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| Mara said the entire building “thinks the world” of Jones, which echoes the sentiments of general manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Joe Judge. But Mara took things a step further, saying Jones has the potential to follow the same path as Eli Manning. In other words, Mara expects multiple titles out of Jones. “Yes he does [have what it takes],” Mara said. “I can say that without any hesitation. . . I don’t see why [he couldn’t win multiple titles]. If we put the right pieces around him.” |
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| “I don’t know how [Mara] can say that definitively based on what we’ve seen from DJ his first couple of years. I mean, he’s got 39 turnovers in two seasons starting. It’s hard to win consistently when your quarterback is turning the ball over 20 times a year,” Canty said. “I just don’t know how you make that statement.” Canty said that although the Giants may like Jones the person, there’s absolutely no reason to believe he can have any level of success in the NFL. “Based on the production — or lack thereof — there’s no way you can have conviction that Daniel Jones is your guy going forward,” Canty said. |
Who gives a shit what Canty says. Did Canty include the 6 INTs that bounced off Engram's hands?
It’s a big year for both Jones and Judge. Not comparing Jones to Allen necessarily, but Bills fans were not exactly thrilled with Josh Allen after year 2 and look what happened there. The Bills traded for Diggs, added Gabriel Davis and drafted the RB from Utah to add depth to that group. The results spoke for themselves. Keep in mind that the Bills GM was an executive under Gettleman in Carolina. Us seemingly mirroring their approach this offseason is not that far fetched when you look at us adding Golladay.
It’s his third year. Second in the same system. The coaching staff is top level. No more excuses for Jones. He’s gotta prove it this year. I think he can do it.
Who gives a shit what Canty says. Did Canty include the 6 INTs that bounced off Engram's hands?
Yup, I remember fans being really frustrated with Eli after his first few years wondering if he was “the guy”. And he had a much much better supporting cast around him. Toomer, Shockey, Barber, Strahan, excellent offensive line, and Burress in year 2. Jones had virtually none of that with no one close to Toomer or Burress level at WR and no RB close to Tiki with Barkley hurt. The offensive line speaks for itself, didn’t start to gel until the second half of Jones’ second season.
Mara, of course, is saying what he should say. But I really wish these Eli comps would just end. They just aren't the same players. Eli has considerably more arm talent and pedigree. Jones is a better athlete and runner.
It’s a big year for both Jones and Judge.
why is it a big year for Judge?
For example, if Jones and/or Barkley don't perform it's on Gettleman, isn't it?
Who gives a shit what Canty says. Did Canty include the 6 INTs that bounced off Engram's hands?
Mara, of course, is saying what he should say. But I really wish these Eli comps would just end. They just aren't the same players. Eli has considerably more arm talent and pedigree. Jones is a better athlete and runner.
Last year sucked with a new oline, new OC, no OTAs and no weapons, but he clearly cut back on the fumbles that still needs improving on.
His 1st year was not ordinary. Yes we can harp on the turn overs (especially fumbles) were awful. But he had some really good games and broke some rookie records, didn't he?
This year should let us know, but a certain group has already made up its' mind hasn't it?
Let's hope he takes a big step this year. It won't be from lack of effort and that is all we can ask imo. Get the run game going and he has a shot.
After two years, I think objectively, the jury has to still be out on Jones. This is a crucial year for him. He either has to take a step forward, or they have to be willing to move on, take their medicine, and draft another QB.
TBD
We should have a much clearer picture soon enough
It is very hard to be an NFL QB. Even harder to succeed. And much harder still to win titles. Jones isn't even at first base, and we're entering his third year. If he doesn't start playing great, this season, it will be time to move on.
It is very hard to be an NFL QB. Even harder to succeed. And much harder still to win titles. Jones isn't even at first base, and we're entering his third year. If he doesn't start playing great, this season, it will be time to move on.
Every QB in the NFL should be judged on his first two seasons......
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Although he acknowledges that Jones is hampered by a bad offensive scheme, bad offensive line and underwhelming receivers, Canty still faults Jones for all of the team’s offensive woes. And in the end, Canty also believes Mara took his support of Jones entirely too far.
So Canty acknowledges that the scheme, line and receivers suck but Jones is at fault for all of the offensive problems?
How does that even make sense?
Sometimes I think these media guys talk just to fill time. The shit they say is grounded in thin air.
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since the first two chapters of Jones's career have been ordinary - at best.
Mara, of course, is saying what he should say. But I really wish these Eli comps would just end. They just aren't the same players. Eli has considerably more arm talent and pedigree. Jones is a better athlete and runner.
Last year sucked with a new oline, new OC, no OTAs and no weapons, but he clearly cut back on the fumbles that still needs improving on.
His 1st year was not ordinary. Yes we can harp on the turn overs (especially fumbles) were awful. But he had some really good games and broke some rookie records, didn't he?
This year should let us know, but a certain group has already made up its' mind hasn't it?
We've covered this real estate quite a bit, but, yes, Jones did have some good games his rookie year. But those were offset by some poor moments. Which is to be expected for a rookie. And that showed up in a QBR that was ordinary versus the rest of the league.
And, yes, 2021 is a critical year for sure.
My mind isn't made up, but I wouldn't buy anymore Jones stock. I would suggest one more year of holding the stock.
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Although he acknowledges that Jones is hampered by a bad offensive scheme, bad offensive line and underwhelming receivers, Canty still faults Jones for all of the team’s offensive woes. And in the end, Canty also believes Mara took his support of Jones entirely too far.
So Canty acknowledges that the scheme, line and receivers suck but Jones is at fault for all of the offensive problems?
How does that even make sense?
Sometimes I think these media guys talk just to fill time. The shit they say is grounded in thin air.
Mara, of course, is saying what he should say. But I really wish these Eli comps would just end. They just aren't the same players. Eli has considerably more arm talent and pedigree. Jones is a better athlete and runner.
In 2020, for example, Nick Mullens had the worst int percentage in the NFL at 3.7%. that would not have made the top 10 in 2006. Drew Lock led the NFL with 15 picks in 2020. that would not have been 13th highest in 2006.
I don't know whether Jones will be good long term or not. He's one of those players that both sides of the debate can find something to point to in support of their position, and I don't think that comparing qb's in different offenses in different eras is apropos. What Manning did or didn't do has no bearing on whether Jones will be what his supporters think he will be.
Not saying he is right or wrong, but he's not consistent.
It is very hard to be an NFL QB. Even harder to succeed. And much harder still to win titles. Jones isn't even at first base, and we're entering his third year. If he doesn't start playing great, this season, it will be time to move on.
Nobody wants to have to read your opinion and drivel on the subject of Daniel Jones. Please just take everyone's advice and just STFU already.
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Canty is 100% right. This kid has done nothing to show he is a championship QB. If you think he has you are tripping on the blue Kool-Aid.
It is very hard to be an NFL QB. Even harder to succeed. And much harder still to win titles. Jones isn't even at first base, and we're entering his third year. If he doesn't start playing great, this season, it will be time to move on.
Every QB in the NFL should be judged on his first two seasons......
LOL
I heard Dallas has this kid they picked #1 overall, named Troy Aikman.
Year 1: 11 games / 1,749 yards / 9 TDs / 18 INTs / 52.9% completion
Year 2: 15 games / 2,579 yards / 11 TDs / 18 INTs / 56.6% completion
He obviously sucks. They should get rid of him. He’s definitely not worth the #1 overall pick and will never be a good NFL quarterback.
2005 - 17 Ints and 9 fumbles
2006 - 18 Ints and 9 fumbles
Makes for a total of 53.
In his rookie year, he played 9 games(7 starts) and had 9 Ints and 3 fumbles. Which if you did the math, would prorate out to be about 21 total turnovers.
There was another player who in his first two seasons:
-12 Ints and 12 fumbles
-14 Ints and 11 fumbles
Makes for a total of 49 over 2 seasons. That player's Tom Brady.
It is very hard to be an NFL QB. Even harder to succeed. And much harder still to win titles. Jones isn't even at first base, and we're entering his third year. If he doesn't start playing great, this season, it will be time to move on.
How predictable.
2) His opinion isn't worth any more, at this point, than anyone else's. He's not in the building evaluating tape with the coaching staff. He's just looking at the same stats and won-loss record we are, and drawing conclusions that many of us have drawn.
As for Eli Manning, he wasn't just a turnover machine early on. 2010 was horrendous. And while injuries to his supporting cast were a factor, he also made some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen... in his seventh season.
2) His opinion isn't worth any more, at this point, than anyone else's. He's not in the building evaluating tape with the coaching staff. He's just looking at the same stats and won-loss record we are, and drawing conclusions that many of us have drawn.
As for Eli Manning, he wasn't just a turnover machine early on. 2010 was horrendous. And while injuries to his supporting cast were a factor, he also made some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen... in his seventh season.
2) His opinion isn't worth any more, at this point, than anyone else's. He's not in the building evaluating tape with the coaching staff. He's just looking at the same stats and won-loss record we are, and drawing conclusions that many of us have drawn.
As for Eli Manning, he wasn't just a turnover machine early on. 2010 was horrendous. And while injuries to his supporting cast were a factor, he also made some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen... in his seventh season.
Remember Eli's underhand/sideways toss into the end zone near the goal line in the Titans game at home that year that they lost to that scumbag Jeff Fisher? I wanted to strangle Eli after seeing him make that Fevre-esque "throw."
Eli was a pretty good regular season QB who had two magical playoff runs. His career was unique and bizarre, and probably shouldn’t be used as a yardstick for anyone else, including Daniel Jones. Plus Jones is a completely different player, with both capabilities and limitations that Manning didn’t have. Reporters keep framing the dumb comparisons though, and Mara went down the rabbit hole when he could have just said “Eli was Eli. We want Daniel to be Daniel, not Eli.”
Secondly, the NFL is a completely different league regarding QB's coming out of college and performing. 1st round QB's are expected to produce quickly once they are in the NFL and both the college game and the NFL have evolved for that to be completely possible.
Instead of comparing to Eli 20 years ago, ask yourself if any QB's turned it around from being iffy after 2 years to being THE guy.
An argument could be made for Tannehill, but he needed a complete change of scenery for it to happen. Maybe Mayfield? But he sure still has a lot of doubters on this sub.
Secondly, the NFL is a completely different league regarding QB's coming out of college and performing. 1st round QB's are expected to produce quickly once they are in the NFL and both the college game and the NFL have evolved for that to be completely possible.
Instead of comparing to Eli 20 years ago, ask yourself if any QB's turned it around from being iffy after 2 years to being THE guy.
An argument could be made for Tannehill, but he needed a complete change of scenery for it to happen. Maybe Mayfield? But he sure still has a lot of doubters on this sub.
I meant to say forum, not sub. I'm not on Reddit, wtf?
Jones has to play much better then he has been. Lets see if he can rise to the occasion.
Mara, of course, is saying what he should say. But I really wish these Eli comps would just end. They just aren't the same players. Eli has considerably more arm talent and pedigree. Jones is a better athlete and runner.
I dont agree that Eli had more arm talent - not at all. Early in his career Eli had much better pocket presence and later in his career he was much better at making the right reads but Jones has better arm talent, IMO.
Not saying he is right or wrong, but he's not consistent.
I really don't pay much attention to Canty's takes or any of those ESPN shows. But if an ex-player seems like a Giants "homer" at some times and a Giants "hater" at other times, wouldn't the most likely observation be that he is at all times expressing his honest opinion?
It can be argued that both Jones and Darnold haven’t had great talent around them. Both teams are still trying to rebuild the O Line and have finally added some targets with the draft yet to come.
I like Jones and I actually think Darnold is solid. Canty is part of a nonstop media that needs to justify their existence by being overly critical about a position he hasn’t played.
I think the bigger question is does he make enough plays to win consistently. That’s what we need to find out.
I think the bigger question is does he make enough plays to win consistently. That’s what we need to find out.
Thank you. See how simple a rational post is? 😎