanks I think he whiffed too!
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is that they filmed "The Super Bowl Shuffle" video in the bye week prior to the Super Bowl
FMIC, I think it was filmed DURING the regular season.
You might be right. Wiki says they recorded the song a day after they lost their only game of teh year to the Dolphins and released it December 3.
It doesn't say if teh video was recorded then. Fridge said in an interview several years back that they filmed the video right before the Super Bowl, but he did have a penchant for exaggerating.
They also played in a trash division.
They played one of the weakest schedules you will ever see and eked out a bunch of very close wins against very bad teams, and absolutely hemorrhaged turnovers. I dont give a shit who they started at QB - Tomczak, Flutie, McMahon - they were never beating the Giants in the Meadowlands in January 1987.
Greatest team I ever saw to be sure, but one and done. They were the sports comet or meteor. Shone too bright it wasn’t going to last. Fuck them. Niners, Giants and skins had true staying power.
They had 2 playoff wins post '85-Eagles in '88 & Saints in '90-before getting blown out the following weekend.
But, they could not even REPEAT.
The Giants stopped the 49'ers from a 3-peat (IIRC)?
The Bears were just too tough a defensive opponent, particularly in that weather.
I don't remember a Rob Carpenter fumble that Matt M. mentioned.....
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Quite the feat considering their QB play. My point was that they weren’t exactly a one year wonder. Getting through the NFC playoffs wasn’t easy in that era.
They had 2 playoff wins post '85-Eagles in '88 & Saints in '90-before getting blown out the following weekend.
They lost in the postseason to the eventual Super Bowl Champions in...
1987
1988
1990
That’s part of the reason I’ve always had so much respect for Joe Montana. Winning in the NFC during the 80s was a real achievement. Joe lost 3 playoff games to Parcells/Giants. The Rams, Vikings, and Eagles never won anything and even they were pretty good.
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But it was highly disrespectful to make it a priority to get Perry a TD and not Payton
While I can't stand him, I think Ditka told the truth when he said Payton getting a TD didn't even cross his mind.
He didn't HAVE to get Payton a TD. But, ensuring Perry got one was a slap in the face to Payton. Are you saying Ditka said getting PERRY a TD didn't cross his mind? That is different than saying getting Payton one didn't.
That game was over in the third quarter (probably sooner).....they should have made it a priority to get Payton a TD - not Perry.
I think it was on a Football Life that Ditka said it never crossed him mind the importance of getting Payton a TD.....with everything going on in the game. Sorta like he lost track of everything (yeah, ok lol).
Hell, even Bill Parcells gave OJ Anderson a chance to score.........maybe he learned from Ditka's error.
The 46 was a really effective defense in the 80's because it took away the running games that the better teams used back then. Today's spread offenses would render it ineffective.
Gilbride was talking about the 46 in the early 2000's either at the Combine or at a college day and he talked about how the Bears had the personnel to run a standard defense and still be dominant. He didn't believe their scheme was the result of the success, but it was that they had so many good, impact defenders.
But teams like the Niners and the introduction of multiple WR sets were good systems to offset the strengths of the 46.
I thought it was a really interesting point that probably never got explored too much because of the lore of that Bears team.
The Giants won at Minnesota while the Bears got smoked in the Metrodome. The Bears were taken to OT at home by an Eagle team that the Giants crushed at home, 35-3.
That point differential you're so impressed by is mostly the product of two games - Cincinnati (44-7) and Tampa (48-14), and Tampa was a HORRENDOUS team.
This would be the playoff game that didn't happen in '86 thanks to the Redskins beating the Bears in '86
Well we got humiliated 34-19 and it was no where near that close. That Bears team was excellent for years - that they didn't win more probably had to do with the handling of egos.
As for Walter Payton - the man was a genuine hero, and an amazing human being off the field. I get that he could have handled the post game of his only super bowl better - but there's a reason it's the Walter Payton award.
The 46 was a really effective defense in the 80's because it took away the running games that the better teams used back then. Today's spread offenses would render it ineffective.
Gilbride was talking about the 46 in the early 2000's either at the Combine or at a college day and he talked about how the Bears had the personnel to run a standard defense and still be dominant. He didn't believe their scheme was the result of the success, but it was that they had so many good, impact defenders.
But teams like the Niners and the introduction of multiple WR sets were good systems to offset the strengths of the 46.
I thought it was a really interesting point that probably never got explored too much because of the lore of that Bears team.
yep it was a gimmick defense that worked because of the players. Top to bottom that defense was loaded, with Duerson being the guy that made the 46 so effective.
+1
This would be the playoff game that didn't happen in '86 thanks to the Redskins beating the Bears in '86
Well we got humiliated 34-19 and it was no where near that close. That Bears team was excellent for years - that they didn't win more probably had to do with the handling of egos.
As for Walter Payton - the man was a genuine hero, and an amazing human being off the field. I get that he could have handled the post game of his only super bowl better - but there's a reason it's the Walter Payton award.
A game in 1987 has fuck-all to do with the 1986 playoffs. The team that beat the dynasty-era 49ers and the 1987 champ Redskins by a combined score of 66-3 would have lost at home to the Bears?? My ass they would have.
If we score there, there is some momentum shift and who knows how the game progresses? I think we still lose, but I also think we would have been right in it. I also believe that game play,ed a big part in their 1986 success.
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that was intimidating that year. But, I felt we played right with them in that playoff game. They had a shot until Carpenter fumbled in similar fashion to how Rice fumbled on the opening drive of the 86 divisional round against us. That fumble took the wind out of the sails for us. But, we would have been right in the game if he held the ball.
Didn't the Giants also have a muffed punt that somehow screwed them?
Yes. Landeta whiffed in one. Also, PK Shubert hit a dead solid straight FG into the upright, claimed he didn't know he was on the hash mark, Bobby Johnson dropped a perfect TD pass.
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Opening Monday night in 1987? Giants win in SB'86 Bears win SB in '85 -
This would be the playoff game that didn't happen in '86 thanks to the Redskins beating the Bears in '86
Well we got humiliated 34-19 and it was no where near that close. That Bears team was excellent for years - that they didn't win more probably had to do with the handling of egos.
As for Walter Payton - the man was a genuine hero, and an amazing human being off the field. I get that he could have handled the post game of his only super bowl better - but there's a reason it's the Walter Payton award.
A game in 1987 has fuck-all to do with the 1986 playoffs. The team that beat the dynasty-era 49ers and the 1987 champ Redskins by a combined score of 66-3 would have lost at home to the Bears?? My ass they would have.
Well put
In any event, we were only down 7-0 into the 4th, courtesy of the Landeta whiff and Shaun Gayle scooping it up and running it in for a TD..
Dan Marino beat their Defense because he decent enough receivers, but moreso the quickest release in football.
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Opening Monday night in 1987? Giants win in SB'86 Bears win SB in '85 -
This would be the playoff game that didn't happen in '86 thanks to the Redskins beating the Bears in '86
Well we got humiliated 34-19 and it was no where near that close. That Bears team was excellent for years - that they didn't win more probably had to do with the handling of egos.
As for Walter Payton - the man was a genuine hero, and an amazing human being off the field. I get that he could have handled the post game of his only super bowl better - but there's a reason it's the Walter Payton award.
A game in 1987 has fuck-all to do with the 1986 playoffs. The team that beat the dynasty-era 49ers and the 1987 champ Redskins by a combined score of 66-3 would have lost at home to the Bears?? My ass they would have.
I didn't say the Bears would have beat us in '86 -That's not my point - the point is they weren't an over rated one year mirage. They were a damn good football team for years.
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Opening Monday night in 1987? Giants win in SB'86 Bears win SB in '85 -
This would be the playoff game that didn't happen in '86 thanks to the Redskins beating the Bears in '86
Well we got humiliated 34-19 and it was no where near that close. That Bears team was excellent for years - that they didn't win more probably had to do with the handling of egos.
As for Walter Payton - the man was a genuine hero, and an amazing human being off the field. I get that he could have handled the post game of his only super bowl better - but there's a reason it's the Walter Payton award.
A game in 1987 has fuck-all to do with the 1986 playoffs. The team that beat the dynasty-era 49ers and the 1987 champ Redskins by a combined score of 66-3 would have lost at home to the Bears?? My ass they would have.
I didn't say the Bears would have beat us in '86 -That's not my point - the point is they weren't an over rated one year mirage. They were a damn good football team for years.
Damn good, largely because of the D and Buddy Ryan
Ryan wasn't a great HC and always seemed to overlook, even alienate his offense because he was so egotistical about his D (was even quoted saying something like "my D is so good, we don't need an O").
But he never adjusted and got smoked 21-7 by Jim Everett and the Rams at home in Philly in '89 playoffs (at least we took them to OT). Then they got smoked again, 20-6 in '90 playoffs to Mark Rypien and the Skins.
Another beautiful thing (for a Giant fan who suffered living in Philly at the time, like meself) was how Buddy and the eagles got matched up against the Bears 4 out of his 5 seasons as HC.
It was obvious Buddy hated Ditka and always claimed the Bears won bc of "his D". But Buddy and the eagles went 0-4 against the Bears, including the infamous "fog bowl" in the '88 playoffs. Ha ha!
They were a physically talented team of bullies who beat up (and padded stats) against weaker competition. The NFC Central was pitiably weak, with only the Vikings being competitive.
Ask yourself, who did those Bears teams lose to in big spots? In 1985 their lone lass was Miami and Don Shula. As mentioned above, what could have been if the Dolphins hadn't lost the AFC CG to New England and gotten a rematch with Chicago in the Super Bowl?
Who did the Bears lose to on their home field in the post season following their title? Washington and Joe Gibbs in 1986 & 1987, followed by San Francisco and Bill Walsh in 1988.
For good measure, the tandem of Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick put Chicago in their place in the 1990 post season at Giants Stadium The Bears were stupefied by the Giants change-up to a 4-3 defense. They were never able to make a counter adjustment and never found the end zone.
Ditka is not in the HOF as a coach, he's in as a player (deservedly so) and the myth of Buddy Ryan being some kind of genius makes me nauseous. He was a one-hit-wonder who caught lightning in a bottle. Even Ditka himself compared Ryan's intelligence to a "half empty beer can."
They were a physically talented team of bullies who beat up (and padded stats) against weaker competition. The NFC Central was pitiably weak, with only the Vikings being competitive.
Ask yourself, who did those Bears teams lose to in big spots? In 1985 their lone lass was Miami and Don Shula. As mentioned above, what could have been if the Dolphins hadn't lost the AFC CG to New England and gotten a rematch with Chicago in the Super Bowl?
Who did the Bears lose to on their home field in the post season following their title? Washington and Joe Gibbs in 1986 & 1987, followed by San Francisco and Bill Walsh in 1988.
For good measure, the tandem of Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick put Chicago in their place in the 1990 post season at Giants Stadium The Bears were stupefied by the Giants change-up to a 4-3 defense. They were never able to make a counter adjustment and never found the end zone.
Ditka is not in the HOF as a coach, he's in as a player (deservedly so) and the myth of Buddy Ryan being some kind of genius makes me nauseous. He was a one-hit-wonder who caught lightning in a bottle. Even Ditka himself compared Ryan's intelligence to a "half empty beer can."
well done Larry
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that was intimidating that year. But, I felt we played right with them in that playoff game. They had a shot until Carpenter fumbled in similar fashion to how Rice fumbled on the opening drive of the 86 divisional round against us. That fumble took the wind out of the sails for us. But, we would have been right in the game if he held the ball.
Didn't the Giants also have a muffed punt that somehow screwed them?
Landeta whiffed on a punt in his own end when there was a gust of wind and the Bears returned it for an easy TD. Though I've talked to Byron Hunt in the past who was on the field on that play and he said he didn't remember a wind gust, he thinks Landeta just blew it.
I was sitting in that end zone about 12 rows up, it was brutally cold but there was no wind during that punt. Landetta just plain whiffed it.
They were a physically talented team of bullies who beat up (and padded stats) against weaker competition. The NFC Central was pitiably weak, with only the Vikings being competitive.
Ask yourself, who did those Bears teams lose to in big spots? In 1985 their lone lass was Miami and Don Shula. As mentioned above, what could have been if the Dolphins hadn't lost the AFC CG to New England and gotten a rematch with Chicago in the Super Bowl?
Who did the Bears lose to on their home field in the post season following their title? Washington and Joe Gibbs in 1986 & 1987, followed by San Francisco and Bill Walsh in 1988.
For good measure, the tandem of Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick put Chicago in their place in the 1990 post season at Giants Stadium The Bears were stupefied by the Giants change-up to a 4-3 defense. They were never able to make a counter adjustment and never found the end zone.
Ditka is not in the HOF as a coach, he's in as a player (deservedly so) and the myth of Buddy Ryan being some kind of genius makes me nauseous. He was a one-hit-wonder who caught lightning in a bottle. Even Ditka himself compared Ryan's intelligence to a "half empty beer can."
That's one thing Gilbride alluded to when he talked about the 46 defense actually contributing to their downfall. He also said that the eagles D was insanely talented when Ryan coached there too and they couldn't handle the WC/spread offenses because they were tied to the 46.
The Giants won at Minnesota while the Bears got smoked in the Metrodome. The Bears were taken to OT at home by an Eagle team that the Giants crushed at home, 35-3.
That point differential you're so impressed by is mostly the product of two games - Cincinnati (44-7) and Tampa (48-14), and Tampa was a HORRENDOUS team.
You seem to be hung up on comparing the 1986 Bears and Giants. That wasn’t my point. I just used the PD to show that the Bears were hardly a one year wonder, not that they were better or worse than the Giants that season.
The Bears won 10+ games in 7 of 8 seasons from 1984 to 1991. They’re not a one year wonder because they won just one Super Bowl. WINNING SUPER BOWLS IN THAT ERA (AND CONFERENCE) WAS REALLY DIFFICULT. The Bears lost 3 playoff games to the eventual champions. Joe Montana lost 3 playoff games to the Giants. The John Robinson Rams had good teams, but got smoked twice in the conference championship game by the 85 Bears and Joe Montana. The Giants had to beat the greatest QB ever twice to win Super Bowls. I haven’t even mentioned Joe Gibbs. The Bears weren’t overrated. The conference was just insanely competitive.
In '86, the Giants had the 12-4 Redskins in the division. 3 teams in the Central had 5 wins or less.
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