I apologize for the delay. One of my sources was dealing with a delay. I have two sources I trust when it comes to giants inside info. I generally want to wait within a month of the draft to get more fleshed out details. Here’s what I’ve gathered so far.
- Giants have put most of their research into the EDGE class. There are only 2 guys that would stop them from going EDGE In the 1st round. Kyle Pitts and DeVonta Smith.
- Penn State pro day was more about Oweh than Parsons. Coach Spencer likes Parsons. Thinks he’s a good kid. But he’s be taking on a bit of a “handler” role if they were to draft Parsons. Spencer really likes Oweh. Thinks he’s has a wealth of unlocked potential.
- If one of Giants preferred offensive targets is gone. They’ll look to go EDGE. They would like to trade down to get an EDGE and have had preliminary talks with NE depending on who is available.
- If they settle to pick at 11 and both offensive guys are gone they. Select one of the EDGEs. There doesn’t seem to be a consensus yet but the belief is that Kwity Paye would be the choice because of his versatility standing and hand down. They like his personality fit and how well he takes to coaching. Love that he has a strong run defense game and believe he will grow as a pass rusher.
- if they are able to select one of the offensive weapons their is belief they will trade up from their 2nd round pick to select an EDGE in the back part of the 1st round. (I’m personally thinking this sounds like Engram + 2nd to Buffalo for #30).
- Giants like their OL pieces. Will not go OL in the 1st round unless something unforeseen happens and Penei Sewell is available. Then it’ll be hard for them not to consider. But they don’t see that as likely with the teams selecting in front of them. Belief is round 2 or 3 depending on when EDGE is selected.
- If Giants don’t go WR 1st round look for them to as a developmental piece Day 3.
Your mock does not include Jayson Oweh going all 32 picks in Round One. That seems to contradict your other info.
Can you clarify?
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The other day you did a 1st round mock that confused me.
Your mock does not include Jayson Oweh going all 32 picks in Round One. That seems to contradict your other info.
Can you clarify?
I did the Mock before speaking with my sources. Also, once you get to 20-32 in a mock it’s pretty much all based on your own personal board. I don’t value Oweh that highly. I get wanting to get on the tools, but he seemed quite bleh in his game.
His stats are even more suspect than Paye; in seven games in 2020 he didn’t record a sack.
Any specific reason you believe this? There's only one year of draft history to go there and he has a ton of connections at big time college football programs. Drafting a guy from UGA and Alabama isn't that unusual. Did he have any connections to UConn, UCLA, or Oregon?
Well, Oweh is the highest-graded Edge at NFL.com, in fact he's graded higher than any DE, too, so there is that.
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Late 1st round maybe. Great Blue North has him as their #2 DE... must be something their I don't recognize.
Well, Oweh is the highest-graded Edge at NFL.com, in fact he's graded higher than any DE, too, so there is that.
A pass rusher who had no sacks at 11? 🤔
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In comment 15208947 ATL_Giants said: Late 1st round maybe. Great Blue North has him as their #2 DE... must be something their I don't recognize.
Well, Oweh is the highest-graded Edge at NFL.com, in fact he's graded higher than any DE, too, so there is that.
A pass rusher who had no sacks at 11? 🤔
Well, as Chad Reuter wrote:
I'll admit that I'd prefer Oweh after a slight trade down, say with NE. His comp at NFL.com is Bud Dupree, who went #22 overall. Oweh is not a finished product by any means, but this was Lance Zierlein's assessment:
All signs point towards them trading up early, likely from the 2nd round back into the 1st for the 5th year option. If Oweh is still on the board at 30 I think they are going to go hard after him.
Also a good chance they move up from 11 in front of the cowboys. In a year with a bunch of qbs going early there is going to be super-premium talent between 6-9. Wouldn't be surprised if they think there's a guy there that maked this team instantly better.
All signs point towards them trading up early, likely from the 2nd round back into the 1st for the 5th year option. If Oweh is still on the board at 30 I think they are going to go hard after him.
Is this just a guess or do you have any info?
Also a good chance they move up from 11 in front of the cowboys. In a year with a bunch of qbs going early there is going to be super-premium talent between 6-9. Wouldn't be surprised if they think there's a guy there that maked this team instantly better.
Dude we used a 7th, relax.
In comment 15209067 UGADawgs7 said:
Is this just a guess or do you have any info?
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They have 83 players signed right now, before the draft, UDFAs, camp cuts etc. They have a fully fleshed out roster with no huge holes but desperately in need of game-breaking talent. They are in win-now mode, with Gettleman desperately needing a playoff berth.
All signs point towards them trading up early, likely from the 2nd round back into the 1st for the 5th year option. If Oweh is still on the board at 30 I think they are going to go hard after him.
Also a good chance they move up from 11 in front of the cowboys. In a year with a bunch of qbs going early there is going to be super-premium talent between 6-9. Wouldn't be surprised if they think there's a guy there that maked this team instantly better.
Just a guess based on circumstance and history
True, I guess all coaches tend to draft players from programs they are somewhat familiar with.
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they have 6 picks.
Dude we used a 7th, relax.
I dont get the relax comment.. but be that as it may. The Giants dont have many picks that they can package to move up. They are more likely to trade down than move up.
Personally, I still hope they trade down and get another day 2 pick ... Maybe Collins (at 15), then a WR, G and TE on day 2 followed by another WR, G and RB (either of the Louisiana guys) on day 3.
Maybe they’ll shock us all, trade down with NE then unload Engram to get another pick on day 1.
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they have 6 picks.
Dude we used a 7th, relax.
I dont get the relax comment.. but be that as it may. The Giants dont have many picks that they can package to move up. They are more likely to trade down than move up.
Theyve got picks next year, theyve got engram. It's for sure a little eaier with some comp picks but you start with 7 and we have 6. You can move around if you want to.
Let's go impact D (Parsons). Fill the OL with the 2nd or 3rd and get ready to roll.
Whatever they do we just want to add a very good football player. We need them imo
Have you watched Rousseau's film? He's not good.
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Watch this video on him setting the edge. I can 100% question our ability to set an edge right now with our current defenders. Right now that is the biggest weakness of our defense imo. Link - ( New Window )
I would question why you think that. Right now the ends are Williams and likely Shelton. Paye isn't playing LB. We know Williams doesn't have a problem setting. On many plays Lawrence pushes outside. Shelton is a solid player.
Of the concerns with the defense, the bigger red flag to me is who's playing lineback in this 3-4 alignment.
Shelton is not an edge defender. He is a nose tackle. He can play the 3-technique, but he is not an ER ever.
Shelton is not an edge defender. He is a nose tackle. He can play the 3-technique, but he is not an ER ever.
So our down edges are Lawrence and Williams. I'm good with that. Paye isn't a linebacker. So why are we looking at linemen edges at 11? Really shouldn't be.
I have a feeling only 4 of the QBs go in front of us but drafts are weird. Who saw Clelin Ferrell going 4 to the Raiders 2 years ago?
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I see people bringing him up but the OP doesn't mention him.
Only time Waddle was mentioned was me asking who they would take if both were on the board and the answer was “Smith is the one they really want.” I don’t know if that would mean over Pitts as well but it’s Smith over Waddle.
I can definitely see Smith over Waddle if a team is not 100% sure on the medicals. I would not be shocked if Waddle falls further than expected on Draft Day unless he can work out prior.