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| Mara said the entire building “thinks the world” of Jones, which echoes the sentiments of general manager Dave Gettleman and head coach Joe Judge. But Mara took things a step further, saying Jones has the potential to follow the same path as Eli Manning. In other words, Mara expects multiple titles out of Jones. “Yes he does [have what it takes],” Mara said. “I can say that without any hesitation. . . I don’t see why [he couldn’t win multiple titles]. If we put the right pieces around him.” |
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| “I don’t know how [Mara] can say that definitively based on what we’ve seen from DJ his first couple of years. I mean, he’s got 39 turnovers in two seasons starting. It’s hard to win consistently when your quarterback is turning the ball over 20 times a year,” Canty said. “I just don’t know how you make that statement.” Canty said that although the Giants may like Jones the person, there’s absolutely no reason to believe he can have any level of success in the NFL. “Based on the production — or lack thereof — there’s no way you can have conviction that Daniel Jones is your guy going forward,” Canty said. |
Who gives a shit what Canty says. Did Canty include the 6 INTs that bounced off Engram's hands?
Totally agree. Mid career he had years he was throwing 25 and 26 pics. Look I hope Daniel can do what Eli did with Chanmpionships but his biggest problems have been fumbles which I think is correctable. Jones threw 12 and 10 pics his first two years I believe.
Now I agree with most of BBI that this is the year Jones needs to take a leap. My concern is people thinking he has to be Drew Brees or Peyton Manning this year or he sucks. I doubt that will happen but he needs to show true development that he can be a top QB in this league.
Thou shall not criticize the Giants...
2005 - 17 Ints and 9 fumbles
2006 - 18 Ints and 9 fumbles
Makes for a total of 53.
In his rookie year, he played 9 games(7 starts) and had 9 Ints and 3 fumbles. Which if you did the math, would prorate out to be about 21 total turnovers.
There was another player who in his first two seasons:
-12 Ints and 12 fumbles
-14 Ints and 11 fumbles
Makes for a total of 49 over 2 seasons. That player's Tom Brady.
I was looking at the same statistics. Another one to add, through Eli's first 23 games (first two seasons) he was sacked 41x. Through DJ's first 27 games (first two seasons) he was sacked 83x!
We all know Eli was very good at getting rid of the ball and not taking sacks, but even taking that into account -the offensive talent Eli played with his first two seasons and the quality of his offensive line, is not comparable to the crap that DJ's been playing with.
Tiki
Shockey
Burress
Toomer
combine that with a solid line and the offense should be better. You can only blame play calling for so long.
Eli bothered me because of the bad decisions.
It wasn't until the 2007 playoffs that I turned around on Eli and even then sometimes after that the bad decision making still came out, but I learned to appreciate what Eli was trying to do and why he made that decision (some times), but either way the 2007 playoffs gave Eli the benefit of the doubt in my mind.
Will Daniel Jones, who has a much worse OL and much worse skill players than Eli (in year 2 for both of them at least) get the chance to have his "2007 playoffs" for doubters like me?
Not sure, but he has been underwhelming and it may be poor OL, poor skill players, and poor scheme, but he makes poor decisions too and he has not yet earned the benefit of the doubt for me, much like Eli didn't for me until the end of his 4th season.
-That he has learned two different offenses in two years
-That he hasnt played with Barkley most of his starts
-That last year Even Engram CAUSED like 6-8 INTS
-That he has been throwing to household names like CJ Board and Dante Pettis
Danie Jones can make throws. He has to become more consistent. He has to limit the mistakes but he cant become OVERLY cautious. He also has to stay healthy. I believe he can be an very productive QB in this league
-That he excels at throwing against man coverage
-That has some of the best ratings for a deep ball passer
-That when given time ( which is rare ) he has very good ball accuracy
Daniel Jones year 2 highlights - ( New Window )
Thou shall not criticize the Giants...
Seriously. It’s not like he criticized a proven good player. Jones has a ton to prove the giants fan and the entire league.
Mara, of course, is saying what he should say. But I really wish these Eli comps would just end. They just aren't the same players. Eli has considerably more arm talent and pedigree. Jones is a better athlete and runner.
How quickly they forget. His rookie year was hardly "ordinary at best." The only negative was the fumbles.
12 starts
62 percent completion rate
3,000 yards
24 TDs (fourth most by a rookie) and 12 INT
QB rating 87.7
Threw TD passes in his first 12 starts (breaking the team rookie record for 9 straight games with a TD)
Mannings' first year (9 starts):
48 percent completion
1,050 yards
6 TDs, 9 INTs
55.4 QB rating.
Eli's second year (16 starts)
53 percent
3750 yards
24 TDs, 17 INTs (and 9 fumbles)
76 QB rating
Manning didn't have an 87 QB rating until his fifth year (86.6). And in his second year Manning had Burress, Toomer and Shockey. He had a line of Pettigout, Diehl, O'Hara, Snee and McKenzie.
Jones was the first rookie QB to throw for 350 yards, 5 TDs and no interceptions in a game. He was the first Giants rookie QB to throw 5 TDs in a game. He is one of only three rookie QBs with 4 TDs in three games. The others were Tarkenton and Watson (didn't people on here think trading for Watson was a good idea?).
He had the most passing yards and TDs by a Giant rookie QB. The 12 straight games with a TD tied Manning's record. He broke that in the first game of 2020.
Jones may or may not be a really good QB over his career, but to say his rookie year was ordinary at best is just wrong.
Thx Capt. Obvious. WTF is Mara supposed to say? Yeah uh, I like Daniel a lot as a person but we just don't know if he's the guy yet.
Ugh I remember the Eli back and forth driving me crazy but this shit with Jones every single day over and over is driving me nuts.
Thx Capt. Obvious. WTF is Mara supposed to say? Yeah uh, I like Daniel a lot as a person but we just don't know if he's the guy yet.
Ugh I remember the Eli back and forth driving me crazy but this shit with Jones every single day over and over is driving me nuts.
That's where I'm at. Canty's comments are fine but so are Mara's. Much to do about nothing, IMO.
No one "expects" multiple titles from anyone. What Mara was trying to convey to the world of stupid, was he liked Jones. He thinks Jones is worth the time and effort.
Canty is a moron too.
Now in regards to Jones TOs ... he improved to me in my eyes if if you take away 6 volleyball INTs and give them to the guy that deserves his numbers are 11:4.Yes his TDs went down but assess him and the situation properly his #1 weapon has stone hands. His vet elder statesmen is done with a fork in his back. Slayton did not take his next step. Shep is a good sloy guy now playing out of position when he does play. We all know about the OL. Jones cut down on the fumbles, finally started having better ball protection technique and again less picks. All with a defunct run game until the latter portion of the season and it was never a put extra defenders in the box ground game, (Again SB's presence on the field makes the O better).
Jones should play a lot better a full off-season couple years in the system and the additions mentioned above. Mara's assessment is not that far off Jones has the **potential** no question. Can he put it together? As we know in pro sports a big part is desire and commmittment. That is suppose to be his biggest asset. How many times have we seen a situation or organization ruin a guy?
They are righting the ship and if Jones does flop this year or shows that the potential just can't be capped properly. The D should be complete, the O loaded with weapons, and a young improving OL...you go wholesale on getting a proven product as the QB.
If you allow for the slight leap that last year was essentially a pumped up rookie year for Jones, the comparison isn't silly at all.
Not sure why we can't treat 2020 as a developmental year for Jones. It most definitely was, in every single sense.
Any other team. Any other QB. Year 2, but year 1 with an entirely new staff, plus the covid crap, BBI would be saying it was a developmental year. I have no doubts.
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Anyway I see the silly comparisons to Eli are continuing.
If you allow for the slight leap that last year was essentially a pumped up rookie year for Jones, the comparison isn't silly at all.
Not sure why we can't treat 2020 as a developmental year for Jones. It most definitely was, in every single sense.
Any other team. Any other QB. Year 2, but year 1 with an entirely new staff, plus the covid crap, BBI would be saying it was a developmental year. I have no doubts.
I disagree, if Jones was picked by another team at #6 and put up identical numbers, BBI would mock the ever living hell out of that team
He could throw 40 TDs and 15 pics and if he's still fumbling, people who aren't Giants fans will point to the fumbling.
And to a degree, rightly so. He needs to clean that up so he's in the normal range of fumbling for QBs, and the Giant need to help him do that by protecting him better with better OLs.
He could throw 40 TDs and 15 pics and if he's still fumbling, people who aren't Giants fans will point to the fumbling.
And to a degree, rightly so. He needs to clean that up so he's in the normal range of fumbling for QBs, and the Giant need to help him do that by protecting him better with better OLs.
If Daniel Jones threw 24 TDs again last year with the amount of fumbles he "cut down" to... Every pundit would be talking him up right now. He had the same amount of fumbles as David Carr, one more than Lamar Jackson and Carson Wentz.
That is very funny. Well played.
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Anyway I see the silly comparisons to Eli are continuing.
If you allow for the slight leap that last year was essentially a pumped up rookie year for Jones, the comparison isn't silly at all.
Not sure why we can't treat 2020 as a developmental year for Jones. It most definitely was, in every single sense.
Any other team. Any other QB. Year 2, but year 1 with an entirely new staff, plus the covid crap, BBI would be saying it was a developmental year. I have no doubts.
I disagree, if Jones was picked by another team at #6 and put up identical numbers, BBI would mock the ever living hell out of that team
BBI mocked Doug Pederson all the way to him winning a super bowl. They killed Eli at every turn before super bowl 42. BBI usually laughs first.
Bahahaha
djm, that was pretty funny.
Eli was a pretty good regular season QB who had two magical playoff runs. His career was unique and bizarre, and probably shouldn’t be used as a yardstick for anyone else, including Daniel Jones. Plus Jones is a completely different player, with both capabilities and limitations that Manning didn’t have. Reporters keep framing the dumb comparisons though, and Mara went down the rabbit hole when he could have just said “Eli was Eli. We want Daniel to be Daniel, not Eli.”
Here's the odd thing about comparing Jones (or anyone else) to Eli, IMO - for all the similarities that Eli and DJ seem to have, the one thing that Jones has not yet demonstrated is the magic in big moments that Eli had. In fairness, Eli hadn't really yet demonstrated that yet at the same stage in his career that Jones is in, so I'm not suggesting that DJ doesn't have that magic, just that we couldn't possibly know yet.
What makes that important, IMO, is that if you take that big game magic away from Eli's resume, his is not a career that anyone would especially want their young QB to emulate. Eli was guilty of too many turnovers, had more than his fair share of bonehead plays, and often felt like a slight notch below the best QBs in the game. But he had those two incredible SB runs, and in those eight games, was the best QB on the planet.
If DJ never displays that same flair for the big stage and elevating his performance in those spots, but otherwise replicates Eli's career exactly, I don't think his career would be considered a success.
And I think something like "clutchiness" (for lack of a better term, stolen from old Fire Joe Morgan posts) is so unpredictable and fluky that you can't just assume that it will be a common trait among two players who seem identical in every other way.
Eli had the "it" factor that made him better than what his overall career record and statistics would suggest. If he had lacked that, the rest of the resume isn't nearly as impressive.
And here's the thing about that "it" factor: most players DON'T have it, which is what made Eli so special. It's far more likely that DJ doesn't have it than it is that he does. And if DJ doesn't have that, it doesn't mean he'll be a failure, but it does mean we should be careful about simply hoping for him to replicate Eli's career.
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since the first two chapters of Jones's career have been ordinary - at best.
Mara, of course, is saying what he should say. But I really wish these Eli comps would just end. They just aren't the same players. Eli has considerably more arm talent and pedigree. Jones is a better athlete and runner.
Last year sucked with a new oline, new OC, no OTAs and no weapons, but he clearly cut back on the fumbles that still needs improving on.
His 1st year was not ordinary. Yes we can harp on the turn overs (especially fumbles) were awful. But he had some really good games and broke some rookie records, didn't he?
This year should let us know, but a certain group has already made up its' mind hasn't it?
We've covered this real estate quite a bit, but, yes, Jones did have some good games his rookie year. But those were offset by some poor moments. Which is to be expected for a rookie. And that showed up in a QBR that was ordinary versus the rest of the league.
And, yes, 2021 is a critical year for sure.
My mind isn't made up, but I wouldn't buy anymore Jones stock. I would suggest one more year of holding the stock.
Mayfield had a somewhat similar 1st 2 years. He was 12-17 recordwise with 35 INT's and another 13 fumbles. He did not take care of the ball either. TD's were on par the rookie year, the big disparity is the 2nd year TD's.
Year 3 he makes a big jump after upgrading the line and his own maturity and is now a legit QB assuming it wasn't a fluke.
Saying he's already shown enough that you can believe he can win multiple titles is the "hot take" in this equation.
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They also seem to be inescapable. Manning was the Giants’ QB for fifteen years, and Jones’s immediate predecessor. Similarities to Eli are often cited as part of DJ’s appeal to the organization. I think that’s stupid and irrelevant, but it’s not going away.
Eli was a pretty good regular season QB who had two magical playoff runs. His career was unique and bizarre, and probably shouldn’t be used as a yardstick for anyone else, including Daniel Jones. Plus Jones is a completely different player, with both capabilities and limitations that Manning didn’t have. Reporters keep framing the dumb comparisons though, and Mara went down the rabbit hole when he could have just said “Eli was Eli. We want Daniel to be Daniel, not Eli.”
Here's the odd thing about comparing Jones (or anyone else) to Eli, IMO - for all the similarities that Eli and DJ seem to have, the one thing that Jones has not yet demonstrated is the magic in big moments that Eli had. In fairness, Eli hadn't really yet demonstrated that yet at the same stage in his career that Jones is in, so I'm not suggesting that DJ doesn't have that magic, just that we couldn't possibly know yet.
What makes that important, IMO, is that if you take that big game magic away from Eli's resume, his is not a career that anyone would especially want their young QB to emulate. Eli was guilty of too many turnovers, had more than his fair share of bonehead plays, and often felt like a slight notch below the best QBs in the game. But he had those two incredible SB runs, and in those eight games, was the best QB on the planet.
If DJ never displays that same flair for the big stage and elevating his performance in those spots, but otherwise replicates Eli's career exactly, I don't think his career would be considered a success.
And I think something like "clutchiness" (for lack of a better term, stolen from old Fire Joe Morgan posts) is so unpredictable and fluky that you can't just assume that it will be a common trait among two players who seem identical in every other way.
Eli had the "it" factor that made him better than what his overall career record and statistics would suggest. If he had lacked that, the rest of the resume isn't nearly as impressive.
And here's the thing about that "it" factor: most players DON'T have it, which is what made Eli so special. It's far more likely that DJ doesn't have it than it is that he does. And if DJ doesn't have that, it doesn't mean he'll be a failure, but it does mean we should be careful about simply hoping for him to replicate Eli's career.
Jones unfortunately hasn't showing anything remotely like this.
We've covered this real estate quite a bit, but, yes, Jones did have some good games his rookie year. But those were offset by some poor moments. Which is to be expected for a rookie. And that showed up in a QBR that was ordinary versus the rest of the league.
And, yes, 2021 is a critical year for sure.
My mind isn't made up, but I wouldn't buy anymore Jones stock. I would suggest one more year of holding the stock.
I will buy some stock because management has invested heavily in this asset. BW, Jones throws an accurate deep and is comfortable throwing to covered receivers because that is all he has know as a professional and college player.I am not projecting a new skill. This is 9ne he has demonstrated consistently. If they get him another weapon, this offense is possibly as efficient as the Rams were with a healthy Gurley a few years ago.
That's a big proclamation saying we are going to be the Rams, circa 2017-18.
Yes, Jones does seem to throw a good deep ball and he's a good runner on the edge. I don't know if the turnovers are just part of his DNA or something that can be coached out of him.
I'm more concerned about his ability to consistently read an NFL defense and his pocket acumen. He may be smart in the academic sense, but I don't trust his football IQ at this point. He doesn't seem that bright on a football field - yet.
And here is what gets missed about Jones - the more video/tape there is on him, the more DCs are going to dictate terms. So Jones is going to have to prove that he can handle the adjustments and execute. That's why I'm with Terps that we should just run Jones more on designed runs and take the risk. He seems to be a big strong guy who can turn the corner. So let's try to milk that...
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Canty isn't a moron. He just knows how the sports talk world works. It's fed by the vapors of hysterics and hot takes. Fans lap it up.
Saying that Daniel Jones isn't the guy yet is the opposite of a hot take. It's literally the consensus around the league and a pretty fair take.
Saying he's already shown enough that you can believe he can win multiple titles is the "hot take" in this equation.
ESPN, in general, is very down on Jones. Maybe I'm biased but I don't see Jones as a worse QB than what was shown by Jalen Hurts. Can someone objectively (so obviously not Go Terps) convince me that I'm wrong?
Tiki
Shockey
Burress
Toomer
combine that with a solid line and the offense should be better. You can only blame play calling for so long.
Eli bothered me because of the bad decisions.
It wasn't until the 2007 playoffs that I turned around on Eli and even then sometimes after that the bad decision making still came out, but I learned to appreciate what Eli was trying to do and why he made that decision (some times), but either way the 2007 playoffs gave Eli the benefit of the doubt in my mind.
Will Daniel Jones, who has a much worse OL and much worse skill players than Eli (in year 2 for both of them at least) get the chance to have his "2007 playoffs" for doubters like me?
Not sure, but he has been underwhelming and it may be poor OL, poor skill players, and poor scheme, but he makes poor decisions too and he has not yet earned the benefit of the doubt for me, much like Eli didn't for me until the end of his 4th season.
These are almost my exact same opinions..
Can we please also stop with the Eli comparisons, as there is none to be made for multiple reasons (1) They are not at all the same type of qb - Eli had quality arm talent and navigated the pocket very well (even when he was down), also running a quality 2 minute drill while Jones has an average NFL arm and has not shown he can do what Eli did in the pocket or in the 2 minute drill (this are just a few of the differences) (2) Eli was a highly regarded near consensus number 1 pick, who elevated an average Ole Miss team in the always tough SEC, Jones was a moderately productive qb at a non traditional football school, who struggled heavily against better competition and many questioned whether he was even a first round talent (3) the game is completely different today than it was in 2004. There are several other differences. Outside of a similar appearance and demeanor, they are completely different qbs. I'd say Joe Burrow is a better comparison to Eli (navigate the pocket well, sees the field well, not a speedster outside of the pocket, and has a quality NFL arm) than Jones.
We all hope Jones evolves into a top 10 NFL qb, but questioning whether he has the ability and the history as we've seen it is not unreasonable.
Jones unfortunately hasn't showing anything remotely like this.
In Jones first NFL game he literally carried this team to a win over TB.
Conviction on a QB happens way before they even step on the field. Most teams in the NFL have conviction during the draft process and that is how their mind is made up on whether or not he will be the guy. It's an opinion, it isn't base on the results yet.
So, yes, Jones has a ton to prove. But the conviction has always been there from NYF front office and especially Judge now, who actually goes above and beyond anything that DG has said about Jones.
Conviction on a QB happens way before they even step on the field. Most teams in the NFL have conviction during the draft process and that is how their mind is made up on whether or not he will be the guy. It's an opinion, it isn't base on the results yet.
So, yes, Jones has a ton to prove. But the conviction has always been there from NYF front office and especially Judge now, who actually goes above and beyond anything that DG has said about Jones.
we don't know what Judge feels about Jones. We only know what he has said.
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but it's BS to me that he says "i don't know how you can have conviction on the guy"
Conviction on a QB happens way before they even step on the field. Most teams in the NFL have conviction during the draft process and that is how their mind is made up on whether or not he will be the guy. It's an opinion, it isn't base on the results yet.
So, yes, Jones has a ton to prove. But the conviction has always been there from NYF front office and especially Judge now, who actually goes above and beyond anything that DG has said about Jones.
we don't know what Judge feels about Jones. We only know what he has said.
Time and time again. With unsolicited praise at almost every turn.
In fact, if you believe, as some of you do, that he is lying about Jones, you must believe that he is lying always and about everything.
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but it's BS to me that he says "i don't know how you can have conviction on the guy"
Conviction on a QB happens way before they even step on the field. Most teams in the NFL have conviction during the draft process and that is how their mind is made up on whether or not he will be the guy. It's an opinion, it isn't base on the results yet.
So, yes, Jones has a ton to prove. But the conviction has always been there from NYF front office and especially Judge now, who actually goes above and beyond anything that DG has said about Jones.
we don't know what Judge feels about Jones. We only know what he has said.
Time and time again. With unsolicited praise at almost every turn.
In fact, if you believe, as some of you do, that he is lying about Jones, you must believe that he is lying always and about everything.
Lol.. coaches say what they feel they have to in order to get the best out of the team and keep perceptions up. Period. It's not lying. It's coach-speak. Judge is not your ten year old son talking about who ate the cookies. Get fucking real.
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but it's BS to me that he says "i don't know how you can have conviction on the guy"
Conviction on a QB happens way before they even step on the field. Most teams in the NFL have conviction during the draft process and that is how their mind is made up on whether or not he will be the guy. It's an opinion, it isn't base on the results yet.
So, yes, Jones has a ton to prove. But the conviction has always been there from NYF front office and especially Judge now, who actually goes above and beyond anything that DG has said about Jones.
we don't know what Judge feels about Jones. We only know what he has said.
Time and time again. With unsolicited praise at almost every turn.
In fact, if you believe, as some of you do, that he is lying about Jones, you must believe that he is lying always and about everything.
Lol.. coaches say what they feel they have to in order to get the best out of the team and keep perceptions up. Period. It's not lying. It's coach-speak. Judge is not your ten year old son talking about who ate the cookies. Get fucking real.
You totally have never listened to him speak, have you. Or maybe what he says can't get past the words you created for him already in your head.
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but it's BS to me that he says "i don't know how you can have conviction on the guy"
Conviction on a QB happens way before they even step on the field. Most teams in the NFL have conviction during the draft process and that is how their mind is made up on whether or not he will be the guy. It's an opinion, it isn't base on the results yet.
So, yes, Jones has a ton to prove. But the conviction has always been there from NYF front office and especially Judge now, who actually goes above and beyond anything that DG has said about Jones.
we don't know what Judge feels about Jones. We only know what he has said.
Time and time again. With unsolicited praise at almost every turn.
In fact, if you believe, as some of you do, that he is lying about Jones, you must believe that he is lying always and about everything.
Lol.. coaches say what they feel they have to in order to get the best out of the team and keep perceptions up. Period. It's not lying. It's coach-speak. Judge is not your ten year old son talking about who ate the cookies. Get fucking real.
You totally have never listened to him speak, have you. Or maybe what he says can't get past the words you created for him already in your head.
It doesn't matter. You do not know what he says in private and you do not know what he thinks. You only know what he says in public statements. You may never know what he thinks of Jones right now. If Jones wins championships I am sure he will love him. If Jones sucks in 2021 and they ditch him, I am sure Judge was more ambivalent than his public facing statements indicate. If you believe what coaches and GMs say in public facing comments about their players you are gullible. They NEVER or RARELY say their players suck even if they believe it. It is their job to keep morale high and demeaning players hurts their value down the road if you seek to trade them.
so you publicly give your guy a positive spin in the meantime.
the time for a real decision was last year picking with tua and herbert on the clock
so you publicly give your guy a positive spin in the meantime.
the time for a real decision was last year picking with tua and herbert on the clock
bingo.. this is a good year too though. But I agree it seems they are fine with Jones this season. I don't necessarily agree with it but it seems to be the case. I think they should still check out the top-5 QBs in case one drops, whcih probably won't happen, or if they fall in love.
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i don't think jones is the guy, but they clearly aren't looking at QB this year with where they are picking and with all the needs on this team they shouldn't be trading up right now
so you publicly give your guy a positive spin in the meantime.
the time for a real decision was last year picking with tua and herbert on the clock
bingo.. this is a good year too though. But I agree it seems they are fine with Jones this season. I don't necessarily agree with it but it seems to be the case. I think they should still check out the top-5 QBs in case one drops, whcih probably won't happen, or if they fall in love.
Considering 5th year option has to be decided after the 2021 season I think the Giants are willing to give him this year with added talent at WR to render a decision. Unless he has a stellar year I could see Giants declining the option because worst case scenario, which would be him breaking out in 2022 not 2021, they can franchise Jones. Similar situation the Jets are facing with Sam Darnold except the Jets are in a position to draft a better QB although he is not without his warts. Why can't Trevor Lawrence be caught with a gas mask?
Those posters repeat it ad nauseum, they create memes and barrage the board trying to say that it is rampant stupidity that should be evident to anyone with ears and eyes.
But when Judge heaps positive things on the QB, even when unsolicited, it is just coach-speak and shouldn't be listened to.
You really can't make up the fact that one poster who talks about "State of the Giants" addresses by Mara as having a tone of weight, completely dismisses positive news coming out.
And it goes back to the question I always have to those one-sided takes - Why?? It should be a simple answer.
I agree that it's a bit disingenuousness to chalk up JJs comments to just being "coachspeak" and to say we don't know if he believes in DJ or not.
However, should DJ prove to be more of a liability than an asset, JJs praise this off-season doesn't preclude him from changing course and being ok with bringing in a new QB.
Those posters repeat it ad nauseum, they create memes and barrage the board trying to say that it is rampant stupidity that should be evident to anyone with ears and eyes.
But when Judge heaps positive things on the QB, even when unsolicited, it is just coach-speak and shouldn't be listened to.
You really can't make up the fact that one poster who talks about "State of the Giants" addresses by Mara as having a tone of weight, completely dismisses positive news coming out.
And it goes back to the question I always have to those one-sided takes - Why?? It should be a simple answer.
Putting aside DG's bad computer joke. I will say you can take negative comments about players more literally than positive comments. Negative comments run counter to the general interest of morale and player valuation. It is more likely the coach means it. Whereas positive comments may just be platitudes. For all we know it is a condition of Judge's employment to be upbeat about Jones.