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2 or 3 of Smith,Waddle,Pitts,Parsons, Slater available at 11

Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 10:52 am
With the draft order reshuffled it presents a very interesting dynamic for Giants:

1) Jaguars - QB Trevor Lawrence
2) Jets - QB Zach Wilson
3) 49ers - QB Trey Lance
4) Falcons - QB Justin Fields
5) Bengals - OT Penei Sewell- blue chip
6) Dolphins - WR Ja'Marr Chase- blue chip
7) Lions - WR Jaylen Waddle, have Hockenson, and lost 2 top WRs
8) Panthers - QB Mac Jones - Rhule all over him at Senior Bowl and said to love him
9) Broncos - Micah Parsons? They have a decent WR corp /Noah Fant, so maybe no Smith or Pitts.
10) Cowboys - Surtain, unlikely to take another offense weapon


Best way to look at this is it is a very high likelihood that 2 to 3 of these 5 WILL be available when we pick:

Smith,Waddle,Pitts,Parsons, Slater

Who do you pick and why?

*I did not include Surtain/Farley/Horn because with 30MM invested AAV in our top 2 CBs and Holmes as a promising young slot and a strong supporting cast of safeties, I don't see us going here round 1.

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RE: RE: I expect there will be another trade or 2 in front of us but here’s  
Spider56 : 3/27/2021 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15199889 Judge_and_Jury said:
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In comment 15199887 Spider56 said:


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the given ... 4 QBs, Sewell, Chase and Pitts are going as the first 7 ... the next 7 is where the fun begins ... could be:
Mac Jones, Slater, Waddle, Smith, Parsons, Surtain and Horn ... or one of the ERs.

Frankly, unless Chaos said to stay away from Parsons, I think he’s still the guy ... I’d expect them to blow smoke now to avoid losing him to the Cowboys ... that would be 2 years in a row losing arguably the best defensive player in the draft because they won a meaningless game in week 17.

If not Parsons or Slater, then I hope they trade down.

Rico is saying likely no on both.


There’s no doubt no one wants another Baker fiasco so if there’s any question on character or work ethic I fully understand ... but what doesn’t make sense is that the Giants under JJ have been very close mouthed on what they’re doing ... why would they Telegraph not being interested in guys 5 weeks before the draft? This makes me wonder.
It feels like the Giants are in all in mode  
AnnapolisMike : 3/27/2021 1:49 pm : link
WR may not make the most sense given what they did in free agency. This might be the year the Giants trade down a bit for an extra pick or two if BPA is a WR
I'm with George from PA - don't love any of them.  
Red Dog : 3/27/2021 2:22 pm : link
I'd like a trade down to acquire additional choices - plural - and get some more help in multiple areas including OL, DL, LB, CB, RB, and TE if they do the smart thing and trade EE now.
RE: It feels like the Giants are in all in mode  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/27/2021 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15199906 AnnapolisMike said:
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WR may not make the most sense given what they did in free agency. This might be the year the Giants trade down a bit for an extra pick or two if BPA is a WR


I dont think they will hesitate to pull the trigger on another WR at 11.

Shep is underwhelming and they have no depth.

A cost controlled weapon to pair with Golliday seems like a good idea to me.

I see a lot of mocks  
santacruzom : 3/27/2021 2:52 pm : link
That link Pitts to the Falcons at 4.
RE: RE: It feels like the Giants are in all in mode  
eric2425ny : 3/27/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15199926 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 15199906 AnnapolisMike said:


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WR may not make the most sense given what they did in free agency. This might be the year the Giants trade down a bit for an extra pick or two if BPA is a WR



I dont think they will hesitate to pull the trigger on another WR at 11.

Shep is underwhelming and they have no depth.

A cost controlled weapon to pair with Golliday seems like a good idea to me.


I think there’s a good chance Shep is gone after this year if he misses more than a game or two. He’s a nice player but has a relatively high cap number for the production level.
Judge_and_Jury  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/27/2021 3:44 pm : link
that's a pretty good analysis in my view --

and with Ricos input it would seem that Case or Pitts would be the pick. Two very good players. I probably give the nod to Pitts in that scenario mostly because he's more of a Giant, and I'd be on the horn to trade Engram for a 2 or 3rd rd pick to anyone who has expressed interest in him almost immediately
This scenario feels like ...  
FStubbs : 3/27/2021 4:16 pm : link
2014, when we had a shot at Zach Martin or Aaron Donald and went with Beckham. Which at first looked like a great move, but as time played out, it was proven to be the wrong pick.

If this is a redo, then I hope the Giants would make the right decision here (in other words, not the WR).

This draft is deep in WR and we have a functional corps already. 2nd-3rd round feel like the places to get one. I'd rather we get Parsons (if by some absolute miracle Dallas passes on him, though I can't see that happening) or Slater.
RE: This scenario feels like ...  
Spider56 : 3/27/2021 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15200006 FStubbs said:
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2014, when we had a shot at Zach Martin or Aaron Donald and went with Beckham. Which at first looked like a great move, but as time played out, it was proven to be the wrong pick.

If this is a redo, then I hope the Giants would make the right decision here (in other words, not the WR).

This draft is deep in WR and we have a functional corps already. 2nd-3rd round feel like the places to get one. I'd rather we get Parsons (if by some absolute miracle Dallas passes on him, though I can't see that happening) or Slater.


+1.
RE: This scenario feels like ...  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15200006 FStubbs said:
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2014, when we had a shot at Zach Martin or Aaron Donald and went with Beckham. Which at first looked like a great move, but as time played out, it was proven to be the wrong pick.

If this is a redo, then I hope the Giants would make the right decision here (in other words, not the WR).

This draft is deep in WR and we have a functional corps already. 2nd-3rd round feel like the places to get one. I'd rather we get Parsons (if by some absolute miracle Dallas passes on him, though I can't see that happening) or Slater.


Pitts is almost universally projected as one of the top non QBs in the entire draft. Do you pass him up?
RE: This scenario feels like ...  
bw in dc : 3/27/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15200006 FStubbs said:
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2014, when we had a shot at Zach Martin or Aaron Donald and went with Beckham. Which at first looked like a great move, but as time played out, it was proven to be the wrong pick.

If this is a redo, then I hope the Giants would make the right decision here (in other words, not the WR).

This draft is deep in WR and we have a functional corps already. 2nd-3rd round feel like the places to get one. I'd rather we get Parsons (if by some absolute miracle Dallas passes on him, though I can't see that happening) or Slater.


Very good post. Now that we have KG, the key is building a better wall for DJ.
RE: There will be quality OLs available in the 2nd  
FStubbs : 3/27/2021 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15199809 BillT said:
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You take the skill position player with the premium pick. Either of the WRs and as far as I can tell Pitts isn't a WR.


Like George Young said, there are only a few dancing elephants to go around.

Shiny hood ornaments can be had later and we just signed one.
Unless it's Surtain, or someone totally out of left field (like Late)  
bLiTz 2k : 3/27/2021 6:45 pm : link
The pick is going to be offense...I would love Waddle because he brings a totally different dynamic than any weapon the Giants have...

I'd be good with Pitts, or Smith as well. Parsons is nearly a remote thrower.
RE: Unless it's Surtain, or someone totally out of left field (like Late)  
bLiTz 2k : 3/27/2021 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15200101 bLiTz 2k said:
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The pick is going to be offense...I would love Waddle because he brings a totally different dynamic than any weapon the Giants have...

I'd be good with Pitts, or Smith as well. Parsons is nearly a remote thrower.


Damn autocorrect...PAYE****
You go trenches  
MotownGIANTS : 3/27/2021 6:52 pm : link
in that scenario .... OL to maximize all your young offensive talent or complete the defense completely. If the plan is to build a complete team you can complete 1 side or make both have enough strategic pieces to have the unfinished product have some balance to have a viable chance to at least compete in the division and get a ticket to the party.

Meaning next off-season all parts will be obtained especially on the defensive side.
RE: This scenario feels like ...  
nyballa0891 : 3/27/2021 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15200006 FStubbs said:
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2014, when we had a shot at Zach Martin or Aaron Donald and went with Beckham. Which at first looked like a great move, but as time played out, it was proven to be the wrong pick.


I don’t see an Aaron donald or zack martin in this draft (maybe sewell) but im sure he will be gone by 11.
bw in dc  
BigBlueCane : 3/27/2021 8:09 pm : link
that's probably why they're eyeing the Tennessee kid. Remember we have 2 Vol coaches on staff.
RE: bw in dc  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15200179 BigBlueCane said:
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that's probably why they're eyeing the Tennessee kid. Remember we have 2 Vol coaches on staff.


Like Trey Smith but would rather have Leatherwood
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/27/2021 8:11 pm : link
We have a 'functional' WR corps? Uh, what? God forbid KG gets injured, we have no one.
RE: ...  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15200182 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We have a 'functional' WR corps? Uh, what? God forbid KG gets injured, we have no one.


Rudolph and a potentially healthy Barkley improve the dynamic quite a bit.
J&J.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/27/2021 8:23 pm : link
Well, Rudolph isn't Mr. Health right now & Saquon has missed significant time since his rookie season.

I want offensive skill player @ 11, preferably Smith.
RE: J&J.  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15200197 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Well, Rudolph isn't Mr. Health right now & Saquon has missed significant time since his rookie season.

I want offensive skill player @ 11, preferably Smith.


They may be in their own row as far as grade so it could very well be a WR or Pitts at 11.
RE: RE: ...  
Eman11 : 3/27/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15200192 Judge_and_Jury said:
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In comment 15200182 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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We have a 'functional' WR corps? Uh, what? God forbid KG gets injured, we have no one.



Rudolph and a potentially healthy Barkley improve the dynamic quite a bit.


Yes but neither are part of our WR Corp.

I agree we don’t have much there if KG misses any time.
Rico  
ryanmkeane : 3/27/2021 10:56 pm : link
thanks as always.

Pitts, Smith, Waddle seems like Giants top 3 - they hope 1 is there. If not, take the edge talent- Ojulari could be the backup plan if all are gone assuming Surtain gone as well
It is fairly nice to  
section125 : 3/27/2021 11:37 pm : link
not to have to pick anyone.

I cannot see Detroit taking Waddle over Smith if they go WR. However, I have a feeling the Giants go for the impact player. So I think they go WR or CB. Not sure what happens to Farley after he surgery, but presume he drops bigtime.

I think they take Smith/Waddle or Surtain.

Oline will be later.

FWIW, my friend a former Michigan football player says Kwity Paye has all the measurables to be a great player, but absolutely needs the right coach, like a Belichick(or Judge) to develop and push him.
Keep in mind  
ryanmkeane : 3/28/2021 12:02 am : link
there are surprises every year and this year will be no different. There will be 1-2 players that we aren’t even discussing that will probably get drafted in the top 10
RE: Keep in mind  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 4:42 am : link
In comment 15200388 ryanmkeane said:
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there are surprises every year and this year will be no different. There will be 1-2 players that we aren’t even discussing that will probably get drafted in the top 10


It is possible a guy may sneak in but I would doubt 2 guys will sneak in. Half the teams will be going QB and Sewell and Chase are the blue chippers.
Judge  
ryanmkeane : 3/28/2021 4:28 pm : link
I hear ya. All I’m saying is the media experts mock and rankings are typically quite different than actual NFL teams
RE: Judge  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15200887 ryanmkeane said:
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I hear ya. All I’m saying is the media experts mock and rankings are typically quite different than actual NFL teams


Absolutely. Let's see... I'd be a bit surprised though if we got more than 1 unexpected riser.
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