NFT: Mets opening day.... finally. Mets at Phillies deGrom

-Carrasco pitched two innings in a simulated game yesterday.

-Lugo has begun throwing (long toss)

Both ahead of schedule and expected back earlier than originally thought.

-Syndergaard can not return until May 31st.

deGrom as well on an extension

I guess the obvious benefit to the Nats' having to cancel is that deGrom is no longer on-turn with the opposing team's ace.

Not that he should return in May, but is that a DL thing?

in a different direction, but why didn't they just do this on Wednesday and have the Mets play the Nats as scheduled?

Why do the Phillies play the shorthanded Nats instead of a postponement?

Scherzer and Soto are not impacted. Not sure who is, I'm sure we'll find out, but those two easily the biggest names.

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Jon Heyman @JonHeyman · 7m 11 Nats are in quarantine — 4 Covid positive and 7 close contacts. So they will open the season shorthanded Tuesday vs. the Braves. Stars Scherzer, Strasburg and Soto are among the majority not in quarantine.

meant Braves play shorthanded Nats (not Phillies)

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Not that he should return in May, but is that a DL thing?

Yeah he got placed on the 60 day IL which frees up a roster spot on the 40. He can not return until that's served. All reports, he's on track to return around that date, however.

my only guess is that they didn't know the extent of the exposure, but it does seem crappy.

0 games played, Robbie Grossman 8 walks.

return around May 1 now, or shortly thereafter.

The one benefit with the missed Eats series, is that we now dont need a 5th SP until April 15th.

Considering the good news with Cookie, we may only have to see Luchessi/opener a few times through.

Fingers crossed.

Ugh

week in June is being targeted for Syndergaard's MLB return.

And Pillar is starting against the lefty....

We'll find out shortly.

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return around May 1 now, or shortly thereafter. The one benefit with the missed Eats series, is that we now dont need a 5th SP until April 15th. Considering the good news with Cookie, we may only have to see Luchessi/opener a few times through. Fingers crossed.

Lugo is not expected back before mid-May

either way totally bizarre the way the timing ended up and unfortunate for OD. But whatever it's here now.

I really like the way the team is entering the season without a ton of overhype this year (at least how it seems to me). Pretty remarkable considering they had probably the biggest offseason in team history.

And I'll say this, I'm a lot more confident this is a 90+ win team entering the season than the 2015 and 2006 teams.

apparently said Lugo is "2 days" ahead of schedule. Which still means likely mid-May.


"Just a couple weeks before Spring Training games were set to ensue on Feb. 13, the Mets announced that right-handed pitcher Seth Lugo would undergo surgery on his elbow to remove loose bodies.

The plan was to shut Lugo, 31, down from throwing for six weeks, which put him out of contention for the Opening Day roster. That timeline would likely put Lugo out until mid-May when including rehab from the injury.

However, Lugo has been playing catch this past week according to Mets’ skipper Luis Rojas, and was two days ahead of schedule in throwing from 75 feet this weekend, so that return could possibly be a bit sooner."

looked incredible for the Mariners the other day. Really nice move for them. Harvey looked like a legit big leaguer (with lesser stuff obviously). Good for them both.

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looked incredible for the Mariners the other day. Really nice move for them. Harvey looked like a legit big leaguer (with lesser stuff obviously). Good for them both.

Please don't do Wheeler :(

In comment 15210054 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15210052 DanMetroMan said: Quote: looked incredible for the Mariners the other day. Really nice move for them. Harvey looked like a legit big leaguer (with lesser stuff obviously). Good for them both. Please don't do Wheeler :(

You mean Morton comparing Wheeler to DeGrom after seeing his start lol.... Wheeler not being with the Mets is one move I can confidently say doesn't happen if Cohen owned the team.

Cruz is a freak. He may yet hit 500 homers.

to have the best rotation in baseball and the best bullpen in baseball (even with factoring injuries).


The expect us to have the 4th best record.


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128 big league games, career .336 hitter. I'd wager most non-fantasy players don't even know who he is lol

In comment 15210047 Eric on Li said:

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either way totally bizarre the way the timing ended up and unfortunate for OD. But whatever it's here now. I really like the way the team is entering the season without a ton of overhype this year (at least how it seems to me). Pretty remarkable considering they had probably the biggest offseason in team history. And I'll say this, I'm a lot more confident this is a 90+ win team entering the season than the 2015 and 2006 teams.

Agree on 2015. The 2014 team won 79 games, but 2006 I thought would win the World Series and IIRC they got a lot of love too in the media.

that 2006 off-season was really good too, added Delgado, Wags, Lo Duca, and more minor pieces to a veteran team. I go back and forth with which lineup is better. Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado is an insane top 4, and add Lo Duca, Floyd, etc. and defensively and SB's they were really good too.


I like the 2021 Mets too but the division is so good and the Mets are not 100% healthy on the mound until two months into the season (at least).

So we'll see.

I'm hopeful, which is more than I can say for the past few years.

East should be as good as advertised. I actually see the Nats being the most likely to underwhelm. Miami has arm injuries to 2 of their very best arms (Sixto/Cabrera) so that's not going to help their chances of shocking. I've been "high" on the Phillies all off-season (in the sense I think they can challenge for .500 given their top 3 in their rotation). Padres and Dodgers are probably tier 1 followed by the Mets, Brewers, and Braves. I like the Reds as a sleeper even after losing Bauer.

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to have the best rotation in baseball and the best bullpen in baseball (even with factoring injuries). The expect us to have the 4th best record. Link - ( New Window )

The RP thing is a little bit misleading because it's basically 3 guys - Diaz, May, Castro.

May is new so we'll see but it's interesting how bullish their projection is.

Castro who knows - great velocity but if they hit it the exit velocities are going to be higher.

Diaz may be the biggest wild card on the entire team. He's probably the single most important player we have. If you told me he has a great year (top 5 closer) I think I'd practically guarantee they win 90+ knowing nothing else.

In comment 15210071 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15210062 ZGiants98 said: Quote: to have the best rotation in baseball and the best bullpen in baseball (even with factoring injuries). The expect us to have the 4th best record. Link - ( New Window ) The RP thing is a little bit misleading because it's basically 3 guys - Diaz, May, Castro. May is new so we'll see but it's interesting how bullish their projection is. Castro who knows - great velocity but if they hit it the exit velocities are going to be higher. Diaz may be the biggest wild card on the entire team. He's probably the single most important player we have. If you told me he has a great year (top 5 closer) I think I'd practically guarantee they win 90+ knowing nothing else.

Not really misleading. Scroll through the other teams projections and it all begins to make sense. Most teams rarely have more than two quality relievers, and certainly not three. The Yankees might have been one of the few exceptions over recent years. Diaz and May are expected to be good which is more than most teams can say. They arent even factoring Lugo at all, which tells me there's upside for us outperform our projections actually.

Either way, interesting to look at.

Mets pen is going to give us some heartbreaking losses (just have to be prepared for it). Castro, Diaz, and May (3 of their top 4 RP's) are HR prone. Even Lugo was this past season. So there will be some games that won't have the nicest endings as Mets fans.

and Padres have legit BP depth. Dodgers just lost Gonsolin to the DL but Jansen, Treinen, Victor Gonzalez, Price, Knebel, Alexander. On paper, their pen is loaded. Same with SD, though they don't have a clear closer.

the lineup is absolutely awful. Their young pitching is fun, however.

In comment 15210066 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15210047 Eric on Li said: Quote: And I'll say this, I'm a lot more confident this is a 90+ win team entering the season than the 2015 and 2006 teams. Agree on 2015. The 2014 team won 79 games, but 2006 I thought would win the World Series and IIRC they got a lot of love too in the media. that 2006 off-season was really good too, added Delgado, Wags, Lo Duca, and more minor pieces to a veteran team. I go back and forth with which lineup is better. Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado is an insane top 4, and add Lo Duca, Floyd, etc. and defensively and SB's they were really good too. I like the 2021 Mets too but the division is so good and the Mets are not 100% healthy on the mound until two months into the season (at least). So we'll see. I'm hopeful, which is more than I can say for the past few years.

the 2006 team just had a lot of new faces to incorporate. I felt confident they'd be better but did not feel confident the pitching staff would hold up. They somehow got 15 wins out of Trachsel and Glavine at 40, and Maine kind of broke out from nowhere.

In the pen Sanchez/Heilman/Oliver/Feliciano/Bradford was really really good, and at 34 Wagner did his job very well. By fwar they had the 2nd best BP in baseball that year. And then without Sanchez, Bradford, and Oliver dropped to 15th in 2007.

BP performance is always the biggest swing variable that's hard to predict and if push came to shove the place where I wish they'd added 1 more player this offseason. But that's why they play the games.

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Not really misleading. Scroll through the other teams projections and it all begins to make sense. Most teams rarely have more than two quality relievers, and certainly not three.

That's my point - all of the BP projections are misleading not just the Mets. Perhaps "highly leveraged" is a better way to put it. But 1 player per team having a very good year or a very bad year would completely change their projections, and we know that happens all the time with relievers. The only predictable outcome with relievers is that they are unpredictable.

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And Pillar is starting against the lefty.... We'll find out shortly.

sitting a guy who had .900 OPS vs lefties would not be smart. Factor in Moore has a higher OPS given up vs lefites then righties...it would be downright insane.

Pillar is a bench piece and was paid like a bench piece...not a full platoon guy.

how much not having Carrasco and Syndergaard for two months can impact this season.

Basically the Mets have to stay afloat until those two come back. I mean, it's 40% of the rotation.

I agree Diaz is probably the most important player on the team in regards to their 2021 chances, but Stroman and Walker not far behind. Those two cannot be net negatives or even net neutral or it's basically a one man rotation.

Peterson and Lucchesi (or whoever #5 winds up being) can be net negative or net neutral without much impact.

In comment 15210040 ZGiants98 said:

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return around May 1 now, or shortly thereafter. The one benefit with the missed Eats series, is that we now dont need a 5th SP until April 15th. Considering the good news with Cookie, we may only have to see Luchessi/opener a few times through. Fingers crossed.

Lucchesi is listed as an available RP for tonight's game

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In comment 15210040 ZGiants98 said: Quote: return around May 1 now, or shortly thereafter. The one benefit with the missed Eats series, is that we now dont need a 5th SP until April 15th. Considering the good news with Cookie, we may only have to see Luchessi/opener a few times through. Fingers crossed. Lucchesi is listed as an available RP for tonight's game

Nice. Looks like they are correctly looking ahead. :)

In comment 15210089 pjcas18 said:

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how much not having Carrasco and Syndergaard for two months can impact this season. Basically the Mets have to stay afloat until those two come back. I mean, it's 40% of the rotation. I agree Diaz is probably the most important player on the team in regards to their 2021 chances, but Stroman and Walker not far behind. Those two cannot be net negatives or even net neutral or it's basically a one man rotation. Peterson and Lucchesi (or whoever #5 winds up being) can be net negative or net neutral without much impact.

Both Walker and Stroman have been good pitchers at the MLB level (both career ERA+ around 110). Just because he was fresh in my mind, as a comparison Steve Trachsel's career ERA+ was 99 (though he was better as a NYM).

I'm less worried about them doing what they've done over their careers than I am a BP featuring multiple players who have literally ranged being among the best at their position and worst at their position in just the last few seasons. To advance in the playoffs they will need at least 1 of the SP healthy and in form but they can survive the regular season with a good lineup. Hard to survive bad bull pens.

is still pretty young, He still has time to turn his career around.

In comment 15210083 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15210074 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Not really misleading. Scroll through the other teams projections and it all begins to make sense. Most teams rarely have more than two quality relievers, and certainly not three. That's my point - all of the BP projections are misleading not just the Mets. Perhaps "highly leveraged" is a better way to put it. But 1 player per team having a very good year or a very bad year would completely change their projections, and we know that happens all the time with relievers. The only predictable outcome with relievers is that they are unpredictable.

Sure. It's certainly not supposed to be viewed as a crystal ball. Everybody knows players will outperform or underperform projections in any given season. But when looking at your roster VS others on opening day, its certainly interesting/fun to see where you stack up and even nicer to see some sort of formula that isn't "fans opinions". Diaz and May have been mostly good over the last 5 years, were both good last year, and they both still have good stuff..... not really crazy coming up with a baseline projection on them based in some sort of realistic reality.

As long as Carrasco and Thor do make it back at some point.

We have nice depth this year and that's not even accounting for the boost in run support we should finally get with this lineup.

Walker and Peterson should be on innings limits this year so its probably a blessing Carrasco and Thor are starting later IMO.

In comment 15210099 pjcas18 said:

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is still pretty young, He still has time to turn his career around.

Lee opinions are all over the map (which quite frankly is likely why the Mets were able to get him for so "cheap"). He didn't look good in ST (at the plate OR in the field) but he might have just been overwhelmed/pressing. I think he's more likely a 4th OF than some major add BUT he does have starting MLB CF upside, so he should be fun to monitor this season. Unrelated but really hoping to hit up a few Cyclones games this season but they haven't been very clear as to when single-game tickets will be available.

Among their offensive projections I'd bet they get 7 or more of their top 10 teams correct.

I'd bet the over on 5/10 correct team projections for starting pitching and expect that 1 or 2 of the incorrect projections fall out just bc of injuries.

For their BP projections I'd bet the under on 5/10 teams being right.

So it has less to do with the Mets than just the difficulty projecting bullpens. Yes I'd rather be #1 than not be #1, but materially it's like being a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament vs. a 7 seed or an 8 seed. Practically speaking the odds of succeeding aren't materially different.

Also I think last year's NYM were projected top 5 and they ended up 15th.

AGAIN 2nd of the day.

In comment 15210117 Eric on Li said:

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Among their offensive projections I'd bet they get 7 or more of their top 10 teams correct. I'd bet the over on 5/10 correct team projections for starting pitching and expect that 1 or 2 of the incorrect projections fall out just bc of injuries. For their BP projections I'd bet the under on 5/10 teams being right. So it has less to do with the Mets than just the difficulty projecting bullpens. Yes I'd rather be #1 than not be #1, but materially it's like being a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament vs. a 7 seed or an 8 seed. Practically speaking the odds of succeeding aren't materially different. Also I think last year's NYM were projected top 5 and they ended up 15th.

All this is still fine. Again though, you have to root your projections in some sort of reality. I cant think of any other sort of solution can you? I think its more interesting to simply look at every teams pens as a quick reference. I feel like Mets fans often assume every other pen in baseball has 8 quality arms.... the reality is 80% of most teams pens are complete trash. The FG projection is also up to date to the second. So the second a team suffers an injury or games occur and players underperform, it re-updates itself. It's a fun and useful tool. But no, you should not expect it to peg where every team will finish at the end of the year 6 months in advance. Not at all.

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Mets Game 1 of 162, @ PHI
Monday, April 5, 7:05 p.m.
LHP Matt Moore (0-0, 0.00)

Pillar CF
Lindor SS
Conforto RF
Alonso 1B
J.D. Davis 3B
McNeil 2B
McCann C
Nimmo LF
deGrom RHP (0-0, 0.00

In comment 15210044 ZGiants98 said:

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And Pillar is starting against the lefty.... We'll find out shortly.

You were correct.

Dom was the most likely to come out.

Would have liked to have seen the real lineup tonight but at least Pillar had a hot spring...

Hate that Nimmo isn't leading off either. Ugh.

Moore better vs righties and missing one of our best hitters and Nimmo in the 8th spot is stupid...just a horrendous opening day lineup regardless of the outcome.

Nimmo is the leadoff hitter (keep him there)

Dom needs to be in there everday

not that difficult.

And then Nimmo hitting 8th with the pitcher behind him so some scrub can bat leadoff?

In comment 15210174 mphbullet36 said:

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Moore better vs righties and missing one of our best hitters and Nimmo in the 8th spot is stupid...just a horrendous opening day lineup regardless of the outcome. Nimmo is the leadoff hitter (keep him there) Dom needs to be in there everday not that difficult.

Spot on. Ridiculous lineup.

decision. Trying to be too cutesy. Dom is your regular LF .900 vs. lefties in 2020, .876 in 2019. This is being too cutesy. If it's about splits then Nimmo should sit today (not that I would have sat either one of them). Pillar career 1-11 vs. Moore (who others have noted has reverse splits).

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Philly is a bandbox with a bunch of flyball hitters so they want to have the best defensive OF. Even then that doesn't justify batting Pillar 1st and Nimmo 8th

In comment 15210195 DanMetroMan said:

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decision. Trying to be too cutesy. Dom is your regular LF .900 vs. lefties in 2020, .876 in 2019. This is being too cutesy. If it's about splits then Nimmo should sit today (not that I would have sat either one of them). Pillar career 1-11 vs. Moore (who others have noted has reverse splits).

Agreed with all of this, but you know Pillar is going to end up having a big game today now.

In comment 15210208 Mike in NY said:

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Philly is a bandbox with a bunch of flyball hitters so they want to have the best defensive OF. Even then that doesn't justify batting Pillar 1st and Nimmo 8th

if we score enough runs DeGrom will get the W...its that simple.

answer isn't any better.


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Luis Rojas on the decision to play Kevin Pillar over Dominic Smith:

"We're going more with the matchup. A guy like Pillar, the way he's been swinging the bat against lefties ... this is how this team has been built from the offseason and into Spring Training."

In comment 15210210 Everyone Relax said:

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In comment 15210195 DanMetroMan said: Quote: decision. Trying to be too cutesy. Dom is your regular LF .900 vs. lefties in 2020, .876 in 2019. This is being too cutesy. If it's about splits then Nimmo should sit today (not that I would have sat either one of them). Pillar career 1-11 vs. Moore (who others have noted has reverse splits). Agreed with all of this, but you know Pillar is going to end up having a big game today now.

I'm obviously rooting for 5-5 with 4 homers and to be mocked for not liking it.

In comment 15210195 DanMetroMan said:

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decision. Trying to be too cutesy. Dom is your regular LF .900 vs. lefties in 2020, .876 in 2019. This is being too cutesy. If it's about splits then Nimmo should sit today (not that I would have sat either one of them). Pillar career 1-11 vs. Moore (who others have noted has reverse splits).

I just don't get it...some are saying maybe he was behind defensively in spring training with that injury...but there hasn't been anything recently on that right? Just seems like an overreaction to lefty vs righty sh*t. When Moore actually has reverse splits and Pillar is a meh hitter to begin with. I don't mind spelling our main guys every once in a while but let the main guys play and don't jerk around the lineup...just over managing.

seems like textbook over managing to me. Moore is lefty, yes. But reverse splits, Dom has hit lefties the last 2 seasons, and "playing the matchups" is fine when the numbers are actually in your favor. This isn't one of those cases. I fully understand if it's game 4-5 and Pillar etc haven't seen time, then yeah I guess it's a lefty you force him until the lineup but not opening day.

decisions solely on the manager? I imagine there's some input from the front office as well.

In comment 15210225 Everyone Relax said:

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decisions solely on the manager? I imagine there's some input from the front office as well.

Sandy claims he's going to be hands-off with the manager. How true hat is? Who knows.

but could it also be they want the best defense out there in Jakes first start?

will be allowed to throw "about" 100 pitches per Rojas.

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but could it also be they want the best defense out there in Jakes first start?

He specifically said it's about Pillar against a lefty starter.

In comment 15210236 Everyone Relax said:

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but could it also be they want the best defense out there in Jakes first start?

Pillar isn't a good CF actually anymore (if he was going defense you might as well start Almora).

And I'm sure is just saying get me runs and I will figure out the rest.

to be skipped Saturday in favor of DeGrom.

Matz looking VERY good for Toronto in the first. Strikes out 2

if he just runs the main guys out there no one complains...we just go in day 1 with our best lineup...but no Rojas has to get cute with it.

In comment 15210250 DanMetroMan said:

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Matz looking VERY good for Toronto in the first. Strikes out 2

I wish him the best, but he was never going to succeed here. Wheeler on the other hand, f'n cheapskate Wilpon is clearly to blame for that one.

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The plan is to get Pillar as many ABs as possible against Moore, then probably shift to Smith once a righty reliever comes into the game.

No need to force Pillar and his 1-11 into the lineup for "as many AB's as possible against Moore" especially when you consider you'd want Pillar (and not Dom) in there late for defense.

player. He hit lefties fine and has room to improve. We should be getting him as any ABs as we can, especially considering he’s likely our best option.

Also, why the hell is Nimmo batting 8th and Pillar 1st?

with a BOMB, Biggio back to back. Folty looks really bad. The Rangers are horrible.

extend to putting out a lineup or did that end for the Mets with Davey Johnson?

Pillar can wind up with a monster game and shut people up, but it doesn't change that the analytics strongly suggested against this.

With the expanded analytics dept the Mets have you have to wonder if it includes lineup construction too.

Matz is looking NASTY for Toronto. 2 perfect, 4 k's. Touching 96-97 on the gun

In comment 15210296 pjcas18 said:

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extend to putting out a lineup or did that end for the Mets with Davey Johnson? Pillar can wind up with a monster game and shut people up, but it doesn't change that the analytics strongly suggested against this. With the expanded analytics dept the Mets have you have to wonder if it includes lineup construction too.

It doesn't even sound like Rojas is making the claim he has some inside numbers that are pushing this decision. Said he wanted Pillar in there vs. a lefty given his ab's this spring against lefties and that they plan on putting in Dom if a righty comes into the game.

In comment 15210301 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15210296 pjcas18 said: Quote: extend to putting out a lineup or did that end for the Mets with Davey Johnson? Pillar can wind up with a monster game and shut people up, but it doesn't change that the analytics strongly suggested against this. With the expanded analytics dept the Mets have you have to wonder if it includes lineup construction too. It doesn't even sound like Rojas is making the claim he has some inside numbers that are pushing this decision. Said he wanted Pillar in there vs. a lefty given his ab's this spring against lefties and that they plan on putting in Dom if a righty comes into the game.

Right, and his claim is against the analytics, so as fans we have to assume he's not considering what the stats suggest the best lineup should be and therefore analytics do not extend to the lineup. I am using stats and analytics interchangeably like a lot of people do.

At least in this case he's not considering the data.

To some extent, with Guillorme, he’s arrived as somebody you want in that role too.

Truth is, if we are fully healthy, Rojas will look for excuses to get guys in the lineup. I think that’s all this is. With a stretch of righties coming up, it’s probably a week before Pillar can get in a game again.

It’s a long season.

Hopefully next time Pillar gets a start it’s for Nimmo or Conforto and he doesn’t become Dom’s caddy.

I’m excited for him and will continue to root for him.

Heck, even Harvey looked decent the other night too and I was happy to see it.

pefect for Matz.

Wheeler, Harvey, Flexen and now Matz all pitching well in their season debuts.

noting, Texas is REALLY bad.

in my fantasy baseball team, lol.

I'm not a fantasy baseball guy, but I got roped into it and needed a guy late and thought Matz has good stuff. Sometimes. and maybe I can be the beneficiary.

He had decent starts with the Mets until the bottom would fall out and he'd have awful innings that negated his good starts.

I think they are relatively the same. I had Pfizer but I think Moderna boosters will be better able to deal with variants

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Rule 5 pick... first pitch he ever sees... HR, 2nd career game... granny.

Should have kept him. With all the new analytics maybe we could have made him a better pitcher.

promise I won't do this every time he starts but 5 innings 2 hits 1 run 1 walk 5 k's for Matz.

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promise I won't do this every time he starts but 5 innings 2 hits 1 run 1 walk 5 k's for Matz.

K's the side in the 6th. I bear no ill will to him or almost any other ex-Met.

I do bear ill will toward the ex GM though.

played into that, if memory serves they did that deal right before the rumors came out about how serious they were in on Bauer and we know they legitimately thought they had him at one point.

Either way if they kept Matz they probably wouldn't have signed Walker, so if he pitches well they got him plus the 3 arms in the system.

also agree with everyone above, benching Dom is stupid. Wouldn't it have been good to have Pillar on the bench if Alvardo comes in late in the game and the pitchers spot is due up?

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Citi

squeezed

Blew their one shot :)

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squeezed

After two bad strike calls on Lindor.

Squeezing Jake and giving Moore multiple pitches off the plate?? And the late timeout call?? Weird stuff

week off.

The outside corners, but nothing on the top or bottom of the zone.

Mets looking like they haven’t played in a week

Having to listen to the Phillies announcers here suuuuuucks.. nothing good about this delayed opening day situation so far..

into CF doesn’t he?

Play by Lindor.

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Honestly...forgot what having an elite fielding SS felt like..dude made that look very easy...

bad.

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bad.

Maybe if he didn’t spend the off-season prostituting underage females he would be better

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Is this real?

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Jesus and has a job still crazy.

Not be an adventure in the infield.

Pitching almost all 4 seam fastballs. Incredible that the Phillies haven’t hit it and that he stayed with that fastball.

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Rojas looking like a dum dum so far

Wow!

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Wow!

Pitches 3 and 4 were clearly strikes not balls. Maybe the ump feels bad for the Phil’s for giving Harper such a ridiculous contract

hit 102 tonight, holy shit.

hot gun?

and that pitch to Davis was not a strike.

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hit 102 tonight, holy shit. hot gun? and that pitch to Davis was not a strike.

No more hot guns. Its all statcast motion capture now. Pretty sure he hit 102 a few times actually.

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hit 102 tonight, holy shit. hot gun? and that pitch to Davis was not a strike.

The home plate has been terrible. He's really stretched the zone on both sides.

Awful.

started they said deGrom threw the 25 fastest pitches of his career tonight.

I don't know how they're measuring speed, but I think at some point they'll do some studies on deGrom to figure out how a guy at 32 years old is getting better and increasing velocity (and effectiveness) not leveling out or slowly declining.

I don't know if there is another example of a career like his.

may be done. These Phillies announcers are begging for him to be out of the game.

deGrom pulled.

Not sure I understand why he hasn’t come in yet.

Pulled at 77 pitches when Rojas said he could go 100 tonight? This is as poorly managed of a first game that I can remember.

When he started benching Conforto against lefties so he could play Heredia, who was not even that great a CFer

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started they said deGrom threw the 25 fastest pitches of his career tonight. I don't know how they're measuring speed, but I think at some point they'll do some studies on deGrom to figure out how a guy at 32 years old is getting better and increasing velocity (and effectiveness) not leveling out or slowly declining. I don't know if there is another example of a career like his.

He, himself has spoken about it many times. He took a massive jump from about 95/96 to around 100 a few years ago by adding in a second throw day in between starts. He says its the biggest reason for his velocity bump. Wheeler, while still a Met, copied degrom'nsm program and also got a big jump post Tommy John when he was able to reach 99/100 again as well.

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Pulled at 77 pitches when Rojas said he could go 100 tonight? This is as poorly managed of a first game that I can remember.

Utterly predictable and completely ridiculous.

Castro looked pretty dang good there, and was lights out all spring.

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Castro looked pretty dang good there, and was lights out all spring.

Besides Segura the Phillies smoked the ball off him.

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In comment 15210646 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Castro looked pretty dang good there, and was lights out all spring. Besides Segura the Phillies smoked the ball off him.

The Segura AB was huge and he should have had two outs off that weak hit. Was spotting a 101 mph fastball on the corners and got a really nice looking slider over the plate as well.

pitch from May was nasty.

hilarious. lol

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pitch from May was nasty.

that one was not. tying run to the plate.

Great stuff, no control.

Exactly what Mets didn’t need.

Sandy can’t put together s bullpen

So many mistakes in this one... Hopefully, the chickens dont come home...

We didn’t take DeGrom out after 77 pitches. He could have given another inning or two.

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We didn’t take DeGrom out after 77 pitches. He could have given another inning or two.

In Rojas defense, Castro pitched the 7th and gave up no runs

if deGrom said something to Rojas that led to the hook, until we find out, I'm going to assume he did, otherwise it makes no sense.

6-2.

But it’s frustrating watching what everyone said was a weakness not get addressed by Sandy and then watch Rojas make constant mistakes yet again.

the Mets bullpen blows a deGrom start.

same shit different year.

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can a bullpen suck this much for years?

a disaster

We're probably still right here.

Lucas Duda at 3B?

without shot going bad.

Guillerme. The defensive specialist. Lol

What a fucking disaster! How do they do this to Jake with such regularity?!

I missed baseball

Still not sure why Smith didn’t hit vs the righty with a chance to bury these guys.

The result is always the same

Jake deserves so much better.

they need more in the BP
they need less guys playing unnatural positions
they need less over managing (play the best players)

I'm less annoyed with pulling JDG early than not having Dom Smith in the game with the bases loaded to break the game open. And not having Marwin or someone who has actually played 3b available to come in and play 3rd late in a game.

Have to boycott. Not for politics, for my mental health.

not the bullpen solely in this case.

first I believe his manager sabotaged him (until we hear differently) taking him out an inning too early.

second, a glove first infielder brought in for defense makes a wide throw to the plate on an easy force out (pitcher did his job) the newly added free agent catcher drops the wide throw that still hit his glove. two runs scored on that play and put another runner in scoring position that allowed a SF because their was just one out.

I took a year off of watching the Mets last season ( first time since the 60’s) because I hate the dh. It feels like it’s right where I left off with deGrom pitching great but no support.

but scoring only 2 runs against a washed up mike Moore and most of the ass end of Philly’s bullpen isn’t good enough. Doesn’t help when we sit one of our best hitters for no reason to play a scrub.

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31st time in deGroms career that the bullpen blew a win for him. man.

31st time the Mets have blown a deGrom lead.

lol, not funny, but what else can you do?

I wonder if that's a stat to see how other pitchers fare in this "contest", I heard it on the broadcast.

Yes Degrom came out too early and they made errors

But it’s not just about this game. It’s about a pen
That has five RH relievers who have great movement but cannot consistently locate their pitches.

Lugo is the only reliable reliever who can actually locate. Until he comes back, no
Lead is safe with this Collection of clowns. It’s like we have five Benitez’s

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have more fight than the fans, that's good to see, but damage is probably done.

actually made me feel a bit better lol.

Pete just missed that... damn!

And Mickey was one of the worst Ive ever seen.

Oh well. Get em tomorrow.

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have more fight than the fans, that's good to see, but damage is probably done.

Could use less fight, more basic plays, like completing a simple throw from 3rd to home.

Rojas different than Callaway imo was he showed some humility last year and owned it when he made mistakes. Sitting Dom was unjustifiable, and not bringing him off the bench to hit with the bases loaded vs a righty was even worse.

play the best players. the BP isn't good enough (at this point) to be cute. and the defense will likely never be good enough.

Smith available to come in to hit with the bases loaded was such ridiculously obvious thing, it’s actually somewhat scary to think that he didn’t do it

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Smith available to come in to hit with the bases loaded was such ridiculously obvious thing, it’s actually somewhat scary to think that he didn’t do it

I think he felt on a limb with the Pillar decision so he didn't want to bail on it and bail on him. But that's why the decision to give him the team's first at bat of the season was stupid in the first place. He's at best what, the 9th or 10th best hitter on the team?

about baseball is they're back at it tomorrow.

never go more than a couple of days after a bad loss.

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“I’m satisfied,” Luis Rojas said of the decisions made tonight.

In other words: He felt the processes were solid. The results just didn’t come.

is definitely a starting caliber player and a very good defensive CF - but if you start him - and you SIT the third best hitter on the team on opening day, AND you have options to replace Pillar in CF, you absolutely have to get him in the game when it plays out that way

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is definitely a starting caliber player and a very good defensive CF - but if you start him - and you SIT the third best hitter on the team on opening day, AND you have options to replace Pillar in CF, you absolutely have to get him in the game when it plays out that way

If you state that you started him due to a lefty pitcher, and he's removed, then you have every reason to pinch hit.

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not the bullpen solely in this case. first I believe his manager sabotaged him (until we hear differently) taking him out an inning too early. second, a glove first infielder brought in for defense makes a wide throw to the plate on an easy force out (pitcher did his job) the newly added free agent catcher drops the wide throw that still hit his glove. two runs scored on that play and put another runner in scoring position that allowed a SF because their was just one out.

There ya go. Easy throw to home there that wasn't executed well by Guillorme or McCann.

Just made a 2-part bet with my Phillies fan buddy.

Part 1: $100 Mets finish with better record than Phils.
Part 2: Mets win division, for another $100.

Obviously, I hate money.

If Mets don't finish better than Phils, it's worst case scenario.

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is definitely a starting caliber player and a very good defensive CF - but if you start him - and you SIT the third best hitter on the team on opening day, AND you have options to replace Pillar in CF, you absolutely have to get him in the game when it plays out that way

If Pete just keeps the inning going, Dom is up with a chance to win the game. That's what you want.

They gave him an out last year by saying you can't judge off a shortened season. Well....they should have.

And it’s always meaningless. Get em tomorrow.

There were only a few things he had control over and he got them all wrong!!!!