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Joe Judge will be at Miami's Pro Day Today

Anakim : 3/29/2021 11:43 am
Ralph Vacchiano
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Also, Giants coach Joe Judge is at Miami’s Pro Day today, where he’ll get to see a couple of highly regarded edge rushers in Gregory Rousseau and Jaelan Phillips.




The Pro Day will be at 1 PM and televised on the ACC Network
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Due Diligence  
thevett : 3/29/2021 11:48 am : link
By Judge, plus he gets to fill-up on Seafood
Phillips is a guy that I could see us taking in a small trade back  
Rjanyg : 3/29/2021 11:51 am : link
With New England. They take Mac Jones we get an ER and a 3rd round pick.
Very interesting  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/29/2021 11:51 am : link
Jaelan Phillips is one of the most intriguing names out there. If he passes the medical tests, I think he’s my favorite edge option. Rousseau isn’t far behind.
RE: Phillips is a guy that I could see us taking in a small trade back  
BeckShepEli : 3/29/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15201467 Rjanyg said:
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With New England. They take Mac Jones we get an ER and a 3rd round pick.


Mac Jones is rumored to be going #3 to San Fran. Supposedly they love him
I'll believe Mac Jones at 3 when I see it  
UConn4523 : 3/29/2021 11:54 am : link
either way that means Fields "drops" and I can see him being of interest too along with Lance.
They need speed on D  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/29/2021 11:57 am : link
in the front 7. Parsons and these players at Miami fit that bill.
No  
AcidTest : 3/29/2021 12:01 pm : link
to Rousseau and Phillips.
RE: Phillips is a guy that I could see us taking in a small trade back  
jeff57 : 3/29/2021 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15201467 Rjanyg said:
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With New England. They take Mac Jones we get an ER and a 3rd round pick.


Love Phillips. But the concussion history worries me.
RE: They need speed on D  
Rjanyg : 3/29/2021 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15201480 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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in the front 7. Parsons and these players at Miami fit that bill.


To add about Parsons, as I had posted above, he was recruited to play OLB/Edge at PSU. I really want him to be the pick assuming he is available.
It’s all about  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 12:03 pm : link
The medicals with Phillips.
RE: RE: They need speed on D  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/29/2021 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15201490 Rjanyg said:
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in the front 7. Parsons and these players at Miami fit that bill.



To add about Parsons, as I had posted above, he was recruited to play OLB/Edge at PSU. I really want him to be the pick assuming he is available.


Rare physical traits. I guess they have to figure out his potential for growth in the very complex ILB position. Nice to have Spencer on Staff
If the coach is personally attending  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/29/2021 12:06 pm : link
Id think the interest in Rousseau is more than just due diligence.

Interesting to read how low fan opinion on Rousseau is vs what the draft people see
RE: If the coach is personally attending  
jeff57 : 3/29/2021 12:08 pm : link
In comment 15201497 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Id think the interest in Rousseau is more than just due diligence.

Interesting to read how low fan opinion on Rousseau is vs what the draft people see


A lot of the draft people have a low opinion of him.
RE: RE: If the coach is personally attending  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/29/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15201500 jeff57 said:
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Id think the interest in Rousseau is more than just due diligence.

Interesting to read how low fan opinion on Rousseau is vs what the draft people see



A lot of the draft people have a low opinion of him.


Brandt has him going 22nd overall.
Kiper has him going 21st
Jeremiah has him going 11th
Brugler has him going 14th.

Not sure who you're reading that has a low opinion of him, but those four are some of the biggest names in the whole draft scene.
Rousseau not being in the Top 15 would be a long way from when he was  
Ivan15 : 3/29/2021 12:25 pm : link
Talked about as being the top non-QB in the draft.
RE: RE: RE: If the coach is personally attending  
Bill L : 3/29/2021 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15201513 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Id think the interest in Rousseau is more than just due diligence.

Interesting to read how low fan opinion on Rousseau is vs what the draft people see



A lot of the draft people have a low opinion of him.



Brandt has him going 22nd overall.
Kiper has him going 21st
Jeremiah has him going 11th
Brugler has him going 14th.

Not sure who you're reading that has a low opinion of him, but those four are some of the biggest names in the whole draft scene.


Low is relative, when you're talking 11th pick. I think most people think it would be a (perceived) need-based pick rather than bpa at that spot.
I can’t see the Giants spending a 1st round pick on Philips  
Jarvis : 3/29/2021 12:42 pm : link
He has 3 concussions (among other injuries) and retired from football before coming back and playing well for 1 season. Does that sound like a player the Giants would draft even pre Joe Judge? I definitely don’t see Judge signing off on that regardless of talent. This isn’t an indictment of Philips either. I can totally understand contemplating retirement form football after multiple head injuries. However, The Giants should not and likely will not take the chance.

Rousseau i could possibly see. He has that raw skill set the Giants have usually liked. However, i would be surprised if Judge truly wants and opt out player with 1 year of production. However, i could see this pick with a trade down in the 1st or a trad up from the 2nd.

The Giants are definitely looking to find an edge rusher. That much is clear. Judge at 2 pro days with multiple edge players and Chris Petit the director of scouting literally sitting right behind Ojulari at the Georgia pro day. My guess is that there is a potential to move back from 11 and they need to have all these players precisely graded. Or they know some of them may fall into the 2nd round or late 1st and they can move on one then.
RE: I can’t see the Giants spending a 1st round pick on Philips  
Rjanyg : 3/29/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15201567 Jarvis said:
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He has 3 concussions (among other injuries) and retired from football before coming back and playing well for 1 season. Does that sound like a player the Giants would draft even pre Joe Judge? I definitely don’t see Judge signing off on that regardless of talent. This isn’t an indictment of Philips either. I can totally understand contemplating retirement form football after multiple head injuries. However, The Giants should not and likely will not take the chance.

Rousseau i could possibly see. He has that raw skill set the Giants have usually liked. However, i would be surprised if Judge truly wants and opt out player with 1 year of production. However, i could see this pick with a trade down in the 1st or a trad up from the 2nd.

The Giants are definitely looking to find an edge rusher. That much is clear. Judge at 2 pro days with multiple edge players and Chris Petit the director of scouting literally sitting right behind Ojulari at the Georgia pro day. My guess is that there is a potential to move back from 11 and they need to have all these players precisely graded. Or they know some of them may fall into the 2nd round or late 1st and they can move on one then.


Ojulari is a guy I see them going after as well. We have a UGA LB coach on our staff so these guys have inside knowledge of them. I still see Parsons as a guy they can see as an OLB.
Roseau’s measurements are absolutely nuts  
aGiantGuy : 3/29/2021 12:58 pm : link
This is Mekhi-Becton-esque

Official measurements for declared early-round juniors at @CanesFootball.

DE Gregory Rousseau
HT 6065
WT 266
Hand 11👀
Arm 34 3/4
Wing 83 1/4👀

DE Jaelan Phillips
HT 6054
WT 260
Hand 9 3/4
Arm 33 1/4
Wing 80 3/4
The Giants will be very fortunate to have the oppurtunity to draft  
rasbutant : 3/29/2021 1:07 pm : link
Gregory Rousseau.

If he didn't opt out they wouldn't have a chance.
RE: Roseau’s measurements are absolutely nuts  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15201589 aGiantGuy said:
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This is Mekhi-Becton-esque

Official measurements for declared early-round juniors at @CanesFootball.

DE Gregory Rousseau
HT 6065
WT 266
Hand 11👀
Arm 34 3/4
Wing 83 1/4👀

DE Jaelan Phillips
HT 6054
WT 260
Hand 9 3/4
Arm 33 1/4
Wing 80 3/4


Watching on tv now. I don’t like Rousseau at all but I’ll give him one thing, kid is well put together. Just moves like he’s in quicksand.
Three  
Professor Falken : 3/29/2021 1:14 pm : link
head coaches there. Judge, Belichick, Flores.
RE: Three  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15201606 Professor Falken said:
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head coaches there. Judge, Belichick, Flores.
The usual suspects
RE: RE: Roseau’s measurements are absolutely nuts  
aGiantGuy : 3/29/2021 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15201603 GoDeep13 said:
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This is Mekhi-Becton-esque

Official measurements for declared early-round juniors at @CanesFootball.

DE Gregory Rousseau
HT 6065
WT 266
Hand 11👀
Arm 34 3/4
Wing 83 1/4👀

DE Jaelan Phillips
HT 6054
WT 260
Hand 9 3/4
Arm 33 1/4
Wing 80 3/4



Watching on tv now. I don’t like Rousseau at all but I’ll give him one thing, kid is well put together. Just moves like he’s in quicksand.


Thought the same thing when I first watched him, but you have to admit that his movement is more impressive if he’s actually 260+ pounds as a sophomore.

If you look at him like a jj watt, Joey bosa, Aldon smith type, rather than the more agile ends out there, I believe he fits in that category.
Brevin Jordan  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:23 pm : link
Is my favorite TE in the draft. I think he gives you best of both worlds as a blacker and receiver.
Jealan Phillips  
aGiantGuy : 3/29/2021 1:28 pm : link
4.46 , EDGE1!!!!!
RE: Jealan Phillips  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15201621 aGiantGuy said:
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4.46 , EDGE1!!!!!
Yea. That’s surprising. Now I need those shuttle times.
Rousseau's the key guy there  
JonC : 3/29/2021 1:29 pm : link
Phillips concussions are a problem.
Rousseau  
Professor Falken : 3/29/2021 1:30 pm : link
4.74
6'5 260  
DanMetroMan : 3/29/2021 1:32 pm : link
running a 4.46 to go with 8 sacks aka production. Wowzas.
RE: Rousseau  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15201625 Professor Falken said:
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4.74
if he was 285/290 you might be able to sell me on Rousseau as a 3-4 DE. Don’t see him fitting this scheme.
RE: 6'5 260  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15201627 DanMetroMan said:
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running a 4.46 to go with 8 sacks aka production. Wowzas.
medicals the only thing stopping this guy from being a sure fire too 10 pick.
Rousseau is going to be Justin Tuck-ish  
Eric on Li : 3/29/2021 1:34 pm : link
I feel reasonably confident on that. Upside could be higher but there's also a low floor because he only played 1 year (and he played that year 15-20 pounds lighter than he is now).

Phillips injury problems are 2+ years in the rear view mirror so unless there's something structural with his back I think he won't get hurt by them. He never missed a practice at Miami in his 2 years. Not sure who I'd comp him to, but he kind of has all the tools. He was a HS prospect on the level of Bosa/Chase Young, and his talent level is close to that level. Also just wasn't able to do it on the field over more than 1 year.
Rousseau  
Professor Falken : 3/29/2021 1:34 pm : link
4.68, second run.
RE: Rousseau is going to be Justin Tuck-ish  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15201632 Eric on Li said:
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I feel reasonably confident on that. Upside could be higher but there's also a low floor because he only played 1 year (and he played that year 15-20 pounds lighter than he is now).

Phillips injury problems are 2+ years in the rear view mirror so unless there's something structural with his back I think he won't get hurt by them. He never missed a practice at Miami in his 2 years. Not sure who I'd comp him to, but he kind of has all the tools. He was a HS prospect on the level of Bosa/Chase Young, and his talent level is close to that level. Also just wasn't able to do it on the field over more than 1 year.
Phillips reminds me of Chandler Jones
Rousseau has been my guy  
Amtoft : 3/29/2021 1:39 pm : link
since last year. Look if he plays this year he is being talked about like Chase Young. He is a stud.
Chandler Jones ran a 4.77 @ 266lbs  
Eric on Li : 3/29/2021 1:39 pm : link
Phillips just ran close to a 4.5 @ 260. He's a tough guy to comp since he can win with both speed and power so I'm not saying Jones is wrong, just that it's hard to find someone totally similar.
RE: RE: Rousseau is going to be Justin Tuck-ish  
aGiantGuy : 3/29/2021 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15201635 GoDeep13 said:
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I feel reasonably confident on that. Upside could be higher but there's also a low floor because he only played 1 year (and he played that year 15-20 pounds lighter than he is now).

Phillips injury problems are 2+ years in the rear view mirror so unless there's something structural with his back I think he won't get hurt by them. He never missed a practice at Miami in his 2 years. Not sure who I'd comp him to, but he kind of has all the tools. He was a HS prospect on the level of Bosa/Chase Young, and his talent level is close to that level. Also just wasn't able to do it on the field over more than 1 year.

Phillips reminds me of Chandler Jones


+1 Chandler Jones is a great comp, think Jones had much longer arms though
RE: Rousseau is going to be Justin Tuck-ish  
Mike in NY : 3/29/2021 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15201632 Eric on Li said:
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I feel reasonably confident on that. Upside could be higher but there's also a low floor because he only played 1 year (and he played that year 15-20 pounds lighter than he is now).

Phillips injury problems are 2+ years in the rear view mirror so unless there's something structural with his back I think he won't get hurt by them. He never missed a practice at Miami in his 2 years. Not sure who I'd comp him to, but he kind of has all the tools. He was a HS prospect on the level of Bosa/Chase Young, and his talent level is close to that level. Also just wasn't able to do it on the field over more than 1 year.


Football is a rough sport and one more concussion can mean his career is over. I would steer clear in Round 1.
RE: RE: Rousseau  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/29/2021 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15201629 GoDeep13 said:
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4.74

if he was 285/290 you might be able to sell me on Rousseau as a 3-4 DE. Don’t see him fitting this scheme.



That said, why not stand him up in a 3-4?
Jealan Phillips  
aGiantGuy : 3/29/2021 1:43 pm : link
Just ran a 4.12 short shuttle, un-fucking-real
If we pick Rousseau we will never regret it  
Chris L. : 3/29/2021 1:43 pm : link
We would have had NO SHOT if he played the season. My son went to Miami. I watch all of their games. Kid will be a beast!!!!!
If we pick Rousseau we will never regret it  
Chris L. : 3/29/2021 1:43 pm : link
We would have had NO SHOT if he played the season. My son went to Miami. I watch all of their games. Kid will be a beast!!!!!
RE: If we pick Rousseau we will never regret it  
Amtoft : 3/29/2021 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15201649 Chris L. said:
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We would have had NO SHOT if he played the season. My son went to Miami. I watch all of their games. Kid will be a beast!!!!!


+1
RE: Chandler Jones ran a 4.77 @ 266lbs  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15201641 Eric on Li said:
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Phillips just ran close to a 4.5 @ 260. He's a tough guy to comp since he can win with both speed and power so I'm not saying Jones is wrong, just that it's hard to find someone totally similar.
gonna be hard to Sind a match with that size/speed/agility.
Watching this pro day  
Professor Falken : 3/29/2021 1:47 pm : link
Rousseau does not look like an explosive edge guy. Phillips does.
RE: RE: RE: Rousseau  
GoDeep13 : 3/29/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15201645 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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4.74

if he was 285/290 you might be able to sell me on Rousseau as a 3-4 DE. Don’t see him fitting this scheme.




That said, why not stand him up in a 3-4?
too stiff. Doesn’t handle playing in space well at all.
Rousseau doesn’t look  
tyrik13 : 3/29/2021 1:49 pm : link
Like an explosive edge a all. He looks like he’s running in quicksand. Mans hips high as hell and his bend isnt there
Just got a shot  
Professor Falken : 3/29/2021 1:51 pm : link
of Judge talking to Little Bill. Whatever Judge said, got a chuckle out of Belichick.
RE: Rousseau doesn’t look  
Amtoft : 3/29/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15201661 tyrik13 said:
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Like an explosive edge a all. He looks like he’s running in quicksand. Mans hips high as hell and his bend isnt there


What are his numbers? No offense to your eyes.
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