So with starter Dalvin Tomlinson gone to the Vikings, that means the defense will be shuffled around. With the personnel we have now, barring any replacements in the draft, FA signings or resigning, could this work as a 3-3-5 defense with a three-safety defensive backfield?
LDE: B.J. Hill (former starter at LDE before Williams trade)
NT: Dexter Lawrence (shifts over from LDE)
RDE: Leonard Williams
LLB/SAM: Carter Coughlin
MLB/MIKE: Blake Martinez
RLB/WILL: Tae Crowder
LCB: James Bradberry
StS (Strong Safety): Jabrill Peppers
FS: Xavier McKinney
SlS (Slot Safety): Logan Ryan/Darnay Holmes
RCB: Isaac Yiadom
The main thing I'm struggling with is an edge rusher.
I like DT the player - but I don't think losing him kills the DL.
Losing LW will.
Please explain.
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Please explain. This is what we got right now.
It has no additional FA's or draft picks so...?
It has no additional FA's or draft picks so...?
I think it shows you that losing DT isn't as HUGE a deal as people are freaking out over. It also points to areas of need as stated, CB#2 and Edge. If we can pick up one in FA and one in the draft and add some MLB depth, the Defense is good to go. They NEED more talent on Offense, which kills me to say, being we've drafted a lot of talent there the last three years.
It has no additional FA's or draft picks so...?
I can't figure out if the Giants want to go edge rusher or WR in the draft since both are big needs. This is more like "what we have now and can we make it work", that sort of thing. I'd like us to draft either Kwity Paye or Gregory Rousseau as edge rushers, but both have their drawbacks and perhaps that's not what Judge or Graham have in mind since they have their edges, be it 4-3 end or 3-4 rushbacker, play contain the quarterback in the pocket instead of rush; a nice idea, but not something I have a lot of faith in after December 2020 where quarterbacks picked us apart from the pocket.
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In comment 15179581 HMunster said:
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Please explain. This is what we got right now.
This needs an explanation? The same team as last year? We had holes last year. If the Giants felt this could work all FA and Draft will be focused on offense.
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what's the point of this. You're listing players on the team. We know that.
It has no additional FA's or draft picks so...?
I can't figure out if the Giants want to go edge rusher or WR in the draft since both are big needs. This is more like "what we have now and can we make it work", that sort of thing. I'd like us to draft either Kwity Paye or Gregory Rousseau as edge rushers, but both have their drawbacks and perhaps that's not what Judge or Graham have in mind since they have their edges, be it 4-3 end or 3-4 rushbacker, play contain the quarterback in the pocket instead of rush; a nice idea, but not something I have a lot of faith in after December 2020 where quarterbacks picked us apart from the pocket.
There is more need for WR then there is for ER.
Aslo Coughlin/Crowder I dont see on the field together to much. I feel they would be in in different looks
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In comment 15179582 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 15179581 HMunster said:
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Please explain. This is what we got right now.
This needs an explanation? The same team as last year? We had holes last year. If the Giants felt this could work all FA and Draft will be focused on offense.
For all we know Judge and Graham are fine with this, judging by all the talk of "pass rush by committee", and the Patriots not having great or even good edge rushers since Judge seems to be copying Bill Belichick. I didn't put Carter and Ximines on here for edge rushers since neither has been better than mediocre, with both coming off injuries, and Fackrell and Sheard are on one-year deals unless resigned by the team.
I'm not even close to solid on Carter and Ximines, given that Carter is coming off a major injury and neither has been adequate at the best of times.
I don't know if they can afford either one.
As others have said, EDGE is problematic as the roster currently stands, without knowing how Carter and Ximines are progressing. And CB is Bradberry and a bunch of question marks. In the game he missed, the DBs couldn't cover anyone.
a CB2 and edge will be added via FA or draft.
I dont expect them not to sign a CB
I don’t play Madden. But I’m not sure if the Giants have the will to shore up the defensive line where it needs to be shored up.
CB2 = Butler or Hayward
DL = Short maybe? Only need a part time role player
As FA dollars are drying up, most of those guys other than Reddick are unlikely to command more than a 1 or 2 year deal.
But do that and they are entering the draft with a lot of flexibility.
That starting LB unit is also begging for upgrade. Guys like Coughlin and Crowder are worthwhile rotational players. They ought to be looking to upgrade that unit, though.
Also hate to see them shift Lawrence to NT. I don't think that's maximizing his talents. Outside in a 3-4 front, and inside in some 4 DL fronts.
As others have said, EDGE is problematic as the roster currently stands, without knowing how Carter and Ximines are progressing. And CB is Bradberry and a bunch of question marks. In the game he missed, the DBs couldn't cover anyone.
If he’s a DT in a four-man front, why have the Giants been using a 3-4 for the past three years when he’s been in the lineup? I’m not a fan of the 3-4, having grown up while the Giants were using the 4-3 with Strahan (later Tuck) and Umenyiora (later JPP), later but since the 3-4 is what they’re using right now and with teams using the nickel defense much more often, that puts me in a bind.
I’m not holding out hope that he’s still here.
Is this serious?
Is this serious?
No, they play this in the pros as well. It’s a nickel defense.
As others have said, EDGE is problematic as the roster currently stands, without knowing how Carter and Ximines are progressing. And CB is Bradberry and a bunch of question marks. In the game he missed, the DBs couldn't cover anyone.
I think the Plan A was to re-sign Tomlinson but Plan B has always been to put Lawrence in the middle. I think the Giants used him enough in place of Tomlinson and believe he can play there effectively. All that immediate post-draft stuff about how he could rush the passer from the DE position was just to justify having Tomlinson and Lawrence playing together.
If they Giants can’t get a good, second tier edge rusher, I think the Giants should re-sign Fackrell if at a reasonable cost, and open up the competition for both Edges to everyone on the roster (Carter, Coughlin, Ximmines, etc., plus a bargain basement free agent or draft pick).
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I think we need a dynamic outside LBer or Edge to add to this mix, not so sure he’s on the team yet. We have to hope that these young LBers develop into players. CB#2 needs to be solidified if we want this defense to work.
If they Giants can’t get a good, second tier edge rusher, I think the Giants should re-sign Fackrell if at a reasonable cost, and open up the competition for both Edges to everyone on the roster (Carter, Coughlin, Ximmines, etc., plus a bargain basement free agent or draft pick).
Is Fackrell worth the money?
I'm surprised to see you post this. I think the Giants were willing to let DT walk because they knew they had Dex to take his spot. I think Dex will excel at the NT/DT spot, why do you think he wouldn't?
And Gettleman’s had three years to add edge rushers after trading JPP away (which I think was a mistake but that’s neither here nor there). Either we’re not acquiring the right guys (scouting problem), they’re not improving (coaching problem), or what guys we’ve been acquiring just haven’t petered out (Markus Golden didn’t produce like he did in 2019, Kyler Fackrell only had 4 sacks).