BBI Mock Draft – DISCUSSION Thread

As Bears GM, it's only right for me to completely ignore the QB position and throw my entire support behind Andy Dalton.

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In comment 15201064 Matt G said:

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Is that the one ESPN floated as a hypothetical? I didn't think it came from inside the league but I could be mistaken.

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So happy we have started the fun a little early. I have a few guys on my wish list. I have no idea who are going to be my options for the Giants. All the trades and free agent signings have thrown my expectations for a loop. It is going to be fun regardless.

... so we can take them into account. I hope there won’t be more blockbusters.

I haven’t GM’d in many years, so I need a refresher on this topic. Is the rule on IRL trades that we incorporate them into our draft order as long as none of the affected picks has been made yet in the mock? Or is the whole order frozen once we start?

Making it a three-way deal, with the Jets sending Darnold to Seattle for Chicago’s second-round pick, seems to have been Greenberg and Tannenbaum spitballing on ESPN.

It’s a reasonable solution to Seattle’s lack of a successor to Wilson, but assumes Darnold would placate them, and that the Jets are ready to dump him and hand the reins to a rookie.

sticky!

very helpful

Happy to be a part of this for the first time. Easing in with what feels like only 2 picks for the Rams!

But I'll do what I do for the Fish. I've got the 6th and 28th picks for them in the first round.

Might take a bit to get this going

They have a really hard decision here. 🙄

In comment 15201254 Big Blue Blogger said:

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They have a really hard decision here. 🙄

Quite. LOL

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Might take a bit to get this going

Plenty of time for Home Alone .gif

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No explanation really needed.

Best quarterback in the draft for a team who desperately needs a franchise QB. Trevor Lawrence is a generational talent and Urban and company will be happy have to him start on day 1

Zach Wilson, but he's definitely high ceiling but very low floor. He's either college Johnny Manziel or CFL Johnny Manziel, but don't see any way he's just perfectly average.

on the official thread and no pics yet!!

Disappointing start.

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Heck, no GIFS either. Travesty

trying to find the pro day gif that made the rounds but couldn't.

Curious

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So Jon can’t shop Darnold for more picks unless the IRL Jets make a deal. It’s possible, though, that they could draft Wilson and keep Darnold, at least for a while.

Meanwhile in Costa Mesa, the Chargers have assembled gifs of all the blue-chip non-QBs who are unlikely to make it to #13. 😢

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on the official thread and no pics yet!! Disappointing start.

I always try to find good pics. Like this one of Kyle Long:

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trying to find the pro day gif that made the rounds but couldn't.

53-yard dime, moving left without setting his feet. Impressive, though the Jets might not want him to try this against NFL safeties.

with Trey Lance going 3...i just don't see 49ers taking him. That's a fairly large gamble on an overall team that looks ready to win now if they have a QB. I'd wager Jones or Fields there and not Lance

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with Trey Lance going 3...i just don't see 49ers taking him. That's a fairly large gamble on an overall team that looks ready to win now if they have a QB. I'd wager Jones or Fields there and not Lance

This would be a big surprise. Lots of unknowns with him, and for him to go before Fields and even maybe Jones, is surprising.

So the mock is basically chalk so far. In any case, the pick will be a quarterback, whether it’s Lance, Fields or Jones. Now it gets interesting with the Falcons.

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A team with one of the remaining QBs at the top of their board will try to tempt the Falcons or Bengals. Atlanta might bite, or they could use the pick on Ryan’s successor or to give him more weapons.

The funniest outcome would be if the Dolphins wind up trading again. And it could very well happen, depending on the first five picks and who wants whom. We could ultimately look back on the Laremy Tunsil trade as the 21st century Herschel Walker deal (and O’Brien as his generation’s Mike Lynn). At least Tunsil is good, but the Texans are a mess.

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Would love it, because he seems to be the 5th QB. This would give a real good chance of 5 QBs in top 10

Do they take a QB or WR or Pitts.

has had some of the worst defenses in football for the past decade. Not saying they need to draft defense, but why would they take another offensive weapon? That seems to be their strength.

In comment 15201373 ryanmkeane said:

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has had some of the worst defenses in football for the past decade. Not saying they need to draft defense, but why would they take another offensive weapon? That seems to be their strength.

Looking down the road. Matt Ryan, for example, isn't getting any younger and neither is Julio Jones.

it was a very tough call between Fields and Pitts but in the end I felt safer about Pitts being a difference maker in the NFL

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That's the likely dilemma for the Falcons. Parsons seems to be the standout talent, and he's a gamble. Pitts is a very logical pick for Atlanta, bad defense and all.

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Wilson probably doesn't need to get carded. He's from BYU, a Utah kid, and not named McMahon, lol

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In a lot of ways this reminds me of 1983 Draft but with extra QB's at the top instead of the RB's. Only 3 defensive players went in Top 15 in 1983 (Giants had the only Pro Bowler of the 3 in Terry Kinard. others were Billy Ray Smith to San Diego at 5 and Tim Lewis to Packers at 11). Ultimately Tim Lewis did get into coaching and I think he could have been a great player if he didn't get hurt.

don't underestimate Mac Jones ability to fit in an NFL offense. He is a grinder and a very capable athlete. The only knock on him is that he can't resist improvising when plays break down (he's a gunslinger).

Easy selection of Ja'Marr Chase. They needed a WR and he was the best player on the board. Bingo. Gonna pick 28th for the Fish, so gotta prepare for that selection too.

In comment 15201460 Optimus-NY said:

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Easy selection of Ja'Marr Chase. They needed a WR and he was the best player on the board. Bingo. Gonna pick 28th for the Fish, so gotta prepare for that selection too.

Dolphins pick 18th. Agreed a WR/Pitts is the easy selection here.

At #6, it wouldn't necessitate moving on from Tua. Miami could afford to let the best man win over a year or two, with Brissett on hand as insurance. That would have been more difficult if they had made the pick at #3.

FWIW, I would have taken Chase too.

He will be a monster inside for us. We believe Okudah will take a huge step this year and Parsons will lead this defense!!

Plenty of wrs in this draft in rd2 and 3

Atlanta is taking a QB, not a TE

That being said, Detroit needs help everywhere. I am not even convinced that they won't take a QB if they do not get a trade offer they like for 7 and they see someone that can be their future and sit behind Goff while he learns NFL game.

Panthers are supposedly not that high on Fields, but without trades in this draft, they have to take him there. Draft unfolded about the worst way possible for them here.

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Atlanta is taking a QB, not a TE

Arthur?

Some draft curveballs haven’t made this decision as easy as I thought it’d be

No way Atlanta takes Pitts over Sewell and odds are they go QB anyway. I could see them going Edge/DE before Pitts too

Don’t like how Surtain matches up with smaller quick receivers like those in KC and OAK

made comment in selection thread. Sorry thought I was here. I can't see Dallas doing anything but Surtain after the 4.42

I know the Giants signed Golloday and Ross, but Smith, imho, is a certifiable game changer. You got to take those guys when they come along. The thought of Smith in the Giants O makes me moist.

Did I over share?

However don't be surprised if Dallas takes him at 10 in front of us. BBI loses their minds, but he is very much a Jerry pick.

In comment 15201607 Thegratefulhead said:

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made comment in selection thread. Sorry thought I was here. I can't see Dallas doing anything but Surtain after the 4.42

Don't worry, it happens every year. I could also see Rick looking at Slater or Jaycee Horn. Personally I have Surtain higher, but I can see how a team would prefer Horn.

Smith Slater Biadasz Martin Collins



But boy that defense is an injury away, from 2 injruy prone guys (Jaylon Smith and LVE) to having absolutely no one except for Demarcus Lawrence...

You think Denver dips back into the WR with the resources already spent on pass catcher and current depth?

Jeudy (1.15 - 2020 draft)
Hamler (2.46 - 2020 draft)
Courtland Sutton (2018 2nd rounder)
Tim Patrick (who is a nice player)
Daesean Hamilton (2018 4th rounder)
As well as 2019 1st rounder Noah Fant at TE?

Seems like a lot of resources on pass catchers.

Jerry gets the CB the Cowboys covet in Surtain. He will team up with Diggs to give the Cowboys a young and talented CB pair. Also in FA the Cowboys have signed Damontae Kazee and Keanu Neal to bolster their weak safety position and reunite with their old coach DC Quinn.

This will be a defensive draft for the Cowboys sprinkled in with OL needs with 9 picks to go and 5 more in the first 4 rounds.

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You think Denver dips back into the WR with the resources already spent on pass catcher and current depth? Jeudy (1.15 - 2020 draft) Hamler (2.46 - 2020 draft) Courtland Sutton (2018 2nd rounder) Tim Patrick (who is a nice player) Daesean Hamilton (2018 4th rounder) As well as 2019 1st rounder Noah Fant at TE? Seems like a lot of resources on pass catchers.

Agree with this... can't see this happening, but stranger things have happened.

In comment 15201679 Rick in Dallas said:

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Jerry gets the CB the Cowboys covet in Surtain. He will team up with Diggs to give the Cowboys a young and talented CB pair. Also in FA the Cowboys have signed Damontae Kazee and Keanu Neal to bolster their weak safety position and reunite with their old coach DC Quinn. This will be a defensive draft for the Cowboys sprinkled in with OL needs with 9 picks to go and 5 more in the first 4 rounds.

Best CB in the draft... can't go wrong here.

Take Slater in this spot but I think the Giants run to the podium for Waddle. Fastest GPS of any receiver in college football. Had he not been injured Smith's production would likely be Waddle's. He is a more polished Tyreek Hill. I would not be upset with that pick.

more explosive than OBJ and he would not be running to the locker room for IV's before the half ends. You will actually have to force him to the sidelines if injured.

Stark difference.

In comment 15201684 Thegratefulhead said:

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Take Slater in this spot but I think the Giants run to the podium for Waddle. Fastest GPS of any receiver in college football. Had he not been injured Smith's production would likely be Waddle's. He is a more polished Tyreek Hill. I would not be upset with that pick.

Waddle... Slater... MadPlaid gets off easy with this one, but the pressure will be on next pick.

To Andy in Halifax?

In comment 15201670 Lionhart28 said:

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You think Denver dips back into the WR with the resources already spent on pass catcher and current depth? Jeudy (1.15 - 2020 draft) Hamler (2.46 - 2020 draft) Courtland Sutton (2018 2nd rounder) Tim Patrick (who is a nice player) Daesean Hamilton (2018 4th rounder) As well as 2019 1st rounder Noah Fant at TE? Seems like a lot of resources on pass catchers.

Came down to Smith being the player in this draft. He’s better than everyone on that list. Just like signing Golladay shouldn’t prevent the Giants from drafting Smith or Waddle. You can never have enough playmakers.

Give Drew Lock everything he needs to either succeed, or show Denver they need to move on.

during the pandemic. Hopefully he returns as Giants GM next year.

new giants gm

In comment 15201684 Thegratefulhead said:

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Take Slater in this spot but I think the Giants run to the podium for Waddle. Fastest GPS of any receiver in college football. Had he not been injured Smith's production would likely be Waddle's. He is a more polished Tyreek Hill. I would not be upset with that pick.

I would probably go Slater, but that is because of Waddle's durability concerns. If he is not durable enough to match up against physical CB's on the outside can you really spend the 11th overall pick on a slot guy? In real life if Pitts, Chase, and Smith are gone I think the Giants need to seriously consider trading down.

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In comment 15201684 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: Take Slater in this spot but I think the Giants run to the podium for Waddle. Fastest GPS of any receiver in college football. Had he not been injured Smith's production would likely be Waddle's. He is a more polished Tyreek Hill. I would not be upset with that pick. I would probably go Slater, but that is because of Waddle's durability concerns. If he is not durable enough to match up against physical CB's on the outside can you really spend the 11th overall pick on a slot guy? In real life if Pitts, Chase, and Smith are gone I think the Giants need to seriously consider trading down.

Waddle is an outside guy... He is an easy pick here, but so is Slater... Can play OG and RT... tough choice here, but can't go wrong.

plug in and play OG immediately and versatile enough to play RT.

pick is in... Honestly it would be extremely hard to pass on Waddle. Talk about fixing the WR position in one offseason, however Slater is a bigger need now IMO. There should be good WRs available at next pick also. As I said couldn't go wrong with this one.

In comment 15201695 jlukes said:

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In comment 15201670 Lionhart28 said: Quote: You think Denver dips back into the WR with the resources already spent on pass catcher and current depth? Jeudy (1.15 - 2020 draft) Hamler (2.46 - 2020 draft) Courtland Sutton (2018 2nd rounder) Tim Patrick (who is a nice player) Daesean Hamilton (2018 4th rounder) As well as 2019 1st rounder Noah Fant at TE? Seems like a lot of resources on pass catchers. Came down to Smith being the player in this draft. He’s better than everyone on that list. Just like signing Golladay shouldn’t prevent the Giants from drafting Smith or Waddle. You can never have enough playmakers. Give Drew Lock everything he needs to either succeed, or show Denver they need to move on.

Thanks, I figured that was your rationale. I don't disagree that Smith is better but I would argue if you need 3 1st round picks and 2 2nds as pass catchers to be successful, you probably have your answer as to whether Lock is your guy. I do think this highlights Denver being in sort of a weird spot in the draft. I haven't dug into their team needs too much but the value is likely to be at a position where they already have some depth. T

with what is left on the board. Is waddle going to work out and prove he is healthy? I don't get why Smith and Waddle have not worked out or are they working out tomorrow.

In comment 15201740 Lionhart28 said:

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In comment 15201695 jlukes said: Quote: In comment 15201670 Lionhart28 said: Quote: You think Denver dips back into the WR with the resources already spent on pass catcher and current depth? Jeudy (1.15 - 2020 draft) Hamler (2.46 - 2020 draft) Courtland Sutton (2018 2nd rounder) Tim Patrick (who is a nice player) Daesean Hamilton (2018 4th rounder) As well as 2019 1st rounder Noah Fant at TE? Seems like a lot of resources on pass catchers. Came down to Smith being the player in this draft. He’s better than everyone on that list. Just like signing Golladay shouldn’t prevent the Giants from drafting Smith or Waddle. You can never have enough playmakers. Give Drew Lock everything he needs to either succeed, or show Denver they need to move on. Thanks, I figured that was your rationale. I don't disagree that Smith is better but I would argue if you need 3 1st round picks and 2 2nds as pass catchers to be successful, you probably have your answer as to whether Lock is your guy. I do think this highlights Denver being in sort of a weird spot in the draft. I haven't dug into their team needs too much but the value is likely to be at a position where they already have some depth. T

If the Top 8 went how this Mock did in real life I could see Chicago, New England, and Washington trying to trade up to get Mac Jones. I could also see Denver drafing Jones and moving on from Lock. Trading back they can land an EDGE or add another CB to match up against their opponents in AFC West. Even though they signed Fuller it was a 1 year deal.

I understand the desire to improve the OL, just not a fan of drafting someone that high to play guard (with the other talent on the board).

If you're drafting him as a tackle, I think I prefer Darrisaw, but either way there looks to be some really good O-Line options in round 2.

Not angry about the pick if this happens, but not the way I would go...

go wrong with Slater or Waddle in this scenario. If you go Waddle, get an IOL in the 2nd or 3rd. If you go Slater, get a WR in the 2nd or 3rd.

My strong preference is offense, whether it be Smith, Waddle, Pitts, or Slater

If we draft this guy. He can play ANYWHERE on the line. I am not afraid of his arms in the tiniest bit.

In comment 15201689 Thegratefulhead said:

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To Andy in Halifax?

He has PSTD from all the previous draft beatings.

Waddle, but there is a lot WRs that should make round 2. It is tough to pass on him though. I will say the fact Slater can play OG and RT on a high level is kind of big. You go Waddle and you aren't getting an OG/RT nearly as good as WR... Still though pass on Waddle? That would be hard for me to do.

But I am at work (remotely from home). Job has to come first.

With that said, this is a dream come true. Every Madden playing Giants fan goal is to pretend to be in charge of BigBlue. I have been looking forward to this moment for a long time, and I hope I don't disappoint. At least most of you.

I agree with those who say you win in the trenches. When the Giants OL was good, they won. When it wasn't, you get the picture. Rashawn Slater is a great add to the Giants line. I like his athleticism and versatility. He can be added almost anywhere on the line and just make it meaner and better. I feel this would have been the pick Andy would have gone with.

I was tempted to go with a play maker here like a Parsons, Smith or Surtain, but all those guys went before I had a chance to consider them. Waddle would have been interesting, but I just thought Slater was the smarter albite less sexy pick.

Okay, let me have it.

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In comment 15201460 Optimus-NY said: Quote: Easy selection of Ja'Marr Chase. They needed a WR and he was the best player on the board. Bingo. Gonna pick 28th for the Fish, so gotta prepare for that selection too. Dolphins pick 18th. Agreed a WR/Pitts is the easy selection here.

It was a typo. I know I pick 18th mongo! lol

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But I am at work (remotely from home). Job has to come first. With that said, this is a dream come true. Every Madden playing Giants fan goal is to pretend to be in charge of BigBlue. I have been looking forward to this moment for a long time, and I hope I don't disappoint. At least most of you. I agree with those who say you win in the trenches. When the Giants OL was good, they won. When it wasn't, you get the picture. Rashawn Slater is a great add to the Giants line. I like his athleticism and versatility. He can be added almost anywhere on the line and just make it meaner and better. I feel this would have been the pick Andy would have gone with. I was tempted to go with a play maker here like a Parsons, Smith or Surtain, but all those guys went before I had a chance to consider them. Waddle would have been interesting, but I just thought Slater was the smarter albite less sexy pick. Okay, let me have it.

I mean it was a good pick... even though it says a lot about you... You aint SEXY!

That's not what you told me last night, honey

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But I am at work (remotely from home). Job has to come first. With that said, this is a dream come true. Every Madden playing Giants fan goal is to pretend to be in charge of BigBlue. I have been looking forward to this moment for a long time, and I hope I don't disappoint. At least most of you. I agree with those who say you win in the trenches. When the Giants OL was good, they won. When it wasn't, you get the picture. Rashawn Slater is a great add to the Giants line. I like his athleticism and versatility. He can be added almost anywhere on the line and just make it meaner and better. I feel this would have been the pick Andy would have gone with. I was tempted to go with a play maker here like a Parsons, Smith or Surtain, but all those guys went before I had a chance to consider them. Waddle would have been interesting, but I just thought Slater was the smarter albite less sexy pick. Okay, let me have it.

I know that with all they're doing in FA the best place to add talent right now, the most needed place, is on the OL. I just feel like they are going to pick the BPA here no matter the position and there are going to be a lot of players ranked higher than Slater at 11.

I think they can go OL in round 2 or 3 and get a nice value.

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In comment 15201793 MadPlaid said: Quote: But I am at work (remotely from home). Job has to come first. With that said, this is a dream come true. Every Madden playing Giants fan goal is to pretend to be in charge of BigBlue. I have been looking forward to this moment for a long time, and I hope I don't disappoint. At least most of you. I agree with those who say you win in the trenches. When the Giants OL was good, they won. When it wasn't, you get the picture. Rashawn Slater is a great add to the Giants line. I like his athleticism and versatility. He can be added almost anywhere on the line and just make it meaner and better. I feel this would have been the pick Andy would have gone with. I was tempted to go with a play maker here like a Parsons, Smith or Surtain, but all those guys went before I had a chance to consider them. Waddle would have been interesting, but I just thought Slater was the smarter albite less sexy pick. Okay, let me have it. I know that with all they're doing in FA the best place to add talent right now, the most needed place, is on the OL. I just feel like they are going to pick the BPA here no matter the position and there are going to be a lot of players ranked higher than Slater at 11. I think they can go OL in round 2 or 3 and get a nice value.

Who is ranked higher? Waddle probably, but who else?

Nick Saban's opinion means everything. In other words I think it would be Waddle.

Anyone seen the man? Chargers are ready to follow him.

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Anyone seen the man? Chargers are ready to follow him.

His last activity was at 2:23 PM today

I agree if a play maker is higher ranked than Slater, that's where they should go. I just didn't see anyone who I rated higher being there. Waddle was to me rated on the same plain as Slater, so I went with the one who was a higher need.

I did start reading good things about an edge rusher from Georgia, but he seemed the kind of pick you target with a trade down. Unfortunately, if the Giants are going to trade down, it isn't happening until draft day, if at all.

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Anyone seen the man? Chargers are ready to follow him.

Let's see if the Chargers blow this pick like they did last year in the BBI mock draft!

If it comes down to reaching for an offensive lineman or drafting a CB based on traits, there will be something to hate about the pick no matter what we do.

In comment 15201840 Big Blue Blogger said:

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If it comes down to reaching for an offensive lineman or drafting a CB based on traits, there will be something to hate about the pick no matter what we do.

Just teasing as you should have to take a QB here. Just giving you a bad time about Justin Herbert.

and vomit on the living room floor

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and vomit on the living room floor

taking the second best OL in the draft? Come on bro.

and I believe the need is overplayed. And, if it's a need pick, then WR is a bigger need. If you don't like Waddle (which I disagree with) then I realize that you're constrained by not be able to move down so what can you do.

There a lot of good Jaylen Waddle GIFs to choose from. 🙄

this mock draft is very realistic. I'm disgusted with the Giants #1 pick, just like every time the past 7 years!

But he’s probably catching up on his sleep after a 2am feeding and a 5am diaper change.

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At #6, it wouldn't necessitate moving on from Tua. Miami could afford to let the best man win over a year or two, with Brissett on hand as insurance. That would have been more difficult if they had made the pick at #3. FWIW, I would have taken Chase too.

"Youz mongoes wanna move on from Tuerrr arrready!!!"

to accumulate more draft capital (including the potential for 3 first rounders next year), we are still able to nab the most exciting skill player in the draft. We are showing confidence in our anointed starting QB and providing him with a player that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball (and opens up the defense even when he doesn't). As an organization we are thrilled to be able to trade down and still come away with a week 1 difference maker.

based on everything we have in terms of draft info and asshats, I would find it incredibly shocking for NYG to take Slater over Waddle

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to accumulate more draft capital (including the potential for 3 first rounders next year), we are still able to nab the most exciting skill player in the draft. We are showing confidence in our anointed starting QB and providing him with a player that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball (and opens up the defense even when he doesn't). As an organization we are thrilled to be able to trade down and still come away with a week 1 difference maker.

Man would I hate that in real life. Gonna need Adoree to stay healthy to cover Waddle.

refer to the Eagles as "we" without ralphing?

Ugh

... and you know with a high degree of certainty that the two players you really want are about to be picked at #11 and #12.

Horn might have been a safer pick, and Darrisaw or Vera-Tucker would fill a more obvious need. The Chargers go for upside with Farley.

addressing the defense, with little or no help to the offense. The OL is a glaring weakness, and Vera- Tucker can play both G or T and instantly improve their O- Line.

because there are a lot of people here who do not like my selection. Ha!

In comment 15201951 MadPlaid said:

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because there are a lot of people here who do not like my selection. Ha!

I like the pick, Mad! Daniel Jeremiah also LOVES Slater, has him ranked #7 overall, ahead of Penei Sewell.
Slater is a slightly undersized tackle prospect. He plays with outstanding knee bend, foot quickness and balance. He explodes out of his stance in the passing game and does an excellent job of re-working his hands to maintain inside position. Slater gives a little ground versus power before dropping his weight and anchoring late. His best trait is his ability to recover when he finds himself in a bad position. In the run game, he plays with quickness and urgency when working up to the second level. He takes great angles and is one of the best I've seen when it comes to cutting off linebackers. He doesn't have elite power to knock back defenders over his nose, but he does a good job of running his feet and staying attached. He has excellent awareness. Overall, Slater might lack ideal length, but it doesn't hinder him and I believe he can excel at left tackle. If a team chooses to play him inside, he should quickly develop into a Pro Bowl guard.

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Belichick has a strong relationship with Saban, so Jones is familiar with the program. Pats desperately need another QB in the room. Jones can now back up Cam and be ready when called upon.

I was unsure if Jones would make it this far, but the Patriots sit tight and get their guy.

Guard might be the team’s most glaring hole, and Slater was one of the top two prospects left on most boards, and he might even be able to play tackle if he’s not needed inside. Boring-ass pick, but a perfectly good one.

Does the staff like what they have on the Interior OL? Maybe, but it’s not as though our guards (or the rest of the OL for that matter) have an impressive body of work.

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I agree if a play maker is higher ranked than Slater, that's where they should go. I just didn't see anyone who I rated higher being there. Waddle was to me rated on the same plain as Slater, so I went with the one who was a higher need. I did start reading good things about an edge rusher from Georgia, but he seemed the kind of pick you target with a trade down. Unfortunately, if the Giants are going to trade down, it isn't happening until draft day, if at all.

I agree with you completely. When a player at another position is better, go with him. But when you have two players at about the same talent player, then you go with need.

Alijah Vera-Tucker pick... he was number one on my list once Waddle was taken... thought he would make it to 17.

No one will be upset... but I'd start him at Right Tackle and sign Trai Turner for Right Guard...

LT: Thomas / Solder
LG: Lemieux / Hernandez
OC: Gates / Harrison
RG: Turner / Fulton
RT: Slater / Peart

Jaycee Horn was pick after Alijah Vera-Tucker. Thought for sure one of the two would make it to me.

I was targeting CB if it matched up and it pretty much did. Started to think of some others on the board but going to see whats available rd 2!

oh well so Christian Barmore is a beast. 6-foot-4, 310 pounds, he ran his 40 in 4.93 seconds. Had 12 pressures in the two playoff college games at DT including a sack in each game. Put up 8 sacks in 11 games this year. He dominated this year.

...without any EDGE picks. I don’t think it has happened since, like, 2004.

I guess Parsons has some of the traits, but nobody really looks at him that way.

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...without any EDGE picks. I don’t think it has happened since, like, 2004. I guess Parsons has some of the traits, but nobody really looks at him that way.

To me the best player on the board were Edge rushers, but the Raiders have so many edge players.

Getting ahead of the Browns scouting department haha

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Getting ahead of the Browns scouting department haha

Browns are not used to picking late

Rousseau and Paye. I went with Paye, but with a heavy heart. Rousseau has more upside, but Paye more of a sure thing. I'll chit chat about it at another time. Gonna go to sleep now since it's 1:35 am now where I am and I need to knock. Peace out mongoes.

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Browns are not used to picking late

Touche

that was tough...really about 5 guys I'd of been very happy with there, but Darrisaw had the least warts/worries, and those guys are hard or impossible to find in free agency.

Fills one of their two major concerns

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He might be my fav ER in this class.

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He might be my fav ER in this class.

What do you guys see in his film? I haven’t watched a ton bc he’s not a scheme-fit for Cleveland but it’ wasn’t very impressive to me. Decent hand use and bend but doesn’t seem very explosive and uses 1 move 80% of the time. Not overly physical. Curious what others are seeing...

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In comment 15202281 superspynyg said: Quote: He might be my fav ER in this class. What do you guys see in his film? I haven’t watched a ton bc he’s not a scheme-fit for Cleveland but it’ wasn’t very impressive to me. Decent hand use and bend but doesn’t seem very explosive and uses 1 move 80% of the time. Not overly physical. Curious what others are seeing...

Seems pretty explosive to me. Hard worker, voted captain as a RS Soph. Productive in the SEC. A lot to like here imo. Needs to get stronger and ideally he's 1-2 inches taller but if that was the case he's a top 10 pick.

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In comment 15202286 Lionhart28 said: Quote: In comment 15202281 superspynyg said: Quote: He might be my fav ER in this class. What do you guys see in his film? I haven’t watched a ton bc he’s not a scheme-fit for Cleveland but it’ wasn’t very impressive to me. Decent hand use and bend but doesn’t seem very explosive and uses 1 move 80% of the time. Not overly physical. Curious what others are seeing... Seems pretty explosive to me. Hard worker, voted captain as a RS Soph. Productive in the SEC. A lot to like here imo. Needs to get stronger and ideally he's 1-2 inches taller but if that was the case he's a top 10 pick.

Thanks Jon, always nice getting different perspectives on players.

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In comment 15202292 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15202286 Lionhart28 said: Quote: In comment 15202281 superspynyg said: Quote: He might be my fav ER in this class. What do you guys see in his film? I haven’t watched a ton bc he’s not a scheme-fit for Cleveland but it’ wasn’t very impressive to me. Decent hand use and bend but doesn’t seem very explosive and uses 1 move 80% of the time. Not overly physical. Curious what others are seeing... Seems pretty explosive to me. Hard worker, voted captain as a RS Soph. Productive in the SEC. A lot to like here imo. Needs to get stronger and ideally he's 1-2 inches taller but if that was the case he's a top 10 pick. Thanks Jon, always nice getting different perspectives on players.

For sure. How do you rank the edge rushers?

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In comment 15202294 Lionhart28 said: Quote: He might be my fav ER in this class. For sure. How do you rank the edge rushers?

I spent a long time evaluating the day one and two guys, it’s a struggle. No slam dunks for me, honestly. If they don’t have too measurable a I want to see a really good first step and some power. I also want to see
Production, hard to find all 3 this year. The rankings for teams are going to be all over the place depending on what they’re looking for and their schemes. I’ll give my rankings after round one though haha

there's a lot to like about Ojulari, (good bend, good acceleration, solid all-around when not rushing the passer, but if you're looking for questions

1. Size - 240, which isn't awful but not especially large or tall, and arms aren't especially long.
2. Small collection of moves...a guy who's been able to win in college with a limited skill set, one or two tricks, that will probably have to widen in the pros. Can it? Maybe

He's one of the guys who didn't play last year..I'm sure some teams will care about that more than others.

He's a little bigger than Azeez and has better technique.

Stole someone I thought could fall to me (didn’t think USC OL was realistic)

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Stole someone I thought could fall to me (didn’t think USC OL was realistic)

Although he didn't steal Azeez Ojulari from me, that was the Georgia edge rusher I had been reading about lately for the Gmen at 11. I didn't think it was realistic, but what do I know? I does my research from the in-ter-net.

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plug in and play OG immediately and versatile enough to play RT.

Not an impact player. It should have been Waddle. Not at all happy with Slater.

I disagree. I see Slater as an impact player. Anybody who can keep the pressure off Jones, so he has time to complete deep throws to Golloday, Ross and Slayton is a good thing. Plus help make space for Saquon to make plays is a difference maker. When the Oline works, the Giants will win. It starts with them.

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I disagree. I see Slater as an impact player. Anybody who can keep the pressure off Jones, so he has time to complete deep throws to Golloday, Ross and Slayton is a good thing. Plus help make space for Saquon to make plays is a difference maker. When the Oline works, the Giants will win. It starts with them.

You can find the same in the 2nd round with a guard and that is what Slater is in the NFL, a guard. Waddle is Tyreek Hill, but a touch bigger. From looking at it Vera-Tucker appears to be the better OL.
I see little way Judge takes Slater at 11. Sewell maybe, but I still think he wants an impact skill player at #11.

I always go BPA, I'm not trying to pick like the team but I certainly get if some GMs want to do that but not why I really do this.

The most criticized pick I've ever had on here was actually DK Metcalf at 16. Not only for the "reach" but also because ATL was stacked at receiver. Flash forward to later that year and they pay Julio a huge extension that he really hasn't lived up to. For all of the idea that they were set at that position, you aren't ever to set to add a star.

Pitts to me is a matchup nightmare. He's the surest thing in this draft not named Lawrence. I'd definitely be looking to move Jones if I were ATL even now.

I'd very much expect them to take Fields if the draft played out like this but honestly I'm not all the way there with him. Would have taken Lance but if Fields has what it takes to win in the NFL between the ears is a real toss up for me.

I get it. Slater is not an exciting pick like Waddle. Heck, I would have preferred Pitts, Parson, Smith or Surtain. But none were there at 11. I just didn't think Waddle's obvious talent out weighed his durability issues.

In the end, what decided it for me was the common factor in the Giants awful record over the last several years: a putrid offensive line. Lack luster, inconsistent, no time for Eli and then Jones to do anything. Barkley having to rely on his talent alone to make plays. No help. They have some really good guys on it now, but can you say for certain any of them are the answer?

Slater is talented enough to play tackle or guard. He can fight for RT job, or challenge for one of the guard spots. Is Solder really that great an option if Peart or Thomas fail or get injured? Is Lemieux or Hernandez for real? Or would Slater be a much better option at any of those positions? He is going to help make the offense better by keeping the pressure out of Jones' face and making space for Saquon to run.

That is where he will be a difference maker.

not sure what isn't sexy about shoring up the line.

If you look at a case study of the Giants, things started to go worse for us when the line slipped and we started trying to solve that by bringing in weapons for the offense before we were sure we had the protection down.

Unfortunately I fear that the Giants would go with Waddle there instead and that represents a huge risk in my mind, not just for him as a player but in the fact that the Oline is probably what will make or break this season and as of now it looks like the biggest concern.

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I get it. Slater is not an exciting pick like Waddle. Heck, I would have preferred Pitts, Parson, Smith or Surtain. But none were there at 11. I just didn't think Waddle's obvious talent out weighed his durability issues. In the end, what decided it for me was the common factor in the Giants awful record over the last several years: a putrid offensive line. Lack luster, inconsistent, no time for Eli and then Jones to do anything. Barkley having to rely on his talent alone to make plays. No help. They have some really good guys on it now, but can you say for certain any of them are the answer? Slater is talented enough to play tackle or guard. He can fight for RT job, or challenge for one of the guard spots. Is Solder really that great an option if Peart or Thomas fail or get injured? Is Lemieux or Hernandez for real? Or would Slater be a much better option at any of those positions? He is going to help make the offense better by keeping the pressure out of Jones' face and making space for Saquon to run. That is where he will be a difference maker.

There are those here that argue we need a rookie oliner to improve the line while arguing that the guys picked last year aren't going to improve... that is the issue or one of them with this pick. So the guys last year weren't good enough and will not improve this season, so we will live through growing pains of another rookie OG...FWIW, Thomas was (arguably) the "most pro ready" OT in the draft but it took him 8 games to get it together...

If Golladay gets injured, the Giants are back to last year at WR. If they take Waddle, they still have a game wrecker to play alongside Slayton and Shepard.

Slater would be a good addition to the line and I cannot say he would not start at RG. Your reasoning to protect Jones is excellent if Slater is a day one starter and a big improvement over Zeitler. I just think Waddle or Smith would be more likely to elevate the WR position.

No need to respond, you need to research #42 and I have taken up too much of your time.

I respect your point of view. It has merit. Yeah, rookie lineman all over again. This has been fun, and I think in many ways we are both right.

I'm confident I will be able to find a sexy play maker in the upcoming rounds. First two picks, hogmollies? Unlikely.

Cheers and have a great night.

You can’t find Slater’s versatility in the second round. IMHO, Slater can not only play guard at a high level but also tackle.
The WR position is so deep and loaded the Giants can find an impact starter at number 42.
That’s just my opinion but I value your opinion also.

(at least most) questioning the Slater pick are saying to IGNORE the O Line...I hope they add at least one, maybe two in this draft. what they think of Peart will play a big role in that decision, but sure - address it. It's very important


Just not sure a guy who's played tackle, but might not project to OT in the pros due to size issues, is worth pick 11 with Waddle (and all his speed that would really help open up the field for Golladay and Saquan) still on the board. There are other fast wr's to grab later, but Waddle looks special imo

It's not a bad pick, but I'd much prefer Waddle there. I could be wrong

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In comment 15201689 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: To Andy in Halifax? He has PSTD from all the previous draft beatings.

He sucks at drafting for the Giants 😩😀😁

It will be a homerun if he is our Zack Martin. That should help stablize the right side of our O-line whether he plays tackle or guard.

Round 1
1. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Jacksonville (Kevin in CT), Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
2. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
3. San Francisco (Pete from WS) (Mia, Hou) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State
4. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
5. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon
6. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Phi) - Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
7. Detroit (superspynyg) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State
8. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State
9. Denver (jlukes) - DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama
10. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama
11. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Rashawn Slater, OT/IOL, Northwestern
12. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) (from SF, Mia) - Jaylen Waddle, WR/RS, Alabama
13. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech
14. Minnesota (johnnyb) - Alijah Vera-Tucker, IOL, USC
15. New England (Sean) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
16. Arizona (DCPollaro) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina
17. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Christian Barmore, IDL, Alabama
18. Miami (Optimus-NY) - Kwity Paye, EDGE, Michigan
19. Washington (SirYesSir) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
20. Chicago (Anakim) - Jaelan Phillips, EDGE, Miami
21. Indianapolis (Go Terps) - Teven Jenkins, OT/IOL, Oklahoma State
22. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) - Rondale Moore, WR/RS, Purdue
23. NY Jets (Jon in NYC) (from Sea) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE/LB, Georgia
24. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) - Jalen Mayfield, IOL/OT, Michigan
25. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from LAR) - On the clock
26. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
27. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
28. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22)
29. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
30. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
31. Kansas City (English Alaister)
32. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)

Round 2
33. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT)
34. New York Jets (Jon in NYC)
35. Atlanta (NoGainDayne)
36. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Hou)
37. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly)
38. Cincinnati (Matt G)
39. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte)
40. Denver (jlukes)
41. Detroit (superspynyg)
42. New York Giants (MadPlaid)
43. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock)
44. Dallas (Rick in Dallas)
45. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from Min)
46. New England (Sean)
47. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger)
48. Las Vegas (Amtoft)
49. Arizona (DCPollaro)
50. Miami (Optimus-NY)
51. Washington (SirYesSir)
52. Chicago (Anakim)
53. Tennessee (TommytheElephant)
54. Indianapolis (Go Terps)
55. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce)
56. Seattle (sjnyfan)
57. LA Rams (JayBinQueens)
58. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
59. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
60. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22)
61. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
62. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
63. Kansas City (English Alaister)
64. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)

Hopefully we can keep momentum going. I am happy about the picks after Ojulari because at that point, of the remaining players, one guy was in a tier higher than the rest and I had identified two players that stood out in the next tier. Fortunately nobody has taken any of those three and currently there are two teams who pick before me.

That should say the picks around Ojulari because my Round 1 board had been whittled down to Ojulari and those 3 after Washington took Darrisaw

There was levelheaded discussion last night...

Excited about this pick for the Jags as their defense was atrocious. A bit undersized at 6'1" 215 but can put on some weight and maintain his explosiveness. One of the most athletic linebackers in the draft who can easily cover tight ends and running backs. Will be a threat to any QB coming on the edge to blitz.

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There was levelheaded discussion last night...

I know, right?! What’s up with that?

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Getting ahead of the Browns scouting department haha

I guess the Browns aren't used to getting up early either.

HEY, LIONHEART28, WAKE UP!

Our GM got greedy and forgot that he's supposed to protect me, even if it means reaching slightly at #13.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Justin Herbert

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LOL! Two snaps

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With Waddle still not participating in a Pro Day that raises a red flag. Who knows if he can be 100% healed from his injury.

Who was the pick if the Giants took Waddle?
Slater?
Horn?
Farley?
Bueller?
Bueller?

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Who was the pick if the Giants took Waddle?

If it was somebody who's still on the board, apologies for prying.

Pick coming shortly

So I will try to put him off for a bit so I can submit a pick soon after Lionhart selects. I know it is going to end up being one of two players so it is just a matter of finding the right image!

Joe Tryon, Edge, Washington.
6'4" 251 RS Jr

I spent a lot of time on this edge class and it's a tricky one. I wanted to see more production actually lining up at DE from Rousseau. He scares the crap out of me. I actually think he'd make a great 5T.

Tryon has good size and a frame that can support more, explosiveness and a reasonably developed hand use. He has loose hips if you want to drop him into coverage as well. I would have liked to see 2020 film but he did display good production in 2019 and displays excellent effort on film. I saw some of him shedding Penei Sewell in the run game and making tackles against Oregon and that sold me on his NFL potential.

Where is Jerry Reese when a freakish, underage DE from the Pompano/Deerfield area with a thin football resume needs him?

I went back and forth between Tryon and Collins. If it weren't for Cleveland deemphasizing LBs I probably would have gone Collins, LOVE that kid. Give me him over Ojulari every day of the week.

With the loss of Matt Judon and Yannick Ngakoue in Free Agency, addressing EDGE early on was imperative. I don't care what the Pro Days say, Collins was the fastest EDGE I saw on the field in pads versus running in underwear. Collins also impresses me with his ability to do more than just rush the passer. This is what made Matt Judon so good for the Ravens. He was a force against the run and you did not know if he would be rushing the passer or dropping back in coverage. Really happy that Collins fell to me.

Strongly considered Collins with the Washington pick at #19. And Edge is like his third-best skill...he's tremendous in coverage and a fierce run defender. Comparisons to Urlacher seem fair to me.

I did read somewhere he was kind of a weird kid, and not popular with teammates...not sure if that's true.

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Strongly considered Collins with the Washington pick at #19. And Edge is like his third-best skill...he's tremendous in coverage and a fierce run defender. Comparisons to Urlacher seem fair to me. I did read somewhere he was kind of a weird kid, and not popular with teammates...not sure if that's true.

SYS, exactly. That's what I like about Collins, he can do it all and make big, clutch plays regularly. Not a fit for all teams but I like him in a system like the Giants run where they want guys who can play all over and do different things.

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With the loss of Matt Judon and Yannick Ngakoue in Free Agency, addressing EDGE early on was imperative. I don't care what the Pro Days say, Collins was the fastest EDGE I saw on the field in pads versus running in underwear. Collins also impresses me with his ability to do more than just rush the passer. This is what made Matt Judon so good for the Ravens. He was a force against the run and you did not know if he would be rushing the passer or dropping back in coverage. Really happy that Collins fell to me.

That's exactly the type of player the Ravens love to draft every year.

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Joe Tryon, Edge, Washington. 6'4" 251 RS Jr I spent a lot of time on this edge class and it's a tricky one.

Emory Hunt has Tryon as his #1 edge guy...mocked him to the Giants at 11 recently.

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Who was the pick if the Giants took Waddle? Slater? Horn? Farley? Bueller? Bueller?

I'm glad Waddle was there because it made my life easier. Ultimately I probably would have taken one of the CB's as it is such an immediate need, but Mac Jones sitting there would have thrown the war room into pandemonium. It would go against Lurie's desire to see Hurts be the centerpiece, but going all in on Hurts is just so risky (and I hope it all blows up in their faces)...

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In comment 15202683 Lionhart28 said: Quote: Joe Tryon, Edge, Washington. 6'4" 251 RS Jr I spent a lot of time on this edge class and it's a tricky one. Emory Hunt has Tryon as his #1 edge guy...mocked him to the Giants at 11 recently.

I like his film better than everyone but Phillips and he was a no go in the 1st for me due to the medicals. I also really like the kid from Texas, Ossai but prefer him standing up. I like Basham too but doesn't have the explosiveness I want to see from a pass rusher this high.

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I'm glad Waddle was there because it made my life easier. Ultimately I probably would have taken one of the CB's as it is such an immediate need, but Mac Jones sitting there would have thrown the war room into pandemonium. It would go against Lurie's desire to see Hurts be the centerpiece, but going all in on Hurts is just so risky (and I hope it all blows up in their faces)...

Thanks Chris. Chargers were hoping for 11.Waddle... 12.Farley/Horn... leaving Slater as the obvious pick at 13.

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Where is Jerry Reese when a freakish, underage DE from the Pompano/Deerfield area with a thin football resume needs him?

That is because people think they can see how athletic someone is by watching them run the 40, SS, and 3cone. They act like they know what they are seeing. Saints with the steal of the draft.

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In comment 15202697 Mike in NY said: Quote: With the loss of Matt Judon and Yannick Ngakoue in Free Agency, addressing EDGE early on was imperative. I don't care what the Pro Days say, Collins was the fastest EDGE I saw on the field in pads versus running in underwear. Collins also impresses me with his ability to do more than just rush the passer. This is what made Matt Judon so good for the Ravens. He was a force against the run and you did not know if he would be rushing the passer or dropping back in coverage. Really happy that Collins fell to me. That's exactly the type of player the Ravens love to draft every year.

I had some fallbacks at other positions who also would have been Ravens-type picks, but Collins was the best player remaining on my board and the run on EDGE guys did not make me feel confident that I could get a comparable player later. I just did not see Rousseau as a scheme fit. To me he was more of a 4-3 DE. Ossai I think has the potential to be a 3-4 OLB if allowed to focus only on that position, but I did not think he would be there at my next pick. Oweh has all of the measurables, but the lack of results does not fit with what Ravens are looking for. Beyond that it gets really murky with converting DE's who don't have the pass coverage skills of Collins or undersized pass rushers who really profile as situational pass rushers more than starters.

Has been my dark horse. I wanted him at 11. After the BBI mock, I no longer do. I HATED seeing Waddle go to Philly. Nope, if one of the top receivers are on the board including Pitts, that should be our pick. If they are ALL gone, Slater. I don't think IOL prospects drop off as much as the receivers in the second round.

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In comment 15202688 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: Where is Jerry Reese when a freakish, underage DE from the Pompano/Deerfield area with a thin football resume needs him? That is because people think they can see how athletic someone is by watching them run the 40, SS, and 3cone. They act like they know what they are seeing. Saints with the steal of the draft.

I can see why Rousseau fell though. He is more of a 4-3 DE and not really scheme diverse. Also, for someone who missed a lot of time (including voluantarily sitting out this year) you expected to see him come in and put on a show since he had all of that time to train just for Pro Day. Looking mediocre in drills after all of that says something about his dedication that requires further inquiry.

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In comment 15202791 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 15202688 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: Where is Jerry Reese when a freakish, underage DE from the Pompano/Deerfield area with a thin football resume needs him? That is because people think they can see how athletic someone is by watching them run the 40, SS, and 3cone. They act like they know what they are seeing. Saints with the steal of the draft. I can see why Rousseau fell though. He is more of a 4-3 DE and not really scheme diverse. Also, for someone who missed a lot of time (including voluantarily sitting out this year) you expected to see him come in and put on a show since he had all of that time to train just for Pro Day. Looking mediocre in drills after all of that says something about his dedication that requires further inquiry.

I'd like to see him as a 5-technique at 6'7" almost 270 with 34.75" arms. His frame still seems to have room for an additional 15-20 pounds.

Ugh! I hate O'Brien right now!

Dey oughta investigate him fa bettin!

Buffalo pick is Joseph Ossai, Texas Edge rusher

It is such a tough group to grade this year. Normally you have 2 or 3 Edge players that rise above the rest of the group. I don’t see that this year.
Maybe Phillips this year.

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It is such a tough group to grade this year. Normally you have 2 or 3 Edge players that rise above the rest of the group. I don’t see that this year. Maybe Phillips this year.

I am not surprised by the run at the end of Round 1 because they won't be there in Round 2 and the dropoff at that position is more noticeable than at other positions

Did watch some film of Tevin Jenkins just mandhandling him but he's got some great tools and his a high effort guy. I'd be happy with him at 42 for NYG if he's still around.

I feel like if he's good he could have the nickname "JOC" think it depends where he lands but he's the type of guy you can move around and disguise coverages with, that kind of thing matters more and more in today's NFL.

Newsome was another one of my targets.

is scary

Not too scary if Mahomes is running for his life / on his back frequently because of a porous OL.

I would bet they go OL.

KC better go OL and often.

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Agreed. After the Ojulari selection my pick was in 4 picks. Collins was the last player on my highest tier of remaining players, but Toney was in the top 3 on my next tier (the other two players have yet to be drafted)

let's get to it mongos!

P.S. I feel like the mongos thing has really caught on with this draft, I've never felt an urge to call anyone a mongo unless in this thread lol

Rondale Moore going as early as he did? I can't imagine him going before Toney in the actual draft. Love the player but 1 year of production, a bad injury, an opt out and measured in under 5'8". The good thing is that he isn't slightly built, he's put together. Sproles-type of receiving role?

But of course he goes 1 spot before me.

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he wasn't making it past ATL

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he wasn't making it past ATL

Learning from JPP and not being counted on right away as a starter is a perfect situation for Oweh. Sky is the limit athletically and the kid is a hard worker, just needs more time and coaching.

slim chance an edge drops to the Rams lol

Did anyone see Najee Harris today run pass routes like a WR.
I do think he will go in the first round next month.
Great first round BBI GM’’s.

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I consider it BPA. He is in a great spot and he won't be relied on to start.

My guy Joe Tryon:
6’5” 259
34” arms
4.64-40
35” vertical
7.18 3 cone


Jim Nagy Tweet - ( New Window )

We’re all Giants fans. The wariness about first-round running backs makes sense. Aside from Rodney Hampton 31 years ago and Frank Gifford 38 years before that, the history is unbelievably grim.

Looney: Bizarre, epic bust
Frederickson: Devastating injury in year two
Woolfolk: Bust
Adams: Devastating injury in year two
Hampton: Terrific player ruined by overuse.
Bunch: Devastating injury in year two
Wheatley: Bust
Dayne: Bust
Wilson: Devastating injury in year two while on pace to becoming a bust
Barkley: Devastating injury in year three after a serious injury in year two.

If the chicken bites you enough times, you eventually stop wanting to f*ck the same chicken.

He barely played on offense as a rookie though. 1993 was his second year in the backfield with Hampton.

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let's get to it mongos! P.S. I feel like the mongos thing has really caught on with this draft, I've never felt an urge to call anyone a mongo unless in this thread lol

#WeAreALLMongoes

"CAWWWIM DOWIN!"

Round 1
1. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
2. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
3. San Francisco (Pete from WS) (Mia, Hou) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State
4. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
5. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon
6. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Phi) - Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
7. Detroit (superspynyg) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State
8. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State
9. Denver (jlukes) - DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama
10. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama
11. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Rashawn Slater, OT/IOL, Northwestern
12. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) (from SF, Mia) - Jaylen Waddle, WR/RS, Alabama
13. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech
14. Minnesota (johnnyb) - Alijah Vera-Tucker, IOL, USC
15. New England (Sean) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
16. Arizona (DCPollaro) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina
17. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Christian Barmore, IDL, Alabama
18. Miami (Optimus-NY) - Kwity Paye, EDGE, Michigan
19. Washington (SirYesSir) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
20. Chicago (Anakim) - Jaelan Phillips, EDGE, Miami
21. Indianapolis (Go Terps) - Teven Jenkins, OT/IOL, Oklahoma State
22. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) - Rondale Moore, WR/RS, Purdue
23. NY Jets (Jon in NYC) (from Sea) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE/LB, Georgia
24. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) - Jalen Mayfield, IOL/OT, Michigan
25. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from LAR) - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame
26. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - Joe Tryon, EDGE/LB, Washington
27. Baltimore (Mike in NY) - Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa
28. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) - Gregory Rousseau, EDGE, Miami
29. Buffalo (Uconngiant) - Joseph Ossai, EDGE/LB, Texas
30. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant) - Greg Newsome, CB, Northwestern
31. Kansas City (English Alaister) - Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida
32. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island) - Jayson Oweh, EDGE, Penn State

Round 2
33. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - On the clock
34. New York Jets (Jon in NYC)
35. Atlanta (NoGainDayne)
36. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Hou)
37. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly)
38. Cincinnati (Matt G)
39. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte)
40. Denver (jlukes)
41. Detroit (superspynyg)
42. New York Giants (MadPlaid)
43. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock)
44. Dallas (Rick in Dallas)
45. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from Min)
46. New England (Sean)
47. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger)
48. Las Vegas (Amtoft)
49. Arizona (DCPollaro)
50. Miami (Optimus-NY)
51. Washington (SirYesSir)
52. Chicago (Anakim)
53. Tennessee (TommytheElephant)
54. Indianapolis (Go Terps)
55. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce)
56. Seattle (sjnyfan)
57. LA Rams (JayBinQueens)
58. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
59. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
60. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22)
61. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
62. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
63. Kansas City (English Alaister)
64. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)

Jags are beyond excited to pair a potential stud 20 year old wide receiver with Trevor. 6'3" and 220 with room to add some more weight will make Marshall a very tough cover.

Instant red zone target will help Trevor immediately.

Happy that he lasted to us in the 2nd round. Thought he may have gone earlier.

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Jags are beyond excited to pair a potential stud 20 year old wide receiver with Trevor. 6'3" and 220 with room to add some more weight will make Marshall a very tough cover. Instant red zone target will help Trevor immediately. Happy that he lasted to us in the 2nd round. Thought he may have gone earlier.

Two questions:

1) Can he cook?

&

2) Does his mommy have to move in with him?

My guy just went to one of you mongoes!

getting Najee instead of Etienne. What a shame...

I've got my eyes on another guy at 50 right now.

He ran pass routes yesterday at the Alabama pro day better than some WR's. He looked awesome.

Loved your pick. He was on my shortlist for 27

In comment 15203667 Jon in NYC said:

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getting Najee instead of Etienne. What a shame...

Is this sarcasm? I prefer Najee.

love the Toney to KC pick. They have signed a couple OL already, and can draft some more. Toney hard to pass up pairing him with Hill.

Love the Harris to Dolphins pick. Best RB in the draft. I would look for the Dolphins to take him at 18 actually. To get him at 36 is an absolute steal. If the Dolphins love Javonte Williams (reports are they are interested in an NC back), then I could see them passing on RB at 18 and getting one at 36. Otherwise I see them going Harris at 18

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In comment 15203667 Jon in NYC said: Quote: getting Najee instead of Etienne. What a shame... Is this sarcasm? I prefer Najee.

Just teasing Optimus because he it sounds like wanted Etienne but I took him first.

That Tunsil trade looks more and more reminiscent of Herschel Walker. If Tua is the goods, look out.

In comment 15203746 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15203718 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15203667 Jon in NYC said: Quote: getting Najee instead of Etienne. What a shame... Is this sarcasm? I prefer Najee. Just teasing Optimus because he it sounds like wanted Etienne but I took him first.

Got ya. Etienne vs. Harris has been hotly debated. Even some that say Williams is the best. Etienne has Kamara-like potential, but Kamara has also had an OL and a HOF QB. Not sure he would be as effective with another team. Harris is the better back IMO. He can do it all and take on a larger workload.

to dip into the CB pool with their second round pick. There is a cluster of DB's that we have ranked closely, but we feel like Campbell's size and speed will allow him to develop into the best of the bunch. Darius Slay will be the perfect mentor to help make Campbell into a top notch CB2.

Looks like you were right to go WR instead of CB at 12. No idea how the players stack up against each other, but the cornerbacks do seem more tightly bunched.

Similar to Miami with Tagovailoa, if Philly is right about Hurts, the Eagles won't be down for long. It's hard to blow the number of high picks they will have in the next 2-3 drafts.

In comment 15203746 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15203718 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15203667 Jon in NYC said: Quote: getting Najee instead of Etienne. What a shame... Is this sarcasm? I prefer Najee. Just teasing Optimus because he it sounds like wanted Etienne but I took him first.

I did. It's splitting hairs really, but he was a smidge higher than me. I usually don't talk about who I wanted until after the draft, but you're spot on here. I didn't exactly hide it, lol.

In comment 15203768 Big Blue Blogger said:

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That Tunsil trade looks more and more reminiscent of Herschel Walker. If Tua is the goods, look out.

It really is. Fish shoulda taken Herbert last year. I should have too. I took Tua 5th last year and so did the Fish.

Giants, but I know it won't happen. Talented ol usually go earlier than they're projected.

The Chargers' board took a beating on the last two picks.

Leatherwood is high on my 2nd round wish list for the Giants but I doubt he falls that far. Leatherwood will be a target of the Giants due to his versatility and Alabama connection.

Leatherwood can play four positions along the OL and can battle Greg Little for the starting LT job or John Miller and Pat Elflein for the starting guard spots.

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Giants, but I know it won't happen. Talented ol usually go earlier than they're projected.

The tape on Leatherwood is really impressive. He does a great job of identifying who is coming on the blitz and who is dropping into coverage. Getting any sort of a pass rush on him seemed really tough, as he just pushes guys out of the way.

What he has to get better at is playing hard every down.

Is outstanding this year. As much as I like Slater, I think the Giants could end up with a starter (especially inside) at 42.

smart

It will be interesting to see what they do because the WR's left have their own drawbacks (Bateman can he separate, is Elijah Moore only really a slot guy), we have already taken an OL, and the EDGE guys are gone.

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Is outstanding this year. As much as I like Slater, I think the Giants could end up with a starter (especially inside) at 42.

The way the mock draft is going, I probably could have taken a chance on Waddle, and still picked up someone good for the OL in the 2nd. Go figure.

I noticed. My options aren't as good as I hoped. The way things are falling, it looks like OL in the first wasn't as ideal as I thought. It is what it is. Good pick, but maybe not the best strategy. This is why we mock.

a run on OL guys!!

In comment 15204048 MadPlaid said:

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I noticed. My options aren't as good as I hoped. The way things are falling, it looks like OL in the first wasn't as ideal as I thought. It is what it is. Good pick, but maybe not the best strategy. This is why we mock.

This is also why teams mock and positional depth matters.

#MongoesMocking

4.38 for Terrace Marshall
4.38 fir Chase
4.44 for Pitts

In comment 15204084 Lionhart28 said:

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4.38 for Terrace Marshall 4.38 fir Chase 4.44 for Pitts

I am also interested in the Notre Dame OL because they could be Day 2 targets for the Giants in real life

Taking Bateman who we consider to be a top 15 pick.

Ugh!

If I were MadPlaid and I took Slater in Round 1 there are a pair of defenders I like, but probably not 100% sure where they fit - Kentucky LB Jamin Davis and Washington DL Levi Onwuzurike

If Davis is in fact north of 230 with what he did at his Pro Day I would be okay with him as an ILB next to Blake Martinez

In comment 15204110 Mike in NY said:

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If I were MadPlaid and I took Slater in Round 1 there are a pair of defenders I like, but probably not 100% sure where they fit - Kentucky LB Jamin Davis and Washington DL Levi Onwuzurike

I love Jamin Davis, he also had his pro day today.

4.49-40
11' !!!! broad jump
42" !!!! vertical

Super explosive, would be great next to Martinez.

With Bateman selected right before I can add him to the Giants' arsenal, I decided to go with a LB whose upside is through the roof. Although an ILB isn't exactly a team need, Davis' measurables intrigued me to the point where I had to pick him for Big Blue. He can be an edge rusher during passing downs. He's also very adept at dropping in coverage, which adds to the likelihood he is will stay on the field all three downs.

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If I were MadPlaid and I took Slater in Round 1 there are a pair of defenders I like, but probably not 100% sure where they fit - Kentucky LB Jamin Davis and Washington DL Levi Onwuzurike

Mike, it's like we are the same person. Both those guys were on my list, too. I was debating with myself if I should go with one of them, or go with a DB or find another WR. Your post and Lionharts helped me make up my mind. Thank you for the assist.

In comment 15204196 MadPlaid said:

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In comment 15204110 Mike in NY said: Quote: If I were MadPlaid and I took Slater in Round 1 there are a pair of defenders I like, but probably not 100% sure where they fit - Kentucky LB Jamin Davis and Washington DL Levi Onwuzurike Mike, it's like we are the same person. Both those guys were on my list, too. I was debating with myself if I should go with one of them, or go with a DB or find another WR. Your post and Lionharts helped me make up my mind. Thank you for the assist.

No problem. It is the Giants and Jamin Davis really doesn't fill a need for the Ravens so the only reason I would have considered him at my next pick was if he was BPA. I am not a fan of Waddle because I question his durability and the inability to show that he can play at football speed. In real life, if he was the only offensive skill guy left (and Top 10 went how ours did in some order) I would take less than draft chart (although not giving away the store) to trade down because the BPA is Slater, but the Round 2 talent there is not as noticeable versus trading back and getting, say, a pass rusher and then following up with OL.

More of an athlete than a football player. Would have gone WR here.

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More of an athlete than a football player. Would have gone WR here.

What WR though? With Bateman gone the next names on the list are not noticeably better than what we could get in Round 3. Why reach for someone like Moore (who is more of a slot guy - no pun intended) when you potentially have Wallace, St. Brown, etc. in Round 3?

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Ugh!

Haha

Lions are pleased to screw over the New York Football Giants.

this team needs more speed everywhere and his combine probably rivals what Devin White did a few years ago. Davis has the kind of athleticism that made Simmons so intriguing last year.

If they can get some speed in the middle level of the defense behind the big DL and with an obviously talented secondary, it can add a whole new dimension.

Very solid first 2 picks. I'd have probably gone Waddle over Slater, but it would have been a tough. call.

Very strong athletic technique 3 DT who is a run stuffer and gets pass rush push up the middle. Had a very strong week of practice at the Senior Bowl. Good addition to the DT group of the Cowboys in a defensive minded draft.

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Is outstanding this year. As much as I like Slater, I think the Giants could end up with a starter (especially inside) at 42.

Agreed

In round 2, I still might have gone with TE Freiermuth here.

Or maybe defensive line.

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More of an athlete than a football player. Would have gone WR here.

For being not much of a football player, he had over 100 tackles, 4 sacks and 3 INTs playing in the SEC

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In round 2, I still might have gone with TE Freiermuth here. Or maybe defensive line.

Either Freiermuth or Edge Carlos Basham would be my picks in the second round.

He made tackles sideline to sideline. For sure not a remote throw pick. He is a player.

In comment 15204224 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15204218 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: More of an athlete than a football player. Would have gone WR here. What WR though? With Bateman gone the next names on the list are not noticeably better than what we could get in Round 3. Why reach for someone like Moore (who is more of a slot guy - no pun intended) when you potentially have Wallace, St. Brown, etc. in Round 3?

Mike, my thoughts exactly. I didn't want to reach and take a WR just because the guy I was targeting didn't make it to me. You have to go with value, in this case BPA. Not a perfect fit, but you take the best player, and worry later how to make him fit.

Thegratefulhead, I hear ya. I really wanted a WR in the 2nd. But the two guys I thought worth it, Bateman and Terrace Marshall were long gone. You can't just pick someone to fill a need. You must find value first. Don't worry, I am still in the hunt for a wideout, and there are still a number of good ones to be had.

Terrace Marshall and Rashod Bateman are my #4 and #5 WRs after the top 3. I think they are going to be amazing. Eric Stokes in the second is a steal also.

I seriously considered Basham. I think he would be good on the Giants. Plus, you got to love a defender named Basham. He's got the right advocation.

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He made tackles sideline to sideline. For sure not a remote throw pick. He is a player.

If we go D in this spot it has to be an ER and this guy does not have sacks or many TFLs. I don't like drafting players that have meteoric rises because of numbers in their shorts. It wasn't our real pick. I ain't mad at madplaid, I just hate the pick. Our mock makes me think we have to go WR early. I think I would rather MUCH have Waddle and Wyatt Davis/Melifonwu than Slater/JDavis. I probably go for Moore in this spot had we gone Slater. I like Moore, more than most.

In comment 15204215 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15204196 MadPlaid said: Quote: In comment 15204110 Mike in NY said: Quote: If I were MadPlaid and I took Slater in Round 1 there are a pair of defenders I like, but probably not 100% sure where they fit - Kentucky LB Jamin Davis and Washington DL Levi Onwuzurike Mike, it's like we are the same person. Both those guys were on my list, too. I was debating with myself if I should go with one of them, or go with a DB or find another WR. Your post and Lionharts helped me make up my mind. Thank you for the assist. No problem. It is the Giants and Jamin Davis really doesn't fill a need for the Ravens so the only reason I would have considered him at my next pick was if he was BPA. I am not a fan of Waddle because I question his durability and the inability to show that he can play at football speed. In real life, if he was the only offensive skill guy left (and Top 10 went how ours did in some order) I would take less than draft chart (although not giving away the store) to trade down because the BPA is Slater, but the Round 2 talent there is not as noticeable versus trading back and getting, say, a pass rusher and then following up with OL.

I question Waddle's durability too but inability to play at football speed? Don't follow that one, he consistently was the fastest, most explosive player on the field in the SEC. I have no questions about his play speed.

In comment 15204305 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 15204247 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: He made tackles sideline to sideline. For sure not a remote throw pick. He is a player. If we go D in this spot it has to be an ER and this guy does not have sacks or many TFLs. I don't like drafting players that have meteoric rises because of numbers in their shorts. It wasn't our real pick. I ain't mad at madplaid, I just hate the pick. Our mock makes me think we have to go WR early. I think I would rather MUCH have Waddle and Wyatt Davis/Melifonwu than Slater/JDavis. I probably go for Moore in this spot had we gone Slater. I like Moore, more than most.

He is only rising in media circles due to his pro day, he was already being discussed by some as a first round pick. You'd like to see more than 1 year of production but totally disagree that Davis is more athlete than football player. He might still be a little raw but was super productive and his athleticism shows up on tape.

I assume this refers to post injury. That is my concern too.

In comment 15204305 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 15204247 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: He made tackles sideline to sideline. For sure not a remote throw pick. He is a player. If we go D in this spot it has to be an ER and this guy does not have sacks or many TFLs. I don't like drafting players that have meteoric rises because of numbers in their shorts. It wasn't our real pick. I ain't mad at madplaid, I just hate the pick. Our mock makes me think we have to go WR early. I think I would rather MUCH have Waddle and Wyatt Davis/Melifonwu than Slater/JDavis. I probably go for Moore in this spot had we gone Slater. I like Moore, more than most.

It wasn't just the combine. He made a lot of progress as the season went on. Don't get caught up in TFL and Sack totals as that wasn't his role. Davis averaged over 10 tackles per game (7 out of 10 he was in double figures). That guy is always around the ball. He can play in coverage too. The arrow is pointing up with him.

I get you like Moore and while he was productive at Ole Miss, he is a slot guy in the NFL like Sterling Shepard. If we are going to take a WR in this draft we need an outside guy who can start as a back-up to Golladay and eventually develop into a WR2 opposite him or beat out Slayton for WR2 job outright and Slayton is the back-up at the outside spots

In comment 15204353 Lionhart28 said:

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In comment 15204215 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15204196 MadPlaid said: Quote: In comment 15204110 Mike in NY said: Quote: If I were MadPlaid and I took Slater in Round 1 there are a pair of defenders I like, but probably not 100% sure where they fit - Kentucky LB Jamin Davis and Washington DL Levi Onwuzurike Mike, it's like we are the same person. Both those guys were on my list, too. I was debating with myself if I should go with one of them, or go with a DB or find another WR. Your post and Lionharts helped me make up my mind. Thank you for the assist. No problem. It is the Giants and Jamin Davis really doesn't fill a need for the Ravens so the only reason I would have considered him at my next pick was if he was BPA. I am not a fan of Waddle because I question his durability and the inability to show that he can play at football speed. In real life, if he was the only offensive skill guy left (and Top 10 went how ours did in some order) I would take less than draft chart (although not giving away the store) to trade down because the BPA is Slater, but the Round 2 talent there is not as noticeable versus trading back and getting, say, a pass rusher and then following up with OL. I question Waddle's durability too but inability to play at football speed? Don't follow that one, he consistently was the fastest, most explosive player on the field in the SEC. I have no questions about his play speed.

After the injury we have no proof that he is anywhere close to what he was before the injury. That is why I would have liked to see him at least run routes. If he can't plant and cut that is a problem.

In comment 15204366 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15204353 Lionhart28 said: Quote: In comment 15204215 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15204196 MadPlaid said: Quote: In comment 15204110 Mike in NY said: Quote: If I were MadPlaid and I took Slater in Round 1 there are a pair of defenders I like, but probably not 100% sure where they fit - Kentucky LB Jamin Davis and Washington DL Levi Onwuzurike Mike, it's like we are the same person. Both those guys were on my list, too. I was debating with myself if I should go with one of them, or go with a DB or find another WR. Your post and Lionharts helped me make up my mind. Thank you for the assist. No problem. It is the Giants and Jamin Davis really doesn't fill a need for the Ravens so the only reason I would have considered him at my next pick was if he was BPA. I am not a fan of Waddle because I question his durability and the inability to show that he can play at football speed. In real life, if he was the only offensive skill guy left (and Top 10 went how ours did in some order) I would take less than draft chart (although not giving away the store) to trade down because the BPA is Slater, but the Round 2 talent there is not as noticeable versus trading back and getting, say, a pass rusher and then following up with OL. I question Waddle's durability too but inability to play at football speed? Don't follow that one, he consistently was the fastest, most explosive player on the field in the SEC. I have no questions about his play speed. After the injury we have no proof that he is anywhere close to what he was before the injury. That is why I would have liked to see him at least run routes. If he can't plant and cut that is a problem.

Ah, I follow now. Yeah, tough to take him at 11 without the medicals these teams have. As far as Moore, the difference between he and Shep is speed. Moore is almost like a smaller Waddle.

Pro day:
5'9.5"
178
4.35-40
4.00-SS
6.66-3 cone

Definitely smaller but quicker and faster than Shep. Wouldn't be bad in the 3rd round, especially if you think he has enough quickness/strength to get off the press and play some outside.

That injury should not affect his straight line speed. That kid got on the field and played when he should have sat. I want guys like that. Moore is a large upgrade to SS who I want to move away from next concussion will be his last NFL game. Moore is dynamic and he helps specials. If I go D in the and round it would have to be a proven pass rusher.

I appreciate the respectful debate. We just disagree and I am cool with that.

I think Moore is limited to the slot which makes me concerned about using anything higher than a 3rd Round selection on him if I were in charge of a team, especially someone like the Giants who have plenty of slot candidates but need more outside guys.

Changing gears, it will be interesting to see how Kevin continues the Jaguars rebuild if he ever shows up!

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That injury should not affect his straight line speed. That kid got on the field and played when he should have sat. I want guys like that. Moore is a large upgrade to SS who I want to move away from next concussion will be his last NFL game. Moore is dynamic and he helps specials. If I go D in the and round it would have to be a proven pass rusher. I appreciate the respectful debate. We just disagree and I am cool with that.

The question I have is why reach for Moore in Round 2 when you can get someone like Jaelon Darden late on Day 3?

undersized speed receivers in this draft. I definitely wouldn't take one until the 3rd. As deep as this draft is at WR, there seems to be a pretty decent gap between Bateman/Marshall/Toney and the next tier.

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undersized speed receivers in this draft. I definitely wouldn't take one until the 3rd. As deep as this draft is at WR, there seems to be a pretty decent gap between Bateman/Marshall/Toney and the next tier.

Honestly after the LSU and 'Bama guys (pending health checks on Waddle), and Toney I think there is a drop off. Even Bateman has concerns about can he separate from DB's at the next level. That puts the Giants in an awkward situation at 11 if Smith and Chase are gone because if you are not confident on Waddle it is still too high for Toney and Marshall may be gone by 42

In comment 15204471 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15204458 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: That injury should not affect his straight line speed. That kid got on the field and played when he should have sat. I want guys like that. Moore is a large upgrade to SS who I want to move away from next concussion will be his last NFL game. Moore is dynamic and he helps specials. If I go D in the and round it would have to be a proven pass rusher. I appreciate the respectful debate. We just disagree and I am cool with that. The question I have is why reach for Moore in Round 2 when you can get someone like Jaelon Darden late on Day 3?

I think Moore is great, short but by no means slight. Football player. Explosive, I think he will be great in the slot. Production was off the charts. When production and athleticism converge you have the makings of greatness. I will try to get more familiar with Darden.

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In comment 15204482 Lionhart28 said: Quote: undersized speed receivers in this draft. I definitely wouldn't take one until the 3rd. As deep as this draft is at WR, there seems to be a pretty decent gap between Bateman/Marshall/Toney and the next tier. Honestly after the LSU and 'Bama guys (pending health checks on Waddle), and Toney I think there is a drop off. Even Bateman has concerns about can he separate from DB's at the next level. That puts the Giants in an awkward situation at 11 if Smith and Chase are gone because if you are not confident on Waddle it is still too high for Toney and Marshall may be gone by 42

Toney has some questions too, tbh, not as an athlete but as a wide receiver. Sort of the opposite of Bateman.

Can track the ball, high points for short guy, not little. Short area quickness is plus plus. Lethal with the ball in his hands. I see Tyreek Hill.
Moore highlights - ( New Window )

Taking a linebacker there. Miserable. Thankfully it’s a mock

I feel old....


Has a chance to make an immediate impact for the Jags defense that has holes every where.

forward to Samuel having a career of "easy" INT's dropped that are a couple feet above his head.

Both Asante Samuel Jr & Aaron Robinson go back to back. Run on corners.

... by passing on Darrisaw and Vera-Tucker at #13. Now we're painted into a corner, and make the obvious, boring pick of OG Wyatt Davis at #47. Would have preferred a player with more flexibility to kick outside in the future, as we still have a hole at LT and Bulaga at RT is a career-ending injury waiting to happen. But we also needed a plug-and-play guard to challenge low-end UFA Oday Aboushi. Looks like the Chargers will continue dumpster-diving for a left tackle.

Landon Dickerson is the standout IOL talent, but LAC can't gamble on the medicals. Anyway, his ability to play center doesn't matter much with Linsley getting the big contract. Creed Humphrey was off our board for the same reason.

..need a few

draft with Justin Herbert, Justin Jefferson, and Cam Akers to name a few... they are back to working on our lines with two players that are probably the best in the draft... DL Barmore and now the best Center in the draft Creed Humphrey. We also think Humphrey can play guard and should be in the mix early.

but i have your 2nd rder for TY!!

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Loved your pick. He was on my shortlist for 27

Was thrilled to get Trevon Moehrig. Jerimiah has him as the 16th ranked prospect and Brandt at 18. Think he is very likely to go in the first round in the real draft.

Jim Thorpe award winner and at 6'2 202, just a playmaker who started as a special teams ace that just seems to have a nose for the ball. Plus a great athlete tested well despite playing through an injury and the reports saying he was at 80-85%

"Moehrig also reportedly had a 33-inch vertical and a 4.19-second 20-yard shuttle. The 40-yard time included a 10-yard split of 1.59 seconds and a 20-yard split of 2.57 seconds.

The target test results for safeties, according to Hall of Fame executive Gil Brandt, is a 4.6-second 40-yard dash with a 1.65-second 10-yard split and a 2.60-second 20-yard split. The target result for the vertical jump is 36 inches and the 20-yard shuttle is 4.05 seconds."

A cool chart from Brandt on desirable times by position



Trevon Moerig plus Gil Brandt info - ( New Window )

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but i have your 2nd rder for TY!!

TY is going to blow up this year! hahaha

That's a shame. I was looking for a Michael Strahan-esque edge.

33. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Terrace Marshall Jr., WR, LSU
34. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
35. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU
36. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Hou) - Najee Harris, RB, Alabama
37. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia
38. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Samuel Cosmi, OT, Texas
39. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Alex Leatherwood, IOL/OT, Alabama
40. Denver (jlukes) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State
41. Detroit (superspynyg) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota
42. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Jamin Davis, LB, Kentucky
43. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia
44. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Levi Onwuzurike, IDL, Washington
45. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from Min) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State
46. New England (Sean) - Aaron Robinson, CB, UCF
47. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Wyatt Davis, IOL, Ohio State
48. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Creed Humphrey, IOL, Oklahoma
49. Arizona (DCPollaro) - Carlos Basham Jr., EDGE, Wake Forest
50. Miami (Optimus-NY) - On the clock
51. Washington (SirYesSir)
52. Chicago (Anakim)
53. Tennessee (TommytheElephant)
54. Indianapolis (Go Terps)
55. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce)
56. Seattle (sjnyfan)
57. LA Rams (JayBinQueens)
58. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
59. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
60. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22)
61. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
62. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
63. Kansas City (English Alaister)
64. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)

But checking in whenever able... Hope we can keep momentum going!

Got a Center. Dickerson's injury history gave me pause, but the juice is worth the squeeze, as our own illustrious G.M. said about LW. My next pick is #82 overall. Gonna be a while. Gonna need to look at more prospects for when I'm up next. Peace out mongoes. Don't go picking any midgets!

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The Washington Football Team selects: LB Nick Bolton, 6'0", 232 - Purdue

The team with no name picks a linebacker from the wrong school.🤣

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I'm a MADE mongo though. The rest of youz is playin wit pea shootizz....

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Yep... Was hoping Eichenberg would drop

In comment 15205191 Mike in NY said:

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Mongo only pawn in game of life.

Missouri. (it was late...)


Football team has a little remorse...

Looking at how things have gone, would be happier if I went 1)Zaven Collins/Luke Eichenberg rather than Darrisaw/Bolton. But still filled the needs with good players

It looks like he has not been on BBI since 3/29 and his pick is up. Matt is travelling so he can't exactly e-mail blast him.

...shit.

... for a team with an obvious need at OT. The Chargers would have drafted him at #13, but he was late for our Zoom interview, then appeared unprepared. Big red flag there, because the main knock on him seems to be a lack of passion. It didn't help when he started talking about what a great organization the Rams have and addressed Coach Staley as "Coach McVay". There's also the perennial Hokie Trash factor, but that didn't stop us from picking Caleb Farley.

Seriously, though, I'm still kicking myself for not taking him at #13. Justin Herbert is kicking me too.

Firkser is OK, but they really don't have a replacement for Jonnu Smith.

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Firkser is OK, but they really don't have a replacement for Jonnu Smith.

That's a great fit. Carolina could pull the trigger on him in the 2nd as well.

Sorry for the delay.

If so, that person is going to be fired.

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If so, that person is going to be fired.

Lol there are 2 players I'm eyeing. If they're both gone before my pick someone is getting fired here too!

Luckily I was able to get a OG/RT prospect in Jalen Mayfield in round 1 while still getting my #1 RB prospect in round 2. I'm was really sweating that some other team might take Javonte!

seems a very on-brand pick for Pittsburgh

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Luckily I was able to get a OG/RT prospect in Jalen Mayfield in round 1 while still getting my #1 RB prospect in round 2. I'm was really sweating that some other team might take Javonte!

I was going to take him for Arizona but figured id go pass rusher and get rb later..sucks not having a 3rd rd pick coming up too. Nice pick!

sjnyfan's last use is supposedly 3/22 so seeing if he has a recent e-mail as I am not sure the one on the profile is still good

That Williams kid can play. Super value there for a RB.

Only three picks in the entire draft. Yeesh. Next is the 4th. See you guys in a few days.

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Only three picks in the entire draft. Yeesh. Next is the 4th. See you guys in a few days.

HA! I think Daniel Jeremiah tweeted Lockett as a comp for Moore the other day. Would be fun to see Wilson throwing bombs to him.

If he does then I really know that my board has been hacked. It would also send me scrambling because there are not a lot of players that stand out here.

Will end up one of the most productive rookies. I would have picked him for the Giants in the second. I think he has first round talent. Pitts, Chase, Waddle, Smith then Moore for me.

In comment 15205733 Mike in NY said:

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If he does then I really know that my board has been hacked. It would also send me scrambling because there are not a lot of players that stand out here.

It was between Little and a LB for me (for what it's worth)

and they hired Little's O-Line coach from Stanford.

Seems like a great fit for him

In comment 15205733 Mike in NY said:

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If he does then I really know that my board has been hacked. It would also send me scrambling because there are not a lot of players that stand out here.

Speaking of hacking boards, I absolutely HATE you picking before me ;)

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In comment 15205733 Mike in NY said: Quote: If he does then I really know that my board has been hacked. It would also send me scrambling because there are not a lot of players that stand out here. It was between Little and a LB for me (for what it's worth)

Okay, neither were who I am going to select

In comment 15205742 JayBinQueens said:

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and they hired Little's O-Line coach from Stanford. Seems like a great fit for him

Walker Little is one of the most intriguing prospects in this years draft. He was talked about as a potential top 10 pick going into the 2019 college season but then he went down for the season in their first game and then opted out this past year. He is extremely talented but he's played little football over the past two years.

If he is on the board for the Giants in the 3rd round I think he is worth rolling the dice for. His rookie season would basically be a redshirt season but he could compete for a starting spot year two. If he lives up to his potential the Giants would then have the option of moving Peart or Thomas to guard. I am not sure whether or not Peart is a good fit inside but I think that Thomas would be an outstanding guard if the Giants went that route.

Although the Ravens picked up Kevin Zeitler in Free Agency after he was cut by the Giants, he is more of a stopgap. The Ravens haven't truly replaced Marshal Yanda when he retired. Inconsistent play on the interior OL was a big reason why they underperformed. Considering he really did not play organized football for a year prior to Senior Bowl, Meinerz did not look out of place facing the best of the best from much more heralded schools. The draft pool really dries up here. Had Meinerz been selected I was looking at a number of players comparable to what I could get with my next pick as a 3rd Round compensatory selection.

In comment 15205760 Mike in NY said:

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Although the Ravens picked up Kevin Zeitler in Free Agency after he was cut by the Giants, he is more of a stopgap. The Ravens haven't truly replaced Marshal Yanda when he retired. Inconsistent play on the interior OL was a big reason why they underperformed. Considering he really did not play organized football for a year prior to Senior Bowl, Meinerz did not look out of place facing the best of the best from much more heralded schools. The draft pool really dries up here. Had Meinerz been selected I was looking at a number of players comparable to what I could get with my next pick as a 3rd Round compensatory selection.

I was thinking about him! Thought there was a chance he'd last to the 3rd. silly me

Browns had a ton of injuries in the secondary last year and need to improve on a terrible pass defense.

We added to the pass rush in round one with Joe Tryon and in round two we added a bonafide playmaker to the secondary in Safety Richie Grant.

The Browns want to use 3 safeties in their base defense and Grant Delpit missed his entire rookie year with a torn ACL. This gives us some flexibility and a really nasty 3-safety look with Delpit, Johnson III and Grant. I took Antoine Winfield Jr. in round 2 last year and this kid has a similar game, imo. Great production, ball skills and physicality. Watch his highlights, they're awesome.

So when I was picking at number 44, I had 3 players to choose from:
Levi Onwuzurike,Richie Grant and Carlos Basham.
I chose Onwuzurike as the BPA for a big need on the Cowboys DL in a DT class that is very weak outside of Barmore and Onwuzurike.
The Cowboys are very interested in Richie Grant and will probably take him at 44 in the second round as they signed Neal and Kazee to 1 year deals in FA.
I was hoping that he would last to pick number 75 in the third round.

Good pick Lionheart.

Moehrig, Basham, Onwuzurike

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So when I was picking at number 44, I had 3 players to choose from: Levi Onwuzurike,Richie Grant and Carlos Basham. I chose Onwuzurike as the BPA for a big need on the Cowboys DL in a DT class that is very weak outside of Barmore and Onwuzurike. The Cowboys are very interested in Richie Grant and will probably take him at 44 in the second round as they signed Neal and Kazee to 1 year deals in FA. I was hoping that he would last to pick number 75 in the third round. Good pick Lionheart.

I would hate to see him on the Cowboys! Love his game though.

The guy was amazing on the football field, but I questioned whether he had NFL speed for CB. If not where do I play him? So talented though and was rough on the Pac-12 WRs

Pickins will be slim by the time I get to pick

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The guy was amazing on the football field, but I questioned whether he had NFL speed for CB. If not where do I play him? So talented though and was rough on the Pac-12 WRs

Me too. That dude can flat out play and is, by all accounts, a high character individual. The only thing that was concerning about his Pro Day was arm length. His speed was borderline for his position and if he is in a division with more smaller guys I would be okay with him. You wouldn't want him against Chase Claypool, but you can play him against Diontae Johnson or JuJu Smith-Schuster

And at a high level

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And at a high level

Really nice Round 2-5 Safety class this year. Some really nice prospects. I would think about taking one if I were NYG, especially if they can get some more picks via trade down/dumping Engram.

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and they hired Little's O-Line coach from Stanford. Seems like a great fit for him

I wonder what their relationship is like. Carberry inherited Little at OLT when he joined the staff in 2018. The Cardinal finished that season with momentum and a four-game winning streak, but Little hurt his knee in the 2019 opener and Stanford lost 8 of their last 11 games without him. Then Little opted out in 2020 and Stanford lost to Oregon and Colorado when play resumed.

The staff may have been sympathetic and supportive... or not. Carberry may have faith in Little's love of the game and commitment to making the most of his gridiron talent after playing just a handful of snaps since 2018... or not. Most football coaches are not renowned as humanitarians.

FWIW, the Chargers looked hard at Walker Little ten picks earlier. Temptingly high ceiling, but too big a gamble at #47 for a team with multiple OL holes.

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In comment 15205817 Amtoft said: Quote: The guy was amazing on the football field, but I questioned whether he had NFL speed for CB. If not where do I play him? So talented though and was rough on the Pac-12 WRs Me too. That dude can flat out play and is, by all accounts, a high character individual. The only thing that was concerning about his Pro Day was arm length. His speed was borderline for his position and if he is in a division with more smaller guys I would be okay with him. You wouldn't want him against Chase Claypool, but you can play him against Diontae Johnson or JuJu Smith-Schuster

Yes but his 40 wasn't combine time making it even worse... you have to add time to it. Plus pretty sure he is under 200 lbs so small for a safety. I don't know if you ask me if I think he will be good I say yes because he can play, but speed for CB does matter and size for Safety does matter. Good player though tough call on when to pull the trigger.

If Chase, Waddle, or Devonte Smith are available at 11 you take them over Slater. At the time of the pick to me Slater is a huge upgrade over what we have, but there is a lot of good IOL in the second round. WRs fell much more than OL fell from Slater. You take one of the top 3 WRs and our WR sitch is from one of the worst to one top half in the leagues.

moving again!

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moving again!

Someone find doubledeuce

I will send a flare none the less.

will be selected in the real NFL draft in the first round.It is a passing league now.
Chase,Waddle,Smith,Toney,Marshall and Bateman.

Not advocating anything. Just sayin’.

He was the #1 rated Safety before taking the year off. I just wish I could of see his pro day... see his official height, weight, speed, etc. I almost drafted him.

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He was the #1 rated Safety before taking the year off. I just wish I could of see his pro day... see his official height, weight, speed, etc. I almost drafted him.

I like him too. I went back and forth between he an Grant. A bunch of these pro days are a week too late.

...outside of Moehrig.

Round 2
33. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Terrace Marshall Jr., WR, LSU
34. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
35. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU
36. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Hou) - Najee Harris, RB, Alabama
37. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia
38. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Samuel Cosmi, OT, Texas
39. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Alex Leatherwood, IOL/OT, Alabama
40. Denver (jlukes) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State
41. Detroit (superspynyg) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota
42. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Jamin Davis, LB, Kentucky
43. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia
44. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Levi Onwuzurike, IDL, Washington
45. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from Min) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State
46. New England (Sean) - Aaron Robinson, CB, UCF
47. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Wyatt Davis, IOL, Ohio State
48. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Creed Humphrey, IOL, Oklahoma
49. Arizona (DCPollaro) - Carlos Basham Jr., EDGE, Wake Forest
50. Miami (Optimus-NY) - Landon Dickerson, IOL, Alabama
51. Washington (SirYesSir) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri
52. Chicago (Anakim) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame
53. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State
54. Indianapolis (Go Terps) - Elijah Molden, CB/S, Washington
55. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina
56. Seattle (sjnyfan) - Elijah Moore, WR, Mississippi
57. LA Rams (JayBinQueens) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford
58. Baltimore (Mike in NY) - Quinn Meinerz, IOL, Wisconsin-Whitewater
59. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - Richie Grant, S, UCF
60. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon
61. Buffalo (Uconngiant) - On the clock
62. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
63. Kansas City (English Alaister)
64. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)

Round 3
65. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT)
66. New York Jets (Jon in NYC)
67. Houston (Boatie Warrant)
68. Atlanta (NoGainDayne)
69. Cincinnati (Matt G)
70. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly)
71. Denver (jlukes)
72. Detroit (superspynyg)
73. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte)
74. Washington (SirYesSir) (from S.F.)
75. Dallas (Rick in Dallas)
76. New York Giants (MadPlaid)
77. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger)
78. Minnesota (johnnyb)
79. Las Vegas (Amtoft) (from Ari)
80. Las Vegas (Amtoft)
81. Miami (Optimus-NY)
82. Washington (SirYesSir)
83. Chicago (Anakim)
84. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) (from Ind)
85. Tennessee (TommytheElephant)
86. NY Jets (Jon in NYC) (from Sea)
87. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce)
88. LA Rams (JayBinQueens)
89. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
90. Minnesota (johnnyb) (from Bal)
91. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (from N.O.)
92. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
93. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
94. Kansas City (English Alaister)
95. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
96. New England (Sean) (comp)
97. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) (comp)
98. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) (comp)
99. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) (comp)
100. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) (comp)
101. Detroit (superspynyg) (from LAR) (comp)
102. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (comp)
103. LA Rams (JayBinQueens) (comp)
104. Baltimore (Mike in NY) (comp)
105. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) (comp)

Hopefully we can regain some momentum

If anyone falls out and you're still interested in stepping in, please send me your email

uconngiant was on the site last night at 2:18am. He couldn't do us a solid and make a selection?

Work has been super busy this year. Leaving me not much time to pop in and say hello.

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uconngiant was on the site last night at 2:18am. He couldn't do us a solid and make a selection?

Yup, last two picks have ground us to a halt.

Anyway, the 2 hour clock starts Monday.

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Anyway, the 2 hour clock starts Monday.

The poster was active on BBI after he got on the clock. If you are going to be away it is not difficult to send a board to Matt via e-mail. I have done it in prior years. If Matt thinks he will be out he will then forward to someone who will be around.

and got skipped immediately lol...

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and got skipped immediately lol...

We are technically not on the clock until this coming Monday

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In comment 15206683 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: Anyway, the 2 hour clock starts Monday. The poster was active on BBI after he got on the clock. If you are going to be away it is not difficult to send a board to Matt via e-mail. I have done it in prior years. If Matt thinks he will be out he will then forward to someone who will be around.

It's really just about consideration for the other 31 participants as well as those who've expressed an interest in participating but are on the waitlist. Life happens, totally get it. Care less about the occasional one-offs and more about needing to chase a few down beyond the "friendly reminder" emails that I send to everyone.

Bingo. If you made a commitment to something, take it seriously even it is meant to be fun. Yes, the timer isn't in place yet, but still have a little self-awareness and think of someone other than yourself. Is that really that hard?

Now excuse me while I place another humorous gif in his call out thread.

Chatarius Atwell WR Louisville

I was ready but Buffalo pick takes a lot of time to get in

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I was ready but Buffalo pick takes a lot of time to get in

Nice pick. Inconsistent as all heck though which is why I was hoping he'd fall to my next pick (compensatory 3rd Rounder)

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ditto

Considered him at 47, but had to play it safe with Wyatt Davis because our OL is such a mess. Carman might move inside, but we saw him as an eventual successor to Bulaga at RT. Honestly, he looked fine to us at LT against some pretty good EDGE guys. Carman was the last lineman on that tier for us, so it looks like Trey Pipkins won't face much competition from the rookie class.

Maybe if I post about him that will make him pick and we can wait for Kevin

Delighted with landing Carman. Value and need came together nicely. We see him as a versatile player with the potential to be a capable LT with elite power or a plus RT. We had to go Toney early when he was there but we desperately needed quality on the OL. Carman adds that.

In comment 15207267 Mike in NY said:

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Maybe if I post about him that will make him pick and we can wait for Kevin

I’ve been emailing as well

Hopefully, Jay will see it.

I was checking in earlier and I stopped around 3:00 because I didn't think that it would get to my pick today.

Dynami Brown but once again the player goes right before me.

I really want the Giants to select him in the 3rd but he will go earlier - dynamic playmaker with very good hands

no worries. The callout threads are fun to make.

I think Chazz Surrat is a good selection. Solid LB prospect.

is interesting. One of the best HS QB's in NC history, was really bad at QB for UNC and then looks very good at LB. He is a little undersized, but the Panthers were going to take him in the 3rd if was still available.

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no worries. The callout threads are fun to make. I think Chazz Surrat is a good selection. Solid LB prospect.

Thanks, this is the second time a call out thread was required to get my attention so I am sure more than a few posters are annoyed and I don't blame them. I'll do my best to pay closer attention for the rest of the draft.

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is interesting. One of the best HS QB's in NC history, was really bad at QB for UNC and then looks very good at LB. He is a little undersized, but the Panthers were going to take him in the 3rd if was still available.

This kid is very impressive and he is strong in all areas. I would love to see how Patrick Graham would utilize his skill set. He would be an awesome compliment to Blake Martinez inside.

with Trey Smith still on the board but Tampa has a solid guard duo so that was more of a luxury. Tampa's LB corps is now extremely deep with Jayson Oweh and Chazz Surratt entering the mix. JPP and Lavone David are both getting older so these two should be their eventual replacements.

Round 2
33. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Terrace Marshall Jr., WR, LSU
34. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
35. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU
36. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Hou) - Najee Harris, RB, Alabama
37. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia
38. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Samuel Cosmi, OT, Texas
39. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Alex Leatherwood, IOL/OT, Alabama
40. Denver (jlukes) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State
41. Detroit (superspynyg) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota
42. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Jamin Davis, LB, Kentucky
43. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia
44. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Levi Onwuzurike, IDL, Washington
45. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from Min) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State
46. New England (Sean) - Aaron Robinson, CB, UCF
47. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Wyatt Davis, IOL, Ohio State
48. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Creed Humphrey, IOL, Oklahoma
49. Arizona (DCPollaro) - Carlos Basham Jr., EDGE, Wake Forest
50. Miami (Optimus-NY) - Landon Dickerson, IOL, Alabama
51. Washington (SirYesSir) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri
52. Chicago (Anakim) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame
53. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State
54. Indianapolis (Go Terps) - Elijah Molden, CB/S, Washington
55. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina
56. Seattle (sjnyfan) - Elijah Moore, WR, Mississippi
57. LA Rams (JayBinQueens) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford
58. Baltimore (Mike in NY) - Quinn Meinerz, IOL, Wisconsin-Whitewater
59. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - Richie Grant, S, UCF
60. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon
61. Buffalo (Uconngiant) - Chatarius Atwell, WR, Louisville
62. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina
63. Kansas City (English Alaister) - Jackson Carman, IOL/OT, Clemson
64. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island) - Chazz Surratt, LB, North Carolina

Round 3
65. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - On the clock
66. New York Jets (Jon in NYC)
67. Houston (Boatie Warrant)
68. Atlanta (NoGainDayne)
69. Cincinnati (Matt G)
70. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly)
71. Denver (jlukes)
72. Detroit (superspynyg)
73. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte)
74. Washington (SirYesSir) (from S.F.)
75. Dallas (Rick in Dallas)
76. New York Giants (MadPlaid)
77. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger)
78. Minnesota (johnnyb)
79. Las Vegas (Amtoft) (from Ari)
80. Las Vegas (Amtoft)
81. Miami (Optimus-NY)
82. Washington (SirYesSir)
83. Chicago (Anakim)
84. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) (from Ind)
85. Tennessee (TommytheElephant)
86. NY Jets (Jon in NYC) (from Sea)
87. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce)
88. LA Rams (JayBinQueens)
89. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
90. Minnesota (johnnyb) (from Bal)
91. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (from N.O.)
92. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
93. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
94. Kansas City (English Alaister)
95. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
96. New England (Sean) (comp)
97. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) (comp)
98. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) (comp)
99. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) (comp)
100. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) (comp)
101. Detroit (superspynyg) (from LAR) (comp)
102. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (comp)
103. LA Rams (JayBinQueens) (comp)
104. Baltimore (Mike in NY) (comp)
105. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) (comp)

Would love for the Giants to land him in the real draft.

This guy has all the tools to be dominant at the next level. 6'6" 270. Was asked to play multiple positions at Houston and excelled. A brief YouTube video of this guy linked below of some highlights is impressive.
Payton Turner - ( New Window )

... maybe we can get the average elapsed time per pick down below thirteen hours this round. 😡

emailed me last night that he will be on it... Emailed him again this am

In comment 15208045 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... maybe we can get the average elapsed time per pick down below thirteen hours this round. 😡

It is Easter Weekend for crying out loud. Not to mention we have multiple representatives who do not live in the United States. If they end up on the clock in the middle of the night their time they can’t be expected to be following BBI. That is why we use 9-5 Eastern when we officially go on the clock Monday (with the two hour maximum per pick it means that as soon as it hits 3 PM Eastern they can safely go to bed).

:)

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:)

I knew it looked wrong but I couldn’t put my finger on where my typo was so just went with it.

ATL shouldn't be too far behind... My pick is ready to go... Assuming it's not taken :p

I expect Kevin can take it. And if he can’t, he shouldn’t have taken 7-13 hours to get every single one of his five picks in. 😉

The Samuel pick only took three hours.

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The Samuel pick only took three hours.

And with the Trevor Lawrence pick Matt had emailed that the thread would be posted Monday morning. Things worked out and he posted Sunday night. Kevin picked before 9 AM Monday so can’t fault him for that.

We wanted Jackson Carman but Nixon is a nice consolation prize especially this late in the draft. We think we can rotate Nixon in at DE and DT in his rookie year.

Had 3 or 4 others that we considered especially with our franchise issues. Maybe one of them drops to our next pick but probably not.

Daviyon Nixon, not Davison. Might lead to him getting picked again if somebody searches the selection thread without checking the spreadsheet. Nice pick, anyway. Ditto Cox to the Jets.

I even reviewed it be for posting.

day and I see Matt's emails. I know the official clock hasn't started until Monday. I mean, I could have waited until then to make my first pick. :)

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was doing in the 445 block of the mock draft cells. I’ve seen him projected as high as the 1st round.

Big press corner that tested extremely well at his pro day. Ran a 4.48 40-yard dash (that some scouts timed in the low 4.4’s) measured with a wingspan of 78.5 inches and had a vertical jump of 41.5 inches.

In 20 games in the last two seasons he recorded 17 pass breakups and 3 INTs. Atlanta revamps their secondary with him and Trevon Moehrig and with Pitts make quite the trio of size and athleticism.

eyeing Cisco with their next pick. As soon as I saw Sy's first report, I knew that was no longer happening. sigh.

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Thought the exact same... But I had Andre Cisco followed by Dyami Brown at the top of my board since Pat Freiermuth was picked

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In comment 15208250 SirYesSir said: Quote: eyeing Cisco with their next pick. As soon as I saw Sy's first report, I knew that was no longer happening. sigh. Thought the exact same... But I had Andre Cisco followed by Dyami Brown at the top of my board since Pat Freiermuth was picked

I can see why. Personally, outside of Moehrig (who I was debating with Creed Humphrey for the Ravens pick that ended up being Zaven Collins) I moved the S's down my list because of the large number of Day 3 names that I felt could make an impact. Why take someone like Holland, Grant, or Cisco at 58 when the dropoff on interior OL after Meinerz (since I am not privy to the medical records of Smith and Myers) is more pronounced.

boundaries of the field with two burners, we return to the front lines. We had our fingers crossed that Jackson Carman would slip just a bit further but we are happy to add to our pass rushing platoon with Patrick Jones II. He needs some refinement, but the tools are all there and ready to be molded into shape. We have three guys so far that we think can play week one, and our special teams have received a big lift.

Would have liked to add Cisco but that ship sailed...

Hoping at least one of a few guys will slip to my next pick, but really wanted to add Wallace. Really good at several things

Joseph joins the young CB group for the Cowboys. Joseph has all the tools to be a terrific CB who ran a 4.35 forty.
He has some maturity issues which probably drop him a bit in the draft but he is the real deal.

Cowboys continue to rebuild their back 4 in a strong CB class.

Would have been a nice complement to our two big-name receivers, and insurance against Mike Williams leaving in 2022. Oh well - time to revisit other needs.

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I agree. Davis + Collins is much better than WR in Round 2 + BPA here

that for every round so far in this mock draft, the primary player I was targeting was selected right before my turn. This time it was Tylan Wallace. Its like Murphy's Law is out to get me.

Fortunately, in this case, I had a very good alternative in Nico Collins. It was between him and a DLineman I have my eye on, but I chose to go with the big wideout from Michigan. He recently had a very nice pro day where he timed pretty well in the 40, and the 3 cone drill. At 6'4" and 215 lbs, this guy is going to be a beast. It will be nice to have big WRs again who can block down field.

I hope the collective approves of this selection.

Cheers

Mike, you really think so? I appreciate that. I hope I made the right move with Davis. He is a one year wonder who worked out really well. Those guys look great on paper, but when it gets real, it has happened that they fade away. Although, technically, Davis did show a lot when the games were played.

Thegratefulhead really was pushing for his guy, Moore. But, I saw the same thing you did, a slot receiver. Imho, this year, an outside receiver is of more value to the Giants.

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Mike, you really think so? I appreciate that. I hope I made the right move with Davis. He is a one year wonder who worked out really well. Those guys look great on paper, but when it gets real, it has happened that they fade away. Although, technically, Davis did show a lot when the games were played. Thegratefulhead really was pushing for his guy, Moore. But, I saw the same thing you did, a slot receiver. Imho, this year, an outside receiver is of more value to the Giants.

I do. Outside of the projected top tier there are 3 second tier guys, but beyond that I think you will see WR late who would be 4th Rounders or higher in past years. After Marshall and Bateman went, my feeling was if one is clearly BPA I will take one, but if I have multiple options I will bypass WR. That being said I can’t argue with Collins here. What is keeping him out of the first two rounds is consistency. Talent wise he is a definite steal.

and the selection of vera- Tucker in the first round addressed a glaring weakness on the team. Now, some focus has to be shifted the defensive side of the ball. Browning brings athleticism to the front seven of the Viking's defense and will help in both coverage and rushing the passer.

I was close to making my pick and then a knock on the door was a neighbor with a bottle of wine. Sorry for the delay and excuse any typos!!

Happy Easter to all those who celebrate!!

In the 3rd would be legit

In comment 15208558 MadPlaid said:

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Mike, you really think so? I appreciate that. I hope I made the right move with Davis. He is a one year wonder who worked out really well. Those guys look great on paper, but when it gets real, it has happened that they fade away. Although, technically, Davis did show a lot when the games were played. Thegratefulhead really was pushing for his guy, Moore. But, I saw the same thing you did, a slot receiver. Imho, this year, an outside receiver is of more value to the Giants.

we need a slot. Moores production if off the off the charts.Moore much better prospect but I like Nico.

If we go D in the second I want an ER. Davis wouldn't start. I like the first and 3rd picks though. I would prefer Waddle at one but Slater is a very good player so no whining.

I bet Moore ends up a much more productive rookie than Davis or Collins. Just like his skill set. You can use Moore like Tyreek Hill.

Examining my options. Someone is there who I didn't expect to necessarily be there now that I'm very intrigued by.

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Examining my options. Someone is there who I didn't expect to necessarily be there now that I'm very intrigued by.

I know the feeling. There is one player I have very clearly at the top of my board and if he fell to 104 I am wondering if I would have the gumption to make that move

... of the Chargers’ Costa Mesa training facility, then on to college at USC. His dad was a local hero, as Mr. Universe out of Compton, and his brother added football to the bloodline, starring in Anaheim and then at Notre Dame. Amon-Ra was the sentimental choice at #77, especially after LAC passed on Trojan Vera-Tucker (who isn’t from the area) at #13. The fans were screaming for St. Brown on social media, but our priority was sealing the leaky A and B gaps in front of Herbert. Hence the cluster draft, with the top two true guards on our board. The fan consensus on Twitter: “Another f*cking guard? Telesco signed two, and drafted two more on Day Two. Can he trade two or three of them for a left tackle?” The way we see it, Aboushi is a one-year stopgap, and Feiler’s best position is tackle. We’re rebuilding the line around Corey Linsley. He’ll make sure we get the most from the young studs next to him. If the fans don’t like it, they can go root for the Rams.

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In comment 15208834 Optimus-NY said: Quote: Examining my options. Someone is there who I didn't expect to necessarily be there now that I'm very intrigued by. I know the feeling. There is one player I have very clearly at the top of my board and if he fell to 104 I am wondering if I would have the gumption to make that move

I mongoe dupp and picked my guy Mike...

Youz can say I took da plunge!

Anakim on the clock


Needed another tight end behind Logan Ryan to use and develop, very thin after the starter.

Long's highlights are so boring...nearly every catch comes from a play-action, he's not super-athletic, but he catches everything and is always in the right spot. I think getting into an NFL training program could make him a little more dynamic...we'll see.

Thankfully not really a need for the Ravens

3rd rounder that we received in the Wentz deal, we are willing to take a chance that Hamsah Nasirildeen will be able to fully recover from the ACL injury that ended his season and return to being a top flight safety. We think we are getting a player who would have been drafted much higher than this if not for that injury. If nothing else, we get a high character guy with size that can contribute on specials as he rounds into shape.

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Chargers eventually need to replace Hunter Henry, and were hoping Long or Jordan would last until the comp picks. Oh well... every team has a plan until they get punched in the face. Jared Cook will just have to continue defying the ravages of time.

I've been taking the BPAs and they happen to be positions of need...And I've also gotten two Miami players out of it.

Tommy is up, but after that we have a number of people who pick quickly. Keep in mind tomorrow we officially go on the clock which, for newcomers, is 2 hours and is effective from 9 AM - 6 PM Monday to Friday. So a pick made after 4 PM on a weekday will have up until 6 PM and then the balance of the 2 hour window the next weekday. That being said, it is nice not to use your entire clock.

65. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Payton Turner, EDGE, Houston
66. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Jabril Cox, LB, LSU
67. Houston (Boatie Warrant) - Daviyon Nixon, IDL, Iowa
68. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse
69. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
70. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) - Patrick Jones, EDGE, Pittsburgh
71. Denver (jlukes) - Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama
72. Detroit (superspynyg) - Kyle Trask, QB, Florida
73. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Tommy Tremble, TE, Notre Dame
74. Washington (SirYesSir) (from S.F.) - Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State
75. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Kelvin Joseph, CB, Kentucky
76. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Nico Collins, WR, Michigan
77. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Trey Smith, IOL, Tennessee
78. Minnesota (johnnyb) - Baron Browning, LB, Ohio State
79. Las Vegas (Amtoft) (from Ari) - Kary Vincent, CB/S, LSU
80. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC
81. Miami (Optimus-NY) - Rashad Weaver, EDGE, Pittsburgh
82. Washington (SirYesSir) - Hunter Long, TE, Boston College
83. Chicago (Anakim) - Brevin Jordan, TE, Miami
84. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) (from Ind) - Hamsah Nasirildeen, S, Florida State
85. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) - On the clock
86. NY Jets (Jon in NYC) (from Sea)
87. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce)
88. LA Rams (JayBinQueens)
89. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
90. Minnesota (johnnyb) (from Bal)
91. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (from N.O.)
92. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
93. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
94. Kansas City (English Alaister)
95. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
96. New England (Sean) (comp)
97. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) (comp)
98. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) (comp)
99. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) (comp)
100. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) (comp)
101. Detroit (superspynyg) (from LAR) (comp)
102. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (comp)
103. LA Rams (JayBinQueens) (comp)
104. Baltimore (Mike in NY) (comp)
105. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) (comp)

Will be checking in as much as possible throughout the day

Hopefully we can keep things moving

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Will be checking in as much as possible throughout the day Hopefully we can keep things moving

Matt maybe send an email blast so Tommy knows he is up and that clock starts tomorrow 9 AM

twice

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No problem. Safe travels.

But Tommy made his pick

wanted Wade.


C'mon Pittsburgh!!

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He's a weird case. Terrible senior year, but came into the year as a likely first rounder. That's the kind of guy I'd be willing to take a chance on with a supplemental third. Probably has a floor as a good nickelback.

Great work and nice to see the tradition of the BBI mock draft actually nailing the OL for the Giants continues.

Andy checking in.

This is all I see this year when the Giants are picking:

McNeil is a big talent and can learn the craft from the best

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Nice pick. McNeil was on my short list for pick 104. Not so much as a major need, but as one of the BPA. There is still one player that is available who I have a 2nd Round grade on and I am quite surprised is still here at this point. We'll see if he continues to fall.

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Great work and nice to see the tradition of the BBI mock draft actually nailing the OL for the Giants continues.

Thank you, Andy. When the 1st round fell like it did, I chose to pull a "you," and go with the likely unpopular, but long-term best choice pick. Good OL's win. Funny how people don't appreciate how critical a solid offensive line is to success.

Nico wasn't my first choice, but the more a read about him as I was make the selection, the more I thought he was a really good option. Nico is my favorite pick so far.

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Andy checking in. This is all I see this year when the Giants are picking:

LOL. Yup, that about sums it up. However, there have been those who have supported my choices so far. Its been a good mix.

Just sent you an email regarding pick #91... CLE should be here soon but just in case

Thanks again Matt

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Damn, was hoping he'd drop to my comp pick

He was our Jeff Hatch / James Brewer pick: The last guy on our board who kind of looks like an NFL left tackle if you squint hard and hope for the best.

First name on the list is an OT and I don't see any reason to bypass but will leave that up to the consensus here

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First name on the list is an OT and I don't see any reason to bypass but will leave that up to the consensus here

Sounds good to me.

uconngiant has so far been entering his selections in the discussion thread, and then someone enters it in the selection thread on his behalf. We will need to keep a lookout where he enters it, if he does at all.

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In comment 15209877 Mike in NY said: Quote: First name on the list is an OT and I don't see any reason to bypass but will leave that up to the consensus here Sounds good to me. uconngiant has so far been entering his selections in the discussion thread, and then someone enters it in the selection thread on his behalf. We will need to keep a lookout where he enters it, if he does at all.

I am about to step out for a work appointment so can you take care of call out thread and keeping an eye on this since Matt is in transit?

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In comment 15209882 MadPlaid said: Quote: In comment 15209877 Mike in NY said: Quote: First name on the list is an OT and I don't see any reason to bypass but will leave that up to the consensus here Sounds good to me. uconngiant has so far been entering his selections in the discussion thread, and then someone enters it in the selection thread on his behalf. We will need to keep a lookout where he enters it, if he does at all. I am about to step out for a work appointment so can you take care of call out thread and keeping an eye on this since Matt is in transit?

Okay. Cheers

Email me

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Should we wait for someone to volunteer, or shall we make the autopick?

First autopick of the 2021 mock draft. Considering who, not surprising.

Hopefully, English Alaister is on the site, and we can get this moving again.

Best

I think his stock as been dropping because there isn't a good answer on the domestic violence arrest or his subsequent transfer.

BUF (UConn) might require a swap

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EA picked so we are moving along. Safe travels.

Should be back in Ann Arbor this evening and will update the google sheet and threads

I didn't expect us to get from 74 to 77 so quickly, so I went off-line to do dinner prep.

Milt Williams put up crazy numbers at his pro day for a guy carrying 280 pounds. He's a bit of a 'tweener. We're OK with that. The new staff seems to be in tinkering mode, so there was no point fixating on standard DL roles. For now, he's a 5-tech. In four-man fronts, he'll move inside.

Williams has bounced around on the GBN Board. I've seen him as high as 50, then I guess he fell before Matt created the BBI Board. He's back up to 64, where I think he was the highest-ranked player available when we picked him.

Definitely an ascending talent...

Anyway, sorry about the 30-minute lag.

Appreciate you being on top of your picks

my phone is broke. Can you email me at kendrajbell@yahoo.com I need to send you my picks for the 102...thanks

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now off the board. Would have like one of the two tackles but a guard is a need as well.

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now off the board. Would have like one of the two tackles but a guard is a need as well.

You are a little early. Dallas and Tennessee need to pick first.

Jerry needs to add some depth to the OL chooses Aaron Banks from Notre Dame.

player graded 84 by Sy in the 2nd round in Moehrig.

Then a player graded 80 in the 3rd round in Melifonwu

... for kicking the Lions in the nuts by taking their guy, after they tried to jump the queue.

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... for kicking the Lions in the nuts by taking their guy, after they tried to jump the queue.

lol you knew it was coming

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I've got pictures!

I liked him and Ben Cleveland as the Cowboys needed to address depth on the OL after taking 3 defensive players with their first 3 picks.

Too many mid-90s flash backs to their old mauling OL... He’s a throwback

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I looked hard at Melifonwu, Adebo and St-Juste in Round 2 and just gambled that 1 would be available in 3. All long and athletic, will be interesting to see how they pan out.

Will take some time for my pick as I have to decide between the player who has been at the top of my board for approximately 40 picks but doesn’t fill an immediate need or the next man up who fills a more immediate need but is significantly lower on my board.

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Will take some time for my pick as I have to decide between the player who has been at the top of my board for approximately 40 picks but doesn’t fill an immediate need or the next man up who fills a more immediate need but is significantly lower on my board.

Mike, take the top guy. Worry later where he will fit.

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Will take some time for my pick as I have to decide between the player who has been at the top of my board for approximately 40 picks but doesn’t fill an immediate need or the next man up who fills a more immediate need but is significantly lower on my board.

Late 3rd round take your best player on your board.

I took your advice. Will be interesting to see if my next option falls to me at 131.

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I took your advice. Will be interesting to see if my next option falls to me at 131.

Oh man except a QB that doesn't fit your offense at all hahaha!

I love the pick of Miles Davis. He is better than Trask and honestly better than Mac Jones. His pro day workout in a driving rain storm was sensational. He throws all the NFL routes and has a beautiful deep ball. Very athletic and the ball comes out of his hand quickly.
I would have picked him with my next Cowboy pick in the 4th round.
Well done Mike.

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I love the pick of Miles Davis. He is better than Trask and honestly better than Mac Jones. His pro day workout in a driving rain storm was sensational. He throws all the NFL routes and has a beautiful deep ball. Very athletic and the ball comes out of his hand quickly. I would have picked him with my next Cowboy pick in the 4th round. Well done Mike.

Better than Mac Jones? He has 13 career starts and never more than 8 in a season. I don't think he is in that league. Worth a flyer in the 4th though or late 3rd in this case.

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I love the pick of Miles Davis. He is better than Trask and honestly better than Mac Jones. His pro day workout in a driving rain storm was sensational. He throws all the NFL routes and has a beautiful deep ball. Very athletic and the ball comes out of his hand quickly. I would have picked him with my next Cowboy pick in the 4th round. Well done Mike.

Had you taken him over Banks it would have made my choice easier. Amtoft is just angry that I used a photo versus Cal! In all seriousness I think Roman can make an O work around Mills. I really like his play action game and that Pro Day was great. Jackson has not started 16 games in a season and the depth is currently Trace McSorley and Tyler Huntley. I also want insurance because I am still not convinced that Lamar Jackson is the player who can take the Ravens to a Lombardi. Great regular season numbers, but so did Colin Kaepernick.

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In comment 15210503 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: I love the pick of Miles Davis. He is better than Trask and honestly better than Mac Jones. His pro day workout in a driving rain storm was sensational. He throws all the NFL routes and has a beautiful deep ball. Very athletic and the ball comes out of his hand quickly. I would have picked him with my next Cowboy pick in the 4th round. Well done Mike. Had you taken him over Banks it would have made my choice easier. Amtoft is just angry that I used a photo versus Cal! In all seriousness I think Roman can make an O work around Mills. I really like his play action game and that Pro Day was great. Jackson has not started 16 games in a season and the depth is currently Trace McSorley and Tyler Huntley. I also want insurance because I am still not convinced that Lamar Jackson is the player who can take the Ravens to a Lombardi. Great regular season numbers, but so did Colin Kaepernick.

True I dock that stupid Tree loving idiot! F Stanford!

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At 95 for Tampa my pick came between Benjamin St-Juste and Aaron Banks. It was a tough decision because I love guards that play the way Banks does. Since Tampa has two good young guards already I went with the CB which was a need.

But the guy at the top of our board didn’t go and we are elated to snag Christensen here.

I was hoping Spencer Brown would slip, that kids ceiling with his size and athleticism is nearly unlimited. Browns don’t need a tackle but I would have snagged him in the 4th for sure.

but he has the potential to be an NFL quality rusher. Has the right frame and burst and in the right program could develop well.

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Take the guy whose NUMBAH 1, like me!!

Then it did to make it. This was an easy pick for Houston. They need some fresh legs and Carter gets to learn from 2 Vets that know the game.

Versatility is just what this offense needs.

... even though we already have basically the same guy in Austin Ekeler. We think Carter will be even better, with Tiki Barber-type potential.

I really liked him at Senior Bowl and that put him on my short list for the 104th pick, but I was a bit worried that he was too much like what the Ravens already had at the position and if I was going to take a WR that high it needed to be someone who was a better complement.

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I went defense with my first 4 picks but wanted to add some explosiveness to this receiving corps. Odell can't stay healthy and while Jarvis Landry is excellent and Rashard Higgins is a nice role player, depth is needed. Donovan Peoples-Jones looks like he will be able to contribute but there aren't a ton of deep threats in this group. D'Wayne is another one of those undersized guys that can absolutely fly. 3 year starter with production and special teams ability.

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... even though we already have basically the same guy in Austin Ekeler. We think Carter will be even better, with Tiki Barber-type potential.

I was eyeing Amari Rodgers until he was taken but I am very happy to get Carter. He is very Dave Meggett like (hopefully only on the field)

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In comment 15210971 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: ... even though we already have basically the same guy in Austin Ekeler. We think Carter will be even better, with Tiki Barber-type potential. I was eyeing Amari Rodgers until he was taken but I am very happy to get Carter. He is very Dave Meggett like (hopefully only on the field)

Browns don't really need a running back, but Carter would have been tough for me to pass on. Was near the top of my list as well. Nice player and good value at this point.

Tied up till early afternoon but back after

Williams production in 2020 was negatively impacted by the inconsistent play of Bo Nix at QB. Hand catches the ball with 4.50 speed in the 40.
A nice addition to Cowboys WR group with Gallup set for FA at the end of the season.

Nobody is standing out for me here as a clear BPA

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Assuming MadPlaid doesn't want to double-up at OL, LB or WR, DT Tyler Shelvin and RB Kenneth Gainwell seem like decent options. Danny Shelton is only signed for a year. Nobody knows what the future holds for Saquon Barkley, and Booker is JAG.

Well done, MadPlaid.

I must have been channeling your thought processes. Gainswell was on my radar too.

To be honest, I was very torn on this one. No one excited me. I took particularly long to make my selection because I couldn't make up my mind in what direction to go. I didn't really see a true BPA who jumped out at me.

I finally went with a beast in the middle. He can sit and learn behind Shelton, while he figures out what it takes to be a pro. Namely conditioning and weight management. Those are the only things really holding Shevlin back. If he can improve his conditioning, he can have a long productive career as a monster run stuffer.

I had a few others besides Gainswell that I considered here. Although it is unlikely they will be available in the 6th round the next time the Giants have a draft pick, I will keep them to myself in case they slip.

Cheers

Needs a couple edge rushers fellas.

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Sure, but they don't grow on trees. The EDGE players left on the board look a lot like the guys we already have - Ximines, Carter, and Coughlin, among others.

I emailed him a few times... If I don't hear from him, , let's go BPA (Hamilcar Rashed Jr.)

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True, unfortunately, this year isn't a strong one for Edge Rushers. The value hasn't matched my draft positions. Drafting for need is a guaranteed killer. The value has to match, if not, no go.

... Hamilcar Rashed is at the top of the prospect list, and wouldn't be a terrible fit for San Francisco, if Pete stays offline. If you squint hard enough, he looks a little like Dee Ford.

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In comment 15211499 Carl in CT said: Quote: Needs a couple edge rushers fellas. True, unfortunately, this year isn't a strong one for Edge Rushers. The value hasn't matched my draft positions. Drafting for need is a guaranteed killer. The value has to match, if not, no go.

I actually like the middle/late edge rusher class, it's just the top that's missing oomph in my eyes. There are a ton of round 3-7 guys I am really interested in, of course, they are all developmental guys and not short-term solution to NYG's issue. But in terms of drafting for the long term, still plenty of developmental guys on the board that are pretty exciting (to me). The problem is NYG needs a day one guy.

At this point of the draft unless they have multiple picks at a position, there likely won't be a reason to ever bypass the top name on the list for a team that doesn't pick when they are up.

Josh Kaindoh is a worthwhile lottery ticket for San Francisco. They are in a real mess with Dee Ford's contract and back problems. Kaindoh is more traits than production at this point, but those traits are impressive.

He tore it up once Herbert came in and seemed to have a mostly healthy season

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SHHHHH... I'm trying to negotiate a team-friendly restructure here.

Seriously though, KA is still a star, but his yards per target are way down from the years that earned him that monster deal. And while the season-ending injury was "just" a hamstring, it's a concern for a veteran whose durability had become his trademark after a bunch of injuries early in his career.

The Chargers picked up MW's fifth-year option under the old CBA rules for top-ten picks, and before COVID reduced the 2021 cap. So his 2021 salary is way above his real value, and basically eats up the savings from having a star QB on his rookie deal. None of that means he won't be re-signed; just puts the team in a lousy negotiating position for now.

I thought about Dayo on my last pick, was hoping I could sneak to the 5th to grab him. Honestly if Jordan Smith wasn't there I probably would have pulled the trigger on Dayo

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I thought about Dayo on my last pick, was hoping I could sneak to the 5th to grab him. Honestly if Jordan Smith wasn't there I probably would have pulled the trigger on Dayo

Will miss at least 2021 due to injury so I doubt he gets drafted in real life

And maybe in this draft Camryn Bynum is a little early, but I had a note I wrote to myself as soon as I signed back up in the BBI draft and it said what ever you do... Draft Camryn Bynum.

He plays on the west coast, he plays for a team that isn't a powerhouse year in and year out, and he is so good he doesn't have that many chances to make plays. Let us also throw in that Cal only got to play 4 games this year and had the most crazy bay area restrictions where practice was a nightmare. This guy is a leader from the day he stepped on campus. When the pac-12 said they were going to play in the spring he opted out. He wants to play at the next level. He hated it because he wanted to play for and with his teammates. When they changed the schedule to start playing in November he quickly opted back in and went to work. He improved everyone around him. Then for pro day he measures in at 6' 200 lbs and runs a 4.49 with a 6.98 3 cone, and 4.01 SS... IN THE RAIN! He is an amazing player, high character, and a leader. I love this kid and sad to see him go. #GoBears

His Pro Day running in the rain on what isn't a fast track like Ohio State has.

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In comment 15211674 NoGainDayne said: Quote: I thought about Dayo on my last pick, was hoping I could sneak to the 5th to grab him. Honestly if Jordan Smith wasn't there I probably would have pulled the trigger on Dayo Will miss at least 2021 due to injury so I doubt he gets drafted in real life

Agreed probably or maybe like a 7th rounder. Doesn't mean I didn't want to snag him in case he recovers and develops lol

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In comment 15211674 NoGainDayne said: Quote: I thought about Dayo on my last pick, was hoping I could sneak to the 5th to grab him. Honestly if Jordan Smith wasn't there I probably would have pulled the trigger on Dayo Will miss at least 2021 due to injury so I doubt he gets drafted in real life

Exactly. I thought hard about selecting Dayo Odeyingbo with my 4th round pick. In the end, I just couldn't justify doing it when the player has just injured his Achilles a couples months ago. If he was still available in the 6th round, I probably would have pulled the trigger. 4th round? No.

However, johnnyb, if he comes back 100%, you got a really nice player in the middle of the draft.

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I must have been channeling your thought processes. Gainswell was on my radar too. To be honest, I was very torn on this one. No one excited me. I took particularly long to make my selection because I couldn't make up my mind in what direction to go. I didn't really see a true BPA who jumped out at me. I finally went with a beast in the middle. He can sit and learn behind Shelton, while he figures out what it takes to be a pro. Namely conditioning and weight management. Those are the only things really holding Shevlin back. If he can improve his conditioning, he can have a long productive career as a monster run stuffer. I had a few others besides Gainswell that I considered here. Although it is unlikely they will be available in the 6th round the next time the Giants have a draft pick, I will keep them to myself in case they slip. Cheers

Shelvin is a solid pick there. If you want to play a 3-4 you have to have a few NTs. The Earth doesn't create many.

we stick with our draft board and end up with a little but of a cluster draft. Chris Rumph II is the sone of an NFL DL coach and has a super high football IQ and an array of great moves. What he lacks is ideal size, but we think he can come in and be part of a terrific rotation of pass rushers paired with fellow rookie Patrick Jones and returning vets Brandon Graham and Derek Barnett. He can play some DL and some LB and we can move him around the defense to create mismatches.

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we stick with our draft board and end up with a little but of a cluster draft. Chris Rumph II is the sone of an NFL DL coach and has a super high football IQ and an array of great moves. What he lacks is ideal size, but we think he can come in and be part of a terrific rotation of pass rushers paired with fellow rookie Patrick Jones and returning vets Brandon Graham and Derek Barnett. He can play some DL and some LB and we can move him around the defense to create mismatches.

Nice pick, Chris. One of the good edge prospects I was just talking about.

But his pro day was shockingly bad. If nothing else the fact that he opted out and then performed that poorly would be a big red flag for me. Did y’all see his numbers? Decent for a defensive tackle.

swings for the fences with Newman. (newman!)

I'm sure there will be teams that will hate him for transferring and then opting out at Georgia, but crazy talent. Work with him for a year or two and you just might have an absolute monster from a mid round pick.

Had an awful game vs. Clemson last year, could be telling, but he was without his best two WR's and Clemson can make a lot of guys look bad, so I'll take the risk

That was my second option at 104, but Mills was ranked so much higher

Wide Receiver is not a huge need for the Vikings, but having Fehoko along with Thielen, Jefferson and Irv Smith will make them difficult to defend. Fehoko provides size, speed and jump ball ability that they do not currently have.

I am happy with the way the draft fell for me. I was able to address the OL early. I did not think Vera- Tucker would make it past the Chargers. The DL, LB and defensive backfield received some much needed help. A few more areas of need with the remaining picks.

Should be picking soon

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In comment 15211810 Chris in Philly said: Quote: we stick with our draft board and end up with a little but of a cluster draft. Chris Rumph II is the sone of an NFL DL coach and has a super high football IQ and an array of great moves. What he lacks is ideal size, but we think he can come in and be part of a terrific rotation of pass rushers paired with fellow rookie Patrick Jones and returning vets Brandon Graham and Derek Barnett. He can play some DL and some LB and we can move him around the defense to create mismatches. Nice pick, Chris. One of the good edge prospects I was just talking about.

Thanks Lion. If this dude ends up in the right system he could really make an impact.

He was right behind Seth Williams when I picked at number 115. He has great hands. Catches everything.
Good value.

The Stanford WR was my target. That guy is a beast.

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Maybe he shouldn’t have. Terrific player, and right in our back yard. We probably over-scouted him, and found reasons not to like him at left tackle. The plan was to shop for a guard on Day 2, targeting Wyatt Davis or Trey Smith. (We wound up with both.) Once we decided Vera-Tucker might wind up inside, we moved on to Christian Darrisaw, who would have been the pick if not for a terrible interview. Fell in love with his teammate Farley, though - giddily enough to overlook a discectomy. 🤷🏽🤦🏽‍♂️

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His cousin Breiden is a Charger. Spent most of the season on the practice squad, and was promoted to the roster for a few games. Another cousin, Alfred Pupunu, was a longtime Charger

Breiden and Alfred both told us Simi is only in it for the money, so we drafted Tamorrion Terry instead. 😉

106. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Brady Christensen, OT, BYU
107. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Quincy Roche, EDGE, Miami
108. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Jordan Smith, EDGE/LB, UAB
109. Houston (Boatie Warrant) - Michael Carter, RB, North Carolina
110. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (from Phi) - Dee Eskridge, WR/CB, Western Michigan
111. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Robert Rochell, CB, Central Arkansas
112. Detroit (superspynyg) - Shaka Toney, EDGE, Penn State
113. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Marquez Stevenson, WR/RS, Houston
114. Denver (jlukes) - Marco Wilson, CB, Florida
115. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Seth Williams, WR, Auburn
116. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Tyler Shelvin, IDL, LSU
117. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) - Joshua Kaindoh, EDGE, Florida State
118. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State
119. Minnesota (johnnyb) - Dayo Odeyingbo, EDGE, Vanderbilt
120. New England (Sean) - Trevon Grimes, WR, Florida
121. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
122. New England (Sean) (from Hou, Ari) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh
123. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) (from Mia) - Chris Rumph, EDGE/LB, Duke
124. Washington (SirYesSir) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia
125. Minnesota (johnnyb) (from Chi) - Simi Fehoko, WR, Stanford
126. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State
127. Indianapolis (Go Terps) - Hamilcar Rashed Jr., EDGE/LB, Oregon State
128. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) - On the clock
129. Seattle (sjnyfan)
130. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from LAR)
131. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
132. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
133. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22)
134. Minnesota (johnnyb) (from Buf)
135. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
136. Kansas City (English Alaister)
137. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
138. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) (comp)
139. New England (Sean) (comp)
140. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) (comp)
141. LA Rams (JayBinQueens) (comp)
142. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant) (comp)
143. Minnesota (johnnyb) (comp)
144. Kansas City (English Alaister) (comp)

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Go Terps said: Quote: The Stanford WR was my target. That guy is a beast. His cousin Breiden is a Charger. Spent most of the season on the practice squad, and was promoted to the roster for a few games. Another cousin, Alfred Pupunu, was a longtime Charger Breiden and Alfred both told us Simi is only in it for the money, so we drafted Tamorrion Terry instead. 😉

That's a relief! I watched some highlights of Davis Mills and kept coming away asking myself "Who is #13???"

He's on the small side, and his 40 times of 4.61 and 4.65 at Michigan State's pro day knocked him down our board. His on-field resume is thin, and eligibility issues early in his college career suggest that the mental side of NFL defense might challenge him too. For a few weeks last fall, he was the best playmaking corner in the country. A lot of draftniks seem to like him in the slot and on specials. Maybe that's worth a fourth-round pick. The Giants thought so when they drafted Darnay Holmes, but he tested much better than Brown, and had three solid years of game experience.

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For us, the deciding factor between Terry and Fehoko was YAC potential. They are both big, fast, and raw. We saw Terry create with the ball in his hands. Fehoko, not so much, though he might have better ball skills.

Seattle's pick is in

Small school prospect but was a beast at The Senior Bowl. In the one on ones no one could hang with him. He's a full time slot receiver who could start in year 1.

In the last couple of picks lost a few names on my short list so I was happy that Johnson fell to me. Despite it being a deep crop at S on Day 3, Johnson intrigued me. Will play more of a Jabril Peppers role, but I like that he has some ball skills in addition to being able to play the run. Considering what the Ravens face in the AFC North I think that Johnson fits. Safety play was a bit spotty at times last year so I wanted to address at some point.

Pick coming shortly.

with Andrew Billings and Sheldon Richardson on the last years of their deals (and Richardson is 31). Glad I waited as there are still some good run defenders available at defensive tackle. Marlon Tuipulotu is actually the cousin of fellow '21 prospect Talanoa Hufanga. Another cousin was 2009 draft pick Fili Moala.

The first name on the list is a S, but the Saints already drafted one. Do they really draft 2 S's in first four rounds or do we bypass for next name on the list - a CB?

standby

Gave him a 3rd round grade. I think I'd like to see him shift inside.

I let you have Vera-Tucker, and this is the thanks I get? D'Ante Smith has been the Chargers' fifth-round sleeper for weeks. I guess somebody else noticed him at the Senior Bowl.

Smith was pick 134, not 133.

Let's get back to the pace we had the last few days

Sorry had my pick ready but in working meetings all morning and afternoon- hopefully a nice curve ball!

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Sorry had my pick ready but in working meetings all morning and afternoon- hopefully a nice curve ball!

Just having some fun as this stuff happens. You are not expected to be on BBI 24/7.

Versatile OL who started at LG and C for 3 years at Illinois. Weight room fanatic who can squat 700’lbs. Ran a 4.88 forty adds depth to the Cowboys OL as he can play the 3 interior OL positions.

undersized, but very hard working.

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Versatile OL who started at LG and C for 3 years at Illinois. Weight room fanatic who can squat 700’lbs. Ran a 4.88 forty adds depth to the Cowboys OL as he can play the 3 interior OL positions.

One of the few OL left on my list, good player.

I love randomly getting onto BBI and seeing it's only been my pick for 2 minutes haha

Tre Brown was a three year starter at Oklahoma and although undersized, brings aggressiveness and athleticism to the defensive backfield. He can be a quality nickel back for the Vikings. 4.4 speed.

106. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Brady Christensen, OT, BYU
107. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Quincy Roche, EDGE, Miami
108. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Jordan Smith, EDGE/LB, UAB
109. Houston (Boatie Warrant) - Michael Carter, RB, North Carolina
110. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (from Phi) - Dee Eskridge, WR/CB, Western Michigan
111. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Robert Rochell, CB, Central Arkansas
112. Detroit (superspynyg) - Shaka Toney, EDGE, Penn State
113. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Marquez Stevenson, WR/RS, Houston
114. Denver (jlukes) - Marco Wilson, CB, Florida
115. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Seth Williams, WR, Auburn
116. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Tyler Shelvin, IDL, LSU
117. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) - Joshua Kaindoh, EDGE, Florida State
118. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State
119. Minnesota (johnnyb) - Dayo Odeyingbo, EDGE, Vanderbilt
120. New England (Sean) - Trevon Grimes, WR, Florida
121. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
122. New England (Sean) (from Hou, Ari) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh
123. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) (from Mia) - Chris Rumph, EDGE/LB, Duke
124. Washington (SirYesSir) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia
125. Minnesota (johnnyb) (from Chi) - Simi Fehoko, WR, Stanford
126. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State
127. Indianapolis (Go Terps) - Hamilcar Rashed Jr., EDGE/LB, Oregon State
128. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) - Cameron McGrone, LB, Michigan
129. Seattle (sjnyfan) - Jaylen Twyman, IDL, Pittsburgh
130. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from LAR) - Cade Johnson, WR, South Dakota State
131. Baltimore (Mike in NY) - Jamar Johnson, S, Indiana
132. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - Marlon Tuipulotu, IDL, USC
133. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22) - Ambry Thomas, CB, Michigan
134. Minnesota (johnnyb) (from Buf) - D'Ante Smith, OT, East Carolina
135. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant) - Kenneth Gainwell, RB, Memphis
136. Kansas City (English Alaister) - Stone Forsythe, OT, Florida
137. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island) - Anthony Schwartz, WR, Auburn
138. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) (comp) - Kendrick Green, IOL, Illinois
139. New England (Sean) (comp) - Jaret Patterson, RB, Buffalo
140. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) (comp) - Thomas Graham, CB, Oregon
141. LA Rams (JayBinQueens) (comp) - Monty Rice, LB, Georgia
142. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant) (comp) - David Moore, IOL, Grambling
143. Minnesota (johnnyb) (comp) - Tre Brown, CB, Oklahoma
144. Kansas City (English Alaister) (comp) - On the clock

Round 5
145. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT)
146. New York Jets (Jon in NYC)
147. Houston (Boatie Warrant)
148. Atlanta (NoGainDayne)
149. Cincinnati (Matt G)
150. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly)
151. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte)
152. Denver (jlukes)
153. Detroit (superspynyg)
154. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) (from NYG)
155. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock)
156. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Phi, Dal)
157. Minnesota (johnnyb)
158. Houston (Boatie Warrant) (from NE)
159. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger)
160. Arizona (DCPollaro)
161. Buffalo (Uconngiant) (from LV)
162. Las Vegas (Amtoft) (from Mia)
163. Washington (SirYesSir)
164. Chicago (Anakim)
165. Indianapolis (Go Terps)
166. Tennessee (TommytheElephant)
167. Las Vegas (Amtoft) (from Sea)
168. Minnesota (johnnyb) (from Bal, Pit)
169. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (from LAR)
170. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from Cle)
171. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
172. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from NO)
173. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
174. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
175. Kansas City (English Alaister)
176. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
177. New England (comp)
178. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant) (comp)
179. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) (comp)
180. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (comp)
181. Kansas City (English Alaister) (comp)
182. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) (comp)
183. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) (comp)
184. Baltimore (Mike in NY) (comp)

NYJ and HOU should be ready to go... I'm going to send ATL and CIN picks over to Mike in NY as I'm going to be at the dentist for the next few hours