that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
I have no interest in watching any NBA games. Can't even remember the last time I actually watched. I used to enjoy watching the Knicks in the 90's, the bulls with Jordan and pippen. The Celtics with bird and the Lakers with magic Johnson. The Phoenix suns were even fun to watch with barkley, majerle and Kevin Johnson. The NBA has gone down the tunes since.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
I have no interest in watching any NBA games. Can't even remember the last time I actually watched. I used to enjoy watching the Knicks in the 90's, the bulls with Jordan and pippen. The Celtics with bird and the Lakers with magic Johnson. The Phoenix suns were even fun to watch with barkley, majerle and Kevin Johnson. The NBA has gone down the tunes since.
Cool.
Remember the NBA was going to overtake the NFL talk?
The NBA anymore as a whole. Players forcing trades, super teams, no defense, step back travels allowed for more scoring. I watch the Knicks but no other games.
That was pretty prominent around 2017 if I recall.
& it might, who knows? I don't think it will, but it feels like NBA has surpassed MLB in terms of popularity, especially among Millennials. This is anecdotally, but the guys who I work with who are in their 20s couldn't pitch Mike Trout of a lineup, but would instantly recognize probably 40-50 plus NBA players.
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I will give Nets this caveat though...championship or bust, provided KD is out on the court. If he's not, that's not the best team in the league. It might win the East, but it's not 'championship or bust' in that instance.
That was pretty prominent around 2017 if I recall.
& it might, who knows? I don't think it will, but it feels like NBA has surpassed MLB in terms of popularity, especially among Millennials. This is anecdotally, but the guys who I work with who are in their 20s couldn't pitch Mike Trout of a lineup, but would instantly recognize probably 40-50 plus NBA players.
It will never overtake the NFL. If it was going to it would have been in the 90’s.
Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
However, the chance of that happening (NBA over NFL) is very slim
The NFL is starting to tackle the concussion issue and is modifying their rules and equipment to protect the players more effectively. The NFL has to be more strident with the college ranks and youth football ranks to do the same (aka discourage coaches from teaching kids to hit with the helmet, etc).
Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
It’s popular but the popularity is driven by player movement. I’m not so sure that’s a bad thing either given the 24/7 sports media cycle. But, in terms of watching the games, I’m not so sure it has surpassed baseball. Definitely not regionally. Nationally yes, but the ratings are very close.
You can't say unequivocally that the NFL will never be surpassed. Remember boxing used to be THE sport in this country & now it's a fringe sport. Yes, NFL will probably remain king, but nothing is set in stone, especially if parents don't let their kids play because of the concussion issue.
Funny the Nets are signing all these washed-up bigs to try to stop Joel Embiid .. There is no one in the Nba that will stop Embiid from winning the nba championship this year
That was pretty prominent around 2017 if I recall.
& it might, who knows? I don't think it will, but it feels like NBA has surpassed MLB in terms of popularity, especially among Millennials. This is anecdotally, but the guys who I work with who are in their 20s couldn't pitch Mike Trout of a lineup, but would instantly recognize probably 40-50 plus NBA players.
the talk at the time was about the NBA passing the MLB, which is clearly and obviously has. This board just skews old as fuck, and always has, and is generally not in touch with what is popular, what is a popular opinion, and what is not. Hence the "get off my lawn" / "old man yells at clouds" posts against the NBA being the first responses, let alone half the other shit posted here that isn't directly football related
Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
if the concussion issue is mishandled by the NFL and the sport is declared too dangerous to play in some political circles
political circles? Give me a fucking break, what a joke. You might as well complain about cancel culture and the media just to complete the triumvirate of dipshittery
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
Keep telling yourself that and look at the most recent TV deals the NFL got with CBS, FOX, ESPN, etc.
The NFL is, without a doubt, the most popular sports league in this nation. No argument here. Will that ALWAYS be the case? None of us know. It's stupid to say whether that will be true one way or the other.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
Cool.
It is cool. You know what isn’t? Mercenary ball. The nba is a joke.
RE: RE: RE: Remember the NBA was going to overtake the NFL talk?
That was pretty prominent around 2017 if I recall.
& it might, who knows? I don't think it will, but it feels like NBA has surpassed MLB in terms of popularity, especially among Millennials. This is anecdotally, but the guys who I work with who are in their 20s couldn't pitch Mike Trout of a lineup, but would instantly recognize probably 40-50 plus NBA players.
the talk at the time was about the NBA passing the MLB, which is clearly and obviously has. This board just skews old as fuck, and always has, and is generally not in touch with what is popular, what is a popular opinion, and what is not. Hence the "get off my lawn" / "old man yells at clouds" posts against the NBA being the first responses, let alone half the other shit posted here that isn't directly football related
I’m 39 and have thought the NBA has been shit since 2011 when I was 29. It’s not entertaining anymore. There are basically 2-3 teams that have a chance to win every year. The traveling is out of control, the flopping is comical. There are almost no likable players. Compare today’s league to the mid 90’s when you had Jordan, Shaq, etc. It’s not even close to being as great as that was.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
No you are not. The 3 pointer and subsequent strategy of hoisting them up 80% of the time has made what was a great game a joke.
It cracks me up with all these posters coming onto this thread to piss on the NBA. Haha. Maybe I should go on baseball threads & be like, 'Wow. Another 6 hour game. Boring. MLB sucks.'
It cracks me up with all these posters coming onto this thread to piss on the NBA. Haha. Maybe I should go on baseball threads & be like, 'Wow. Another 6 hour game. Boring. MLB sucks.'
Sorry man, I realize you are a fan but it’s sad now for me anyway. I used to love the NBA so I guess seeing another good player getting a buyout to join an already loaded team just irritated me because that’s what ruined the game I used to like during the NFL offseason. I’m not a baseball or hockey guy really so the NBA was my go to after the NFL season ended.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
if the concussion issue is mishandled by the NFL and the sport is declared too dangerous to play in some political circles
political circles? Give me a fucking break, what a joke. You might as well complain about cancel culture and the media just to complete the triumvirate of dipshittery
Oh I absolutely agree with you, I think it's BS too that some people in political circles think football is too dangerous. But those people exist
It's fine that you no longer love the NBA. You're not alone. I have buddies who have lost interest in the league too over the years. It's not like a scarlet letter.
It just cracks me up that this thread is like a bat signal for posters who hate the NBA to come out in force & call the league an 'abortion'.
I liked baseball growing up. I couldn't even name a player on probably 20 plus teams right now. Do I go onto baseball threads & bemoan the sport? No. Because who cares? I have no interest.
It cracks me up with all these posters coming onto this thread to piss on the NBA. Haha. Maybe I should go on baseball threads & be like, 'Wow. Another 6 hour game. Boring. MLB sucks.'
You can and I wouldnt argue. I can’t wait for baseball but I can admit it isn’t for everyone. Have at it.
I don’t go on hockey threads because I don’t want to like hockey.
There was a time where I put the nba in front of the NFL and that time is no more and hast been for a while. Give me back what the league used to be and I’ll be a fan again.
I have no problem with people hating the current NBA. I love hoops. It's always been my second favorite sport after football. I came of age during the '90s Knicks & those teams hold a special place in my heart. And it finally-FINALLY!-looks like the Knicks are on the right track.
The NBA criticism that cracks me up is the 'Well, only like 2 or 3 teams have a shot to win each year.' It's been that way most of my life & most of the league's history. Just for me...the '80s were dominated by Lakers/Celts. The '90s...Bulls/Rockets. The '00s...Lakers/Spurs. The '10s...Heat/Warriors. It's rare to see a '04 Pistons or '19 Raptors. It's a star driven league.
I was 10 and 15. Now I realize how ridiculous the rules are and I don’t watch sports through the lens of a 10/15 year old anymore. I also loathe the NFL sometimes.
These leagues need to realize that not everything they do is good and we as fans shouldn’t support foolishness. Personally I’m going to stop watching when things get bad enough. If they ever change I’ll be back but until then they lost me as a fan. They likely don’t care at all and I’m ok with that.
I was 15 in 1995, 20 in 2000. And I think both leagues were better than they are now. But that's my opinion. I hate that the NFL has basically become so pro offense that you can't even breathe on WRs anymore without a flag. It sucks.
I was out on the nba partially because the knicks were so bad. But my BIL got season tix to the nets when they moved to bkln and he had great seats. Watching them live sort of reignited my interest. The athleticism is off the charts. The defense and length is terrific. The refs suck bit that’s all sports. Enjoying it now more than I have in years.
the NBA kind of screwed itself up with the max system
and I say this as a Nets fan. If the $ is equal in FA, how else do you make decisions where to go? Winning teams, big cities, and places with friends are going to be more appealing.
they've started fixing it a little bit with the super max extensions and jmo but things will be a lot better if they can keep guys like Giannis in Mil and Doncic in Dallas, KD in OKC, etc. Making it the financially obvious decision will help, especially early in their careers when they don't already have $100-200m in the bank.
Loved the league back then. I’m enjoying this Knick team this year, but I just don’t have the same passion as I do for the Giants. Wish I did, but it just got lost over the years. Still root for them though.
As for the NBA bashing on this specific thread, you can’t be surprised based on the content of the subject. Aldridge going to an already loaded team after getting out of his Spurs contract is pretty lousy. That’s the context of the criticism and that is fair imo.
Loved the league back then. I’m enjoying this Knick team this year, but I just don’t have the same passion as I do for the Giants. Wish I did, but it just got lost over the years. Still root for them though.
As for the NBA bashing on this specific thread, you can’t be surprised based on the content of the subject. Aldridge going to an already loaded team after getting out of his Spurs contract is pretty lousy. That’s the context of the criticism and that is fair imo.
Agreed Sean. The interesting thing to me is I feel like free agency almost works better from a competitiveness standpoint in the NFL but it is the opposite in the NBA. In the NFL it has created parity, the only team that has been a constant threat in the modern NFL is the Patriots. We see teams rise and we see teams fall, rinse, repeat. In the NBA, presumably because the teams are smaller it has allowed players to manipulate the market to team up on a team in a desirable location. The guaranteed and max contracts create their own issues. It’s an interesting case study in free markets and sports in general.
It’d be nice to see them win a championship before my time is up on this planet! They’re positioned to do just that. No issue with that at all. There’s other ways to build that championship team, but it hasn’t stopped teams like the Lakers or Miami from building these Superstar teams, that’s the nature of the NBA and so why not the NETS. I sense lots of animosity here. I suppose we have lots of Knicks fans here.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
I was 10 and 15. Now I realize how ridiculous the rules are and I don’t watch sports through the lens of a 10/15 year old anymore. I also loathe the NFL sometimes.
These leagues need to realize that not everything they do is good and we as fans shouldn’t support foolishness. Personally I’m going to stop watching when things get bad enough. If they ever change I’ll be back but until then they lost me as a fan. They likely don’t care at all and I’m ok with that.
I will say the NBA in the 90s was my favorite think ever. I used to watch Knicks games over many Giants games. Especially when it was a marquis match up. But as many have said, the changing of the rules to make defensive play taboo, the Tim Donnelly scandal, the overwhelming commercial side of the game and the stars aligning themselves for title runs is disgusting. The stars outside of Lillard are horrible personas.
I am enjoying watching the Knicks build organically, but that too will change. This league fucking blows. I was just wat hing the Knicks and the officials actually get ready to blow the whistle based on how hurky jerky the player's body is going to the hole. They domt call fouls, they call reactions. The NBA is an awful league that was made its bitch by China because they make their shoes.
I'm enjoying watching all of the Knick games this year. I do miss big men playing inside and don't like what would have been a double dribble on nearly every bounce of the ball.
I no longer watch a minute of college BB (and football). The arrogant self-important coaches are a huge turn off. I wish that college sports were real students playing other schools that they can get to on a school bus. But no big time college sports would leave ESPN with no programming.
Time to get back to the 2nd half on the Knicks now.
Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
Keep telling yourself that and look at the most recent TV deals the NFL got with CBS, FOX, ESPN, etc.
I'm talking about nba vs mlb. Not the nfl. Nfl is king, and will be for a long, long time. Baseball is receding
RE: RE: RE: The NBA actually could overtake the NFL
if the concussion issue is mishandled by the NFL and the sport is declared too dangerous to play in some political circles
political circles? Give me a fucking break, what a joke. You might as well complain about cancel culture and the media just to complete the triumvirate of dipshittery
Oh I absolutely agree with you, I think it's BS too that some people in political circles think football is too dangerous. But those people exist
hut dur very funny. Football is really fucking dangerous, it's not political. The subtext is obvious to read, and no, the kind aren't cancelling football. Nobody is
RE: RE: RE: RE: The NBA actually could overtake the NFL
if the concussion issue is mishandled by the NFL and the sport is declared too dangerous to play in some political circles
political circles? Give me a fucking break, what a joke. You might as well complain about cancel culture and the media just to complete the triumvirate of dipshittery
Oh I absolutely agree with you, I think it's BS too that some people in political circles think football is too dangerous. But those people exist
hut dur very funny. Football is really fucking dangerous, it's not political. The subtext is obvious to read, and no, the kind aren't cancelling football. Nobody is
With some incidents that have occurred, you're right. Even with the best precautions, football has had serious injuries. I must apologize. However, I was specifically referencing the concussion issue which is the reason the NFL has been hauled to Congress several times by lawmakers
Anyway, it's really pathetic to see someone try to interject politics into something as benign and obvious as new research on CTE having an impact on people's perception of the dangers of football. Guess it's easier to blame everyone and everything else when reality doesn't gel with what you want it to be.
Football is dangerous and I still love it. People will stay play it. But less people will play in the future, because more people know how dangerous it can be and is.
But yeah, something something political circles. What a fucking joke.
Anyway, it's really pathetic to see someone try to interject politics into something as benign and obvious as new research on CTE having an impact on people's perception of the dangers of football. Guess it's easier to blame everyone and everything else when reality doesn't gel with what you want it to be.
Football is dangerous and I still love it. People will stay play it. But less people will play in the future, because more people know how dangerous it can be and is.
But yeah, something something political circles. What a fucking joke.
The NFL has been hauled to Congress on several occasions by lawmakers who believe the sport has mishandled the issue (and for a long time, they have, and in some respects, they still don't have it right yet). So yes, there are people in political circles who think the sport is too dangerous
Anyway, this should be a conversation about Aldridge and the Nets
So quickly become a space for everyone to bash the NBA? Like, you’re fully entitled to your opinion, but I’m just saying there are threads on the Knicks and Nets every day (mostly Knicks) and so why today did everyone decide to come in here and say these things? “Aldridge to the Nets”... such a random thread to decide to do that on. And we all already knew that the sport had become less popular particularly w/ white males over the age of 40. Not sure why we all needed to be reminded of that today.
Anyway— i will say many of the criticisms of the NBA now sound like they’re coming from people who haven’t watched the sport since the mid- 2000s... and usually that’s because that’s the exactly the case. Whenever I hear my 70 yr old dad bash the NBA he seems to talk about it like it’s still in the midst of the big man era and MJ just retired lmao. Not all criticisms though— some are well founded, and actually I think Jeff Van Gundy of all people calls out a lot of these things and unabashedly things they should change. Some of the things are just unchangeable and a product of the generation. But that’s the way shit is— There’s a lot of things I don’t like about the NBA today and a lot of things I don’t like about the NFL today. I still watch both because they both still feature the greatest collection of athletes in the world.
The NFL is still by far my favorite sports league though
Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
Well under 39 here...subscribes to cable and doesn't stream everything. Might want to rethink *literally*
But being from Denmark and having lived in Thailand, I just wanted to share my pov.
The NBA is 100 times more popular in Asia and Europe than the NFL. I actually think the NBA could make a huge profit even if all Americans stopped watching. The players are GODS in Asia (where the NFL is waaaaaaay below sports like badminton in viewership/popularity).
This is a "Nets" thread and it's filled with NBA haters and Knicks fans. The NBA has absolutely changed. Accept it or move on,for better or worse. Go Nets!
But being from Denmark and having lived in Thailand, I just wanted to share my pov.
The NBA is 100 times more popular in Asia and Europe than the NFL. I actually think the NBA could make a huge profit even if all Americans stopped watching. The players are GODS in Asia (where the NFL is waaaaaaay below sports like badminton in viewership/popularity).
Point taken. The NBA is more viable internationally. Probably makes them the league with the rosiest future.
It cracks me up with all these posters coming onto this thread to piss on the NBA. Haha. Maybe I should go on baseball threads & be like, 'Wow. Another 6 hour game. Boring. MLB sucks.'
Every sport used to be better until they weren't. Commissioners fucking around with the product for two reasons..
1. They think they have a problem they need to solve
2. They think changes in the game will bring new fans
Just popped in to read the thread. Not sure why so much NBA hate. The NBA has a ton of talent in the league right now and it is fun to watch. It’s a different brand of basketball but still enjoyable. The only team I couldn’t stand to watch was the rockets with Harden, but Harden has changed his game on the Nets and even the Nets are watchable. I’m not a fan of what the Nets have done but that’s what the league has become. As a Nets fan it will probably be cool to win this year, which the Nets will, but part of you have to feel a little weird about it, that there isn’t one homegrown player on this team. It’s almost like an all star team decided to play in Brooklyn, as talented as the team is and your almost gurantees to win the championship barring injury there doesn’t seem to be any buzz about the Nets in the tri state area. I don’t mean this joking around I have lived in NJ for 35 plus years and I still do not know a single Nets fan.
I understand knocking the NBA product today, but I'm not sure the Nets signing a backup big man who's gonna play a few minutes a night is justification for doing so.
This has been the NBA for decades - these buyout guys trying to ring chase. No difference when they all did with the Lakers a few years ago or the Heat with LeBron.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
I haven't watched a full game in years. I'll follow through the news online but watch an NBA game? Why. 3-4 teams have a chance. Its the Globetrotters vs the Generals in 90% of the games. Regular season is meaningless. As are moist of the playoffs. For any sport to thrive you need some fans of teams to follow other games. NBA years ago people loved to see Magic and Bird play anyone. Now?
How many regular people know who the Greek Freak is outside ofthe Bucks area? and es one ofmthe best 2-3 guys in the League.
Of collusion and it all started with LeBron James. Was talking to my brother about this last night. They need to do something to stop this from happening. I mean as a Nets fan are you even excited about winning a championship with almost zero real Nets players? They should put a number on each player before the year starts and your team should not be able to exceed that number at any time during the year. For instance, LeBron would be a 5, Harden would be a 5, RJ Barrett would be a 3. Figure something out because this is just ridiculous at this point.
about player to player collusion. Any employee under contract of as team talking to another would be that. But zero chance that ever gets enforced.
Ratting dipped during all of this IIRC. Are they up? and even if they are China will prop up the NBA some how money wise. Lebron already made that clear. The Quality of the product isn't important. Increasing their revenues are. And losing viewers and fans here isn't important if they can do that.
Some of these comments are comical. Complaining only a few teams are title contenders? When has the league ever not been like that? I never understood that complaint. The NBA has its fault but it has an incredibly high level of basketball talent.
By the way Aldridge isn’t any good anymore. This is coming from someone who loved his game when he was younger. But he has fallen off a cliff and isn’t even playing at a starter level. Not sure this really moves the needle for them at all.
I really hope Embiid is healthy come playoff time. I could see him dominating Brooklyn.
Some of these comments are comical. Complaining only a few teams are title contenders? When has the league ever not been like that? I never understood that complaint. The NBA has its fault but it has an incredibly high level of basketball talent.
By the way Aldridge isn’t any good anymore. This is coming from someone who loved his game when he was younger. But he has fallen off a cliff and isn’t even playing at a starter level. Not sure this really moves the needle for them at all.
I really hope Embiid is healthy come playoff time. I could see him dominating Brooklyn.
Why do I have to accept it just because it’s always been that way? I wasn’t an adult 25 years ago, why should what I rooted for as a child have any bearing on today?
Player collusion and artificial super teams stink.
They are likely to sign a $75B TV deal for the next contract.
And if you look at Knicks threads on this board, they tend to be very busy.
Big question is, if the Nets win the title, which they are the odds on favorite, do they start to gain popularity on the Knicks?
If the Knicks can continue to improve, it won’t happen. If the Knicks go sideways it could. Link - ( New Window )
Speaking as a Nets fan, it would take a sustained period where the Nets are a contender and the Knicks are not for things to change. You saw that to a degree with the Devils in the late 90s and first half of the 2000s. The Devils have/had a much larger foothold than they previously did (although also speaking of someone who moved out of the area in 2004, the Devils' pathetic performances for most of the last decade may have reserved some of that).
New York will always be a Knicks, Rangers, and Giants' city. There was just too much time for fans to flock to those teams before the other teams came on the scene.
I completely understand why this thread has become "bash the NBA"
The creation of super teams has been a major issue ever since LeBron announced he was bringing his talents to South Beach. You really can't win a NBA Championship without one. I've long bitched about the super team phenomenon, until my team became part of the trend. Call it hypocrisy all you want, but I believe that while you can denounce something, sometimes who have to play along with the current system while arguing for change. Otherwise, you'll just get accused of having sour grapes and easily dismissed.
Now why does the Nets thread become a "bash the NBA" thread? Well, (1) the Nets have a super team, and (2) Knicks fans don't like the Nets very much right now. It's funny. The Nets have typically been a team that can be mocked or just simply dismissed, but you see an uptick of anti-Nets comments in Knicks' threads. The Nets are in their heads right now, and it amuses me.
I just don't know what you do about "player collusion"
I say this is as a guy who thinks it's cheesy as shit.
But there's a cap and if
1. a player is willing to sign below market value to their own financial detriment and
2. they have no shame or qualms about their legacy being hollow
what's left? The NBA stepping in and declaring a signing illegal because the team is "too good?" It seems like that's what fans want to happen. I guess that's not surprising since we live in a time where many favor authorities trying to control free markets with often disastrous and/or unexpected results.
I say this is as a guy who thinks it's cheesy as shit.
But there's a cap and if
1. a player is willing to sign below market value to their own financial detriment and
2. they have no shame or qualms about their legacy being hollow
what's left? The NBA stepping in and declaring a signing illegal because the team is "too good?" It seems like that's what fans want to happen. I guess that's not surprising since we live in a time where many favor authorities trying to control free markets with often disastrous and/or unexpected results.
There's a lot they can do but won't because they want scoring and lots of it.
1. Create a hard cap
2. Widen court and move the 3 point line back
3. Allow hand checking again (with this #2 wouldn't be as necessary)
4. Do something about the timeouts and fouls with 2 minutes left in a game
Are fans really tuning in to watch a team score 112 points per game and will turn off if they only score 100?
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
Cool.
It is cool. You know what isn’t? Mercenary ball. The nba is a joke.
The NBA has the best product by a mile. The NFL is the joke. 90 guys change rosters per team each year. Thats whats lame.
Than it’s ever been. Due to CTE; more parents are putting their kids in basketball than any other sport. Also, the WNBA is by far the most successful women’s sports league in the US. Second only to FIFA in the world. Basketball has a huge world market, played professionally in every continent. So what?! Damarcus Aldridge decides to play for the Nets?!When’s the last time they won anything? Yes players are playing on teams they want to be on... However, we are talking about a washed up Blake Griffin and Aldridge. Those guys are just trying to prevent their names going along side guys like Barkley and Ewing. Great players that never won a championship.
I disagree @Bramton1 that Knicks fans are throwing up anti-Nets talk on a Nets thread because they are bitter and jeaolous, etc.
Smart Knick fans know, the team has been down so long it is going to take time to build a culture, develop the young players, cash in on their many draft picks over the next couple of years and use that massive $60m of cap space next season.
Most of us are thrilled they seem to finally have turned the ship around, are playing hard every game, every minute (almost) and just enjoying that.
By the time the Knicks are really ready to compete for a title, Durant/Irving/Harden will be older, not motivated in the same way, and wildly rich.
So speaking as one Knicks fan, good luck to the Nets, if you guys win a title, great, if not, who cares?
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
Cool.
It is cool. You know what isn’t? Mercenary ball. The nba is a joke.
The NBA has the best product by a mile. The NFL is the joke. 90 guys change rosters per team each year. Thats whats lame.
MMA has the best product. See how easy it is to jsut type an opinion ande pretend its fact. And unlike inthe the NBA when your past your prime you cant ask another fighter to join you or fight your fight so you win a hollow championship.
Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
Well under 39 here...subscribes to cable and doesn't stream everything. Might want to rethink *literally*
Sorry. Typo, meant to say 29, which makes my post make a lot more sense.
that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
I haven't watched a full game in years. I'll follow through the news online but watch an NBA game? Why. 3-4 teams have a chance. Its the Globetrotters vs the Generals in 90% of the games. Regular season is meaningless. As are moist of the playoffs. For any sport to thrive you need some fans of teams to follow other games. NBA years ago people loved to see Magic and Bird play anyone. Now?
How many regular people know who the Greek Freak is outside ofthe Bucks area? and es one ofmthe best 2-3 guys in the League.
Giannis is really really popular. I'm not sure where you're getting the sense that he isn't a well known star.
elsewhere in the world? That's always such a bizarre argument.
It just shows the disconnect between individual opinion and fact. It kind of renders statements like "who actually knows who Giannis is" as inaccurate. When a sport crosses into global fame and cuts across wildly different demographics, it's a lot more popular than just outdated US tv ratings or the opinions of people who last cared about the NBA in 94 believe it to be.
I'm a big time Net fan from the days of them playing in Piscataway. Rooting hard for them to win it all.
That said, the Knicks are king and will always be king of NBA basketball in the NYC. Just like the Giants will be over the Jets. Yankees over the Mets. Rangers over the Devils and Islanders, etc.
I have no interest in watching any NBA games. Can't even remember the last time I actually watched. I used to enjoy watching the Knicks in the 90's, the bulls with Jordan and pippen. The Celtics with bird and the Lakers with magic Johnson. The Phoenix suns were even fun to watch with barkley, majerle and Kevin Johnson. The NBA has gone down the tunes since.
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that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
I have no interest in watching any NBA games. Can't even remember the last time I actually watched. I used to enjoy watching the Knicks in the 90's, the bulls with Jordan and pippen. The Celtics with bird and the Lakers with magic Johnson. The Phoenix suns were even fun to watch with barkley, majerle and Kevin Johnson. The NBA has gone down the tunes since.
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Yup. Anything less is a massive failure.
& it might, who knows? I don't think it will, but it feels like NBA has surpassed MLB in terms of popularity, especially among Millennials. This is anecdotally, but the guys who I work with who are in their 20s couldn't pitch Mike Trout of a lineup, but would instantly recognize probably 40-50 plus NBA players.
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That was pretty prominent around 2017 if I recall.
& it might, who knows? I don't think it will, but it feels like NBA has surpassed MLB in terms of popularity, especially among Millennials. This is anecdotally, but the guys who I work with who are in their 20s couldn't pitch Mike Trout of a lineup, but would instantly recognize probably 40-50 plus NBA players.
It will never overtake the NFL. If it was going to it would have been in the 90’s.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
It’s popular but the popularity is driven by player movement. I’m not so sure that’s a bad thing either given the 24/7 sports media cycle. But, in terms of watching the games, I’m not so sure it has surpassed baseball. Definitely not regionally. Nationally yes, but the ratings are very close.
Either way, the NFL runs laps over both sports.
You can already see what the finals are gonna look like.
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& it might, who knows? I don't think it will, but it feels like NBA has surpassed MLB in terms of popularity, especially among Millennials. This is anecdotally, but the guys who I work with who are in their 20s couldn't pitch Mike Trout of a lineup, but would instantly recognize probably 40-50 plus NBA players.
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Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
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that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
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Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
Keep telling yourself that and look at the most recent TV deals the NFL got with CBS, FOX, ESPN, etc.
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that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
Cool.
It is cool. You know what isn’t? Mercenary ball. The nba is a joke.
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That was pretty prominent around 2017 if I recall.
& it might, who knows? I don't think it will, but it feels like NBA has surpassed MLB in terms of popularity, especially among Millennials. This is anecdotally, but the guys who I work with who are in their 20s couldn't pitch Mike Trout of a lineup, but would instantly recognize probably 40-50 plus NBA players.
the talk at the time was about the NBA passing the MLB, which is clearly and obviously has. This board just skews old as fuck, and always has, and is generally not in touch with what is popular, what is a popular opinion, and what is not. Hence the "get off my lawn" / "old man yells at clouds" posts against the NBA being the first responses, let alone half the other shit posted here that isn't directly football related
I’m 39 and have thought the NBA has been shit since 2011 when I was 29. It’s not entertaining anymore. There are basically 2-3 teams that have a chance to win every year. The traveling is out of control, the flopping is comical. There are almost no likable players. Compare today’s league to the mid 90’s when you had Jordan, Shaq, etc. It’s not even close to being as great as that was.
No you are not. The 3 pointer and subsequent strategy of hoisting them up 80% of the time has made what was a great game a joke.
Sorry man, I realize you are a fan but it’s sad now for me anyway. I used to love the NBA so I guess seeing another good player getting a buyout to join an already loaded team just irritated me because that’s what ruined the game I used to like during the NFL offseason. I’m not a baseball or hockey guy really so the NBA was my go to after the NFL season ended.
The NBA is a very hard watch the last ten years.
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if the concussion issue is mishandled by the NFL and the sport is declared too dangerous to play in some political circles
political circles? Give me a fucking break, what a joke. You might as well complain about cancel culture and the media just to complete the triumvirate of dipshittery
Oh I absolutely agree with you, I think it's BS too that some people in political circles think football is too dangerous. But those people exist
It just cracks me up that this thread is like a bat signal for posters who hate the NBA to come out in force & call the league an 'abortion'.
I liked baseball growing up. I couldn't even name a player on probably 20 plus teams right now. Do I go onto baseball threads & bemoan the sport? No. Because who cares? I have no interest.
You can and I wouldnt argue. I can’t wait for baseball but I can admit it isn’t for everyone. Have at it.
There was a time where I put the nba in front of the NFL and that time is no more and hast been for a while. Give me back what the league used to be and I’ll be a fan again.
The NBA criticism that cracks me up is the 'Well, only like 2 or 3 teams have a shot to win each year.' It's been that way most of my life & most of the league's history. Just for me...the '80s were dominated by Lakers/Celts. The '90s...Bulls/Rockets. The '00s...Lakers/Spurs. The '10s...Heat/Warriors. It's rare to see a '04 Pistons or '19 Raptors. It's a star driven league.
These leagues need to realize that not everything they do is good and we as fans shouldn’t support foolishness. Personally I’m going to stop watching when things get bad enough. If they ever change I’ll be back but until then they lost me as a fan. They likely don’t care at all and I’m ok with that.
they've started fixing it a little bit with the super max extensions and jmo but things will be a lot better if they can keep guys like Giannis in Mil and Doncic in Dallas, KD in OKC, etc. Making it the financially obvious decision will help, especially early in their careers when they don't already have $100-200m in the bank.
As for the NBA bashing on this specific thread, you can’t be surprised based on the content of the subject. Aldridge going to an already loaded team after getting out of his Spurs contract is pretty lousy. That’s the context of the criticism and that is fair imo.
I am not a fan of these super teams either, but it is what it is.
I will be rooting against Nets in playoffs.
As for the NBA bashing on this specific thread, you can’t be surprised based on the content of the subject. Aldridge going to an already loaded team after getting out of his Spurs contract is pretty lousy. That’s the context of the criticism and that is fair imo.
Agreed Sean. The interesting thing to me is I feel like free agency almost works better from a competitiveness standpoint in the NFL but it is the opposite in the NBA. In the NFL it has created parity, the only team that has been a constant threat in the modern NFL is the Patriots. We see teams rise and we see teams fall, rinse, repeat. In the NBA, presumably because the teams are smaller it has allowed players to manipulate the market to team up on a team in a desirable location. The guaranteed and max contracts create their own issues. It’s an interesting case study in free markets and sports in general.
Cool story 😱🥱
These leagues need to realize that not everything they do is good and we as fans shouldn’t support foolishness. Personally I’m going to stop watching when things get bad enough. If they ever change I’ll be back but until then they lost me as a fan. They likely don’t care at all and I’m ok with that.
I will say the NBA in the 90s was my favorite think ever. I used to watch Knicks games over many Giants games. Especially when it was a marquis match up. But as many have said, the changing of the rules to make defensive play taboo, the Tim Donnelly scandal, the overwhelming commercial side of the game and the stars aligning themselves for title runs is disgusting. The stars outside of Lillard are horrible personas.
I am enjoying watching the Knicks build organically, but that too will change. This league fucking blows. I was just wat hing the Knicks and the officials actually get ready to blow the whistle based on how hurky jerky the player's body is going to the hole. They domt call fouls, they call reactions. The NBA is an awful league that was made its bitch by China because they make their shoes.
I no longer watch a minute of college BB (and football). The arrogant self-important coaches are a huge turn off. I wish that college sports were real students playing other schools that they can get to on a school bus. But no big time college sports would leave ESPN with no programming.
Time to get back to the 2nd half on the Knicks now.
And if you look at Knicks threads on this board, they tend to be very busy.
Big question is, if the Nets win the title, which they are the odds on favorite, do they start to gain popularity on the Knicks?
If the Knicks can continue to improve, it won’t happen. If the Knicks go sideways it could.
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Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
Keep telling yourself that and look at the most recent TV deals the NFL got with CBS, FOX, ESPN, etc.
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if the concussion issue is mishandled by the NFL and the sport is declared too dangerous to play in some political circles
political circles? Give me a fucking break, what a joke. You might as well complain about cancel culture and the media just to complete the triumvirate of dipshittery
Oh I absolutely agree with you, I think it's BS too that some people in political circles think football is too dangerous. But those people exist
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if the concussion issue is mishandled by the NFL and the sport is declared too dangerous to play in some political circles
political circles? Give me a fucking break, what a joke. You might as well complain about cancel culture and the media just to complete the triumvirate of dipshittery
Oh I absolutely agree with you, I think it's BS too that some people in political circles think football is too dangerous. But those people exist
hut dur very funny. Football is really fucking dangerous, it's not political. The subtext is obvious to read, and no, the kind aren't cancelling football. Nobody is
With some incidents that have occurred, you're right. Even with the best precautions, football has had serious injuries. I must apologize. However, I was specifically referencing the concussion issue which is the reason the NFL has been hauled to Congress several times by lawmakers
Football is dangerous and I still love it. People will stay play it. But less people will play in the future, because more people know how dangerous it can be and is.
But yeah, something something political circles. What a fucking joke.
Football is dangerous and I still love it. People will stay play it. But less people will play in the future, because more people know how dangerous it can be and is.
But yeah, something something political circles. What a fucking joke.
The NFL has been hauled to Congress on several occasions by lawmakers who believe the sport has mishandled the issue (and for a long time, they have, and in some respects, they still don't have it right yet). So yes, there are people in political circles who think the sport is too dangerous
Anyway— i will say many of the criticisms of the NBA now sound like they’re coming from people who haven’t watched the sport since the mid- 2000s... and usually that’s because that’s the exactly the case. Whenever I hear my 70 yr old dad bash the NBA he seems to talk about it like it’s still in the midst of the big man era and MJ just retired lmao. Not all criticisms though— some are well founded, and actually I think Jeff Van Gundy of all people calls out a lot of these things and unabashedly things they should change. Some of the things are just unchangeable and a product of the generation. But that’s the way shit is— There’s a lot of things I don’t like about the NBA today and a lot of things I don’t like about the NFL today. I still watch both because they both still feature the greatest collection of athletes in the world.
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Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
The NBA is 100 times more popular in Asia and Europe than the NFL. I actually think the NBA could make a huge profit even if all Americans stopped watching. The players are GODS in Asia (where the NFL is waaaaaaay below sports like badminton in viewership/popularity).
The NBA is 100 times more popular in Asia and Europe than the NFL. I actually think the NBA could make a huge profit even if all Americans stopped watching. The players are GODS in Asia (where the NFL is waaaaaaay below sports like badminton in viewership/popularity).
Point taken. The NBA is more viable internationally. Probably makes them the league with the rosiest future.
Every sport used to be better until they weren't. Commissioners fucking around with the product for two reasons..
1. They think they have a problem they need to solve
2. They think changes in the game will bring new fans
Wrong on both counts.
This has been the NBA for decades - these buyout guys trying to ring chase. No difference when they all did with the Lakers a few years ago or the Heat with LeBron.
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that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
I haven't watched a full game in years. I'll follow through the news online but watch an NBA game? Why. 3-4 teams have a chance. Its the Globetrotters vs the Generals in 90% of the games. Regular season is meaningless. As are moist of the playoffs. For any sport to thrive you need some fans of teams to follow other games. NBA years ago people loved to see Magic and Bird play anyone. Now?
How many regular people know who the Greek Freak is outside ofthe Bucks area? and es one ofmthe best 2-3 guys in the League.
Ratting dipped during all of this IIRC. Are they up? and even if they are China will prop up the NBA some how money wise. Lebron already made that clear. The Quality of the product isn't important. Increasing their revenues are. And losing viewers and fans here isn't important if they can do that.
By the way Aldridge isn’t any good anymore. This is coming from someone who loved his game when he was younger. But he has fallen off a cliff and isn’t even playing at a starter level. Not sure this really moves the needle for them at all.
I really hope Embiid is healthy come playoff time. I could see him dominating Brooklyn.
By the way Aldridge isn’t any good anymore. This is coming from someone who loved his game when he was younger. But he has fallen off a cliff and isn’t even playing at a starter level. Not sure this really moves the needle for them at all.
I really hope Embiid is healthy come playoff time. I could see him dominating Brooklyn.
Why do I have to accept it just because it’s always been that way? I wasn’t an adult 25 years ago, why should what I rooted for as a child have any bearing on today?
Player collusion and artificial super teams stink.
And if you look at Knicks threads on this board, they tend to be very busy.
Big question is, if the Nets win the title, which they are the odds on favorite, do they start to gain popularity on the Knicks?
If the Knicks can continue to improve, it won’t happen. If the Knicks go sideways it could. Link - ( New Window )
Speaking as a Nets fan, it would take a sustained period where the Nets are a contender and the Knicks are not for things to change. You saw that to a degree with the Devils in the late 90s and first half of the 2000s. The Devils have/had a much larger foothold than they previously did (although also speaking of someone who moved out of the area in 2004, the Devils' pathetic performances for most of the last decade may have reserved some of that).
New York will always be a Knicks, Rangers, and Giants' city. There was just too much time for fans to flock to those teams before the other teams came on the scene.
Now why does the Nets thread become a "bash the NBA" thread? Well, (1) the Nets have a super team, and (2) Knicks fans don't like the Nets very much right now. It's funny. The Nets have typically been a team that can be mocked or just simply dismissed, but you see an uptick of anti-Nets comments in Knicks' threads. The Nets are in their heads right now, and it amuses me.
But there's a cap and if
1. a player is willing to sign below market value to their own financial detriment and
2. they have no shame or qualms about their legacy being hollow
what's left? The NBA stepping in and declaring a signing illegal because the team is "too good?" It seems like that's what fans want to happen. I guess that's not surprising since we live in a time where many favor authorities trying to control free markets with often disastrous and/or unexpected results.
But there's a cap and if
1. a player is willing to sign below market value to their own financial detriment and
2. they have no shame or qualms about their legacy being hollow
what's left? The NBA stepping in and declaring a signing illegal because the team is "too good?" It seems like that's what fans want to happen. I guess that's not surprising since we live in a time where many favor authorities trying to control free markets with often disastrous and/or unexpected results.
There's a lot they can do but won't because they want scoring and lots of it.
1. Create a hard cap
2. Widen court and move the 3 point line back
3. Allow hand checking again (with this #2 wouldn't be as necessary)
4. Do something about the timeouts and fouls with 2 minutes left in a game
Are fans really tuning in to watch a team score 112 points per game and will turn off if they only score 100?
Imagine calling timeout in the NFL and getting to advance the ball 20 yards?
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that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
Cool.
It is cool. You know what isn’t? Mercenary ball. The nba is a joke.
Smart Knick fans know, the team has been down so long it is going to take time to build a culture, develop the young players, cash in on their many draft picks over the next couple of years and use that massive $60m of cap space next season.
Most of us are thrilled they seem to finally have turned the ship around, are playing hard every game, every minute (almost) and just enjoying that.
By the time the Knicks are really ready to compete for a title, Durant/Irving/Harden will be older, not motivated in the same way, and wildly rich.
So speaking as one Knicks fan, good luck to the Nets, if you guys win a title, great, if not, who cares?
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that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
Cool.
It is cool. You know what isn’t? Mercenary ball. The nba is a joke.
The NBA has the best product by a mile. The NFL is the joke. 90 guys change rosters per team each year. Thats whats lame.
MMA has the best product. See how easy it is to jsut type an opinion ande pretend its fact. And unlike inthe the NBA when your past your prime you cant ask another fighter to join you or fight your fight so you win a hollow championship.
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Yes, it probably will never surpass the NFL, but no one can predict the future. What I'm trying to say is that the NBA is a lot more popular than the 'NBA still exists?' crowd.
Oh, it never will. And it's ratings now are much lower than they used to be and don't even come close to the NFL's.
because ratings are an outdated metric, and everyone under 39 - literally everyone - does not subscribe to cable and streams everything, which isn't counted in nielsen ratings
Well under 39 here...subscribes to cable and doesn't stream everything. Might want to rethink *literally*
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that has totally lost interest in the NBA? I used to love it up until about 2010 or 2011 and then it just seemed to go off the rails for me anyway. It’s all these super teams and guys asking for buyouts so they can go join another super team late in their career.
Nope, the league is an abortion. My team can go 82-0 and I wouldn’t give a shit. Worst professional sport by a mile.
I haven't watched a full game in years. I'll follow through the news online but watch an NBA game? Why. 3-4 teams have a chance. Its the Globetrotters vs the Generals in 90% of the games. Regular season is meaningless. As are moist of the playoffs. For any sport to thrive you need some fans of teams to follow other games. NBA years ago people loved to see Magic and Bird play anyone. Now?
How many regular people know who the Greek Freak is outside ofthe Bucks area? and es one ofmthe best 2-3 guys in the League.
There are more NBA-watching fans in China than there are in the United States. That's something the NFL cannot come close to claiming.
It just shows the disconnect between individual opinion and fact. It kind of renders statements like "who actually knows who Giannis is" as inaccurate. When a sport crosses into global fame and cuts across wildly different demographics, it's a lot more popular than just outdated US tv ratings or the opinions of people who last cared about the NBA in 94 believe it to be.
I think it was Lebron first, followed by Luka, AD and Tatum, then Giannis 5th
No egos, no superstar ref treatment, real team ball, great coaching. If you don't need above the rim, its all there!
That said, the Knicks are king and will always be king of NBA basketball in the NYC. Just like the Giants will be over the Jets. Yankees over the Mets. Rangers over the Devils and Islanders, etc.