BBI Mock Draft – DISCUSSION Thread

In comment 15201478 Big Blue Blogger said:

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At #6, it wouldn't necessitate moving on from Tua. Miami could afford to let the best man win over a year or two, with Brissett on hand as insurance. That would have been more difficult if they had made the pick at #3. FWIW, I would have taken Chase too.

"Youz mongoes wanna move on from Tuerrr arrready!!!"

to accumulate more draft capital (including the potential for 3 first rounders next year), we are still able to nab the most exciting skill player in the draft. We are showing confidence in our anointed starting QB and providing him with a player that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball (and opens up the defense even when he doesn't). As an organization we are thrilled to be able to trade down and still come away with a week 1 difference maker.

based on everything we have in terms of draft info and asshats, I would find it incredibly shocking for NYG to take Slater over Waddle

In comment 15201916 Chris in Philly said:

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to accumulate more draft capital (including the potential for 3 first rounders next year), we are still able to nab the most exciting skill player in the draft. We are showing confidence in our anointed starting QB and providing him with a player that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball (and opens up the defense even when he doesn't). As an organization we are thrilled to be able to trade down and still come away with a week 1 difference maker.

Man would I hate that in real life. Gonna need Adoree to stay healthy to cover Waddle.

refer to the Eagles as "we" without ralphing?

Ugh

... and you know with a high degree of certainty that the two players you really want are about to be picked at #11 and #12.

Horn might have been a safer pick, and Darrisaw or Vera-Tucker would fill a more obvious need. The Chargers go for upside with Farley.

addressing the defense, with little or no help to the offense. The OL is a glaring weakness, and Vera- Tucker can play both G or T and instantly improve their O- Line.

because there are a lot of people here who do not like my selection. Ha!

In comment 15201951 MadPlaid said:

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because there are a lot of people here who do not like my selection. Ha!

I like the pick, Mad! Daniel Jeremiah also LOVES Slater, has him ranked #7 overall, ahead of Penei Sewell.
Slater is a slightly undersized tackle prospect. He plays with outstanding knee bend, foot quickness and balance. He explodes out of his stance in the passing game and does an excellent job of re-working his hands to maintain inside position. Slater gives a little ground versus power before dropping his weight and anchoring late. His best trait is his ability to recover when he finds himself in a bad position. In the run game, he plays with quickness and urgency when working up to the second level. He takes great angles and is one of the best I've seen when it comes to cutting off linebackers. He doesn't have elite power to knock back defenders over his nose, but he does a good job of running his feet and staying attached. He has excellent awareness. Overall, Slater might lack ideal length, but it doesn't hinder him and I believe he can excel at left tackle. If a team chooses to play him inside, he should quickly develop into a Pro Bowl guard.

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Belichick has a strong relationship with Saban, so Jones is familiar with the program. Pats desperately need another QB in the room. Jones can now back up Cam and be ready when called upon.

I was unsure if Jones would make it this far, but the Patriots sit tight and get their guy.

Guard might be the team’s most glaring hole, and Slater was one of the top two prospects left on most boards, and he might even be able to play tackle if he’s not needed inside. Boring-ass pick, but a perfectly good one.

Does the staff like what they have on the Interior OL? Maybe, but it’s not as though our guards (or the rest of the OL for that matter) have an impressive body of work.

In comment 15201823 MadPlaid said:

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I agree if a play maker is higher ranked than Slater, that's where they should go. I just didn't see anyone who I rated higher being there. Waddle was to me rated on the same plain as Slater, so I went with the one who was a higher need. I did start reading good things about an edge rusher from Georgia, but he seemed the kind of pick you target with a trade down. Unfortunately, if the Giants are going to trade down, it isn't happening until draft day, if at all.

I agree with you completely. When a player at another position is better, go with him. But when you have two players at about the same talent player, then you go with need.

Alijah Vera-Tucker pick... he was number one on my list once Waddle was taken... thought he would make it to 17.

No one will be upset... but I'd start him at Right Tackle and sign Trai Turner for Right Guard...

LT: Thomas / Solder
LG: Lemieux / Hernandez
OC: Gates / Harrison
RG: Turner / Fulton
RT: Slater / Peart

Jaycee Horn was pick after Alijah Vera-Tucker. Thought for sure one of the two would make it to me.

I was targeting CB if it matched up and it pretty much did. Started to think of some others on the board but going to see whats available rd 2!

oh well so Christian Barmore is a beast. 6-foot-4, 310 pounds, he ran his 40 in 4.93 seconds. Had 12 pressures in the two playoff college games at DT including a sack in each game. Put up 8 sacks in 11 games this year. He dominated this year.

...without any EDGE picks. I don’t think it has happened since, like, 2004.

I guess Parsons has some of the traits, but nobody really looks at him that way.

In comment 15202043 Big Blue Blogger said:

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...without any EDGE picks. I don’t think it has happened since, like, 2004. I guess Parsons has some of the traits, but nobody really looks at him that way.

To me the best player on the board were Edge rushers, but the Raiders have so many edge players.

Getting ahead of the Browns scouting department haha

In comment 15202071 Lionhart28 said:

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Getting ahead of the Browns scouting department haha

Browns are not used to picking late

Rousseau and Paye. I went with Paye, but with a heavy heart. Rousseau has more upside, but Paye more of a sure thing. I'll chit chat about it at another time. Gonna go to sleep now since it's 1:35 am now where I am and I need to knock. Peace out mongoes.

In comment 15202075 Mike in NY said:

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Browns are not used to picking late

Touche

that was tough...really about 5 guys I'd of been very happy with there, but Darrisaw had the least warts/worries, and those guys are hard or impossible to find in free agency.

Fills one of their two major concerns

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He might be my fav ER in this class.

In comment 15202281 superspynyg said:

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He might be my fav ER in this class.

What do you guys see in his film? I haven’t watched a ton bc he’s not a scheme-fit for Cleveland but it’ wasn’t very impressive to me. Decent hand use and bend but doesn’t seem very explosive and uses 1 move 80% of the time. Not overly physical. Curious what others are seeing...

In comment 15202286 Lionhart28 said:

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In comment 15202281 superspynyg said: Quote: He might be my fav ER in this class. What do you guys see in his film? I haven’t watched a ton bc he’s not a scheme-fit for Cleveland but it’ wasn’t very impressive to me. Decent hand use and bend but doesn’t seem very explosive and uses 1 move 80% of the time. Not overly physical. Curious what others are seeing...

Seems pretty explosive to me. Hard worker, voted captain as a RS Soph. Productive in the SEC. A lot to like here imo. Needs to get stronger and ideally he's 1-2 inches taller but if that was the case he's a top 10 pick.

In comment 15202292 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15202286 Lionhart28 said: Quote: In comment 15202281 superspynyg said: Quote: He might be my fav ER in this class. What do you guys see in his film? I haven’t watched a ton bc he’s not a scheme-fit for Cleveland but it’ wasn’t very impressive to me. Decent hand use and bend but doesn’t seem very explosive and uses 1 move 80% of the time. Not overly physical. Curious what others are seeing... Seems pretty explosive to me. Hard worker, voted captain as a RS Soph. Productive in the SEC. A lot to like here imo. Needs to get stronger and ideally he's 1-2 inches taller but if that was the case he's a top 10 pick.

Thanks Jon, always nice getting different perspectives on players.

In comment 15202294 Lionhart28 said:

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In comment 15202292 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15202286 Lionhart28 said: Quote: In comment 15202281 superspynyg said: Quote: He might be my fav ER in this class. What do you guys see in his film? I haven’t watched a ton bc he’s not a scheme-fit for Cleveland but it’ wasn’t very impressive to me. Decent hand use and bend but doesn’t seem very explosive and uses 1 move 80% of the time. Not overly physical. Curious what others are seeing... Seems pretty explosive to me. Hard worker, voted captain as a RS Soph. Productive in the SEC. A lot to like here imo. Needs to get stronger and ideally he's 1-2 inches taller but if that was the case he's a top 10 pick. Thanks Jon, always nice getting different perspectives on players.

For sure. How do you rank the edge rushers?

In comment 15202303 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15202294 Lionhart28 said: Quote: He might be my fav ER in this class. For sure. How do you rank the edge rushers?

I spent a long time evaluating the day one and two guys, it’s a struggle. No slam dunks for me, honestly. If they don’t have too measurable a I want to see a really good first step and some power. I also want to see
Production, hard to find all 3 this year. The rankings for teams are going to be all over the place depending on what they’re looking for and their schemes. I’ll give my rankings after round one though haha

there's a lot to like about Ojulari, (good bend, good acceleration, solid all-around when not rushing the passer, but if you're looking for questions

1. Size - 240, which isn't awful but not especially large or tall, and arms aren't especially long.
2. Small collection of moves...a guy who's been able to win in college with a limited skill set, one or two tricks, that will probably have to widen in the pros. Can it? Maybe

He's one of the guys who didn't play last year..I'm sure some teams will care about that more than others.

He's a little bigger than Azeez and has better technique.

Stole someone I thought could fall to me (didn’t think USC OL was realistic)

In comment 15202334 Mike in NY said:

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Stole someone I thought could fall to me (didn’t think USC OL was realistic)

Although he didn't steal Azeez Ojulari from me, that was the Georgia edge rusher I had been reading about lately for the Gmen at 11. I didn't think it was realistic, but what do I know? I does my research from the in-ter-net.

In comment 15201738 Rick in Dallas said:

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plug in and play OG immediately and versatile enough to play RT.

Not an impact player. It should have been Waddle. Not at all happy with Slater.

I disagree. I see Slater as an impact player. Anybody who can keep the pressure off Jones, so he has time to complete deep throws to Golloday, Ross and Slayton is a good thing. Plus help make space for Saquon to make plays is a difference maker. When the Oline works, the Giants will win. It starts with them.

In comment 15202361 MadPlaid said:

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I disagree. I see Slater as an impact player. Anybody who can keep the pressure off Jones, so he has time to complete deep throws to Golloday, Ross and Slayton is a good thing. Plus help make space for Saquon to make plays is a difference maker. When the Oline works, the Giants will win. It starts with them.

You can find the same in the 2nd round with a guard and that is what Slater is in the NFL, a guard. Waddle is Tyreek Hill, but a touch bigger. From looking at it Vera-Tucker appears to be the better OL.
I see little way Judge takes Slater at 11. Sewell maybe, but I still think he wants an impact skill player at #11.

I always go BPA, I'm not trying to pick like the team but I certainly get if some GMs want to do that but not why I really do this.

The most criticized pick I've ever had on here was actually DK Metcalf at 16. Not only for the "reach" but also because ATL was stacked at receiver. Flash forward to later that year and they pay Julio a huge extension that he really hasn't lived up to. For all of the idea that they were set at that position, you aren't ever to set to add a star.

Pitts to me is a matchup nightmare. He's the surest thing in this draft not named Lawrence. I'd definitely be looking to move Jones if I were ATL even now.

I'd very much expect them to take Fields if the draft played out like this but honestly I'm not all the way there with him. Would have taken Lance but if Fields has what it takes to win in the NFL between the ears is a real toss up for me.

I get it. Slater is not an exciting pick like Waddle. Heck, I would have preferred Pitts, Parson, Smith or Surtain. But none were there at 11. I just didn't think Waddle's obvious talent out weighed his durability issues.

In the end, what decided it for me was the common factor in the Giants awful record over the last several years: a putrid offensive line. Lack luster, inconsistent, no time for Eli and then Jones to do anything. Barkley having to rely on his talent alone to make plays. No help. They have some really good guys on it now, but can you say for certain any of them are the answer?

Slater is talented enough to play tackle or guard. He can fight for RT job, or challenge for one of the guard spots. Is Solder really that great an option if Peart or Thomas fail or get injured? Is Lemieux or Hernandez for real? Or would Slater be a much better option at any of those positions? He is going to help make the offense better by keeping the pressure out of Jones' face and making space for Saquon to run.

That is where he will be a difference maker.

not sure what isn't sexy about shoring up the line.

If you look at a case study of the Giants, things started to go worse for us when the line slipped and we started trying to solve that by bringing in weapons for the offense before we were sure we had the protection down.

Unfortunately I fear that the Giants would go with Waddle there instead and that represents a huge risk in my mind, not just for him as a player but in the fact that the Oline is probably what will make or break this season and as of now it looks like the biggest concern.

In comment 15202378 MadPlaid said:

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I get it. Slater is not an exciting pick like Waddle. Heck, I would have preferred Pitts, Parson, Smith or Surtain. But none were there at 11. I just didn't think Waddle's obvious talent out weighed his durability issues. In the end, what decided it for me was the common factor in the Giants awful record over the last several years: a putrid offensive line. Lack luster, inconsistent, no time for Eli and then Jones to do anything. Barkley having to rely on his talent alone to make plays. No help. They have some really good guys on it now, but can you say for certain any of them are the answer? Slater is talented enough to play tackle or guard. He can fight for RT job, or challenge for one of the guard spots. Is Solder really that great an option if Peart or Thomas fail or get injured? Is Lemieux or Hernandez for real? Or would Slater be a much better option at any of those positions? He is going to help make the offense better by keeping the pressure out of Jones' face and making space for Saquon to run. That is where he will be a difference maker.

There are those here that argue we need a rookie oliner to improve the line while arguing that the guys picked last year aren't going to improve... that is the issue or one of them with this pick. So the guys last year weren't good enough and will not improve this season, so we will live through growing pains of another rookie OG...FWIW, Thomas was (arguably) the "most pro ready" OT in the draft but it took him 8 games to get it together...

If Golladay gets injured, the Giants are back to last year at WR. If they take Waddle, they still have a game wrecker to play alongside Slayton and Shepard.

Slater would be a good addition to the line and I cannot say he would not start at RG. Your reasoning to protect Jones is excellent if Slater is a day one starter and a big improvement over Zeitler. I just think Waddle or Smith would be more likely to elevate the WR position.

No need to respond, you need to research #42 and I have taken up too much of your time.

I respect your point of view. It has merit. Yeah, rookie lineman all over again. This has been fun, and I think in many ways we are both right.

I'm confident I will be able to find a sexy play maker in the upcoming rounds. First two picks, hogmollies? Unlikely.

Cheers and have a great night.

You can’t find Slater’s versatility in the second round. IMHO, Slater can not only play guard at a high level but also tackle.
The WR position is so deep and loaded the Giants can find an impact starter at number 42.
That’s just my opinion but I value your opinion also.

(at least most) questioning the Slater pick are saying to IGNORE the O Line...I hope they add at least one, maybe two in this draft. what they think of Peart will play a big role in that decision, but sure - address it. It's very important


Just not sure a guy who's played tackle, but might not project to OT in the pros due to size issues, is worth pick 11 with Waddle (and all his speed that would really help open up the field for Golladay and Saquan) still on the board. There are other fast wr's to grab later, but Waddle looks special imo

It's not a bad pick, but I'd much prefer Waddle there. I could be wrong

In comment 15201781 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 15201689 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: To Andy in Halifax? He has PSTD from all the previous draft beatings.

He sucks at drafting for the Giants 😩😀😁

It will be a homerun if he is our Zack Martin. That should help stablize the right side of our O-line whether he plays tackle or guard.

Round 1
1. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Jacksonville (Kevin in CT), Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
2. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
3. San Francisco (Pete from WS) (Mia, Hou) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State
4. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
5. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon
6. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Phi) - Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
7. Detroit (superspynyg) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State
8. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State
9. Denver (jlukes) - DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama
10. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama
11. New York Giants (MadPlaid) - Rashawn Slater, OT/IOL, Northwestern
12. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) (from SF, Mia) - Jaylen Waddle, WR/RS, Alabama
13. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech
14. Minnesota (johnnyb) - Alijah Vera-Tucker, IOL, USC
15. New England (Sean) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
16. Arizona (DCPollaro) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina
17. Las Vegas (Amtoft) - Christian Barmore, IDL, Alabama
18. Miami (Optimus-NY) - Kwity Paye, EDGE, Michigan
19. Washington (SirYesSir) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
20. Chicago (Anakim) - Jaelan Phillips, EDGE, Miami
21. Indianapolis (Go Terps) - Teven Jenkins, OT/IOL, Oklahoma State
22. Tennessee (TommytheElephant) - Rondale Moore, WR/RS, Purdue
23. NY Jets (Jon in NYC) (from Sea) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE/LB, Georgia
24. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce) - Jalen Mayfield, IOL/OT, Michigan
25. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from LAR) - On the clock
26. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
27. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
28. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22)
29. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
30. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
31. Kansas City (English Alaister)
32. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)

Round 2
33. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT)
34. New York Jets (Jon in NYC)
35. Atlanta (NoGainDayne)
36. Miami (Optimus-NY) (from Hou)
37. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly)
38. Cincinnati (Matt G)
39. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte)
40. Denver (jlukes)
41. Detroit (superspynyg)
42. New York Giants (MadPlaid)
43. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock)
44. Dallas (Rick in Dallas)
45. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) (from Min)
46. New England (Sean)
47. LA Chargers (Big Blue Blogger)
48. Las Vegas (Amtoft)
49. Arizona (DCPollaro)
50. Miami (Optimus-NY)
51. Washington (SirYesSir)
52. Chicago (Anakim)
53. Tennessee (TommytheElephant)
54. Indianapolis (Go Terps)
55. Pittsburgh (Antonio Fierce)
56. Seattle (sjnyfan)
57. LA Rams (JayBinQueens)
58. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
59. Cleveland (Lionhart28)
60. New Orleans (Doubledeuce22)
61. Buffalo (Uconngiant)
62. Green Bay (ChicagoGiant)
63. Kansas City (English Alaister)
64. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)

Hopefully we can keep momentum going. I am happy about the picks after Ojulari because at that point, of the remaining players, one guy was in a tier higher than the rest and I had identified two players that stood out in the next tier. Fortunately nobody has taken any of those three and currently there are two teams who pick before me.