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Who's the top OL for our system in round 2?

Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 4:53 pm
If the value is just too great at WR/TE at 11, who could drop to 43 and be the best fit in our system?

While I really like Trey Smith, I think the guy I like the most is Leatherwood. He has position versatility and would be an excellent pass pro guy at either OG spot. I like Dickerson as well but don't love the injury history. Also a guy with a ton of high level experience at 'Bama that could step year 1 at a high level.

It was said here that Garrett's plan was to run an outside zone blocking scheme for Barkley. I believe Leatherwood would flourish in this vs. a power/gap blocking scheme.
What system does Garrett run?  
Angel Eyes : 3/27/2021 4:57 pm : link
The systems I know (and there are doubtless more out there) are West Coast, Air Coryell, and whatever system utilized the Packer Sweep.
dickerson if he's there  
GiantsFan84 : 3/27/2021 5:03 pm : link
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RE: dickerson if he's there  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15200027 GiantsFan84 said:
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Why? Not concerned about the injury history?
not really  
GiantsFan84 : 3/27/2021 5:09 pm : link
and i think he's good enough that you take the risk
It’s hard to say  
Biteymax22 : 3/27/2021 5:11 pm : link
We have a new OL Coach who was also an OC in college, I think Sale is going to have a big influence on the run game.

The question becomes “what is a Rob Sale guy?”. I’m not sure we can answer that right now.
The Giants need to add a guard  
Jay on the Island : 3/27/2021 5:49 pm : link
preferably on day 2. Regardless of how you feel about Hernandez, Lemieux, and Murphy the Giants need a real long term option there since Hernandez is a FA at season's end. He has developed as hoped but he's still a solid starter and the best option they currently have.

I am a big fan of Lemieux but I would rather see the Giants bring another option on day 2 to compete with Lemieux for the starting spot. If Lemieux improves his pass pro then the Giants have a good problem on their hands.

The day 2 options that I really like are Trey Smith, Alex Leatherwood, Aaron Banks, Quinn Meinerz, Jackson Carman, and Walker Little. Walker Little is one of the biggest boom/bust prospects in the draft. He was considered a potential top 10 pick in the 2020 draft going into that season but he suffered a knee injury during the first game of the season and decided to return to college which turned out to be a mistake due to COVID.
How do you know  
paesan98 : 3/27/2021 6:33 pm : link
that an o-lineman will be the BPA when our second pick comes up? That's where we should be looking for the first three rounds.
RE: How do you know  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15200093 paesan98 said:
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that an o-lineman will be the BPA when our second pick comes up? That's where we should be looking for the first three rounds.


He may not be but it will be close enough considering its one of the greatest needs remaining on the entire team.
Dickerson in 2 would be ideal.  
Capt. Don : 3/27/2021 8:39 pm : link
it would also be a surprise to me.
RE: How do you know  
BillT : 3/27/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15200093 paesan98 said:
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that an o-lineman will be the BPA when our second pick comes up? That's where we should be looking for the first three rounds.

Because by the 2nd round there will probably be at least a half dozen players who will be ranked closely enough together to be considered the BPA. Getting one that fills an important need is what this is about.
Trey Smith, Creed Humphrey or Aaron Banks in Round 3  
Anakim : 3/27/2021 8:46 pm : link
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Leatherwood would be a guy with decent tackle feet  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 8:50 pm : link
Playing OG. That usually equals an excellent pass protector. For a potential outside zone scheme and to pull he would be a great fit here.
Is anyone else  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/27/2021 9:19 pm : link
concerned about the track record of Alabama OL in the NFL? I may be missing something, but I cannot think of many who have been successful. Jedrick Wills might be the exception.
RE: The Giants need to add a guard  
Bill in UT : 3/27/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15200064 Jay on the Island said:
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preferably on day 2. Regardless of how you feel about Hernandez, Lemieux, and Murphy the Giants need a real long term option there since Hernandez is a FA at season's end. He has developed as hoped but he's still a solid starter and the best option they currently have.



Then why did Hernandez spend much of the time on the bench when he was supposedly healthy?
Josh Meyer  
uncledave : 3/27/2021 10:35 pm : link
Is my gut
Guy  
uncledave : 3/27/2021 10:35 pm : link
Sorry autocorrect
RE: Is anyone else  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/28/2021 9:05 am : link
Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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concerned about the track record of Alabama OL in the NFL? I may be missing something, but I cannot think of many who have been successful. Jedrick Wills might be the exception.
Hey, John Hannah and Dwight Stephenson are in the Hall of Fame. 😉

Granted, the twenty years since Chris Samuels have been grim. I think the League has learned the lesson, at least to some degree, since the famous clip of Saban laughing his @$$ off when James Carpenter was picked.
Leatherwood probably  
jeff57 : 3/28/2021 9:10 am : link
At RT or LG.
Some strong OG candidates possibly at 43 listed below  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 9:16 am : link
1.Trey Smith:

Smith's are as follows, Height (6054), weight (321), Hand (9 6/8), Arm (33 5/8), wing (82 1/8), 40-yard dash (5.14, 5.11), Vertical 31", broad jump (9-4), 3-cone (7.43), bench press (32).

Struggled a bit with the swim move on the inside otherwise was excellent. Checks many boxes for what NYG looks for in an OL.


1A.Alex Leatherwood:

The 2020 Outland Trophy Winner measured in at 6-foot-5, 312 pounds. He posted a 85 3/8-inch wingspan (98th percentile) and a 34.5-inch vertical leap (98th percentile). He ran a 4.96 40-yard dash (94th percentile) and posted a 9-foot, 10-inch broad jump (99th percentile).

He played both guard and tackle at Alabama and would likely be a plug-and-play starter on the Bengals' offensive line.

“Some teams like me at tackle, some at guard,” Leatherwood said on Monday. “It just all depends on what team you’re talking about and their team needs but I feel like most of them think that I can play anywhere on the offensive line.”

May like him even better than Trey as while he may not be a pure people mover , he is an amazing blocker and has best versatility of all the guys listed. Peart/Solder are not sure things at RT and he could play RT at a high level if we needed to slide him over easily. Tremendous puller and outside zone scheme fit.


3.Quinn Meinerz:

Tipping the scales at 320 pounds, Meinerz was timed as fast as 4.86 seconds in the forty with a 10-yard split of 1.73 seconds. His short shuttle was timed at 4.47 seconds and his three-cone was timed 7.33 seconds. He touched 32 inches on the vertical jump and 9-feet-3-inches on the board jump.


4.Creed Humphrey:

Humphrey has been one of the most consistent centers in the country for the past three years. He’s allowed only 28 pressures over that span on nearly 1,300 pass-blocking snaps. He boasts a versatile body type for the interior at 6-foot-5, 320 pounds and isn’t likely limited to only center at the next level.

When Humphrey gets his hand placement down, he’s not letting go. He flashes some of the best hand usage in the draft class, and it’s why he’s excelled in pass protection over his career.


5.Wyatt Davis: (could easily be higher if not for medical red flags)

Davis is a dominant run blocker, able to consistently generate movement along the line of scrimmage in almost any blocking scheme. He has the play strength to drive defenders off the ball in man-gap schemes, as well as enough athleticism to stress the defensive front in zone schemes. Likewise, he has enough agility and long speed to be an effective pulling guard and is able to block with accuracy in space. He is better in power concepts than outside zone running schemes, but can execute both effectively.


6. Landon Dickerson (could be higher if not for multiple medicals)

Can play all across the OL and is a destroyer and mountain of a man. Another great fit and could be right up their at #1 if not for the injuries.


7. Teven Jenkins (unlikely to drop):

Most say OT only some think he could play OG too.


8. Dillon Radunz (unlikely to drop):

Had perhaps the best week end to end at Senior Bowl even better than Meinerz.
Most believe he is Tackle only
Round 3 options include  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 9:29 am : link
Aaron Banks
Josh Myers
Jackson Carman
Ben Cleveland
Landon Dickerson (due to injury risk , but upside is rd 1)
Quinn Meinerz (due to small school and lack of experience but seems like a natural)

*With our very high need , would much prefer to go 43 here or even double dip at 43 and rd.3 and go defense most of the rest of the way.
Dickerson  
Mark from Jersey : 3/28/2021 9:53 am : link
man kid can play but 3 knee injuries over his college career?
Wanted to clarify  
Mark from Jersey : 3/28/2021 9:56 am : link
LD's injury history. Not three knees but not great:

Dickerson’s injury history is also a fairly large concern, however. In five college football seasons, Dickerson suffered four season-ending injuries. He tore his ACL in 2016, missed nine games in 2017, and was forced to redshirt by an ankle injury in 2018. Then, of course, he tore his ACL again at the tail end of the 2020 season. Dickerson is a potential starter with his solid mechanics, motor, and play power. However, durability is very important. And it’s a legitimate red flag for the Alabama center.
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RE: Wanted to clarify  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 10:02 am : link
In comment 15200508 Mark from Jersey said:
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LD's injury history. Not three knees but not great:

Dickerson’s injury history is also a fairly large concern, however. In five college football seasons, Dickerson suffered four season-ending injuries. He tore his ACL in 2016, missed nine games in 2017, and was forced to redshirt by an ankle injury in 2018. Then, of course, he tore his ACL again at the tail end of the 2020 season. Dickerson is a potential starter with his solid mechanics, motor, and play power. However, durability is very important. And it’s a legitimate red flag for the Alabama center. Source - ( New Window )


Thanks Mark which is why you probably can't take him at 43. Too high with other pretty strong options still available. Round 3 or later absolutely.
So I’ll ask again: what system do the Giants run?  
Angel Eyes : 3/28/2021 11:57 am : link
My view on an offensive line is that they’ll work in whatever system’s given to them, but I could be wrong. On that front, what system are the Giants running with Garrett/Kitchens?
RE: So I’ll ask again: what system do the Giants run?  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15200608 Angel Eyes said:
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My view on an offensive line is that they’ll work in whatever system’s given to them, but I could be wrong. On that front, what system are the Giants running with Garrett/Kitchens?


Apparently as was said by a few in the know on this board that Giants intended to implement an outside zone blocking scheme for Barkley but that changed after he went out. Leatherwood would be ideal for this system.
Wyatt Davis  
Breeze_94 : 3/28/2021 12:56 pm : link
Is a force, especially in the run game. Big part of Dobbins and Sermons success
RE: Wyatt Davis  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15200663 Breeze_94 said:
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Is a force, especially in the run game. Big part of Dobbins and Sermons success


Injuries make him riskier. Leatherwood a better pass pro guy and more versatile. Davis no doubt a great talent though
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