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GoDeep13 : 4/2/2021 7:38 pm
I apologize for the delay. One of my sources was dealing with a delay. I have two sources I trust when it comes to giants inside info. I generally want to wait within a month of the draft to get more fleshed out details. Here’s what I’ve gathered so far.

- Giants have put most of their research into the EDGE class. There are only 2 guys that would stop them from going EDGE In the 1st round. Kyle Pitts and DeVonta Smith.

- Penn State pro day was more about Oweh than Parsons. Coach Spencer likes Parsons. Thinks he’s a good kid. But he’s be taking on a bit of a “handler” role if they were to draft Parsons. Spencer really likes Oweh. Thinks he’s has a wealth of unlocked potential.

- If one of Giants preferred offensive targets is gone. They’ll look to go EDGE. They would like to trade down to get an EDGE and have had preliminary talks with NE depending on who is available.

- If they settle to pick at 11 and both offensive guys are gone they. Select one of the EDGEs. There doesn’t seem to be a consensus yet but the belief is that Kwity Paye would be the choice because of his versatility standing and hand down. They like his personality fit and how well he takes to coaching. Love that he has a strong run defense game and believe he will grow as a pass rusher.

- if they are able to select one of the offensive weapons their is belief they will trade up from their 2nd round pick to select an EDGE in the back part of the 1st round. (I’m personally thinking this sounds like Engram + 2nd to Buffalo for #30).

- Giants like their OL pieces. Will not go OL in the 1st round unless something unforeseen happens and Penei Sewell is available. Then it’ll be hard for them not to consider. But they don’t see that as likely with the teams selecting in front of them. Belief is round 2 or 3 depending on when EDGE is selected.

- If Giants don’t go WR 1st round look for them to as a developmental piece Day 3.

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If we really are approaching the draft  
English Alaister : 4/2/2021 7:41 pm : link
With such a need driven agenda then this team is screwed.
It all makes sense to me  
Mark from Jersey : 4/2/2021 7:42 pm : link
thanks for sharing.
Thanks, GD  
Big Blue '56 : 4/2/2021 7:42 pm : link
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if you can share  
Giantsfan79 : 4/2/2021 7:44 pm : link
is Oweh and Payne the only edge players they are considering or is the list longer?
I obvi meant  
Giantsfan79 : 4/2/2021 7:45 pm : link
Paye, my bad.
Fits a lot of what I've heard so far  
JonC : 4/2/2021 7:45 pm : link
Smith, Pitts, or Edge if they're gone. I'd heard they love Waddle. Not hearing any OL love early, but could be a factor at #42.
Thank you...  
Big Blue Hokie : 4/2/2021 7:46 pm : link
Thanks for passing along but Paye would be a disappointing.
Great info  
Payasdaddy : 4/2/2021 7:46 pm : link
But if i trade engram, i want a lttle more than moving 12 spots. Would do deal if bills throw in a 3
The Waddle  
Jon in NYC : 4/2/2021 7:47 pm : link
info a huge difference. He's likely to be there, if they love him he's the guy and they probably trade up for an EDGE from the 2nd.
Pitts  
bc4life : 4/2/2021 7:48 pm : link
at 11?
TY....seems to follow the strength of draft  
George from PA : 4/2/2021 7:49 pm : link
I felt Edge was a key target...and talent is there

Would love Oweh with a trade down....

Even the trade up, including Engram makes sense
RE: Fits a lot of what I've heard so far  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/2/2021 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15207549 JonC said:
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Smith, Pitts, or Edge if they're gone. I'd heard they love Waddle. Not hearing any OL love early, but could be a factor at #42.


One of them should be there no?
I'm  
AcidTest : 4/2/2021 7:52 pm : link
fine with Pitts, Smith, or Waddle at #11.

I don't want an EDGE at #11. I'd prefer to trade down and take one in the mid to late teens. I am OK trading #42 and Engram to get back into the first round to do so.
RE: If we really are approaching the draft  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/2/2021 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15207537 English Alaister said:
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With such a need driven agenda then this team is screwed.


I’m a BPA enthusiast and love hearing that it’s Pitts or Smith if available

However, if you think there’s a big drop off what’s the problem with addressing needs at appropriate spots as long as you are doing due dillegence for an appropriate trade down? That’s what’s being discussed here.
Paye is like literally the LAST guy I would want  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/2/2021 7:56 pm : link
I really hope one of the WR options drops to save us from ourselves. They are way to caught up with the physical measurables with this kid. Another Rashan Gary and even if he develops its probably going to take a couple years
RE: if you can share  
GoDeep13 : 4/2/2021 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15207544 Giantsfan79 said:
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is Oweh and Payne the only edge players they are considering or is the list longer?
they like something about all the EDGEs. They haven’t made their mind up yet. Phillips’s Pro Day was big in his evaluation. They liked the refinement of his game. The big thing about the 1st round pick is that they want them to be a quick contributor. They are trying to be competitive now. So guys who have missed a year, guys who are too raw to contribute, will be looked over. So Phillips is still very much in consideration.
Is Pitts worth  
bc4life : 4/2/2021 7:57 pm : link
the 11th pick?
I love reading all this and this is clear the organization knows what  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/2/2021 7:57 pm : link
it’s doing again. All this attention to detail and gaming scenarios has Judge written all over it. Want to be prepared as possible.
RE: Is Pitts worth  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/2/2021 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15207573 bc4life said:
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the 11th pick?


Yes.
Geez, if they really settled on an edge  
Bill L : 4/2/2021 8:05 pm : link
They better trade down a lot and get more picks. Drafting one at 11 should get them fired immediately.
Do they not like  
darren in pdx : 4/2/2021 8:05 pm : link
Slater at all or are they convinced he won’t be available?
I’ve seen Paye. Mocked into the second  
Bill L : 4/2/2021 8:05 pm : link
Somewhere.
I've heard speculation that Pitts  
bc4life : 4/2/2021 8:06 pm : link
will probably go to Jets or Atlanta
not a fan of Paye  
BigBlueCane : 4/2/2021 8:07 pm : link
would rather the PSU DE but otherwise that's fine.
RE: Do they not like  
GoDeep13 : 4/2/2021 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15207591 darren in pdx said:
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Slater at all or are they convinced he won’t be available?
From what I’m guessing, they don’t think they need to spend a 1st round pick to get a good enough talent to complete the line.
RE: I've heard speculation that Pitts  
GoDeep13 : 4/2/2021 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15207597 bc4life said:
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will probably go to Jets or Atlanta
Atlanta I could see.
Excellent intel...  
bw in dc : 4/2/2021 8:11 pm : link
It's always fun to read these insights.

Really disappointing, however, to hear Paye and Oweh could be the targets at #11.

Both are absolute remote smashers because those picks would feel completely forced to fill a need.
RE: RE: Is Pitts worth  
Mark from Jersey : 4/2/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15207581 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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the 11th pick?



Yes.
Yes
RE: I've heard speculation that Pitts  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/2/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15207597 bc4life said:
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will probably go to Jets or Atlanta


Jets pass on Wilson?
#42  
AcidTest : 4/2/2021 8:13 pm : link
and Engram may not be enough to allow them to trade back into the first round to get an EDGE. Oweh, Paye, Rousseau, Phillips, and Ojulari may all be gone before #25. No interest in Phillips because of his concussion history.
sounds to me like they're trying to force and EDGE pick out of need  
GiantsFan84 : 4/2/2021 8:14 pm : link
and that's not a good sign
RE: RE: I've heard speculation that Pitts  
Mark from Jersey : 4/2/2021 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15207607 GoDeep13 said:
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will probably go to Jets or Atlanta

Atlanta I could see.
Me too. Julio is not getting any younger. Only way I don't seem them taking Pitts TBH is either 1) one of the QBs fall & they start grooming Matty Ice's replacement or 2) Chase is there (somehow) and they like him over Pitts. Its highly probably he doesnt make it past Atlanta.
RE: #42  
Mark from Jersey : 4/2/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15207618 AcidTest said:
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and Engram may not be enough to allow them to trade back into the first round to get an EDGE. Oweh, Paye, Rousseau, Phillips, and Ojulari may all be gone before #25. No interest in Phillips because of his concussion history.
If we stay on 42 I like Ossai from Texas the best for prospects with an average grade in the 40's.
Garafolo was on The Huddle podcast  
aimrocky : 4/2/2021 8:17 pm : link
This week and guessed Gettelman goes with a “measurables” guy in the 1st. His guess was Rousseau. I’m guessing that’s why the buzz isn’t there with Slater.
RE: sounds to me like they're trying to force and EDGE pick out of need  
bw in dc : 4/2/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15207621 GiantsFan84 said:
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and that's not a good sign


Precisely.
This seems to fit  
GiantsRage2007 : 4/2/2021 8:17 pm : link
DG's MO

Not trading down but rather trading up.

Take the offensive weapon (pitts/waddle/smith) at 11 then get back into Rd1 for the edge.



Ossai  
Mark from Jersey : 4/2/2021 8:17 pm : link
to clarify, EDGE players I like him the best for players that could be picked at 42.
Great information  
KDavies : 4/2/2021 8:20 pm : link
Fine with that line of thinking
I wonder how Smith  
bc4life : 4/2/2021 8:21 pm : link
will hold up in the NFL? Very thin and I don't think he's going to get a lot bigger.
Kwity Paye getting a little bit of that Dan Jones draft treatment  
ghost718 : 4/2/2021 8:22 pm : link
That's gotta be good for his career
Great Info  
US1 Giants : 4/2/2021 8:22 pm : link
If you have the info then other teams likely also know. Really disappointed that the Giants can't keep this info private.
RE: It all makes sense to me  
Del Shofner : 4/2/2021 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15207538 Mark from Jersey said:
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thanks for sharing.


This.
RE: I wonder how Smith  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/2/2021 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15207645 bc4life said:
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will hold up in the NFL? Very thin and I don't think he's going to get a lot bigger.


Same build as Marvin Harrison no?
RE: RE: I wonder how Smith  
Mark from Jersey : 4/2/2021 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15207654 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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will hold up in the NFL? Very thin and I don't think he's going to get a lot bigger.



Same build as Marvin Harrison no?
Great video about Waddle & Smith in the link below. They talk about Smith's size quite a bit. He is kind of an anomaly as far as his measurables go. Start at 1:50
Link - ( New Window )
Can we stop with the size issue?  
robbieballs2003 : 4/2/2021 8:29 pm : link
Show me the stats that smaller WRs get injured more than bigger WRs. You can't even breathe on WRs anymore. Concussion don't discriminate on size. I know plenty of bigger players that get hurt all the time. Most injuries today seem like non-contact injuries. Those don't discriminate based on size either. So what is the concern?
Thanks for the info.......  
Simms11 : 4/2/2021 8:30 pm : link
It’s always nice to get asshat info.
Thanks for the link  
bc4life : 4/2/2021 8:31 pm : link
Wasn't a rhetorical question. I just think about how Slayton has issues getting off press coverage. And, getting knocked around in 17 game season. At Bama it was pick your poison - in NFL, he will get more attention. Again, I don't know - helluva player, but his frame caught my attention.

Waddle is faster with more meat on his bones
robbie  
Mark from Jersey : 4/2/2021 8:31 pm : link
I agree with you. The video I link just above mentions he is being dinged because "he will struggle against press coverage due to his size" is just lazy scouting. The author watched his routes for the pass two year against press and says it not an issue and, in fact, he is actually pretty good at beating it.
RE: RE: #42  
AcidTest : 4/2/2021 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15207628 Mark from Jersey said:
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and Engram may not be enough to allow them to trade back into the first round to get an EDGE. Oweh, Paye, Rousseau, Phillips, and Ojulari may all be gone before #25. No interest in Phillips because of his concussion history.

If we stay on 42 I like Ossai from Texas the best for prospects with an average grade in the 40's.


I'm fine with Ossai at #42. He's got a relentless motor, and is an explosive pass rusher with some nice moves.
robbie - maybe you're right  
bc4life : 4/2/2021 8:32 pm : link
on a side note, despite all the talk about not being able to touch wrs - I saw an awful lot of holding last year w/o flags
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