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2021 NFL Draft Preview: Cornerback

Sy'56 : 4/5/2021 7:14 am
CORNERBACK

Format includes a quick position overview, my grading scale and what the number means, the summary and final grade from my final report on my top 15, a quick additional note on the player, and my ranks 16-30 with grades only.

*I AM NOT DOING NFL COMPARISONS

QUICK POSITION OVERVIEW

The signing of James Bradberry from last year’s free agency period was one of the best signings we have seen this franchise make in a long time. Having a reliable, quality presence on the outside week to week means more to a defense than most understand. Scheming around that is so much more opportunistic and with the versatility at safety, this defense has a lot of options. The other outside corner role was a revolving door in 2020, as DeAndre Baker was released. The signing of Adoree Jackson in this year’s free agency period is a huge net-gain for this defense. Now they have two reliable guys on the outside, an up-and-coming nickel in Darnay Holmes, and adequate depth in Isaac Yiadom, Ryan Lewis, and Quincy Wilson. Sam Beal remains an unknown. One can make the argument that it is a thin group when looking at the future. You always want to have 1-2 quality backups on the outside because they do see the field plenty and you’re an injury away from a glaring hole that a good opposing offense can torch.

GRADING SCALE

90+ All Pro Projection
85+: Pro Bowl Projection
81-84: 1st rounder – should be able to play right away
79-80: 2nd rounder – Should be able to rotate right away – Year 2 starter
77-78: 3rd rounder – Should be able to rotate by end of rookie year – Year 2/3 starter
74-76: Early Day 3 – Special Teams – Future backup/possible starter
71-73: Mid Day 3 – Special Teams – Future backup / gamble starter
68-70: Late Day 3 – Back end of roster / Practice Squad / Development guy
65-67: Preferred UDFA
60-64: Undrafted FA


TOP 15 GRADES AND ANALYSIS

1. Patrick Surtain II / Alabama / 6’2-202

Grade: 85


Summary: Junior entry from Plantation, Florida. Three-year starter that began his career as a rare true freshman starter at cornerback when looking back at the Nick Saban era. He went on to start 38 straight games. Ended his career as a 1st Team All American, SEC Defensive Player of the Year, and finalist for the Thorpe, Bednarik, Nagurski, and Lott Awards respectively. Surtain is the son of former NFL cornerback Patrick Surtain. Like his father, the young pedigree plays with outstanding strength and aggression. He has the size and physical brand that can take over and dominate receivers on the outside. Even though there are some deep movement and tracking issues, he is a starting caliber cornerback right now because of how advanced he is with techniques and how consistent of a presence he provides. He is better in zone than he is man, but he can fit into any scheme and play week 1.

*Prior to the Jackson signing, Surtain II was one of five guys I had pegged to NYG. He is an ideal fit for the scheme and there was a hole on the opposite side of Bradberry. Add in the fact his grade met the value of #11, I really thought this would be the direction they would lean toward. I still think there is a chance it happens, but obviously less likely. Surtain II has a couple issues with the deep ball that concern me a bit, but he is so good in every other area. He is going to be very good.

2. Jaycee Horn / South Carolina / 6’1-205

Grade: 85


Summary: Junior entry from Alpharetta, Georgia. Three-year starter that earned 2nd Team All SEC honors in 2020. Opted out of the 2020 season after 7 games. On a short list of true freshmen that have started at South Carolina. Some of the other names include Stephon Gilmore (Patriots), JaDaveon Clowney (Titans), and Bryan Edwards (Raiders). Horn, from day one, has been an impressive and important part to the Gamecocks defense. He plays a physical game, capable of taking on a big possession receiver and beating him to the ball. While there are some concerns with his turn and run ability, there is enough he can do, notably in a zone heavy scheme, that can make a big difference. The ball skills, instincts, and downhill explosion will make him a starter early in his career.

*The single best performance I have seen out of any corner in recent years was the one Horn put out against Auburn last fall. I have no quarrels with anyone that has him at CB1, him and Surtain II are equally very good. Horn shows more ability in man coverage and I think his upside is higher. If he evolves more like he did over the past 2 years, we may be looking at one of the top 3 or 4 corners in football.

3. Caleb Farley / Virginia Tech / 6’1-207

Grade: 81


Summary: Fourth year junior entry from Maiden, North Carolina. A two-year starter that earned 1st Team All ACC honors in 2019 after leading the conference in pass break ups while adding 4 interceptions. He opted out of the 2020 season. Farley was a high school quarterback that initially tried his hand at wide receiver in 2017 before tearing his ACL, leading to a redshirt. He came back in 2018, made the transition to cornerback, and started the next two seasons. Farley’s top shelf height, length, and long speed make him a very attractive prospect for any scheme in the NFL. He can blanket the opposition’s targets with both size and speed in addition to possessing receiver-caliber ball skills. The glaring issue is the fact that he only played in 23 career college games, with his 2019 being cut short because of a nerve issue in his back that later needed a procedure. There will need to be extra medical screening done here, but his tape and tools pass all the tests.

*I never had Farley in the running for CB1 in this class, nor did I ever see him as a top 20 guy. Still a very good prospect and 1st round talent though. He has the tools, a case can be made he is earlier on the progression scale than others, and he showed plenty of playmaking skills. Farley simply has too many question marks for me to “love” him. Medical and small area movement. Still can be a starter in year one I think.

4. Ifeati Melifonwu / Syracuse / 6’3-212

Grade: 80


Summary: Fourth year junior entry from South Grafton, Massachusetts. Two-year starter that was 2nd Team All ACC in 2020, the only year in which he played every game. He led the team with 17 pass break ups over the past two years combined and showed a safety’s type impact on the running game. Melifonwu is dripping with talent, much like his brother did coming out of Connecticut in 2017 when he was a 2nd round pick of the Raiders. The younger brother has the kind of size and speed for the position that is hard to find when trying to connect it to a player with an actual cornerback skill set. He attacks the ball with tremendous precision and accuracy, plays a physical brand, and is just scratching the surface. If he takes in NFL coaching and cleans up some simple but vital techniques, he can be a menace on the outside. High upside player that needs work.

*I am a bit higher on Melifonwu than most. I think he is a borderline first rounder, partially because of the versatility he can bring to the table. If I were to grade him strictly as a safety, he would be right around here as well. Teams that really value the size at corner are going to be high on him. He is twitchy, agile, and quick which doesn’t usually match up with this height and length. He can do so much in the secondary.

5. Greg Newsome II / Northwestern / 6’0-192

Grade: 79


Summary: Junior entry from Chicago, Illinois. Three-year starter that earned 1st Team All Big 10 honors in 2020. A very fluid and easy moving athlete, Newsome brings the desired height, length, and athleticism to the table that NFL corners need. He can play on the outside and be left alone on an island. His footwork and hip movement look ideal, and he has shown the ability to play with high-level ball skills. Newsome II only started 18 games over his career and there are some inconsistencies across the board. He will get caught looking in the backfield too often and his physical maturity still has a ways to go. He plays weak on contact and will not factor much against the run. He can be a starting corner in time but would be best suited for a situation that brought him along a little slower over the course of the first year or two of his career.

*There is a lot of hype around Newsome II and I think he is going to get drafted somewhere in the 20s. I’m not that far off from that evaluation, but I do question how quick he can make an impact. A few issues in his game are what I saw out of Jeff Okudah in his disappointing year in DET. It takes a few corners multiple years before they’re high quality, and that is the path I see both those guys taking.

6. Aaron Robinson / Central Florida / 6’0-190

Grade: 79


Summary: Fifth year senior from Deerfield Beach, Florida. Began his career at Alabama in 2016 where he played in 13 games. Transferred to Central Florida in 2017 and redshirted. Two-year starter that earned 2nd Team All AAC honors in both 2019 and 2020. Robinson has the pro-caliber foot speed and burst that enables him to stay sticky to his man on all levels of the route tree. He can play the game with his feet rather than getting too grabby with his hands. Robinson has a lot of dog in him. He is always one of the toughest players on the field and he knows it. Even though he needs to control where he gets aggressive and where to gamble, he is the kind of player that elevates the energy of a defense. That doesn’t occur much from cornerbacks. His size may keep him at nickel but he can play both.

*There are some corners that elevate their game with swagger. They are constantly getting in fights, constantly running their mouth. I understand that isn’t an approach for everyone t get behind, but I personally love it. Much prefer that than guys on opposing teams laughing with each other all game and trading jerseys afterward. Robinson hates his opponent every week, and he plays like it. He also has really well-developed technique and footwork. Little gamble here, but I think he is starting in the league within a year or two.

7. Tyson Campbell / Georgia / 6’1-193

Grade: 79


Summary: Junior entry from Plantation, Florida. Three-year starter that was a key part of a loaded Georgia secondary. Campbell was a five-star recruit that developed from athlete with upside to full blown pro-caliber starting corner. His body type fits in exactly with what the league is looking for. His height, length, and speed have the potential to shut the big deep threats down at the next level. He is a light and easy mover with fluid hips and flexible ankles. His ability to seamlessly change direction with this kind of body is rare. Campbell still has a ways to go in his progression when it comes to locating downfield passes, however. His athleticism looks uncomfortable when he is on an island deep. He lost too many 50/50 situations and simply didn’t produce enough to be considered a first rounder, but his upside is that of a starting corner. If his progression path stays on the path he forged over his career, his upside is as good as any at the position in this class.

*Upside-based grade here. There are safer prospects below him with similar grades but this where one can get more subjective with how they stack guys. I saw flashes out of Campbell that I didn’t see from others. His easy turn and run ability, top shelf speed, and size make him an attractive long-term prospect.

8. Paulson Adebo / Stanford / 6’1-198

Grade: 79


Summary: Fourth year junior entry from Mansfield, Texas. Two-year starter that earned 1st Team All-Pac 12 honors both seasons. Also earned All American honors in 2019. Opted out of the 2020 season. Adebo was very productive over the course of his short playing career. He was on the field for just 22 games but still walked away with 8 interceptions and 29 pass break ups. This tall, long, and fast cover man has proven receiver-caliber ball skills spread across multiple seasons. He is a try-hard corner that pursues the action hard on all downs, all situations. He is a smart and well-spoken kid that will get the most out of himself. There are a few essential techniques that he will need to clean up, however. He plays really high and it messes with his ability to minimize separation underneath. His tool set is there, he just needs to become more machine-like. High upside talent here that has the tools the NFL wants.

*Adebo was one of the guys I really wanted to watch in 2020. He opted out though and I didn’t want to move him any higher than this even though I do think he can play like a 1st rounder. He had a really impressive Pro Day, and he is a really smart kid + hard worker. He has the tools and shows the ability to make a lot of plays on the ball. He just had a few backpedal and turning issues that, without the 2020 tape to look back on, I’m not currently sure about.

9. Kelvin Joseph / Kentucky / 6’1-192

Grade: 79


Summary: Third year sophomore entry from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Began his career at LSU where he was a rotational backup in 2018 before transferring to Kentucky which forced him to sit out all of 2019. Started 9 games in 2020. Joseph is a smooth and easy mover that has plus-athletic traits attached to a really long frame. His skill set looks NFL ready right now, as he can turn and run as if he were on ice skates on top of showing the ability to play the ball in the air like a receiver. The issue here is a significant lack of experience. He has 9 career starts and played in just 20 games total. High risk, high reward cover man.

*There are a couple guys in the league that have a 1st round grade on Joseph. No arguments against that from me. He is as fluid and fast as they come. The lack of experience increases his risk a ton and I saw a couple red flags when it came to being physical in both coverage and run defense. Nobody would be surprised to see him being the top corner in this class a few years from now.

10. Elijah Molden / Washington / 5’10-190

Grade: 79


Summary: Senior entry from West Linn, Oregon. Two-plus year starter that is a two-time 1st Team All-Pac 12 honoree. Molden was a chess piece for the Washington secondary that can project to multiple positions in the NFL. He has the skill set to be a high-level nickel defender but can also play a free safety type role. He flies around the field without any hesitation. Molden is a true student of the game that is self-made. His tools won’t win any awards, as he falls under the desired lines when it comes to pure size and speed. However, his short area burst and quickness gets him around the action often. Molden is a true leader of the defense type, one that will make players around him better and hide deficiencies via smart and active play.

*There are certain teams that are going to get everything out of this kid. He is blue collar player that is smarter than most prospects coming out. He can wear a lot of hats. I just hope the right coach/scheme gets their hands on him. If he is put into the wrong place, he will be merely average at best.

11. Benjamin St. Juste / Minnesota / 6’3-200

Grade: 77


Summary: Fifth year senior from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Began his career at Michigan and spent two years there. Two-year starter for the Gophers that earned Honorable Mention All-Big 10 honors in 2019. St. Juste fits the mold of corners that many teams want now. He is tall and twitchy with plus-length. He has a nicely developed frame with an easy-moving lower half. St. Juste may not check all the boxes when it comes to long speed, thus he will need protection over the top or play a specific role at the next level. His quality of play has been on a solid and consistent upward trajectory since the start of 2019 and there are intriguing tools here to try and develop.

*St. Juste was really far down the scouting lists that I get to cross check over the summer. When I say far down, I am talking outside of the top 50 (just cornerbacks). I knew he would finish higher than that, but even I was not anticipating him finishing this high. He was one of the first Shrine Bowl recommendations I sent out. Plain and simple, you just don’t get a guy with this kind of agility and balance paired with this height often. It is rare, actually. If he were at a SEC school, we may be talking round 1.

12. Shakur Brown / Michigan State / 5’10-190

Grade: 77


Summary: Fourth year junior entry from Stockbridge, Georgia. Two-year starter that broke out in 2020, earning 1st Team All Big 10 honors after he led the FBS in interceptions per game. His 5 picks in just 7 games highlighted his ability to make plays on the ball while also displaying superior sticky coverage potential. Brown isn’t overly big or fast, but he plays hard and will stick the NFL slots naturally. He is a short strider with elite agility. He projects to a starting nickel role in time if he can prove to say healthy and progress his mental game.

*Brown has nickel written all over him. Not just his size, but his movement and sticky-style in coverage underneath. Was his breakout 2020 season real? Or just a product of a short year? He is a tough dude that plays with some attitude and swagger.

13. Eric Stokes / Georgia / 6’1-194

Grade: 77


Summary: Fourth year junior entry from Covington, Georgia. Two-year starter that earned 2nd Team All SEC honors in 2019, 1st Team in 2020. In a crowded secondary with NFL talent all over the place, it was Stokes that led the team in pass break ups in 2019 and interceptions in 2020. The former high school track star developed nicely into his frame that has natural height and length to it. He still needs to add some bulk so he can maintain power positions and balance in traffic against physical pass catchers, but his long speed and easy burst really minimizes the separation receivers can obtain all over the route tree. He will be a dependable man-cover corner capable of playing early in his career with the upside of being a very good number two corner.

*Stokes got put on some radars when he ran a sub 4.35 at the Georgia Pro Day. We already knew he was fast, that wasn’t ever the question. His questions will revolve around physical impact on contact and the ability to anticipate. I just wish I saw a bit more natural flow in his game. If he makes gains in that area, he can be a starter in a similar way to the new NYG starter Adoree Jackson.

14. Asante Samuel Jr / Florida State / 5’10-184

Grade: 77


Summary: Junior entry from Sunrise, Florida. Son of former Super Bowl winning NFL cornerback Asante Samuel. A three-year starter that earned 1st Team All ACC honors in 2020, 3rd Team in 2019. Samuel, like his father, is a ball hawk that can make up for physical shortcomings with his instinctive nature and precise footwork. He broke up 29 passes in 32 games while intercepting another 4. He was a bright spot among the struggling FSU program. Samuel’s lack of size and questionable speed could get him in trouble if left alone against NFL receivers on the outside. He doesn’t always look comfortable down the field and in traffic. However, when it comes to sitting back and diagnosing the action in front of him, Samuel Jr looks NFL-ready. He can be eased into action and is most attractive in a scheme with safety help deep.

*Samuel is going to be a very good nickel. He is a bit scheme-specific, one that favors zone, but for the team that gets him will know that. He could slip into day 3 because of the crazy CB depth in this class. And I bet he makes a year-1 impact.

15. Kary Vincent / LSU / 5’10-185

Grade: 77


Summary: Senior entry from Houston, Texas. Three-year starter that opted out of the 2020 season. Son of former NFL cornerback Kary Vincent Sr. A former high school state champion sprinter that also ran track for the Tigers in college. Vincent may be the fastest defender in the class. His burst, acceleration, and top end speed are all tied together. He plays at a rate faster than everyone else when he knows what he is going after. The issue seems to be that he just doesn’t always mentally click when deciphering route concepts and the passer’s intentions. Vincent was moved around the secondary a ton, seeing a lot of looks at nickel corner and free safety. A team needs to try and develop him at one spot because the tools are good enough to be a big-time factor at the next level. He isn’t a physical player and his instincts aren’t natural, so the nickel spot is likely his best spot where the power-shortcomings won’t hurt as much.

*I had Vincent top 5 in my stack at the start of 2020. His opt out was less than ideal. I don’t want to penalize him for it, but I do have a tendency to push guys ahead of him when I know there are significant instinct-based issues in his game. Vincent will be one of the fastest players in the NFL right away and he made some big plays over his career. He is worth the gamble at some point, the question will be when. Also, you need a strong plan for where he is going in the secondary, as I don’t see the intelligence to man multiple spots.

16. Camryn Bynum / California / 6’0-198: 75
17. Robert Rochell / Central Arkansas / 5’11-195: 75
18. Shaun Wade / Ohio State / 6’1-195: 75
19. Ambry Thomas / Michigan / 6’0-189: 74
20. Keith Taylor / Washington / 6’2-191: 74
21. Thomas Graham Jr / Oregon / 5’11-193: 74
22. DJ Daniel / Georgia / 5’11-183: 72
23. Michael Carter II / Duke / 5’10-190: 72
24. Israel Mukuamu / South Carolina / 6’4-205: 71
25. Trill Williams / Syracuse / 6’1-198: 71
26. Marco Wilson / Florida / 5’11-187: 70
27. Rodarius Williams / Oklahoma State / 6’0-193: 70
28. Bryan Mills / NC Central / 6’1-180: 69
29. Bryce Thompson / Tennessee / 6’0-182: 69
30. Tay Gowan / Central Florida / 6’2-185: 69

NYG APPROACH


This is one of the deepest cornerback groups in recent memory. I still have another 10+ names that I consider draftable. NYG has a strong 1-2-3-4-5 for the 2021 season, maybe top 7 in the NFL if Jackson reaches his previous form now that his knee is 100%. As said earlier, however, that extra depth for the future isn’t there yet. Do you wait until next year and then have to rely on a rookie? Or do you use a day three pick on someone that falls and groom him for a year? I also think some depth and competition for Holmes at nickel would be a benefit to him. While it isn’t a pressing need, you don’t ever want to be poor or lacking depth at corner. If the value is right any point day 3, I think it is a smart investment
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Thanks Sy.  
section125 : 4/5/2021 7:21 am : link
Yes I was hoping for Surtain to make it past Dallas to the Giants before Jackson was signed. I still would not mind it as CBs are essential in Graham's defense. Build a strength and keep it.
They maybe better off looking later for a slot CB, as you said, as CB is one of the lesser needs this year.
good stuff as usual  
Victor in CT : 4/5/2021 7:31 am : link
looks like they can get quality in Round 3.
Thanks for posting and the info  
SCGiantsFan : 4/5/2021 7:52 am : link
I do have to agree with your premise having young CB's on the roster a year early vs, getting bit by injuries. Round 3 sounds like value starts to better align with needs.

Looking forward to reading through this a second and third time
Excellent point...  
bw in dc : 4/5/2021 7:53 am : link
about Horn against Auburn. A few of us discussed this very topic a few weeks ago. He was out of his mind good. And those Auburn receivers are very good players.

Nice to see you have properly placed Wade. What a poor year he had.

I think Farley is going to be lower ranked because of the medical. So I’m surprised you had him this high.

Excellent content as always.

a lot of CB talent this year  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/5/2021 7:53 am : link
You can never have enough in the secondary
Did  
Jon in NYC : 4/5/2021 7:59 am : link
you have any thoughts on Rachad Wildgoose? I was really surprised when he declared early and sure enough not in your top 20, so not a great sign for him.
RE: Did  
Jon in NYC : 4/5/2021 8:00 am : link
In comment 15209447 Jon in NYC said:
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you have any thoughts on Rachad Wildgoose? I was really surprised when he declared early and sure enough not in your top 20, so not a great sign for him.


*Top 30
Thank You, Sy....great job....  
George from PA : 4/5/2021 8:01 am : link
Paulson Adebo might be a perfect example of what will happen in this year's draft....opt outs providing opportunities...not having a year of development to scout will push him lower in draft.

This is a great year to have extra draft picks....so I am still hoping for a trade down...
Your Surtain write-up is definitely exciting  
Chris684 : 4/5/2021 8:01 am : link
and like you said, before we signed Adoree he was #1 on my wish list.

I still wouldn't hesitate if he was sitting there at 11 but figuring he will be gone. My hope now is that he doesn't wind up with Dallas.
8 CBs 79 or higher  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/5/2021 8:03 am : link
Pretty decent depth. Don't know if one of those 8 make early-mid round 3 but if we pick up another pick in a tradedown maybe a CB will be a good option when we pick.
Ifeati Melifonwu  
Snacks : 4/5/2021 8:24 am : link
Sounds like the type of player the Giants like on D as it sounds like he could play almost any role in the secondary. We'll see what happens.
Thank you, Sy..  
Big Blue '56 : 4/5/2021 8:41 am : link
Fwiw(very little), it appears most mocks have Surtain going to Dallas at 10
A ton of depth here  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 8:42 am : link
This is why the Adoree Jackson signing was so dumb.
This validates what I have been thinking with the top guys  
rasbutant : 4/5/2021 8:44 am : link
Horn was my favorite, but I understand the size of the other two and what advantages that brings. And at first glance I wasn’t seeing it with Farley but because he was so highly rated I went back and watched more and could see what people liked but they I’m still not the biggest fan. Also Ed Stokes, glad to see the hype of the 40 didn’t put him into the 1st like I have seen others have him ranked. I just don’t see a good football player there.
great stuff as always  
KDavies : 4/5/2021 8:49 am : link
like the evaluation of Ifeati Melifonwu. As an SU fan, I had him on my radar for 2nd round. Nice size and versatility. Would be a bit of surprise at this point due to signing of Jackson.
RE: A ton of depth here  
Mike in NY : 4/5/2021 8:56 am : link
In comment 15209490 JoeyBigBlue said:
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This is why the Adoree Jackson signing was so dumb.


There are only 2 CB's with first round grades according to Sy if you have flagged Farley for medicals. Evem if you look at the depth guys there is a lot more "boom or bust" versus CB's you can say may not have starter upside but they can be a solid nickel or dime guy for a long time. CB is one position that is hard to grade as a result of opt outs because you do need to see how a player reacts when opponents have more film on them. If you can't adjust you won't be in NFL all that long.

It sounds like Dallas  
mittenedman : 4/5/2021 9:02 am : link
is locked in to a certain CB at #10. I'm guessing it's Surtain. He's going to be a PIA to play against. I love his physical brand from the CB position.

Aaron Robinson is a very interesting name. He can play the slot, and his versatility would add another piece to the D. I like Holmes, but he was injured a lot, and there is nobody else.
RE: A ton of depth here  
KDavies : 4/5/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15209490 JoeyBigBlue said:
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This is why the Adoree Jackson signing was so dumb.


What you call "so dumb" most other people call "fulfilling your needs in FA, so you can go BPA in the draft"
...  
ryanmkeane : 4/5/2021 9:16 am : link
I think Surtain is very much still in play. Great stuff Sy!
RE: Thank you, Sy..  
Sy'56 : 4/5/2021 9:20 am : link
In comment 15209488 Big Blue '56 said:
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Fwiw(very little), it appears most mocks have Surtain going to Dallas at 10


I have to foo one mock per year...I loathe them. It is a 7 rounder where 4 of us take 8 teams each.

Surtain went to DAL.
Great stuff Sy’  
beatrixkiddo : 4/5/2021 9:36 am : link
This does seem like a really promising class of CBs. If any of those guys in the 10-15 range you have ranked can be had on Day 3 I really hope the Giants grab one and let them develop, One injury can really bog down this unit, even though we have a strong secondary overall. I would love to see them grab a guy that is capable of becoming an outside CB for us in a year or two. You don’t typically see this many CBs with the size and agility that so many of these do.
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Klaatu : 4/5/2021 9:43 am : link
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While it isn’t a pressing need, you don’t ever want to be poor or lacking depth at corner. If the value is right any point day 3, I think it is a smart investment


I couldn't agree more.
What a deep draft for CBs  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/5/2021 9:45 am : link
each prospect sounded like fantastic fits all the way down the line. If they can get Melifonwu or Robinson in rd 2, what a coup that would be.
Thx Sy. Great Monday morning writeup  
Earl the goat : 4/5/2021 9:48 am : link
Never want to argue or disagree with you
But Eric Stokes is much better corner than Tyson Campbell
I watched plenty of Georgia games. I’m not the maven like you but Stokes should be higher
In the BBI Mock Draft  
Rick in Dallas : 4/5/2021 9:51 am : link
I drafted Surtain in the first round for Dallas and then Joseph in the third round for Dallas.They will now be set for next 10 years barring injury at the CB position including Diggs from last year.
3 positions are loaded in this year's draft,WR, CB and OL.
RE: Thx Sy. Great Monday morning writeup  
Sy'56 : 4/5/2021 10:01 am : link
In comment 15209584 Earl the goat said:
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Never want to argue or disagree with you
But Eric Stokes is much better corner than Tyson Campbell
I watched plenty of Georgia games. I’m not the maven like you but Stokes should be higher


I see that point for sure. Most agree with that notion as well. No offense taken and you can disagree with me all you want, not like my word is the Bible.

I just see more upside with Campbell
RE: RE: A ton of depth here  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 10:13 am : link
In comment 15209529 KDavies said:
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In comment 15209490 JoeyBigBlue said:


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This is why the Adoree Jackson signing was so dumb.



What you call "so dumb" most other people call "fulfilling your needs in FA, so you can go BPA in the draft"



I just don’t like the signing. We could of gotten a young corner to groom alongside Bradberry. Instead we chose to give a guy with injury concerns a massive contract (when they wasn’t a even a big market for said player) when we already have a ton of big money contracts on the team. It’s not what I would’ve done, but I’m not running the team.
Wouldn't mind Robinson in the second round  
jeff57 : 4/5/2021 10:16 am : link
Not sold on Adoree.
As a side note  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 10:19 am : link
I’m a build through the draft guy. I didn’t want Golladay or any other big name Free Agent outside of Leonard Williams and possibly out very own Dalvin Tomlinson. I still think we overpaid for Golloday, but I understand the signing. We needed a proven No. 1 receiver to help Jones develop. I definitely understand the need and why the decision was done.

Jackson was just excess. 27 mill guaranteed for a guy with injury concerns, and wasn’t that impressive to begin with. I really really hate signing.
My dream scenario would of been  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 10:28 am : link
Drafting Surtain II and playing him alongside Bradberry. In 2 years he could’ve been our No. 1, when Bradberry hits Free Agency.
Okudah was drafted what last year  
KDavies : 4/5/2021 10:37 am : link
#3 overall? He was not good at all. You can't expect the Giants to select a CB at 11 (or the 2nd or 3rd round) and him to be an immediate starter.

Building through the draft is important, but you need to be picking BPA, not picking players at positions simply because you have a glaring need.
RE: As a side note  
Klaatu : 4/5/2021 10:44 am : link
In comment 15209623 JoeyBigBlue said:
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I’m a build through the draft guy. I didn’t want Golladay or any other big name Free Agent outside of Leonard Williams and possibly out very own Dalvin Tomlinson. I still think we overpaid for Golloday, but I understand the signing. We needed a proven No. 1 receiver to help Jones develop. I definitely understand the need and why the decision was done.

Jackson was just excess. 27 mill guaranteed for a guy with injury concerns, and wasn’t that impressive to begin with. I really really hate signing.


I don't see how you can say that Jackson "wasn't that impressive to begin with." As PFF noted in his free agent profile:
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A former first-round pick, Adoree Jackson has elite coverage numbers. He ranks just behind the trio of Jaire Alexander, Richard Sherman and Stephon Gilmore among corners when lined up outside in PFF coverage grade since 2018, and was an unexpected cut by the Titans. He missed almost the entirety of the 2020 season, but if he checks out medically is an outstanding option at the position.
RE: RE: As a side note  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15209664 Klaatu said:
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In comment 15209623 JoeyBigBlue said:


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I’m a build through the draft guy. I didn’t want Golladay or any other big name Free Agent outside of Leonard Williams and possibly out very own Dalvin Tomlinson. I still think we overpaid for Golloday, but I understand the signing. We needed a proven No. 1 receiver to help Jones develop. I definitely understand the need and why the decision was done.

Jackson was just excess. 27 mill guaranteed for a guy with injury concerns, and wasn’t that impressive to begin with. I really really hate signing.



I don't see how you can say that Jackson "wasn't that impressive to begin with." As PFF noted in his free agent profile:

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A former first-round pick, Adoree Jackson has elite coverage numbers. He ranks just behind the trio of Jaire Alexander, Richard Sherman and Stephon Gilmore among corners when lined up outside in PFF coverage grade since 2018, and was an unexpected cut by the Titans. He missed almost the entirety of the 2020 season, but if he checks out medically is an outstanding option at the position.



I’ll admit that I don’t watch many Titans game. Was Jackson covering the other team’s number 1 receiver or was that Butler? Why did the Titans defensive struggle so much in pass defense?
Given the Adoree signing  
JonC : 4/5/2021 11:06 am : link
I'd wager they go Edge if the receivers are all gone, all signs point to it. Surtain's a blue chipper, he'd be my pick.
I'd love to grab Stokes with the 3rd round pick but I doubt he lasts  
Eric on Li : 4/5/2021 11:10 am : link
adding a young guy with speed who they can groom in the system is a must. Who knows which version of Jackson they get, who knows what happens when Bradberry's contract is up in 2 seasons, and who knows what happens with injuries.

The sentiment that they've spent too many draft resources on CB is exactly wrong imo (and obviously Baker already left the building, and Beal has 1 foot out the door).
Jon C  
Rick in Dallas : 4/5/2021 11:10 am : link
Do you hear who at Edge would be the pick at 11?
I think the Edge class is full of boom or bust prospects...
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 4/5/2021 11:13 am : link
i've been thinking the order is this:

Smith, Pitts, Waddle, Phillips, Surtain, Paye
RE:  
Klaatu : 4/5/2021 11:17 am : link
In comment 15209674 JoeyBigBlue said:
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I’ll admit that I don’t watch many Titans game. Was Jackson covering the other team’s number 1 receiver or was that Butler? Why did the Titans defensive struggle so much in pass defense?


I couldn't tell you. I don't watch many Titans games, either. All I'm saying is Jackson may be a better player than you think.
RE: Given the Adoree signing  
Klaatu : 4/5/2021 11:18 am : link
In comment 15209698 JonC said:
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I'd wager they go Edge if the receivers are all gone, all signs point to it. Surtain's a blue chipper, he'd be my pick.


It's always CB's with you, just like it's always LB's with me, lol.
Not heard of Edge preference yet  
JonC : 4/5/2021 11:27 am : link
If the goal is to replace Sheard's role, for example, in my opinion drafting Paye might do the trick. But, I think they can do better with the #11 overall pick in terms of picking a real threat pass rusher.

Without the concussion history, Phillips would be the pick, imo. His medicals are crucial. #11 is probably a little too early for Edge otherwise, thus the convo they're looking to trade down if their receiver targets wind up gone.
RE: RE: Given the Adoree signing  
JonC : 4/5/2021 11:28 am : link
In comment 15209717 Klaatu said:
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I'd wager they go Edge if the receivers are all gone, all signs point to it. Surtain's a blue chipper, he'd be my pick.



It's always CB's with you, just like it's always LB's with me, lol.


Just last year and this year because of the blue chippers at CB, but I prefer Edge talent in general over CB.
RE: Not heard of Edge preference yet  
ryanmkeane : 4/5/2021 11:29 am : link
In comment 15209727 JonC said:
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If the goal is to replace Sheard's role, for example, in my opinion drafting Paye might do the trick. But, I think they can do better with the #11 overall pick in terms of picking a real threat pass rusher.

Without the concussion history, Phillips would be the pick, imo. His medicals are crucial. #11 is probably a little too early for Edge otherwise, thus the convo they're looking to trade down if their receiver targets wind up gone.

Gotcha. Trading down to the mid or low teens would be awesome if the playmakers are gone and we don't see the true value at 11 for Phillips or Paye. I think Paye is going to be a good pro, just depends on if he's worth a top 20 pick
Phillips getting his body right  
ryanmkeane : 4/5/2021 11:32 am : link
and playing this year when a lot of guys opted out is probably going to sit well with NYG
I think Paye's floor is solid  
JonC : 4/5/2021 11:33 am : link
but not seeing upside to be a real rush threat.
RE: I think Paye's floor is solid  
ryanmkeane : 4/5/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15209739 JonC said:
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but not seeing upside to be a real rush threat.

Agreed. and to me - Phillips reminds me of the guys we have passed on previously who end up being pro bowl edge guys, like TJ Watt for example, we took Engram over him
RE: Not heard of Edge preference yet  
Klaatu : 4/5/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15209727 JonC said:
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If the goal is to replace Sheard's role, for example, in my opinion drafting Paye might do the trick. But, I think they can do better with the #11 overall pick in terms of picking a real threat pass rusher.

Without the concussion history, Phillips would be the pick, imo. His medicals are crucial. #11 is probably a little too early for Edge otherwise, thus the convo they're looking to trade down if their receiver targets wind up gone.


A trade down would be ideal, but I wouldn't go any lower than #17 (Las Vegas). Oweh would be my pick there.
I like Tryon (high floor and ceiling) and Oweh (raw)  
JonC : 4/5/2021 11:47 am : link
if they can trade up from #42.
A lot of good corners to pick from  
JonC : 4/5/2021 11:49 am : link
in 3rd round or later from this group.
One  
AcidTest : 4/5/2021 11:56 am : link
of Pitts, Waddle, or Smith is likely going to be available at #11. That should prevent them from reaching for an EDGE. I don't see the Giants being able to trade down because I think all five QBs will be gone before #11, and no one will want to trade up for a non-QB.
Oweh  
ryanmkeane : 4/5/2021 12:03 pm : link
seems like he will get tossed around in the run game
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