I apologize for the delay. One of my sources was dealing with a delay. I have two sources I trust when it comes to giants inside info. I generally want to wait within a month of the draft to get more fleshed out details. Here’s what I’ve gathered so far.
- Giants have put most of their research into the EDGE class. There are only 2 guys that would stop them from going EDGE In the 1st round. Kyle Pitts and DeVonta Smith.
- Penn State pro day was more about Oweh than Parsons. Coach Spencer likes Parsons. Thinks he’s a good kid. But he’s be taking on a bit of a “handler” role if they were to draft Parsons. Spencer really likes Oweh. Thinks he’s has a wealth of unlocked potential.
- If one of Giants preferred offensive targets is gone. They’ll look to go EDGE. They would like to trade down to get an EDGE and have had preliminary talks with NE depending on who is available.
- If they settle to pick at 11 and both offensive guys are gone they. Select one of the EDGEs. There doesn’t seem to be a consensus yet but the belief is that Kwity Paye would be the choice because of his versatility standing and hand down. They like his personality fit and how well he takes to coaching. Love that he has a strong run defense game and believe he will grow as a pass rusher.
- if they are able to select one of the offensive weapons their is belief they will trade up from their 2nd round pick to select an EDGE in the back part of the 1st round. (I’m personally thinking this sounds like Engram + 2nd to Buffalo for #30).
- Giants like their OL pieces. Will not go OL in the 1st round unless something unforeseen happens and Penei Sewell is available. Then it’ll be hard for them not to consider. But they don’t see that as likely with the teams selecting in front of them. Belief is round 2 or 3 depending on when EDGE is selected.
- If Giants don’t go WR 1st round look for them to as a developmental piece Day 3.
Doesnt fit our team at all. He would play the same position as peppers.
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I really hope one of the WR options drops to save us from ourselves. They are way to caught up with the physical measurables with this kid. Another Rashan Gary and even if he develops its probably going to take a couple years
I have said on a few threads, a friend who is a big U Mich alum(captain of the team) said Paye and Gary are NOT alike. Paye is much better and would do really well with hard coaching (he specifically said a Belichick type coach). I was totally against Paye, but he knows his football, and looking at Paye he may be perfect opposite LW.
Even Sy tweeted Paye is one of the 5 best non-QBs in the class. I think he's very high on Paye. Also, I heard Paye was used in the wrong scheme in Michigan and that's why he's production was low.
Rashan Gary had similar production at Michigan and really started to come on late in his second season and into the playoffs with the Packers. I think he’s due for a big year coming up.
He and Parsons were the class of 2018. Parsons was a 5 star recruit ranked in the top ten of most boards. And Oweh was a 4 star recruit ranked around 90-100.
Here is the ESPN write up on Oweh's weaknesses:
WEAKNESSES: Still raw and needs to continue to watch pad level and develop technique. Shows flashes but needs to improve get-off.
Honestly, I don't think much has changed. He's still a dynamic athlete but he is still very raw and isn't very productive. So it's a real stretch to even imagine taking such a project at #11...
Correct. Trey Flowers.
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will probably go to Jets or Atlanta
Jets pass on Wilson?
I know everyone and their mother has Jets taking Wilson but I have a hard time seeing it unless they trade Darnold before the draft.
Darnold still has trade value, that value plummets if they draft Wilson and Darnold is still on the team. They take a $9 million hit cutting him, roughly half that if they can trade him.
You don't pass on what you believe is a franchise QB because of Darnold. And, no, his value doesn't plummet. It is already low. This isn't Rosen where he had 4 years of control left. This is Darnold who has one year left and a decision needs to be made this year on his 5th year option which would be insane to pick up. Right now Darnold's value is at best a third. None of this matters if Wilson is your guy.
I didn't say he had high value to begin with, but you're not getting a third for him after you draft Wilson hence his value plummets. There is no benefit to keeping him on the roster at this point if you're set on Wilson. Get what you can and move on.
And why can't Darnold stay on the roster? Optics? Who cares? If the Jets are only getting like a 5th round pick as an offer now then you hold onto him for a year, let him leave via FA, and collect a comp pick. Wilson may take time to develop.
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Would anyone want Engram for a second rounder? I have my doubts due to being unsure of how much the Giants would want a tight end who can’t block or catch.
no way. At most Engram may garner a late 3rd
At best.
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Would anyone want Engram for a second rounder? I have my doubts due to being unsure of how much the Giants would want a tight end who can’t block or catch.
no way. At most Engram may garner a late 3rd
But trading Engram AND a pick to more back into the end of the 1st wouldbe worth the listen. Imagine getting an EDGE at 11 and a guy like Terrace Marshall at 30. Draft Tommy Tremble in the 4th andlets go to work.
That's good stuff. I like the guy narrating that too.
Ojulari
Phillips
would even take a chance on a raw guy like Rousseau
Don't get me wrong Paye looks like a energy guy that plays hard but I don't see much production or elite pass rushing skills.
Like Phillips has big time pass rushing potential he just needs to be cleared medically and I would 100% take the risk on that then someone that just doesn't get to the QB even when he's healthy.
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Will Fries, #71, the RT for PSU, is, and I'll be kind, an ordinary OL. And Rasheed Walker, #53, the LT, is very young and maybe average right now. The entire PSU OL was horrible this past year.
OSU has much better talent at the bookends in that game in 2019. And they pretty much held Paye in check.
And why can't Darnold stay on the roster? Optics? Who cares? If the Jets are only getting like a 5th round pick as an offer now then you hold onto him for a year, let him leave via FA, and collect a comp pick. Wilson may take time to develop.
100% right. Why can't Darnold and Wilson be on the same team? Feelings? Optics? Competition is good. These are warriors. Competition should bring out the best in them. If it doesn't they shouldn't be in this league.
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Will Fries, #71, the RT for PSU, is, and I'll be kind, an ordinary OL. And Rasheed Walker, #53, the LT, is very young and maybe average right now. The entire PSU OL was horrible this past year.
OSU has much better talent at the bookends in that game in 2019. And they pretty much held Paye in check.
I agree. I have been trying to find games on YouTube and nothing. I remember there used to be a website nfldraftbreakdown.com that used to have all game breakdowns. It was great. I guess if is a copyright thing now so there is limited video out there.
Paye just isn't that elite. Just as Thomas isn't that elite. Just as Jones isn't that elite and just as taking a rb 2nd overall isn't an elite selection.
We're building our team to some terrific mediocrity.
For a man his size, he’s got a sudden quickness and speed to round the corner. Strength to man the middle, as well as bull rush the OTs. A hell of a motor. Remind me of a quicker, faster Tuck
If it comes to that, sign me up!!!
If his size and athleticism is as good as you say then why didn't he have better production going against other college players?
Ojulari
Phillips
would even take a chance on a raw guy like Rousseau
Don't get me wrong Paye looks like a energy guy that plays hard but I don't see much production or elite pass rushing skills.
Like Phillips has big time pass rushing potential he just needs to be cleared medically and I would 100% take the risk on that then someone that just doesn't get to the QB even when he's healthy.
Yes at least Phillips has natural rush talent.
Phillips has better potential to be sidelined with concussions...We whine about Shepard's chances of being lost to IR and yet people want to draft a guy with a history of concussions. That is too high a risk for a 1st rounder. At #42 it would be different. Not doubting his talent, but this is a guy that stopped playing football on his own because of injury concerns.
I would rather the steady solid performer in round 1 that will be on the field more likely with a very good chance of getting better at the rush and he is not chopped liver, either.
I don't think missing out on one of the highest-ranked WR's in the 1st Round would be a mortal blow. It seems to me that they should be able to find a good WR prospect later on. Same for an IOL if they choose to go that route.
Good point about defending the edge in the running game. Pats usually have this as a very important position; Willie McGinest who comes to mind. I think one of the additions in FA may help with this role.
For a man his size, he’s got a sudden quickness and speed to round the corner. Strength to man the middle, as well as bull rush the OTs. A hell of a motor. Remind me of a quicker, faster Tuck
If it comes to that, sign me up!!!
You think people don't like him because his name does not sound like an NFL star's name? What?
People don't like him because his college production is garbage.
Phillips has had too many concussions. Rousseau opted out and basically has one year of production. Oweh is to raw. #11 is too early for Ojulari IMO.
But I think it's moot because one of their receiving targets (Pitts, Waddle, or Smith) is likely to be available.
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That's why management gets the big bucks. Pick the right one.
I understand those are ifs, but there are a possibility. If that is all true, the one major thing this team is missing is an edge that can get to the passer on their own. Imagine if our secondary as good as it could be and we can get to the QB with 3 or 4 players.
So that being said, the chances of finding a rookie impact edge past round 2 is very slim. If you want impact this year, most of the time it is coming from round 1 or 2. It makes sense that the Giants expect to go after an edge talent in 1 or 2 and that if they go offense with pick one that they would be aggressive trying to get their edge with the next pick. If we do not get an edge with pick 1 or 2, the chance of a rookie impact edge will be more luck than anything.
As far as the actual players, I have no idea, but since I am all in with Judge I will be excited with who they go with. I believe in the vision Judge has for the team and trust the player they go with.
If something doesn't seem credible to you, trust your instincts. It's healthy to treat asshattery with a grain of salt.
I have a feeling only 4 of the QBs go in front of us but drafts are weird. Who saw Clelin Ferrell going 4 to the Raiders 2 years ago?
It's really hard to get an Edge in FA. The last high edge picked was JPP. I'm not counting 3rd rd players.
They are over due for one. The thing is, how important in this defense is that.
Has it been tight lipped? I think GoDeep (or one of the other asshats on this board) had the Andrew Thomas pick last year, I made money betting on him based on the tip from this board. I also think it was GoDeep that called the McKinney pick before Day 2 of the draft last year.
It was also pretty well known prior to the trade deadline last year that the team liked Kenny Golladay and would make a run at him during free agency if they weren't able to trade for him.
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It doesn't.
Personally I'm not a fan of Paye, I do think Oweh or the Texas DE might be better...
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Watch this video on him setting the edge. I can 100% question our ability to set an edge right now with our current defenders. Right now that is the biggest weakness of our defense imo. Link - ( New Window )
FWIW...
Will Fries, #71, the RT for PSU, is, and I'll be kind, an ordinary OL. And Rasheed Walker, #53, the LT, is very young and maybe average right now. The entire PSU OL was horrible this past year.
OSU has much better talent at the bookends in that game in 2019. And they pretty much held Paye in check.
I agree. I have been trying to find games on YouTube and nothing. I remember there used to be a website nfldraftbreakdown.com that used to have all game breakdowns. It was great. I guess if is a copyright thing now so there is limited video out there.
I stumbled on something the other day on Paye that was interesting. I'll see if I can dig it up.
I'm not real thrilled with Smith being there. Seems like a nice pick in the lower part of round 1 (at best). Will have several productive years but will never achieve the greatness he displayed last season at Alabama. I think he's a number 2 receiver in the NFL, not a guy you pick at 1.11.
He said Gettleman was going to step down/retire. Flat out stated it was going to happen.