As a rookie he had a good season and seemed poised to progress into a very good OG. Instead of progression, each of the last 2 seasons, in my opinion, were marred by regression. Last year was compounded by the COVID diagnosis. I don't discount the residual effects of even a mild case, having gone through it myself and I still experience effects nearly a year later.
Sorry, but I do not remember him having a good rookie season and and being "poised to progress into a very good OG." I remember Gettleman (and others) saying he had a mid-1st round grade, and I also remember a lot of hype about how great he was at the Senior Bowl practices, about how when they were doing lineman drills, Hernandez and BJ Hill were the best OL and DL, respectively. Something about how Hernandez was basically the immovable object, and BJ Hill was the unstoppable force, and then when they squared off it was a fight of gladiators.
So, yeah, I remember all of THAT hype, and then I remember his NFL career actually started and he was never really any good. He shows flashes of being dominant at times in the run game, but has just never been consistent enough to feel comfortable about him as our starter.
He was above average as a rookie and likely their best OL, albeit on a very bad OL.
is the end of the year. I see some people judging him based solely on getting so little playing time. In all honesty, there is a very good chance that had just as much or more to do with residual effects of COVID than anything else.
The offensive line coach situation has been an embarrassment of embarrassments in the time he’s been here. That’s the chief hope I have for him.
Comments like this make me laugh. Are you in the meeting room with these coaches and players? Do you think maybe it’s a lack of talent that’s held the line back? Could it be coaching? Of course. But none of us on this board knows anything about what the line coaches are doing with these guys.
The offensive line coach situation has been an embarrassment of embarrassments in the time he’s been here. That’s the chief hope I have for him.
Comments like this make me laugh. Are you in the meeting room with these coaches and players? Do you think maybe it’s a lack of talent that’s held the line back? Could it be coaching? Of course. But none of us on this board knows anything about what the line coaches are doing with these guys.
Which is precisely why it’s the chief hope I have for him.
What I do know is the Giants had a run of 3 guys at offensive line coach who aren’t employed in the NFL this year. So that’s not been awesome.
This my own opinion as a non expert OL evaluator to the extreme.
No exaggeration in 50+ years of watching the Giants they have never had a guard who is worse at picking up stunts than Hernandez.
For that reason alone my guess it's no coincidence that Thomas played much better with Lemieux next to him than Hernandez.
I'm not a Hernandez Fan, but Lemieux was AWFUL in Pass Protection--- he's the reason that Gates Stands out so much, as Gates saved his ass multiple times. I like Lemieux, for his mobility in space..... but he needs to dramatically improve his Pass protection...or he cannot play.
Lemieux was a rookie playing with no offseason and no preseason
He did very well in the run game. I think the Giants have a lot of young but raw talent on the oline (contrary to the BBI consensus) but Hernandez isn't one of them.
Adding 2 more offensive linemen in this draft. I am warming up to Slater with out first pick, who could play right tackle and Peart be the swing guy, if Peart and Thomas were really good this season he can be kicked inside. I still see them adding a guard also, if they don't go with him in round 1, I still think they will add a tackle and guard. So in this draft I see them adding a tackle, guard, pass rusher, DE/DT type or pure edge rusher, running back, a weapon, whether it's a tight end or wide reciever. Those are the 5 biggest needs. Tackle Guard, Edge, Running Vack, Wideout/Tightend.
Like Willie, I think Lemieux is a better player and has
More promise than the consensus on this thread. Keep in mind that he had no training camp and was put in the lineup in the middle of a set of games against tough defenses and despite this showed he belonged in the NFL.
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As a rookie he had a good season and seemed poised to progress into a very good OG. Instead of progression, each of the last 2 seasons, in my opinion, were marred by regression. Last year was compounded by the COVID diagnosis. I don't discount the residual effects of even a mild case, having gone through it myself and I still experience effects nearly a year later.
Sorry, but I do not remember him having a good rookie season and and being "poised to progress into a very good OG." I remember Gettleman (and others) saying he had a mid-1st round grade, and I also remember a lot of hype about how great he was at the Senior Bowl practices, about how when they were doing lineman drills, Hernandez and BJ Hill were the best OL and DL, respectively. Something about how Hernandez was basically the immovable object, and BJ Hill was the unstoppable force, and then when they squared off it was a fight of gladiators.
So, yeah, I remember all of THAT hype, and then I remember his NFL career actually started and he was never really any good. He shows flashes of being dominant at times in the run game, but has just never been consistent enough to feel comfortable about him as our starter.
Comments like this make me laugh. Are you in the meeting room with these coaches and players? Do you think maybe it’s a lack of talent that’s held the line back? Could it be coaching? Of course. But none of us on this board knows anything about what the line coaches are doing with these guys.
Unfortunately, it looks increasing like another blown DG premium pick. I hope I’m wrong, but we’ll know very soon.
No exaggeration in 50+ years of watching the Giants they have never had a guard who is worse at picking up stunts than Hernandez.
For that reason alone my guess it's no coincidence that Thomas played much better with Lemieux next to him than Hernandez.
Except Lemieux who misses about half of them.....
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This my own opinion as a non expert OL evaluator to the extreme.
No exaggeration in 50+ years of watching the Giants they have never had a guard who is worse at picking up stunts than Hernandez.
For that reason alone my guess it's no coincidence that Thomas played much better with Lemieux next to him than Hernandez.
Except Lemieux who misses about half of them.....
Better than WH who missed ALL of them.
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The offensive line coach situation has been an embarrassment of embarrassments in the time he’s been here. That’s the chief hope I have for him.
Comments like this make me laugh. Are you in the meeting room with these coaches and players? Do you think maybe it’s a lack of talent that’s held the line back? Could it be coaching? Of course. But none of us on this board knows anything about what the line coaches are doing with these guys.
Which is precisely why it’s the chief hope I have for him.
What I do know is the Giants had a run of 3 guys at offensive line coach who aren’t employed in the NFL this year. So that’s not been awesome.
No exaggeration in 50+ years of watching the Giants they have never had a guard who is worse at picking up stunts than Hernandez.
For that reason alone my guess it's no coincidence that Thomas played much better with Lemieux next to him than Hernandez.
I'm not a Hernandez Fan, but Lemieux was AWFUL in Pass Protection--- he's the reason that Gates Stands out so much, as Gates saved his ass multiple times. I like Lemieux, for his mobility in space..... but he needs to dramatically improve his Pass protection...or he cannot play.
Patience, gentlemen, patience.