I apologize for the delay. One of my sources was dealing with a delay. I have two sources I trust when it comes to giants inside info. I generally want to wait within a month of the draft to get more fleshed out details. Here’s what I’ve gathered so far.
- Giants have put most of their research into the EDGE class. There are only 2 guys that would stop them from going EDGE In the 1st round. Kyle Pitts and DeVonta Smith.
- Penn State pro day was more about Oweh than Parsons. Coach Spencer likes Parsons. Thinks he’s a good kid. But he’s be taking on a bit of a “handler” role if they were to draft Parsons. Spencer really likes Oweh. Thinks he’s has a wealth of unlocked potential.
- If one of Giants preferred offensive targets is gone. They’ll look to go EDGE. They would like to trade down to get an EDGE and have had preliminary talks with NE depending on who is available.
- If they settle to pick at 11 and both offensive guys are gone they. Select one of the EDGEs. There doesn’t seem to be a consensus yet but the belief is that Kwity Paye would be the choice because of his versatility standing and hand down. They like his personality fit and how well he takes to coaching. Love that he has a strong run defense game and believe he will grow as a pass rusher.
- if they are able to select one of the offensive weapons their is belief they will trade up from their 2nd round pick to select an EDGE in the back part of the 1st round. (I’m personally thinking this sounds like Engram + 2nd to Buffalo for #30).
- Giants like their OL pieces. Will not go OL in the 1st round unless something unforeseen happens and Penei Sewell is available. Then it’ll be hard for them not to consider. But they don’t see that as likely with the teams selecting in front of them. Belief is round 2 or 3 depending on when EDGE is selected.
- If Giants don’t go WR 1st round look for them to as a developmental piece Day 3.
I have said on a few threads, a friend who is a big U Mich alum(captain of the team) said Paye and Gary are NOT alike. Paye is much better and would do really well with hard coaching (he specifically said a Belichick type coach). I was totally against Paye, but he knows his football, and looking at Paye he may be perfect opposite LW.
I think either Smith, Waddle, or Pitts will be there @ 11. Pitts...most likely of the 3 gone.
1) Pitts and Smith are gone. (I guess they don't think Chase will be there in any event. That's not impossible though.)
2) No trading partner to move down.
3) Must draft a player they don't think is worth #11.
That could totally happen if they think that the Edge prospects like Rousseau, Paye and Ojulari are worth more like 15-20, they're going to be stuck.
I thought the knock on Paye for the Giants was that he was a 4-3 end, who only played from a 3-point stance. I guess not.
Personally, I don't much care who they draft or what position. Just win, baby.
I can see the concern with RBs, TEs, OL, DL, and LB. Basically anyone that is going to take a repeated beating play in and play out. If you are at a strength, weight, size disadvantage where you put yourself in vulnerable positions then I can totally buy that. I mean look at Eli in his career. He took big hit after big hit but never exposed himself to lower body injuries. Every player is unique.
But when it comes to WRs I don't see the problem. People bring up Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison also fell to the ground whenever a defender was within 5 yards of him. He knew how to protect himself. Smith is so elusive that he doesn't take hits. Maybe he can takes hits and maybe he can't. But I am not downgrading him or having concerns when he hasn't had those issues.
If there is one thing we have learned over this last decade, under both Reese and now Gettleman, there should be no reason to feel good about the OL until there is real evidence that it is actually good.
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Giants like their OL pieces. Will not go OL in the 1st round unless something unforeseen happens and Penei Sewell is available.
If there is one thing we have learned over this last decade, under both Reese and now Gettleman, there should be no reason to feel good about the OL until there is real evidence that it is actually good.
Yes that is a very disparaging quote. Giants think they can just 'coach' up what they have. Give me a break if true.
Hope someone drops so we don't end up going Paye.
Think Thomas will be fine and Lemiueux grows into the job. I think Peart is going to be a realy good test re:their eye for OL talent
IMHO, this is a very average EDGE class with a lot of "boom or bust" prospects.
I do like Phillips but his medical history scares the crap out of me.
I do think one of Smith or Waddle will be available at number 11.
They must still like Will Hernandez as a starter at OG.Lemieux is awful in pass protection...look out Jones!!!
This OL is not settled as far as I am concerned.
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I really hope one of the WR options drops to save us from ourselves. They are way to caught up with the physical measurables with this kid. Another Rashan Gary and even if he develops its probably going to take a couple years
I have said on a few threads, a friend who is a big U Mich alum(captain of the team) said Paye and Gary are NOT alike. Paye is much better and would do really well with hard coaching (he specifically said a Belichick type coach). I was totally against Paye, but he knows his football, and looking at Paye he may be perfect opposite LW.
You can't always coach someone into being great. Especially a pass rusher. They have to have natural God given ability to do it. I don't think Paye will bust in terms of being a legit NFL player but he won't be close to BPA when we pick.
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Slater at all or are they convinced he won’t be available?
From what I’m guessing, they don’t think they need to spend a 1st round pick to get a good enough talent to complete the line.
That’s pretty arrogant of them, considering what happene with Hernandez.
Then "need" is a tiebreaker
Paye isn't that bad of a prospect.
a trade down to get him would be ideal.
Then we have 15, 42, 76 and 96.
3 picks on Friday night. Would love that.
Then we have 15, 42, 76 and 96.
3 picks on Friday night. Would love that.
If the QB drops they'll give us quite a bit more especially if there is competition for the pick.
This.
The Giants first pick must be one of these six players. Even if only four quarterbacks are selected, Parsons or Surtain will likely be a top ten pick.
Edge is a reach at eleven. Would be classic Giants to bypass Josh Allen in 2019, then win a meaningless game against Washington so as to lose Chase Young in 2020 and then reach for an edge defender in 2021 who will only be marginally better than someone they can get in the second round.
Hopefully this post is just pre-draft subterfuge.
Bingo. Hopefully one of the value guys is there and they don't force a subpar edge.
Then we have 15, 42, 76 and 96.
3 picks on Friday night. Would love that.
This would be ideal. But it is virtually certain that five quarterbacks are going in the top ten.
Above everything I like hearing about the trade down possibility. More smoke that Gettleman's approach of falling in full bloom love may be in the past.
Trading down and staying out of the top of the FA market is, over the course of years, good policy.
"Reach" is a term...that has a false meaning.
Bottomline.... draft great players
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Giants like their OL pieces. Will not go OL in the 1st round unless something unforeseen happens and Penei Sewell is available.
If there is one thing we have learned over this last decade, under both Reese and now Gettleman, there should be no reason to feel good about the OL until there is real evidence that it is actually good.
Yes that is a very disparaging quote. Giants think they can just 'coach' up what they have. Give me a break if true.
Hope someone drops so we don't end up going Paye.
I hear you.
At this point, you have to hitch yourself to Judge's wagon and hope he can actually fix EVERYTHING.
Then we have 15, 42, 76 and 96.
3 picks on Friday night. Would love that.
The trade down with New England has felt like a very possible scenario for a while now, interesting to see that being backed up as real by one of our “insiders”.
If the team is really focused on an Edge rusher, hopefully the QB the Pats wants falls to the Giants pick and a trade down happens. Paye/Ojulari/Phillips/Rousseau/etc. would all feel better as picks if they were drafted at 15 via a trade down.
Above everything I like hearing about the trade down possibility. More smoke that Gettleman's approach of falling in full bloom love may be in the past.
Trading down and staying out of the top of the FA market is, over the course of years, good policy.
Agreed, If by some miracle both Smith and Pitts are on the board at 11 nobody can say that they are a need pick. Yes they would both fill a need but they deserve to go earlier than 11. If Pitts, Sewell, Smith, Chase, and Waddle are off the board at 11 then I hope the Giants trade down and then select a pass rusher. NE is an ideal spot especially if they receive a 2nd round pick for moving down.
It sucks that Jaelan Phillips has the concussion concerns because he is such a great prospect IMO. I hope that the Giants get lucky and he falls to 42 while the Giants come away with Smith or Pitts at 11.
The NE drop down spot also makes sense.
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will probably go to Jets or Atlanta
Jets pass on Wilson?
I know everyone and their mother has Jets taking Wilson but I have a hard time seeing it unless they trade Darnold before the draft.
Darnold still has trade value, that value plummets if they draft Wilson and Darnold is still on the team. They take a $9 million hit cutting him, roughly half that if they can trade him.
For a man his size, he’s got a sudden quickness and speed to round the corner. Strength to man the middle, as well as bull rush the OTs. A hell of a motor. Remind me of a quicker, faster Tuck
If it comes to that, sign me up!!!
Lol. Ok
Not buying it.....but that’s just me.
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will probably go to Jets or Atlanta
Jets pass on Wilson?
I know everyone and their mother has Jets taking Wilson but I have a hard time seeing it unless they trade Darnold before the draft.
Darnold still has trade value, that value plummets if they draft Wilson and Darnold is still on the team. They take a $9 million hit cutting him, roughly half that if they can trade him.
You don't pass on what you believe is a franchise QB because of Darnold. And, no, his value doesn't plummet. It is already low. This isn't Rosen where he had 4 years of control left. This is Darnold who has one year left and a decision needs to be made this year on his 5th year option which would be insane to pick up. Right now Darnold's value is at best a third. None of this matters if Wilson is your guy.
I could get behind a trio of drafts where we could hit three spots. Say Paye, TE Friermuth in Round 2, and OG Banks in Round 3?
Jet's are taking Wilson and I see a quarterback going to Atlanta as well.
Im with this. Given how Oweh's pro day went went and the Chaos connection, I would be more into taking him than Paye.
But these coaches see coachable traits and know ehat they are wat hing far better than we do. But Oweh has always been intriguing. With a trade down he is ideal, but could see us seeing him as the BPA at 11.
Thenwewould hear the usual suspects say he was overdrafted for 2 years until he hit double digit sacks.