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Milton : 3/27/2021 5:23 pm
Weirdest thing about the Eagles trade was that they willingly went from drafting ahead of two division rivals to drafting behind two division rivals. What does that say about their thoughts on the prospects in the six to twelve range?

My draft plan...
Pick#11: Pitts, Chase, Smith, or Waddle. I really want another playmaking pass-catching threat in addition to Golladay. It's the multiple threats that make the Chiefs offense the most dangerous in the NFL. Pitts and Chase aren't likely to be available at 11, so I'm realistically hoping for Waddle or Smith. I was originally nervous about Smith's size, but the reality is the guy has had a healthier college career than most at his position. If the four passcatchers I mentioned are gone, Rousseau is the ER I like, but this might also be a situation for trading down and landing Kadarius Toney later in round one.
Pick#42: Leatherwood, Mayfield, Radunz, Davis. When I read what the respective draftniks have to say about the OL talent and where they land in their overall rankings, it is perfectly aligned for the Giants to fill their OL need in round two. Of the four mentioned above, I like Leatherwood th best because of his versatility and ability to immediately fill the starting right guard job. Davis can also immediately fill that same starting job, but he lacks the versatility that the other three have demonstrated when it comes to also competing at tackle (plus he's coming off an injury).
Pick#76:LB Baron Browning and RB Michael Carter are two prospects I like with this pick, but it's hard to get a handle on availability here because the draftniks are all over the place. If they go WR and OL in rounds 1 and 2, I can see them targeting ER or 5-technique with this pick, I'm just uncertain on the prospects.
Pick#116: Marvin Wilson and Khyiris Tonga are two nose tackles who could help replace the loss of Tomlinson with this pick. Hard to predict who will be available and in what round when it comes to Day 3, so I won't try, but the 4th round is a good place to find nose tackles, running backs, and offensive guards. It's also a good place to grab a developmental QB if you had a 2nd round grade on one that has slipped this far.
Top 2 picks are slam dunks  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 5:28 pm : link
Value is too good too pass up Pitts, Waddle or Smith rd.1 and Leatherwood rd.2 is a perfect fit here both in versatility as well as in a zone blocking scheme.
Puck 76  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/27/2021 5:35 pm : link
Tryon probably doesn't make it that far but Quincy Roche has a chance to. Two high upside sack guys. Like Patrick Jones too
the 12th pick is cheaper  
Chip : 3/27/2021 5:37 pm : link
Eagles don't have much space for picks and season. Let alone 4 players 2022 who are not under contract with a voidable year remaining and 8 players in 2023. They also have 14 million in dead money next year already.
Good work....  
George from PA : 3/27/2021 5:38 pm : link
Kadarius Toney is just as good as the guys in the top of the draft imo
Nicely done Milton  
eric2425ny : 3/27/2021 5:57 pm : link
I am in 100% agreement with you on this. I love the idea of getting one of those UNC backs in particular.
Nice job Milton  
Earl the goat : 3/27/2021 6:37 pm : link
If Pitts falls to 11. Then 116 I would take Nico Collins. WR Michigan

As for late round RB give me Rhamondre Stevenson Oklahoma
Earl, have you given up on Creed Humphrey?  
Klaatu : 3/27/2021 7:06 pm : link
I hope not, because he's in the mix for my annual "Give me _____ or give me death" thread.

With musical accompaniment.
Milton  
cosmicj : 3/27/2021 7:28 pm : link
I also expect rounds 1-2 to go down exactly as you describe.

My prediction is that the 3rd rounder will be a wtf headscratcher, and that won’t necessarily be bad. We are totally unaware of what the scouts think about some of the mid round prospects.

Nice work.
RE: Earl, have you given up on Creed Humphrey?  
Earl the goat : 3/27/2021 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15200117 Klaatu said:
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I hope not, because he's in the mix for my annual "Give me _____ or give me death" thread.

With musical accompaniment.


I think the kid from Wisconsin Whitester is better. Quinn Meinerz
RE: RE: Earl, have you given up on Creed Humphrey?  
Klaatu : 3/27/2021 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15200166 Earl the goat said:
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I hope not, because he's in the mix for my annual "Give me _____ or give me death" thread.

With musical accompaniment.



I think the kid from Wisconsin Whitester is better. Quinn Meinerz


Well then...
How about  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/27/2021 9:15 pm : link
1. Smith, WR
2. Tryon, ER
3. Ben Cleveland OG
4 James Hudson OT
They’re going WR  
Bill L : 3/27/2021 10:16 pm : link
Then DT, then RB, then begin filling in other spots for depth (where OL and CB will come in, unless there’s a developmental QB).

That’s their approach and not what we overemphasize (like edge) or perceive a gigantic need that they don’t (like OL)
RE: They’re going WR  
Angel Eyes : 3/27/2021 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15200314 Bill L said:
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Then DT, then RB, then begin filling in other spots for depth (where OL and CB will come in, unless there’s a developmental QB).

That’s their approach and not what we overemphasize (like edge) or perceive a gigantic need that they don’t (like OL)

You can’t run a machine with deficient parts. A bad OL will sink a quarterback, an edge rusher who can’t threaten a quarterback will give receivers enough time to get separation from the defensive backs.
RE: RE: They’re going WR  
Bill L : 3/27/2021 11:20 pm : link
In comment 15200339 Angel Eyes said:
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Then DT, then RB, then begin filling in other spots for depth (where OL and CB will come in, unless there’s a developmental QB).

That’s their approach and not what we overemphasize (like edge) or perceive a gigantic need that they don’t (like OL)


You can’t run a machine with deficient parts. A bad OL will sink a quarterback, an edge rusher who can’t threaten a quarterback will give receivers enough time to get separation from the defensive backs.


You’re just not watching this team and how they do things or postering to what they say when they talk about their team. You’re merely going by what you think they should do. They’re not going to force and edge rusher when they already have 5 guys to play the spot and also scheme to get their rush from other players. And at OL they’re not going to throw away someone who went through a rookie experience with all that entails and replace him with another rookie who will also go through the rookie experience and all that entails.
RE: RE: RE: They’re going WR  
Milton : 3/28/2021 2:41 am : link
In comment 15200364 Bill L said:
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And at OL they’re not going to throw away someone who went through a rookie experience with all that entails and replace him with another rookie who will also go through the rookie experience and all that entails.
It's not about replacing Lemieux at left guard, it's about replacing Zeitler at right guard. Projecting Hernandez and Peart as starters on the right side with Fulton and Solder as their veteran backups is risky business. And it's not as if we are assured of Lemieux taking a step forward. Flowers and Hernandez both seemed to regress after their rookie years.

So the need for a bonafide talent who can compete at both guard spots and right tackle would be well worth the 42nd pick. This is why Leatherwood is such a good fit. The coaching staff would have to be pretty confident in Peart not to add a tackle prospect early in the draft. And if it's someone who can compete at both guard spots, they get to kill three birds with one stone. Dickerson is an excellent prospect along the interior OL, but he's never played outside. Same with Wyatt Davis, who only played right guard throughout his college career as far as I know.
RE: RE: RE: RE: They’re going WR  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 4:50 am : link
In comment 15200418 Milton said:
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And at OL they’re not going to throw away someone who went through a rookie experience with all that entails and replace him with another rookie who will also go through the rookie experience and all that entails.

It's not about replacing Lemieux at left guard, it's about replacing Zeitler at right guard. Projecting Hernandez and Peart as starters on the right side with Fulton and Solder as their veteran backups is risky business. And it's not as if we are assured of Lemieux taking a step forward. Flowers and Hernandez both seemed to regress after their rookie years.

So the need for a bonafide talent who can compete at both guard spots and right tackle would be well worth the 42nd pick. This is why Leatherwood is such a good fit. The coaching staff would have to be pretty confident in Peart not to add a tackle prospect early in the draft. And if it's someone who can compete at both guard spots, they get to kill three birds with one stone. Dickerson is an excellent prospect along the interior OL, but he's never played outside. Same with Wyatt Davis, who only played right guard throughout his college career as far as I know.


Giants have been missing the point on OL for a LONG TIME. Let's see if they finally get it right here. Leatherwood due to the tremendous versatility is the guy you bring in and even trade up for if you have to. Judge has been preaching versatility. This team needs to build a great pass pro wall around Daniel and even with Leatherwood the other OG spot would still likely be a substandard pass pro guy in either Lemieux or Hwrnandez. But at least one OG spot would have a guy who has faced quality competition throughout the highest levels of college football. Watch out for Steelers though they like this kid a lot.
RE: RE: RE: They’re going WR  
Angel Eyes : 3/28/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15200364 Bill L said:
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Then DT, then RB, then begin filling in other spots for depth (where OL and CB will come in, unless there’s a developmental QB).

That’s their approach and not what we overemphasize (like edge) or perceive a gigantic need that they don’t (like OL)


You can’t run a machine with deficient parts. A bad OL will sink a quarterback, an edge rusher who can’t threaten a quarterback will give receivers enough time to get separation from the defensive backs.



You’re just not watching this team and how they do things or postering to what they say when they talk about their team. You’re merely going by what you think they should do. They’re not going to force and edge rusher when they already have 5 guys to play the spot and also scheme to get their rush from other players. And at OL they’re not going to throw away someone who went through a rookie experience with all that entails and replace him with another rookie who will also go through the rookie experience and all that entails.

Oh I am watching the team. How many times have you seen the offensive line break down and Jones make a poor play due to it? How many times have you seen the defensive line struggle to get to the quarterback and the quarterback pick us apart? The guys we have at edge aren’t doing the job, we’ve had three years to see Carter improve (to give an example) and he’s coming off a major injury.
I hear the thought of WR in round 1 and OL in round 2  
Rjanyg : 3/28/2021 9:26 pm : link
But there is a chance Parsons could be there at 11. The kid is a freak. Watching the pro day interview with PSU coach, said he played RB and Rush End in high school, planned to play him at edge but they needed help at LB and they moved him. He is a natural defender and our front 7 could use more natural playmakers.

WR is deep, interior OL is deep. We can add these positions in rounds 2 & 3.

Parsons is a guy we hope is available.
Nice post Milton  
Bricktop : 3/28/2021 9:31 pm : link
Enjoyed reading that.
I've always liked Leatherwood  
Bricktop : 3/28/2021 9:44 pm : link
Big base, anchors reasonably well, violent punch and he's got some nasty. Hips are a bit tight, bend isn't great, footwork is heavy - but in a pro S&C program his flexibility will be vastly improved. I'll be interested to see his physical measurables. I generally like Alabama OL and this guy has played in high leverage games, pretty versatile and has a great pedigree program-wise. Plus, the JJ - Saban connect. Again, great post Milton.
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