Only requires a Yes or No answer within the context of Jones remaining healthy.
Is Year Three it for DJ? Will the success or failure of the Giants this season declare Jones as the future of the team or a bust/waste of the #6 pick in the 2019 draft? Or does he deserve or require another year or two regardless of outcome in the 21-22 season?
QB Purgatory. QB Heaven.
I know, a TON of moving parts, crazy variables and unbelievable uncertainty. But what does your
gut tell you after the Giants invested in personnel heavily this offseason? Just your reaction - no need to get into the weeds (unless you want to, oc). And yes, I want him to succeed and I'm pushing all my chips to the middle of the table on DJ and riding that fuckin train. That said...
My answer - Yes. This season seals his fate and he has a great year.
Most of all, he needs to stay healthy. If he has a healthy year I think he will have a good year.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine
I think he improves with more consistence of the offense with the same OC and having Barkley, Golladay and others on offense that should help a lot.
Modest improvement would be a yellow flag.
Most of all, he needs to stay healthy. If he has a healthy year I think he will have a good year.
Fair points about Wentz and Co. But those teams didn't go hard in FA to the degree the Giants did this offseason. The FO is putting a TON of pressure on Jones by design or not. Good. He's never had better weapons, better OL or better coaching. Fuckin prove it, Daniel. I think he'll do very well.
I think he can.
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Sorry to be harsh, but the oft repeated phrase of "Please make this stop!" is one of the dumbest BBI-isms of all times.
Do you not have the power to "make it stop" by simply not opening the thread?
Saying "make it stop" is akin to saying, "I'm tired of talking about this so everyone else should just stop talking about it too".
Again, don't open the thread if you don't want to discuss it.
A very big investment is pending....and he is very much on the fence....he has had great throws, games....and not so great...he has missed time...it is certainly time for him to put it all together
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this stop! Rehashing the same bullshit over and over and over again! There is nothing new here or anywhere else. The same people will say the SAME THINGS, pro or con..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Sorry to be harsh, but the oft repeated phrase of "Please make this stop!" is one of the dumbest BBI-isms of all times.
Do you not have the power to "make it stop" by simply not opening the thread?
Saying "make it stop" is akin to saying, "I'm tired of talking about this so everyone else should just stop talking about it too".
Again, don't open the thread if you don't want to discuss it.
I don’t open these threads in general. I see Terps/bw/Greg/Producer et al and I know what to expect. It’s the front page of the forum where I have to keep scrolling past, Jones, Jones, Jones, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley! It’s tiresome..
Even on the threads I do open where I want to read input from various posters, I have to scroll past the voluminous posts of tge same posters saying the same friggin’ things and it destroys the joy and continuity of various opinions by VARIOUS posters who are worth reading, PRO or CON..
So, it’s not about ignoring a thread per se, that’s easy. It’s going on one I want to participate in and seeing the same posters, who, in order to ignore, I have to scroll past and tgen seeing their same stubborn/entrenched points catch my eye as I try to bypass them..
So no, It’s not as easy as ignoring their threads. I want to read rational posts from Big Blue Blogger, JonC and other reasonable posters who make good, salient points whether I agree with them or not..
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this stop! Rehashing the same bullshit over and over and over again! There is nothing new here or anywhere else. The same people will say the SAME THINGS, pro or con..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Sorry to be harsh, but the oft repeated phrase of "Please make this stop!" is one of the dumbest BBI-isms of all times.
Do you not have the power to "make it stop" by simply not opening the thread?
Saying "make it stop" is akin to saying, "I'm tired of talking about this so everyone else should just stop talking about it too".
Again, don't open the thread if you don't want to discuss it.
I don’t open these threads in general. I see Terps/bw/Greg/Producer et al and I know what to expect. It’s the front page of the forum where I have to keep scrolling past, Jones, Jones, Jones, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley! It’s tiresome..
Even on the threads I do open where I want to read input from various posters, I have to scroll past the voluminous posts of tge same posters saying the same friggin’ things and it destroys the joy and continuity of various opinions by VARIOUS posters who are worth reading, PRO or CON..
So, it’s not about ignoring a thread per se, that’s easy. It’s going on one I want to participate in and seeing the same posters, who, in order to ignore, I have to scroll past and tgen seeing their same stubborn/entrenched points catch my eye as I try to bypass them..
So no, It’s not as easy as ignoring their threads. I want to read rational posts from Big Blue Blogger, JonC and other reasonable posters who make good, salient points whether I agree with them or not..
+1
However, I have read from a few insiders, and detected from the tone of Mara, that Jones will get all of ‘21 and ‘22 to showcase if he’s the solution. The brass is all in on giving their pick to replace Eli every chance to succeed. They will not cut bait until Jones no longer has a pulse for the position.
For me, if we shore up the OL as the final fix, then we have eliminated all excuses for Jones in ‘21. So it will be all on him to perform as a real point producer and not just become what many of us fear - a game manager only.
This franchise has a propensity to stick with what they have, and a huge aversion to change, so I don't trust them to make an objective call.
Whatever type of season DJ has, I hope it leaves the Giants with clarity moving forward. Having said that, obviously the preference is for the light bulb to go on and have him play lights out, leaving him as the unquestioned franchise guy.
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Well said, sir.
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this stop! Rehashing the same bullshit over and over and over again! There is nothing new here or anywhere else. The same people will say the SAME THINGS, pro or con..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Sorry to be harsh, but the oft repeated phrase of "Please make this stop!" is one of the dumbest BBI-isms of all times.
Do you not have the power to "make it stop" by simply not opening the thread?
Saying "make it stop" is akin to saying, "I'm tired of talking about this so everyone else should just stop talking about it too".
Again, don't open the thread if you don't want to discuss it.
Patronizing comment -- especially given BB56's status on BBI.
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this stop! Rehashing the same bullshit over and over and over again! There is nothing new here or anywhere else. The same people will say the SAME THINGS, pro or con..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Sorry to be harsh, but the oft repeated phrase of "Please make this stop!" is one of the dumbest BBI-isms of all times.
Do you not have the power to "make it stop" by simply not opening the thread?
Saying "make it stop" is akin to saying, "I'm tired of talking about this so everyone else should just stop talking about it too".
Again, don't open the thread if you don't want to discuss it.
Patronizing comment -- especially given BB56's status on BBI.
Topics tend to get repeated a lot during the off-season, it happens on all sports forms.
Trying to shout others down is counterproductive the point of a forum, which is discussion. The topics will diversify as we get closer to the draft, then there will probably be a lot of similar topics again until preseason.
By stability, I mean is management not panicking, is there a logical architectural plan for the offense etc.
Plenty of guys in Jones’s talent band have taken teams to the playoffs.
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
I'm new here man. No need to be an asshole.
By stability, I mean is management not panicking, is there a logical architectural plan for the offense etc.
Plenty of guys in Jones’s talent band have taken teams to the playoffs.
That's true, there are many "good" QBs who have taken their teams to the playoffs. However, it's a different story when it comes to Super Bowl titles. It's usually the "great" ones that are able to win championships.
I don't think Jones is destined for greatness. If I'm an owner or GM and I think the ceiling on my QB is "good", I need to continue looking for a QB.
This assessment has been made in the face of a) the entire history of NFL QBs needing time to develop, b) lack of skill players to throw to and a majority OL that played NFL football at their respective positions for the first time in 2020
Sometimes you actually have to wait and see the results that you ask for before quitting on the team
I don't think Jones is destined for greatness. If I'm an owner or GM and I think the ceiling on my QB is "good", I need to continue looking for a QB.
The Giants have won 4 Super Bowls behind Manning, Simms, and Hoss — and between the four of them, arguably the only great season any of them had was Manning in 2011.
If Jones can be consistently good, durable, and rise to the occasion in big games, then he’s part of the solution.
we've both taken enough bullets on Jones- WITH the caveat that we know he hasn't performed up to the standard so far of the 6th overall pick, hell, he needs to get way better.
I think the issue is that there's a lot of posters who love to play the wait and see game with other teams, or they reference other QBs who are awesome in their 3rd and 4th year that needed time, but when it comes to the Giants they don't have that same philosophy, because it gives them a reason to bitch about the front office
My mind isn’t made up on the guy at all. But I put him squarely in the column of guys who have a lot to individually prove.
I do think it’s a little silly how his very obvious issues get summarily excused away by some. He’s played some really horrible football at times as a Giant. If those are vulnerabilities opponents can routinely exploit, he’s in trouble.
I think he will play better this year but likely still show some issues. Yet the Giants will move forward with him into 2022 and maybe even a little further. However my gut tells me he really won’t reach the level the team is looking for and somewhere in the next 3 years there will be a new guy in place.
Hope I am wrong and Jones becomes a franchise guy but just doesn’t feel like it.
I believe that DJ has the tools to be successful but his OL has to improve dramatically. I do not think the OL has improved at all and may have gotten worse with the loss of Zeitler so at this point to ask DJ to be better is very difficult since the major factor is the OL. If we put him with a top 15 OL then he will be a top 15 QB or better.
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In comment 15209416 Big Blue '56 said:
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this stop! Rehashing the same bullshit over and over and over again! There is nothing new here or anywhere else. The same people will say the SAME THINGS, pro or con..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Sorry to be harsh, but the oft repeated phrase of "Please make this stop!" is one of the dumbest BBI-isms of all times.
Do you not have the power to "make it stop" by simply not opening the thread?
Saying "make it stop" is akin to saying, "I'm tired of talking about this so everyone else should just stop talking about it too".
Again, don't open the thread if you don't want to discuss it.
Patronizing comment -- especially given BB56's status on BBI.
Topics tend to get repeated a lot during the off-season, it happens on all sports forms.
Trying to shout others down is counterproductive the point of a forum, which is discussion. The topics will diversify as we get closer to the draft, then there will probably be a lot of similar topics again until preseason.
Yep, well said. Telling others to shut up because you don’t have the temperament to handle a fan message board is simply ridiculous...
I think he'll perform better then he has been, whether that will be reflected in the win/loss column or enough to silence his critics remains TBD.
I believe that DJ has the tools to be successful but his OL has to improve dramatically. I do not think the OL has improved at all and may have gotten worse with the loss of Zeitler so at this point to ask DJ to be better is very difficult since the major factor is the OL. If we put him with a top 15 OL then he will be a top 15 QB or better.
Well said. I’ve been saying for weeks that this Humpty Dumpty O line is the key to everything. All the Waddles, Smith, and Pitts won’t make a difference unless this O line gets better, and if the O line still sucks the DJ won’t get any better either.
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this stop! Rehashing the same bullshit over and over and over again! There is nothing new here or anywhere else. The same people will say the SAME THINGS, pro or con..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Message boards are a dying medium and the activity on this board seems to be getting lower and lower. I don't think restricting threads which, whether you are sick of them are not, are legitimate Giants topics and actual football talk, is a good idea.
But the question is after how many 100's of times reposting the same thing does it cease becoming legitimate, and start becoming just trolling. I agree with BB56 entirely. Its like some wake up and say "lets troll BBI a little more".
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this stop! Rehashing the same bullshit over and over and over again! There is nothing new here or anywhere else. The same people will say the SAME THINGS, pro or con..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Message boards are a dying medium and the activity on this board seems to be getting lower and lower. I don't think restricting threads which, whether you are sick of them are not, are legitimate Giants topics and actual football talk, is a good idea.
But the question is after how many 100's of times reposting the same thing does it cease becoming legitimate, and start becoming just trolling. I agree with BB56 entirely. Its like some wake up and say "lets troll BBI a little more".
oh come on. If someone feels trolled by different opinions about a QB on a fan forum, and feels wounded by that, they need to seek out some therapy.
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spot on.
we've both taken enough bullets on Jones- WITH the caveat that we know he hasn't performed up to the standard so far of the 6th overall pick, hell, he needs to get way better.
I think the issue is that there's a lot of posters who love to play the wait and see game with other teams, or they reference other QBs who are awesome in their 3rd and 4th year that needed time, but when it comes to the Giants they don't have that same philosophy, because it gives them a reason to bitch about the front office
I’ve said many times that DJ should have NEVER been picked in the first place, and certainly not the 6th pick in the draft. The team sucked at the time, and still does for that matter, but Eli should have been allowed to start his last year. The team was still going to suck, and the Giants still would have gotten a high #1 pick last year when the Burrow, Tua, and Hebert was there. Picking DJ at #6 the year before just set the team back even further, and wasted a #6 pick, which the Also wasted a pick on Barkley too, which also set the team back. Neither pick has made the team better.
The Group Think is certainly strong here...
His name is Jones,big quarterback, plays for Giants
and just look at me
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spot on.
we've both taken enough bullets on Jones- WITH the caveat that we know he hasn't performed up to the standard so far of the 6th overall pick, hell, he needs to get way better.
I think the issue is that there's a lot of posters who love to play the wait and see game with other teams, or they reference other QBs who are awesome in their 3rd and 4th year that needed time, but when it comes to the Giants they don't have that same philosophy, because it gives them a reason to bitch about the front office
I’ve said many times that DJ should have NEVER been picked in the first place, and certainly not the 6th pick in the draft. The team sucked at the time, and still does for that matter, but Eli should have been allowed to start his last year. The team was still going to suck, and the Giants still would have gotten a high #1 pick last year when the Burrow, Tua, and Hebert was there. Picking DJ at #6 the year before just set the team back even further, and wasted a #6 pick, which the Also wasted a pick on Barkley too, which also set the team back. Neither pick has made the team better.
I agree that Jones at #6 looks now as an unjustifiable reach.
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this stop! Rehashing the same bullshit over and over and over again! There is nothing new here or anywhere else. The same people will say the SAME THINGS, pro or con..
Unless anything new happens, these threads should now be removed by the mods, imv..
It DOESN’T MATTER WHAT WE THINK, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA AFTER THIS COMING SEASON..
Message boards are a dying medium and the activity on this board seems to be getting lower and lower. I don't think restricting threads which, whether you are sick of them are not, are legitimate Giants topics and actual football talk, is a good idea.
But the question is after how many 100's of times reposting the same thing does it cease becoming legitimate, and start becoming just trolling. I agree with BB56 entirely. Its like some wake up and say "lets troll BBI a little more".
Again, it's slow right now, so the topics that get people talking are generally going to be on repeat. We'll probably see a lot of repeat topics arguing about the draft picks once that happens. It's not trolling, just typical slow off-season sports fan message board stuff.
Like I said in the "bias" thread, the team names and usernames change, but the content is the same across all the forums I visit.