| The first three picks are spoken for. And that leaves the Falcons as a team to watch—one that’s going to have to make a decision on its pick with some complicated finances at quarterback (due to all Matt Ryan’s restructures), and a team in need of cheaper young talent with which to surround its core. My guess has been that the Falcons will stick at No. 4 and take a quarterback, because I don’t think they want to count on picking that high again and this happens to be a really strong year at the position. But I do know they’re open to the idea of trading the pick and have had exploratory talks with other teams on a deal that would have someone else moving up to No. 4. And Detroit’s another team I’ve been told to keep an eye on—since they can give other teams an opportunity to jump Carolina and Denver in the quarterback line (though that’d more likely be a draft-day deal, since you can’t totally be sure who’ll be there at No. 7 right now). |
Given DG's propensity to trade up and that trading from 11 to 7 shouldn't be prohibitively expensive, if Pitts or one of the WRs drops I wonder Detroit & the Giants are talking.
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That’s the first thing I thought as well. If they like him that much make the move. That would piss off the Dolphins lol.
They can always dip into next years picks. Hell, the Rams haven’t had a first round pick in like 20 years and they seem to be doing ok lol.
11 + 76 + a 3rd round pick in 2022?
What player would you like at 7?
At 7, if like 4 QBs go before, the Giants could get a guy at the very, very top of the draft board.
So it really may be worth it to us.
It's not the typical 4/5 spots movement....it's for jumping Carolina for the last QBs available in draft.
The late Dick Young (sports writer for the Daily News and the NY Post) once said that a fan's idea of a fair trade is to package all the players that the team no longer wanted in exchange for the other team's superstar.
It's not exactly the same thing, but that's what your post reminded me of.
1) They think Ja'Marr Chase is an All-Pro/HOF talent.
2) They want to draft a QB.
I don't think they move up like that to draft a CB or an O-lineman, even Sewell.
It would really hamstring the rest of their draft, though. They seem to want to draft an Edge. They'd almost HAVE to take one in the second, and they wouldn't have a third. They could trade down in the 2nd and get more picks but they'd have to be really, REALLY sold on Chase.
The only guy to do this for in my opinion would be Chase. Atlanta is the team we would have to move up with for this to realistically happen and it would cast far too much.
I think it depends on 1.) how highly they value a certain player, 2.) how much we have to give up to make the deal, and 3.) how many holes the fans think there are in the roster vs what the coaches think.
We’ve drafted a lot of players the last few years and added a bunch of FA’s as well. If I look at our current roster I see the following needs (in no particular order):
1.) WR (one more high end option)
2.) Offensive Guard (although coaching staff may like what we have with Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, and Murphy)
3.) Another Backup RB (could add this in FA still as well)
4.) Backup 3-4 DE
5.) Edge Rusher (right now we have Carter, Ximines, Odenigbo, Anderson, Coughlin, Cam Brown, and Lalos)
6.) Inside Linebacker (we currently have Martinez, Crowder, Ragland, Downs)
If we traded up for say, Jamarr Chase and it costs a third this year and a second next year in addition to #11 it solves need #1. In the second round this year you address #2 or #5. In round 4 you address need #2 or #5, and in the 6th round you grab a developmental RB and BPA.
Every team has holes, and we aren’t going to fill all of our needs every offseason. The only player that whose contract is up next year that at this stage is a must re-sign IMO is Peppers. And with the cap expected to rise significantly with the new TV deal there will be cap room to either resign one of these guys we signed to one year deals this year if we like what we see or go out and sign more players to one year deals to plug holes again.
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they want to move up, I'd prefer they offer some combination of Engram, Shepard, and Hernandez than a day two draft pick.
The late Dick Young (sports writer for the Daily News and the NY Post) once said that a fan's idea of a fair trade is to package all the players that the team no longer wanted in exchange for the other team's superstar.
It's not exactly the same thing, but that's what your post reminded me of.
Also, doesn’t moving Hernandez put the team back at instituting 3 new OL again? Unless they have a new LG, RG, RT that they think can readily gain some unity and coordination with the LT and C quickly.
and lol bw in dc's comment, so true
I think it depends on 1.) how highly they value a certain player, 2.) how much we have to give up to make the deal, and 3.) how many holes the fans think there are in the roster vs what the coaches think.
We’ve drafted a lot of players the last few years and added a bunch of FA’s as well. If I look at our current roster I see the following needs (in no particular order):
1.) WR (one more high end option)
2.) Offensive Guard (although coaching staff may like what we have with Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, and Murphy)
3.) Another Backup RB (could add this in FA still as well)
4.) Backup 3-4 DE
5.) Edge Rusher (right now we have Carter, Ximines, Odenigbo, Anderson, Coughlin, Cam Brown, and Lalos)
6.) Inside Linebacker (we currently have Martinez, Crowder, Ragland, Downs)
If we traded up for say, Jamarr Chase and it costs a third this year and a second next year in addition to #11 it solves need #1. In the second round this year you address #2 or #5. In round 4 you address need #2 or #5, and in the 6th round you grab a developmental RB and BPA.
Every team has holes, and we aren’t going to fill all of our needs every offseason. The only player that whose contract is up next year that at this stage is a must re-sign IMO is Peppers. And with the cap expected to rise significantly with the new TV deal there will be cap room to either resign one of these guys we signed to one year deals this year if we like what we see or go out and sign more players to one year deals to plug holes again.
Didn't we just lay out big coin for a supposed #1 WR in KG?
I am fine rolling with a receiving corp of KG, Shep, Slayton, Rudolph, and EE. Toss in a health SB, who is a good receiver, and that should be more than enough.
So I'd rather invest in more immediate needs like OL, corner, and maybe edge.
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I think it depends on 1.) how highly they value a certain player, 2.) how much we have to give up to make the deal, and 3.) how many holes the fans think there are in the roster vs what the coaches think.
We’ve drafted a lot of players the last few years and added a bunch of FA’s as well. If I look at our current roster I see the following needs (in no particular order):
1.) WR (one more high end option)
2.) Offensive Guard (although coaching staff may like what we have with Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, and Murphy)
3.) Another Backup RB (could add this in FA still as well)
4.) Backup 3-4 DE
5.) Edge Rusher (right now we have Carter, Ximines, Odenigbo, Anderson, Coughlin, Cam Brown, and Lalos)
6.) Inside Linebacker (we currently have Martinez, Crowder, Ragland, Downs)
If we traded up for say, Jamarr Chase and it costs a third this year and a second next year in addition to #11 it solves need #1. In the second round this year you address #2 or #5. In round 4 you address need #2 or #5, and in the 6th round you grab a developmental RB and BPA.
Every team has holes, and we aren’t going to fill all of our needs every offseason. The only player that whose contract is up next year that at this stage is a must re-sign IMO is Peppers. And with the cap expected to rise significantly with the new TV deal there will be cap room to either resign one of these guys we signed to one year deals this year if we like what we see or go out and sign more players to one year deals to plug holes again.
Didn't we just lay out big coin for a supposed #1 WR in KG?
I am fine rolling with a receiving corp of KG, Shep, Slayton, Rudolph, and EE. Toss in a health SB, who is a good receiver, and that should be more than enough.
So I'd rather invest in more immediate needs like OL, corner, and maybe edge.
How is CB an immediate need? We have Bradberry, Jackson, Holmes, Yiadom, Love, and Ryan can play both CB and Safety. I would argue our WR needs another weapon more than we need another first round CB right now.
However, I can also buy the POV that you can't have enough corners in this modern game, so it's not the most impractical idea especially if you hook another #1 type like Horn, Surtain, etc.
Now if Pitts fell to #11, that would change my calculus on adding another weapon because I envision him being a match-up nightmare.
1) They think Ja'Marr Chase is an All-Pro/HOF talent.
2) They want to draft a QB.
I don't think they move up like that to draft a CB or an O-lineman, even Sewell.
It would really hamstring the rest of their draft, though. They seem to want to draft an Edge. They'd almost HAVE to take one in the second, and they wouldn't have a third. They could trade down in the 2nd and get more picks but they'd have to be really, REALLY sold on Chase.
Agree 1000%. Stay or drop.
However, I can also buy the POV that you can't have enough corners in this modern game, so it's not the most impractical idea especially if you hook another #1 type like Horn, Surtain, etc.
Now if Pitts fell to #11, that would change my calculus on adding another weapon because I envision him being a match-up nightmare.
Pitts is a beast. I like Smith and Waddle a lot as well. My concern with the WR group is that Shep is never healthy and the concussions are a real concern. With his cap hit I’m not sure he is back next year if he misses 4+ games again in 2021. As for Slayton, he flashed his rookie year, but looked like a 5th round pick this past season. I heard he was a bit nicked up, but the drops are concerning. I guess I feel like we are one more WR away from being very very difficult to defend.
Imagine a defense having to account for KG, (Chase/Smith/Waddle/Pitts), Shepard, Slayton and Barkley coming out of the backfield. Not to mention Jones’ scrambling ability. It’s too tempting to pass up. That being said, if they go receiver round 1 they need to go OL (Guard) and Edge in round 2 and 3.
p.s.--If necessary, I would consider giving up next year's 1st rather than this year's 2nd (#42 overall), because next year's first round pick is likely to be in the #28 to #32 range.
p.s.--If necessary, I would consider giving up next year's 1st rather than this year's 2nd (#42 overall), because next year's first round pick is likely to be in the #28 to #32 range.
+1
Fuck need.
This is the draft. FA is for needs.
Why cant you guys get this simple concept through your heads?
11 + 76 + a 3rd round pick in 2022?
What player would you like at 7?
At 7, if like 4 QBs go before, the Giants could get a guy at the very, very top of the draft board.
So it really may be worth it to us.
Screw that. Waaayyyy too many holes in this roster to do that shit.
Fuck need.
This is the draft. FA is for needs.
Why cant you guys get this simple concept through your heads?
You should ask NFL teams that.