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bluesince56 : 3/28/2021 12:06 pm
Early game.
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RE: Two deflected shots past Kinkaid  
bluesince56 : 3/28/2021 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15200719 NYerInMA said:
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This is unraveling quickly.


Smith did not take his man who was trailing on the play
Power play straight trash  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/28/2021 1:49 pm : link
Ends with turnover by the kids and another Caps goal.
Great power play!  
Bricktop : 3/28/2021 1:49 pm : link
Aaaaaaand it's 3-0.
Two goals by Tom Wilson  
NYerInMA : 3/28/2021 1:50 pm : link
Who shouldn't even be allowed in the league. Brutal.
Letting that scumbag score twice?????  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/28/2021 1:50 pm : link
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Notice the difference  
bluesince56 : 3/28/2021 1:51 pm : link
when Quinn coaches. I don’t like him at all. Rangers one shot on net with four minutes to go in period
Now Samsanov is fucking Dominik Hasek?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/28/2021 1:53 pm : link
Come on guys.
Laffy  
bluesince56 : 3/28/2021 1:54 pm : link
Four minutes in two periods. Number one overall player.
Welcome back, Quinn!  
Anakim : 3/28/2021 1:55 pm : link
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RE: Notice the difference  
Stufftherun : 3/28/2021 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15200728 bluesince56 said:
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when Quinn coaches. I don’t like him at all. Rangers one shot on net with four minutes to go in period


Yeah, Quinn’s game plan yesterday was seriously flawed too. Oh wait, he wasn’t behind the bench yesterday.
Don't worry everybody  
Bricktop : 3/28/2021 1:59 pm : link
Quinn will make the proper adjustments and have these guys rolling in the 3rd. Thank God he's back!
RE: RE: Notice the difference  
bluesince56 : 3/28/2021 2:00 pm : link
In comment 15200735 Stufftherun said:
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when Quinn coaches. I don’t like him at all. Rangers one shot on net with four minutes to go in period



Yeah, Quinn’s game plan yesterday was seriously flawed too. Oh wait, he wasn’t behind the bench yesterday.


But they lost 2-1 to a team they embarrassed the last two games. Sloppy play today. Wild passes all over the ice. Disorganized play.
RE: RE: RE: Notice the difference  
Stufftherun : 3/28/2021 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15200738 bluesince56 said:
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when Quinn coaches. I don’t like him at all. Rangers one shot on net with four minutes to go in period



Yeah, Quinn’s game plan yesterday was seriously flawed too. Oh wait, he wasn’t behind the bench yesterday.



But they lost 2-1 to a team they embarrassed the last two games. Sloppy play today. Wild passes all over the ice. Disorganized play.


That was my point ...Quinn was not behind the bench yesterday but someone less than 24 hours later he’s back, they’re playing a rested Caps team and you expected what exactly? Check out the previous Caps - Rangers games. We’ve matched up very well against them but facing them after playing less than 24 hours ago when they had a day off, well, that’s a big ask. But hey, why not go w the lazy assessment that this is Quinn’s doing?
Didn't Mika  
Bricktop : 3/28/2021 2:15 pm : link
make a comment intimating that when Quinn was out they played a bit more loose and free? Or am I not remembering that correctly?
RE: That was an incredibly dirty play.  
pjcas18 : 3/28/2021 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15200670 BrettNYG10 said:
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What a joke.


I thought so real time, after seeing the replay I'm not so sure, looked like Rooney was losing his balance and I hate making a defensive player who has started his check responsible for that.
RE: Didn't Mika  
Stufftherun : 3/28/2021 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15200750 Bricktop said:
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make a comment intimating that when Quinn was out they played a bit more loose and free? Or am I not remembering that correctly?


All we heard from Sam, Joe Micheletti, Gianone, Vally and anyone doing the Rangers games was, the systems are the same whether it’s w the big club or Hartford. If you don’t like Quinn you’ll turn a blind eye the various factors and realties but then again that’s your prerogative.

Quinn  
Devour the Day : 3/28/2021 2:26 pm : link
Great to see the boys are excited and inspired to have the mighty Quinn back behind the bench.
Quinn doesn't seem to get the most  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/28/2021 2:31 pm : link
out of his team's talent... they certainly don't seem to overachieve.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Notice the difference  
bluesince56 : 3/28/2021 2:32 pm : link
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when Quinn coaches. I don’t like him at all. Rangers one shot on net with four minutes to go in period



Yeah, Quinn’s game plan yesterday was seriously flawed too. Oh wait, he wasn’t behind the bench yesterday.



But they lost 2-1 to a team they embarrassed the last two games. Sloppy play today. Wild passes all over the ice. Disorganized play.



That was my point ...Quinn was not behind the bench yesterday but someone less than 24 hours later he’s back, they’re playing a rested Caps team and you expected what exactly? Check out the previous Caps - Rangers games. We’ve matched up very well against them but facing them after playing less than 24 hours ago when they had a day off, well, that’s a big ask. But hey, why not go w the lazy assessment that this is Quinn’s doing?


Quinn was hired to develop the young players. Has the team really made progress? First year no playoffs. Last year phony playoff positioning. This year, they will not make playoffs again. They have second round overall pick last year, first overall pick this year. Kakko, Chytil, Laffy, were all suppose to be making the team better. Do you really think Quinn will be coaching next year? They are a 50 hundred team.


Nice to see some  
Bricktop : 3/28/2021 2:33 pm : link
fight from these guys.
Whelp  
Bricktop : 3/28/2021 2:34 pm : link
So much for that.
RE: RE: Didn't Mika  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15200759 Stufftherun said:
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make a comment intimating that when Quinn was out they played a bit more loose and free? Or am I not remembering that correctly?



All we heard from Sam, Joe Micheletti, Gianone, Vally and anyone doing the Rangers games was, the systems are the same whether it’s w the big club or Hartford. If you don’t like Quinn you’ll turn a blind eye the various factors and realties but then again that’s your prerogative.


I get protecting the coach in the media but I think we are or very close to breaking point here.
Let’s be honest ...  
Stufftherun : 3/28/2021 2:52 pm : link
they’re 2.5 years into what is essentially a complete rebuild.
Who in their right mind thought they had all of the pieces in place last year or even this year? They’re the youngest team in the league. How about having some degree of objectivity?

RE: Let’s be honest ...  
bluesince56 : 3/28/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15200788 Stufftherun said:
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they’re 2.5 years into what is essentially a complete rebuild.
Who in their right mind thought they had all of the pieces in place last year or even this year? They’re the youngest team in the league. How about having some degree of objectivity?


One Stanley cup in 81 years. I’m tried of waiting. Look what Barry Trots is doing with the Islanders, Quinville with the Panthers, How Mike Sullivan turned the Pens around when he took over the coaching in the middle of the season. Just won two cups in a row. The Lightning have won more Cups than the Rangers in the last 20 years. How can teams be in contention ever year and we Rangers fans HOPE we make the playoffs. Sorry, I’ve run out of patience. I want a playoff team now.
RE: RE: Let’s be honest ...  
chopperhatch : 3/28/2021 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15200794 bluesince56 said:
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they’re 2.5 years into what is essentially a complete rebuild.
Who in their right mind thought they had all of the pieces in place last year or even this year? They’re the youngest team in the league. How about having some degree of objectivity?




One Stanley cup in 81 years. I’m tried of waiting. Look what Barry Trots is doing with the Islanders, Quinville with the Panthers, How Mike Sullivan turned the Pens around when he took over the coaching in the middle of the season. Just won two cups in a row. The Lightning have won more Cups than the Rangers in the last 20 years. How can teams be in contention ever year and we Rangers fans HOPE we make the playoffs. Sorry, I’ve run out of patience. I want a playoff team now.


A fucking men! We had a nice run in the late 00s thru the Finals appearance, but we sold out and have no Cup. This time last year, we were the team nobody wanted to play. Then COVID, then we get our shit pushed in in the bubble games. Now this year and we are likely on the outside looking in. Honestly, what the fuck?! Quinn has done a TERRIBLE joob since jump off, he gets sick and suddenly we "stot" winning. Then he comes back, 1st game we get our doors blown off?

Im sick of it too.
I think the Rangers  
pjcas18 : 3/28/2021 3:16 pm : link
will make the playoffs.

They are not an easy out against anyone and the way their top line is playing they're as good as anyone.

Mika is back, Shesterkin is back, Panarin is lethal as always, Fox has put himself in the Norris discussion

Just need a little from the rest, and I mean a little and this team is a playoff team. I think they'll get there. This year.

And that first goal was technically on Lindgren, you get your shot blocked it's on you, but no idea why Smith was playing so far to the right. He should have been more in the middle and then Vrana isn't off to the races.
think roster construction remains a major issue  
ColHowPepper : 3/28/2021 3:20 pm : link
we think there is talent for sure, but it doesn't seem to be meshing. Whether that is due to coaching deficiencies and not seeing what will work better than what we have, I'm not qualified to judge. We've seen the offense from the two top lines explode and then revert.

As to Quinn vs Knoblauch--and repeating myself--last 27 minutes of the 8-3 win the defending looked disorganized, in disarray. But for Igor yesterday, it would have been much worse than 2-1. Caps have been hot and as noted above, they had a day's rest. Rangers are young: didn't they struggle mightily in the second game of the last back-to-back they had, Boston, was it? Maybe the Lemieux trade out of the blue (?) unsettled them.

K'Andre's recent play has been inconsistent. We'd like to see more stats from KK and Laf, but I'm not certain that is equivalent to poor play, but again as noted, you need to see more balanced scoring production. Lots of questions, lots of impatient fans, what is JD seeing? I think blowing things up in an Eichel trade would be a panic move.
RE: RE: That was an incredibly dirty play.  
BrettNYG10 : 3/28/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15200758 pjcas18 said:
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What a joke.



I thought so real time, after seeing the replay I'm not so sure, looked like Rooney was losing his balance and I hate making a defensive player who has started his check responsible for that.


I watched again and while I don't think it was as bad as I initially thought, it absolutely should have been a penalty.

Looked to me like he left his feet and it was late.
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BrettNYG10 : 3/28/2021 3:24 pm : link
Rangers aren't getting enough from Kakko, Lafreniere, and Chytil. Six points in 26 games is atrocious for Kakko. He looks better but needs to start producing.
RE: Let’s be honest ...  
PwndPapi : 3/28/2021 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15200788 Stufftherun said:
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they’re 2.5 years into what is essentially a complete rebuild.
Who in their right mind thought they had all of the pieces in place last year or even this year? They’re the youngest team in the league. How about having some degree of objectivity?

+1
RE: ....  
chopperhatch : 3/28/2021 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15200820 BrettNYG10 said:
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Rangers aren't getting enough from Kakko, Lafreniere, and Chytil. Six points in 26 games is atrocious for Kakko. He looks better but needs to start producing.


You can make the argument that Laf is stuck on that Chytil line. Chytil flashes incredible skating and Kovalevesque stick handling....once in a while. Then he goea back to being invisible and awful at finishing the puck. Im losing hope on him. He just doesnt have any teeth to his offensive game.

I think Lafreniere is languishing playing with Chytil and Gauthier....another 1st round pick that has no teeth.
Giants & Rangers...same Shit every year...  
mvftw : 3/28/2021 3:35 pm : link
Good Teams Find a Way to Win - Bad Teams Find a Way to Lose...
Since you guys follow the NHL and hockey much more than  
arniefez : 3/28/2021 4:57 pm : link
I do who do you think will be the coach next year? You can talk about roster construction and not getting enough from the bottom 6 but the quarantine made Quinn look like he's much more of a problem than a solution. There was no way anyone could miss that.
RE: Since you guys follow the NHL and hockey much more than  
chopperhatch : 3/28/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15200917 arniefez said:
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I do who do you think will be the coach next year? You can talk about roster construction and not getting enough from the bottom 6 but the quarantine made Quinn look like he's much more of a problem than a solution. There was no way anyone could miss that.


I have no idea. I am not clued into the coaching wire. I also dont have any idea of the type of coach Id want. Literally the only part of the game I know NOTHING about. Gallant seems like hed be a great fit, but he is apparently the HC in waiting for the Kraken. Anak is pissed.
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BrettNYG10 : 3/28/2021 5:10 pm : link
I'm not sure what the issue is with Laf. He is completely invisible most days.

Somebody ran the stats on Twitter: In the 38 NHL seasons for a 2nd overall in his 2nd season, Kakko is 37th. Lafreniere is 26/31 for #1's in their rookie year.

It's really frustrating.
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pjcas18 : 3/28/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15200931 BrettNYG10 said:
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I'm not sure what the issue is with Laf. He is completely invisible most days.

Somebody ran the stats on Twitter: In the 38 NHL seasons for a 2nd overall in his 2nd season, Kakko is 37th. Lafreniere is 26/31 for #1's in their rookie year.

It's really frustrating.


I wouldn't worry about Kakko or Lafreniere.

they'd be a freshman and sophomore in college if they went to NCAA instead of the NHL.

Cole Caufield is probably going go win Hobey Baker (or he should win it) and just signed his ELC and he is nowhere near as talented as either Kakko or Lafreniere, but if they both went to NCAA they'd be skating circles around the competition.

If they'd spent the past two years in the NCAA (Kakko) or at least this year (Lafreniere) instead of the NHL would you feel differently about them?
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BrettNYG10 : 3/28/2021 5:32 pm : link
Probably not. I'm still very high on them, the list of elite players still in juniors is quite long. Malkin was still in the KHL at their ages, IIRC.

I have some concern about the Rangers ability to develop elite talent at an appropriate pace. Laf was a very highly touted #1 overall, it's disappointing he didn't come out firing. MacKinnon was less touted and put up 60 points his rookie year.

Kakko looked dominant in the World Championship preceding the draft. I don't see a lot of flashes from either of them.

It's less about them and their potential, and more about my concern about the Rangers forward development and general frustration we never have a guy coming out hot immediately up-front, lol.
I think Kaako  
chopperhatch : 3/28/2021 5:35 pm : link
Has played quite well. Sure his offensive game isnt where we wanted it to be, but his defensive game is certainly a revelation! His main problem is similar to what I have said was RJ Barrett's at the beginning of the season (sorry for the basketball injection) and that is being too timid to become a part of the offense. Hegets the puck in certain instances where I start saying, "oh yea....here we go" where he could make one move and be on goal. But then he'll either pass it or pull the puck out. Its very annoying too because not only does he pass up the opportunity to score, but many times it fucks up the flow for the rest of the shift. Kakko still looks fine.

Laf is as Brett said, invisible except for digging the puck out of corners, lol, he does that well!
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chopperhatch : 3/28/2021 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15200961 BrettNYG10 said:
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Probably not. I'm still very high on them, the list of elite players still in juniors is quite long. Malkin was still in the KHL at their ages, IIRC.

I have some concern about the Rangers ability to develop elite talent at an appropriate pace. Laf was a very highly touted #1 overall, it's disappointing he didn't come out firing. MacKinnon was less touted and put up 60 points his rookie year.

Kakko looked dominant in the World Championship preceding the draft. I don't see a lot of flashes from either of them.

It's less about them and their potential, and more about my concern about the Rangers forward development and general frustration we never have a guy coming out hot immediately up-front, lol.


I think those preconceptions are a killer. Playing against boys vs playing against men who are pissed off every day sends out different energies. Its like you said, how many players who werent very talented but successful pros and vice versa? There is a huge difference between playing guys who you are better than but still are boys and playing against men that you are more talented than but are nasty bastards who dont have your future.
Laf and Kakko were consensus picks  
Vanzetti : 3/28/2021 8:52 pm : link
Close to every NHL team would have taken them. If a consensus pick goes bad, you can’t really fault the team. It’s just the guy didn’t develop

I’m more concerned about Gorton’s whiffs on Lias and possibly Kratsov. Also about some of the contracts he dished out and his buyout decisions

And hiring Quinn. Guy is not an NHL Caliber coach
Quinn is David Fizdale  
Judge_and_Jury : 3/28/2021 11:16 pm : link
We need our Thibodeau to right the ship.
Main fear is that JD  
Bricktop : 3/28/2021 11:27 pm : link
is woefully out of his depth. Love the guy, but let's get real here. The fish stinks from the head down.
RE: Main fear is that JD  
chopperhatch : 3/29/2021 2:02 am : link
In comment 15201182 Bricktop said:
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is woefully out of his depth. Love the guy, but let's get real here. The fish stinks from the head down.


Considering what he did in StL and Col, Id say he has done pretty alright
C'mon guys or shall I say guy ...  
Stufftherun : 3/29/2021 10:06 am : link
You referenced Trots aka Trotz and the Islanders. Poor comparison as the Islanders were a veteran team ready to win. Quinville aka Quenneville, who inherited a largely veteran team that was rudderless. Mike Sullivan took over a veteran team with Crosby and Malkin who have been through the rigors of quite a few Cup runs. These are poor comparisons on so many levels. Again, the Rangers are the youngest team in the league in fact they have teenagers on their roster for the love of God. Who in the hell realistically thinks a teenager is going to walk onto NHL ice and light it up from the first shift? It doesn't just automatically happen because your name is called early in the draft. And discount that fact that European players have an adjustment period when it comes to skating on North American rinks and playing against grown men.

The coach has to balance running veterans out there so as to give the team the best chance to win all the while trying to balance that with providing the kids with some valuable ice time. He is also responsible for protecting the kids which is a near impossible juggling act.

Brett pointing to Nathan McKinnon as an example of a draft pick that excelled. Sure, you can cherry pick all you want but if you're going to do that why don't you tell us how many NHL players can skate like McKinnon? There aren't many, I'll tell you that. And if you can skate like the wind it'll certainly go a long way in putting you in quite a few advantageous positions on the ice.

Just look at the last D pairing and the bottom 2 lines and tell me the Rangers have the kind of depth that can put a team over the top or compete in a 7 game series with the likes of the Caps, Islanders, Bruins and Pens? Let's be serious here. This cake is a little more than half baked.

I think  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2021 5:39 pm : link
the focus is too much on points by the fans for the young players.

Look at Laine, for example.

As an 18-year old rookie Laine put up 36 G, 28 A, 64 points.

In WIN that season was admired, in NY, MTL, or BOS he'd be on his way to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

However the stats are sort of hollow. He plays a 125 foot game (at best) and now at 22 with a coach who holds him defensively responsible he can't get on the ice, has been a healthy scratch, and is rumored to be on the trading block again.

Need to find a balance. Players need to understand the game, the defensive responsibilities and be enabled to develop creatively on the offensive side.

I'd look more for Kakko and Lafreniere to be fundamentally sound in their teens, more offense would be great, but to me it will come and in a more open system they'd probably score more, but these years are helping them more for the long run.

Not saying don't be a little disappointed, a player like Tkachuk (either one of them, but use Brady for now but it fits Matthew too) comes in and puts up back to back 45 point seasons rookie and 2nd year (though both played 1 year in the NCAA/juniors) with a gritty and defensively sound game, but that is the exception IMO.
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BrettNYG10 : 3/30/2021 8:31 pm : link
I point to MacKinnon because he was less hyped than Lafraniere and had a fantastic rookie year. I'm not expecting that level of production, but I'm also not expecting this low level of production. My more specific point is that the Rangers have two highly touted picks that they lucked into that are performing among the worst relative to the guys picked at their draft slots at the same point in their careers. It's dismal production relative to those guys. I expected more.

RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15203450 BrettNYG10 said:
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I point to MacKinnon because he was less hyped than Lafraniere and had a fantastic rookie year. I'm not expecting that level of production, but I'm also not expecting this low level of production. My more specific point is that the Rangers have two highly touted picks that they lucked into that are performing among the worst relative to the guys picked at their draft slots at the same point in their careers. It's dismal production relative to those guys. I expected more.


but there's a lot of variables that go into it - linemates is a huge one, are they the person driving play or the benefeciary of it - I know you know what i mean, system, their skill that made them a highly regarded prospect - like for Hughes you knew the transition would take a little - he's 5' 9" (generously) and 150 pounds - that's not an NHL body but he skates like the wind - but there would be an adjustment as he learns to skate like the wind against men who are all good skaters too - for example - I think both Kakko (who looks great to me) and Lafreniere (and most everyone not named McDavid or Matthews) will have an adjustment period.

For me if they score or not while they adjust is not a huge deal. Of course you'd like to see it - especially for their confidence but I only need to watch the Canadiens to see how Kakko and Lafreniere will look in a year or two because i see it with Suzuki and Kotkaniemi. Kotkaniemi was sent to the AHL in his second year. after playing in the NHL his entire rookie year - he came back to the habs for the bubble and looked like a different player. I don't think it was anything the AHL did other than give him some confidence.

I don't think it was necessarily necessary, but hard to argue with the results. He's not lighting up the score sheet (.5 ppg), but he looks like a legit 1C or 2C and he's 20 years old all season.

Many people would have told you this outcome was unlikely a year ago.

Anyway, I know fans want immediate results or at least flashy play, but patience is probably best.

I seriously doubt either of these guys will be busts or even disappoint.
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BrettNYG10 : 3/30/2021 9:09 pm : link
Yeah, a lot definitely goes into it.

Kakko looked gassed and slow to me a lot last year. It made sense after playing so much hockey. Kakko looks good to me now, I'm frustrated he isn't scoring more with Panarin (I know he just scored, lol).

And this is a weird year, Lafreniere went nine months or so without playing competitive hockey.

I'm frustrated I don't see more bursts of elite skill as well. I see it from Chytil a lot. I don't see that from Lafreniere. I think coaching is probably a bit to blame. Lafreniere looks to be held back quite a bit. He's playing a really conservative game.

Barkov took 3-4 years to get going. I'm not concerned, just annoyed. I feel like our window is probably a year further away than hoped.
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pjcas18 : 3/30/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15203476 BrettNYG10 said:
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Yeah, a lot definitely goes into it.

Kakko looked gassed and slow to me a lot last year. It made sense after playing so much hockey. Kakko looks good to me now, I'm frustrated he isn't scoring more with Panarin (I know he just scored, lol).

And this is a weird year, Lafreniere went nine months or so without playing competitive hockey.

I'm frustrated I don't see more bursts of elite skill as well. I see it from Chytil a lot. I don't see that from Lafreniere. I think coaching is probably a bit to blame. Lafreniere looks to be held back quite a bit. He's playing a really conservative game.

Barkov took 3-4 years to get going. I'm not concerned, just annoyed. I feel like our window is probably a year further away than hoped.


the last game i looked at the box score Lafreniere played 4th line minutes.

You know at #1 overall it wouldn't happen, but he's probably better off in the juniors or NCAA.
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BrettNYG10 : 3/30/2021 9:36 pm : link
That's why I blame quite a bit of this on coaching. The Rangers home-grown forwards always take a bit to get going. A game like the other day in WAS should have resulted in Laf being set lose with extra minutes.

He's a much better skater than he has shown thus far in the NHL. He's not the relentless forechecker I saw in the WJC's, for example.
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