I apologize for the delay. One of my sources was dealing with a delay. I have two sources I trust when it comes to giants inside info. I generally want to wait within a month of the draft to get more fleshed out details. Here’s what I’ve gathered so far.
- Giants have put most of their research into the EDGE class. There are only 2 guys that would stop them from going EDGE In the 1st round. Kyle Pitts and DeVonta Smith.
- Penn State pro day was more about Oweh than Parsons. Coach Spencer likes Parsons. Thinks he’s a good kid. But he’s be taking on a bit of a “handler” role if they were to draft Parsons. Spencer really likes Oweh. Thinks he’s has a wealth of unlocked potential.
- If one of Giants preferred offensive targets is gone. They’ll look to go EDGE. They would like to trade down to get an EDGE and have had preliminary talks with NE depending on who is available.
- If they settle to pick at 11 and both offensive guys are gone they. Select one of the EDGEs. There doesn’t seem to be a consensus yet but the belief is that Kwity Paye would be the choice because of his versatility standing and hand down. They like his personality fit and how well he takes to coaching. Love that he has a strong run defense game and believe he will grow as a pass rusher.
- if they are able to select one of the offensive weapons their is belief they will trade up from their 2nd round pick to select an EDGE in the back part of the 1st round. (I’m personally thinking this sounds like Engram + 2nd to Buffalo for #30).
- Giants like their OL pieces. Will not go OL in the 1st round unless something unforeseen happens and Penei Sewell is available. Then it’ll be hard for them not to consider. But they don’t see that as likely with the teams selecting in front of them. Belief is round 2 or 3 depending on when EDGE is selected.
- If Giants don’t go WR 1st round look for them to as a developmental piece Day 3.
It's not that information flows freely...
Ross was always trying to show people his intelligence and leaked
He said Gettleman was going to step down/retire. Flat out stated it was going to happen.
Am I 100%? No. Things do end up changing. I was wrong about Gettleman being out after this season. But it’s obvious with the direction we took in FA that he was given an ultimatum heading into this season.
Do you have any knowledge of who from the Giants attended yesterdays Pro Days (Oregon and Tulsa to see Collins)?
Guy sets the edge and has a lot of upside as a pass rusher tbh. Even if he doesn't hit that, he's an instant starter, and great fit for what we do defensively.
I like hearing a lot it's Pitts, Smith and then Paye. I know a lot of people won't like hearing this, but he reminds me a lot of Olivier Vernon. Vernon wouldn't nearly be as hated here if he wasn't paid ridiculous money and started getting injuries out of nowhere.
Do you have any knowledge of who from the Giants attended yesterdays Pro Days (Oregon and Tulsa to see Collins)?
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GoDeep - but this same guy posts this level of detail before the draft every year and has been very wrong in recent years.
He said Gettleman was going to step down/retire. Flat out stated it was going to happen.
Not to toot my own horn in past years but I was the one that posted about the Giants interest in Leonard Floyd in the 2016 draft on the Main Giants message board that was on Giants.com (still probably the one time I will I may have KINDA screwed us). I was also the first to post about how Gettleman fell in love with Daniel Jones (a post I was told to delete by my source). These sources also told me it was down to an OT between Wirfs and Thomas last year. My mocks do suck though because I only ever have an idea about what the Giants want to do and can’t really gauge other teams.
Am I 100%? No. Things do end up changing. I was wrong about Gettleman being out after this season. But it’s obvious with the direction we took in FA that he was given an ultimatum heading into this season.
Yeah dude, don't sweat it. People don't understand that things are fluid. Been on this board a long time and your information is clearly the most accurate and generally tracks with the overall orginization's thinking imo.
If what you are saying is true this year, it gives me really high fucking hopes for the future.
Not sure where he’ll shake out. Apparently they haven’t finished their evaluation off him yet. But I like him as the most complete LB in the draft. I’d be ecstatic with Collins. Even at 11.
This would be sweet music to my ears ...a complete player.
Fact is you have a bunch of edges - Paye, Phillips, Rousseau, Ojulari, Collins etc - who are all pretty close. I know your source downplayed it a little - and if there is going to be any misinfo from the Giants this might be it - but I keep looking at Parsons when I do mocks. Just about everyone I talk to around the league will say quite unequivocably that he is THE best defensive player in this draft. And more than one has said second isn't even close. And i find it hard to believe that Judge didn't go to Happy Valley to see and meet for a up-close-and-personal perspective Parsons to find out for himself.
Time will tell.
Fact is you have a bunch of edges - Paye, Phillips, Rousseau, Ojulari, Collins etc - who are all pretty close. I know your source downplayed it a little - and if there is going to be any misinfo from the Giants this might be it - but I keep looking at Parsons when I do mocks. Just about everyone I talk to around the league will say quite unequivocably that he is THE best defensive player in this draft. And more than one has said second isn't even close. And i find it hard to believe that Judge didn't go to Happy Valley to see and meet for a up-close-and-personal perspective Parsons to find out for himself.
Time will tell.
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Will Fries, #71, the RT for PSU, is, and I'll be kind, an ordinary OL. And Rasheed Walker, #53, the LT, is very young and maybe average right now. The entire PSU OL was horrible this past year.
Sad as it might be, Fries will probably get picked on day 3. Goes to show you how little good depth there is with OL in the current NFL.
Normally the guys I've seen play in HS I am biased towards, however after watching film on him, he leans too much as opposed to keeping his feet moving when trying to re-establish leverage. Hand placement isn't bad, but lacks "pop". For his size (not as wide as he looks in pads, almost looks "lean"), one would think his feet would be quicker.
That's why management gets the big bucks. Pick the right one.
p.s.--I prefer Rousseau, but what the hell do I know compared to people who watch film all day and have access to zoom interviews, medical records, and college coaches.
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Very interesting info GoDeep. It does seem to confirm what the Giants have been doing in the field these days in that just about all,if not all, the top prospects at the pro days their senior people have been attending are defensive front seven players. To me maybe the most interesting note you make is that while Paye is the guy mentioned there is still no real consensus. And that may be reinforced by the fact they appear to be willing to deal down. If they had a conviction on Paye then I doubt they would be thinking of moving down as there is a real chance he could be gone even by 15.
Fact is you have a bunch of edges - Paye, Phillips, Rousseau, Ojulari, Collins etc - who are all pretty close. I know your source downplayed it a little - and if there is going to be any misinfo from the Giants this might be it - but I keep looking at Parsons when I do mocks. Just about everyone I talk to around the league will say quite unequivocably that he is THE best defensive player in this draft. And more than one has said second isn't even close. And i find it hard to believe that Judge didn't go to Happy Valley to see and meet for a up-close-and-personal perspective Parsons to find out for himself.
Time will tell.
yep. Went back last night to watch other evalutions and videos on Paye again and I noticed something that I’m taking as a sign at Paye’s pro day. Fast forward to the Bench press and look what you see. Kwity Paye Pro Day - ( New Window )
GD masks. Its looks like it might be Kyle O'Brien to me. Whoever it is he's getting a very god look. Actually shows up in the vertical too getting a real close-up look.
I understand those are ifs, but there are a possibility. If that is all true, the one major thing this team is missing is an edge that can get to the passer on their own. Imagine if our secondary as good as it could be and we can get to the QB with 3 or 4 players.
Here's the catch and I'll use OL as an example: If you draft Slater for guard, and assuming everyone is right about RT being okay, you've just assured Giants of a running game. And if you have a running game - it means Jones will have time to pass. And now that they have a number 1 WR - their offense should be good.
And as for defense- you get your two best DL back, you added a little pass rush by getting two other OLB's back from injury and a FA pickup, and another FA pickup as ILB as a probable improvement to what they had. Along with you got a number 2 corner. And you have McKinney back for a full year. As a result your defense as of this moment should be at least as good (conservatively) as last year. And now you trade up for an Edge - haven’t you possibly made your team stronger overall because now your offense instead of being filled with as many "maybes" is a bit more assured of being good while still maintaining a good defense?
Slater is good enough to ensure your offense will be to a certain pretty good standard while now we have to hope two guard spots are okay. And you should prefer to try to win with balance rather be "very strong" say at defense and be just "decent" with offense, right? Try to achieve being good at both.
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With the uncertainty surrounding Carter and Ximines, it's easy to see why the Giants would be looking for a top-tier ER/OLB in this draft. I hope they can trade down and still get their man.
I agree getting an effective ER is a needed piece for the d. However, I am twofold confused: 1/I thought consensus is that this is a weak draft year for ER (i.e., don't push NEED to the center of the table); and 2/I think Klaatu is being kind to Carter and Ximines: they are mediocre players at their positions. If Graham and JJ are trying to push them as the ER solution, it's another 'Pio play.
Colin, I was referring to their injuries (I guess I should have been more specific). But, yeah, their play has been nothing to write home about. Both seem eminently upgradeable.
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for the team and our free agents performed without getting injured, Jones takes the jump that it seems like the staff think he will take, the oline is solid as it sounds like the coaching staff thinks and the defense gets even better than last year then we will be competing in the playoffs.
I understand those are ifs, but there are a possibility. If that is all true, the one major thing this team is missing is an edge that can get to the passer on their own. Imagine if our secondary as good as it could be and we can get to the QB with 3 or 4 players.
Here's the catch and I'll use OL as an example: If you draft Slater for guard, and assuming everyone is right about RT being okay, you've just assured Giants of a running game. And if you have a running game - it means Jones will have time to pass. And now that they have a number 1 WR - their offense should be good.
And as for defense- you get your two best DL back, you added a little pass rush by getting two other OLB's back from injury and a FA pickup, and another FA pickup as ILB as a probable improvement to what they had. Along with you got a number 2 corner. And you have McKinney back for a full year. As a result your defense as of this moment should be at least as good (conservatively) as last year. And now you trade up for an Edge - haven’t you possibly made your team stronger overall because now your offense instead of being filled with as many "maybes" is a bit more assured of being good while still maintaining a good defense?
Slater is good enough to ensure your offense will be to a certain pretty good standard while now we have to hope two guard spots are okay. And you should prefer to try to win with balance rather be "very strong" say at defense and be just "decent" with offense, right? Try to achieve being good at both.
1. Paye
2. Landon Dickerson/Wyatt Davis
Or
1. Slater
2. Carlos Basham?
I think you get the better EDGE prospect in the 1st scenario while still getting a very good IOL. Slater is a great prospect but if you believe you’ve got your tackles of the future (all indications are that is how the Giants feel about Thomas and Peart) then you drafted a Good Guard at 11 but he’s not Zach Martin, Nelson, or Brandon Scherff. As far as being a guard, is he really much better than Davis, Dickerson, or Cleveland?
Now, if the Giants weren’t sure about Thomas or Peart then I can see them wanting and OL that offers tackle insurance, but Slater wouldn’t match their profile for tackles. They drafted the two longest armed OTs in last year’s draft. Kept Solder who is a long OT, and had Cam Fleming as OT who is also very long. They’ve shown they value length at the OT position.
That's okay Klaat! Happens all the time.
Don't want to distract from Godeep's thread because its really interesting info. And its not hard to make the case why the Giants would be looking for edge rusher in this year's draft.
Talk to just about anyone around the NFL and they will tell you that the two things you pretty much need to be able to do to win a championship are you have to be able to throw the ball and you want to be able to rush the passer.
The Giants obviously feel they have enough pieces in place to at least find out whether in fact they can throw the ball effectively. Its been a while though since the Giants have been able to mount a consistent pass rush and they don't really have many people in place with the potential to get them there other than maybe Williams.
And I believe its part of trying to build a championship level team rather than just filling holes. In fact my guess is that even if the Giants did hit on an ER this year, my guess is that they would still be looking for more over the next 2-3 drafts. Remember that the team whose M.O. was 'you can never have enough pass rushers' hasn't used a first or second round pick on a DE/ER in over a decade. (JPP was the last in 2010.)
Its an interesting class in that yeah you don't really have any sure thing DEs with top 5-10 potential. What you do appear to have is as many as a half dozen guys with at least some top 20 potential. So they aren't far off. And it is maybe why they might consider a trade down. And as I mentioned earlier, to me the tough call would be if Parsons is there and the Giants hadn't taken him off their board for character issues. Then you might very well run into the BPA thing.
Your mock does not include Jayson Oweh going all 32 picks in Round One. That seems to contradict your other info.
Can you clarify?
Rousseau would be worse than Paye! He is a third round talent.
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for the team and our free agents performed without getting injured, Jones takes the jump that it seems like the staff think he will take, the oline is solid as it sounds like the coaching staff thinks and the defense gets even better than last year then we will be competing in the playoffs.
I understand those are ifs, but there are a possibility. If that is all true, the one major thing this team is missing is an edge that can get to the passer on their own. Imagine if our secondary as good as it could be and we can get to the QB with 3 or 4 players.
Here's the catch and I'll use OL as an example: If you draft Slater for guard, and assuming everyone is right about RT being okay, you've just assured Giants of a running game. And if you have a running game - it means Jones will have time to pass. And now that they have a number 1 WR - their offense should be good.
And as for defense- you get your two best DL back, you added a little pass rush by getting two other OLB's back from injury and a FA pickup, and another FA pickup as ILB as a probable improvement to what they had. Along with you got a number 2 corner. And you have McKinney back for a full year. As a result your defense as of this moment should be at least as good (conservatively) as last year. And now you trade up for an Edge - haven’t you possibly made your team stronger overall because now your offense instead of being filled with as many "maybes" is a bit more assured of being good while still maintaining a good defense?
Slater is good enough to ensure your offense will be to a certain pretty good standard while now we have to hope two guard spots are okay. And you should prefer to try to win with balance rather be "very strong" say at defense and be just "decent" with offense, right? Try to achieve being good at both.
Well. As an exercise, which do you think works better?
1. Paye
2. Landon Dickerson/Wyatt Davis
Or
1. Slater
2. Carlos Basham?
I think you get the better EDGE prospect in the 1st scenario while still getting a very good IOL. Slater is a great prospect but if you believe you’ve got your tackles of the future (all indications are that is how the Giants feel about Thomas and Peart) then you drafted a Good Guard at 11 but he’s not Zach Martin, Nelson, or Brandon Scherff. As far as being a guard, is he really much better than Davis, Dickerson, or Cleveland?
Now, if the Giants weren’t sure about Thomas or Peart then I can see them wanting and OL that offers tackle insurance, but Slater wouldn’t match their profile for tackles. They drafted the two longest armed OTs in last year’s draft. Kept Solder who is a long OT, and had Cam Fleming as OT who is also very long. They’ve shown they value length at the OT position.
Slater is supposedly much better than any guards you mention is what I’ve read – is that Slater is going to be extremely good. I guess that is the catch. What you are hearing or what you think is that Slater isn't much better than the 2nd rounders vs taking an Edge at 11 vs getting one early 2nd round? OFC they are the experts and the best way to evaluate is wait a season or two etc.
I hope the Giants are right if they go through the course you mention. But I don’t feel the last 3 drafts with Barkley, Jones and Thomas the have been though. With Jones jury still out and maybe he can be really good. So maybe they nailed it and getting the QB right is everything. However jury still out.
But as for Thomas he was regarded as being 3rd best tackle after season-end, correct? They took the higher floor guy. Last year I thought he was 3rd best before the draft so needless to say I wasn’t enamored with the pick. Didn't "hate it." Just thought they could've done better.
And Barkley they took the high-floor guy destined to be Gold Jacket but as some have questioned for a rebuilding team and a position susceptible to get banged up early, he definitely has not been worth the 2nd overall pick.
As a result, I'm questioning their value/decisions on top-tier players. Therefore, I’m also questioning their view on Slater too. Am I wrong to question them on this based on the points I've just made?
Judge has a very different kind of player in mind from DG.
giantstock (not that you asked me), I have zero issues with your skepticism, but a bit too early to pass final judgment on Thomas? Wirfs (at RT) and Wills certainly appeared to be better on balance last season, Becton at times too, health issues there. In retrospect, Barkley has turned out to be a very flawed pick; even before the fact, there were questions as to the wisdom of picking him at 2 overall. I hope JJ is inside Gettelman's heat and at the controls.
Actually I tend to disagree a little bit. This draft has the potential to play nicely into the hands of the Giants. Whichever direction they go they are going to get a really good prospect in the first. Then the strengths on the second day and into the 3rd are WR, CB and OL, the positions they are probably looking at. Time will tell!
That video was helpful. The kid has talent. And he is apparently a terrific young man, which is important. If only he can learn to rush the passer. I mean, if you are going to be an edge rusher... you better be able to rush.
I would question why you think that. Right now the ends are Williams and likely Shelton. Paye isn't playing LB. We know Williams doesn't have a problem setting. On many plays Lawrence pushes outside. Shelton is a solid player.
Of the concerns with the defense, the bigger red flag to me is who's playing lineback in this 3-4 alignment.
Judge has a very different kind of player in mind from DG.
Please explain.
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Watch this video on him setting the edge. I can 100% question our ability to set an edge right now with our current defenders. Right now that is the biggest weakness of our defense imo. Link - ( New Window )
I would question why you think that. Right now the ends are Williams and likely Shelton. Paye isn't playing LB. We know Williams doesn't have a problem setting. On many plays Lawrence pushes outside. Shelton is a solid player.
Of the concerns with the defense, the bigger red flag to me is who's playing lineback in this 3-4 alignment.
The two ILBs are probably going to be Martinez and either Crowder or Ragland.
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Watch this video on him setting the edge. I can 100% question our ability to set an edge right now with our current defenders. Right now that is the biggest weakness of our defense imo. Link - ( New Window )
I would question why you think that. Right now the ends are Williams and likely Shelton. Paye isn't playing LB. We know Williams doesn't have a problem setting. On many plays Lawrence pushes outside. Shelton is a solid player.
Of the concerns with the defense, the bigger red flag to me is who's playing lineback in this 3-4 alignment.
Shelton will be the NT.
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Watch this video on him setting the edge. I can 100% question our ability to set an edge right now with our current defenders. Right now that is the biggest weakness of our defense imo. Link - ( New Window )
I would question why you think that. Right now the ends are Williams and likely Shelton. Paye isn't playing LB. We know Williams doesn't have a problem setting. On many plays Lawrence pushes outside. Shelton is a solid player.
Of the concerns with the defense, the bigger red flag to me is who's playing lineback in this 3-4 alignment.
Well, OLB is going to be a bit of a puzzle. Carter and Ximines are both coming off injury (particularly Carter, who has failed to impress in three seasons), there’s questions as to Odenigbo is more of a 4-3 end or 3-4 rushbacker, and Brown, Coughlin, Lalos, and Anderson are unproven, particularly Lalos who only played in six games. For all we know (and not my favorite course of action since I’m a fan of the old-school way of getting pressure with four and dropping the rest into coverage), the Giants will roll with a 3-3-5 alignment with Lawrence and Williams at end and Shelton at nose tackle, Martinez at MIKE with a combo of Brown, Coughlin, Crowder, and Ragland rotating at the OLB spots depending on what’s needed (Judge and Graham are a fan of this method), and a defensive backfield of Bradberry, Peppers, McKinney, Ryan or Holmes at the slot/nickelback, and Jackson.
giantstock (not that you asked me), I have zero issues with your skepticism, but a bit too early to pass final judgment on Thomas? Wirfs (at RT) and Wills certainly appeared to be better on balance last season, Becton at times too, health issues there. In retrospect, Barkley has turned out to be a very flawed pick; even before the fact, there were questions as to the wisdom of picking him at 2 overall. I hope JJ is inside Gettelman's heat and at the controls.
Thanks ColHow.
I just want to add I have a bias in that I despise Dave G. HOWEVER HOWEVER if the Giants to start to win I’ll change completely. Especially if it is more than 1 year etc. I’ll completely flip. I just want them to win.
So with that said- every one of the 3 picks DG has made previously of SB, DJ, and AT can become terrific overall. I am in no way writing them off – just saying I’m skeptical – though I am not skeptical of ATHomas being “good.”
All I was saying about AThomas is that in my view pre-draft I thought he was 3rd best but recognized through reading that he had highest floor. So that doesn’t mean I think he stinks or is average. Just a potential “missed opportunity” for someone I thought to be better. Anyway. if I thought he was 3rd best pre-draft and he was 3rd best after season 1, then naturally I’m still projecting he will be 3rd best. That is still okay however. But just “okay” instead of “wow – we nailed that.”
So far there hasn’t there has not been any “wows” from the DG 1st rd draft,- though only one clear bust. I just think if you get the high quality Guard, then that raises the chances that Barkley and Jones can become “wow.”
I just think Dave G is content on wanting to play 17-14 / 20-17 football. I think he has an opportunity for more while in round 2 (or trade up in round 1) to get his Edge.
Barkley running with less penetration imo makes him exponentially better. Same with Jones in a clean pocket and a running game. Then he could “manage the shit” out of the game. These are two enormous pieces that we rely on to play huge.
Why risk having to put it on Judge to have to radically coach up his young OL that weren’t that good last year- or draft a lesser guard in rd 2 (or later)? But ofc if Slater is not that highly valued then okay – pass on him. Or if Paye is projected to be a star early on year 1 or year 2– okay.
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Watch this video on him setting the edge. I can 100% question our ability to set an edge right now with our current defenders. Right now that is the biggest weakness of our defense imo. Link - ( New Window )
I would question why you think that. Right now the ends are Williams and likely Shelton. Paye isn't playing LB. We know Williams doesn't have a problem setting. On many plays Lawrence pushes outside. Shelton is a solid player.
Of the concerns with the defense, the bigger red flag to me is who's playing lineback in this 3-4 alignment.
Shelton will be the NT.
I could believe this. And that's even more a reason why they would have no need to draft Paye. You're not displacing Williams or Lawrence.
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Watch this video on him setting the edge. I can 100% question our ability to set an edge right now with our current defenders. Right now that is the biggest weakness of our defense imo. Link - ( New Window )
I would question why you think that. Right now the ends are Williams and likely Shelton. Paye isn't playing LB. We know Williams doesn't have a problem setting. On many plays Lawrence pushes outside. Shelton is a solid player.
Of the concerns with the defense, the bigger red flag to me is who's playing lineback in this 3-4 alignment.
Shelton will be the NT.
I could believe this. And that's even more a reason why they would have no need to draft Paye. You're not displacing Williams or Lawrence.
Paye has played 4-3 end. Has not played standing up. Doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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Watch this video on him setting the edge. I can 100% question our ability to set an edge right now with our current defenders. Right now that is the biggest weakness of our defense imo. Link - ( New Window )
I would question why you think that. Right now the ends are Williams and likely Shelton. Paye isn't playing LB. We know Williams doesn't have a problem setting. On many plays Lawrence pushes outside. Shelton is a solid player.
Of the concerns with the defense, the bigger red flag to me is who's playing lineback in this 3-4 alignment.
Shelton will be the NT.
I could believe this. And that's even more a reason why they would have no need to draft Paye. You're not displacing Williams or Lawrence.
Paye has played 4-3 end. Has not played standing up. Doesn’t make a lot of sense.
A lot of teams ran with a four-lineman approach in the 80s, when the 3-4 was big, on passing downs; this includes the Giants where Curtis McGriff would sit and George Martin was the nickel rusher. With Judge and Graham, shouldn’t there be something for every occasion since Graham likes to mix and match players based on what they’re facing from the offense?
JPP was situational most of his rookie year since Osi Umenyiora started at RDE most of 2010 and I’m not sure what the Giants intended for Michael Strahan when they drafted him in the second round of ‘93 while they were still using the 3-4.
Anyways, why can’t the Giants use a 4-3 or a 4-2-5?
The Giants have ZERO quality ER’s. They have to roll the dice in the draft because that’s the only place they’re going to find them.
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JPP was situational most of his rookie year since Osi Umenyiora started at RDE most of 2010 and I’m not sure what the Giants intended for Michael Strahan when they drafted him in the secondhttps://twitter.com/CorkGaines/status/1378472030744502273?s=19 round of ‘93 while they were still using the 3-4.
Anyways, why can’t the Giants use a 4-3 or a 4-2-5?
They use all kinds of sets now. The sticking point is you're using the 11th overall pick on a substitution player when you have an owner talking about needing to win more games and plenty of needs at other roster spots.
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JPP was situational most of his rookie year since Osi Umenyiora started at RDE most of 2010 and I’m not sure what the Giants intended for Michael Strahan when they drafted him in the secondhttps://twitter.com/CorkGaines/status/1378472030744502273?s=19 round of ‘93 while they were still using the 3-4.
Anyways, why can’t the Giants use a 4-3 or a 4-2-5?
They use all kinds of sets now. The sticking point is you're using the 11th overall pick on a substitution player when you have an owner talking about needing to win more games and plenty of needs at other roster spots.
Well, I’d prefer getting an edge in the second or third rounds, but if the Giants are going for edge in the first, so be it.