As it takes Carolina out of the running for a QB at 8. It also potentially makes the Giants in a favorable position because Chicago suddenly can make a play for 11 in addition to New England.
A 2 and 4 next year is treated as a 3 & 5. So a 3,5,6th is a haul for a player who was the third overall pick? I know it’s better than some thought but still a bust pick.
So, does Carolina ultimately give him a 2nd contract?
but a pretty good return for a player the Jets had no interest in keeping, and it was no secret. Good for the Jets, let's see them turn it into quality picks.
and he will likely play behind a dismal offensive team until 2025 when the Jets trade him because they plan to take a QB again in the top 3.
If I were a Jets fan I would have traded that #2 pick for a haul and given Darnold another year. Stock up on picks, solidify the OL and add another weapon outside. If Darnold stinks then you at least have the benefit of adding 2 more 1st rounders in '22 and '23 and likely another 3rd and they'll still have a top 5 pick in '22 to go QB.
That *also* may signal Carolina, while they still may draft a QB high, is probably not trading up for a QB, or thinks the cost is too high for the value, so this is more of a hedge.
It feels like someone else is going to trade up ahead of Carolina for another QB.
As it takes Carolina out of the running for a QB at 8. It also potentially makes the Giants in a favorable position because Chicago suddenly can make a play for 11 in addition to New England.
But if CAR is not in the running for a QB, doesn't this put pick 8 in play, in an obviously better spot than pick 11?
Seems like it makes the Giants spot (in terms of a trade down) worse if you think CAR is out of the QB market because of Darnold (which I'm not convinced of - at the small price they paid especially)
As it takes Carolina out of the running for a QB at 8. It also potentially makes the Giants in a favorable position because Chicago suddenly can make a play for 11 in addition to New England.
I don't think you can say Carolina is out on drafting a QB. You could say Carolina isn't trading up for one.
As it takes Carolina out of the running for a QB at 8. It also potentially makes the Giants in a favorable position because Chicago suddenly can make a play for 11 in addition to New England.
But if CAR is not in the running for a QB, doesn't this put pick 8 in play, in an obviously better spot than pick 11?
Seems like it makes the Giants spot (in terms of a trade down) worse if you think CAR is out of the QB market because of Darnold (which I'm not convinced of - at the small price they paid especially)
If Carolina isn't going for a QB and you are convinced that Denver won't be either, Dallas won't unless Jerry Jones does something crazy, then that leaves 11 because Philly or Minnesota could go for one. Even if Denver does go for a QB then the Giants are the last spot to get the last 1st Round QB if you want one.
when Jets fans were trashing/mocking NYG for drafting Barkley and subsequently allowing Darnold to fall to the Jets. So many gems.
It would be interesting to find out what Barkley's trade value would be. Even if he's healthy he still might not bring back a 2, 4 and a 6, given that he's a RB.
Gave up very little for a QB that's has shown flashes on the least talented offense in the league.
They try him out for 1 year and can pick up the option if he works out.
It's safe to say we have no clue what Darnold is right now.
amazing how Darnold and Rosen have flamed out of their original teams. So many thought they were the future of the league. QB is a lot more than how well you throw the ball. And for the Jets, there is no guarantee that the next guy will be any better.
This was the big debate and it’s still unclear. I’d probably take Barkley over darnold
if we are talking about a normal Barkley - this is no contest. One has been the rookie of the year and one of the more dynamic offensive players in the entire league when healthy. the other hasn't shown anything.
Gave up very little for a QB that's has shown flashes on the least talented offense in the league.
They try him out for 1 year and can pick up the option if he works out.
It's safe to say we have no clue what Darnold is right now.
The 6th and 5th is whatever, but a 2nd round pick is nothing to sneeze at.
Sam truly truly truly stinks. He cannot play at NFL speed. If they start him he will fail. If they don't start him the trade was a horrible overpay. This will be the second team that was totally wrong about Sam Darnold . The guy stinks.
Who used to post here before each season about how Darnold was going to be a top 5 QB by the end of that season. I wonder if he will do the same for Zach Wilson.
Makes it less likely that 4 or 5 QBs go before us, and one of the WRs drops to us.
I disagree. I think the best case scenario is that Lance (presumably the 5th QB) is there at 11 and NE trades up to our spot yielding 15 and other goodies.
that year and I watched because of all the talk about the Giants. I was never impressed with him. He just didn't have "it". Never inspired any confidence.
Gave up very little for a QB that's has shown flashes on the least talented offense in the league.
They try him out for 1 year and can pick up the option if he works out.
It's safe to say we have no clue what Darnold is right now.
I heard on the radio his option had to be picked up or declined by 5/3 of this year
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This was the big debate and it’s still unclear. I’d probably take Barkley over darnold///////
if we are talking about a normal Barkley - this is no contest. One has been the rookie of the year and one of the more dynamic offensive players in the entire league when healthy. the other hasn't shown anything.
I don't know, ryan--as well as to djm's comment at the top--Barkley's injury issues cannot simply be dismissed as non-factors, can they? Look at the purported impact on our seasons.
I wouldn't be crowing about how that draft went down, for either team.
Someone needs to photoshop the Thank You Giants t-shirts on some Nicaraguan kids and get that to me ASAP. I have alot of group texts that could use it.
but it likely means someone that wasn't going to trade into the top 10 for a QB now will. Hard to really know what impact this will have until we see on draft day.
Looks like a deal that works for both teams. Its a really good market for Darnold to go to, NY just wasn't for him.
Gave up very little for a QB that's has shown flashes on the least talented offense in the league.
They try him out for 1 year and can pick up the option if he works out.
It's safe to say we have no clue what Darnold is right now.
Know who he remind me of.....Rick Mirer from Seattle back in the 90s.
This is great because through a Carolina proxy we get to see what a Rhule led, Darnold QB'd team looks like. And will the Giants be better than them.
yes. nor will the intelligentsia here ever own up to it.
Probably makes Pitts dropping to #11 even more unlikely.
If I were a Jets fan I would have traded that #2 pick for a haul and given Darnold another year. Stock up on picks, solidify the OL and add another weapon outside. If Darnold stinks then you at least have the benefit of adding 2 more 1st rounders in '22 and '23 and likely another 3rd and they'll still have a top 5 pick in '22 to go QB.
That *also* may signal Carolina, while they still may draft a QB high, is probably not trading up for a QB, or thinks the cost is too high for the value, so this is more of a hedge.
It feels like someone else is going to trade up ahead of Carolina for another QB.
But if CAR is not in the running for a QB, doesn't this put pick 8 in play, in an obviously better spot than pick 11?
Seems like it makes the Giants spot (in terms of a trade down) worse if you think CAR is out of the QB market because of Darnold (which I'm not convinced of - at the small price they paid especially)
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As it takes Carolina out of the running for a QB at 8. It also potentially makes the Giants in a favorable position because Chicago suddenly can make a play for 11 in addition to New England.
But if CAR is not in the running for a QB, doesn't this put pick 8 in play, in an obviously better spot than pick 11?
Seems like it makes the Giants spot (in terms of a trade down) worse if you think CAR is out of the QB market because of Darnold (which I'm not convinced of - at the small price they paid especially)
If Carolina isn't going for a QB and you are convinced that Denver won't be either, Dallas won't unless Jerry Jones does something crazy, then that leaves 11 because Philly or Minnesota could go for one. Even if Denver does go for a QB then the Giants are the last spot to get the last 1st Round QB if you want one.
It would be interesting to find out what Barkley's trade value would be. Even if he's healthy he still might not bring back a 2, 4 and a 6, given that he's a RB.
They try him out for 1 year and can pick up the option if he works out.
It's safe to say we have no clue what Darnold is right now.
if we are talking about a normal Barkley - this is no contest. One has been the rookie of the year and one of the more dynamic offensive players in the entire league when healthy. the other hasn't shown anything.
They try him out for 1 year and can pick up the option if he works out.
It's safe to say we have no clue what Darnold is right now.
Definitely upside though for the Panthers.
Yeah, and they really need a corner. Can see them taking Surtain.
As it turned out, should have been Chubb versus Nelson.
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This was the big debate and it’s still unclear. I’d probably take Barkley over darnold
As it turned out, should have been Chubb versus Nelson.
Chubb tore his ACL just like Barkley did.
I disagree. I think the best case scenario is that Lance (presumably the 5th QB) is there at 11 and NE trades up to our spot yielding 15 and other goodies.
They try him out for 1 year and can pick up the option if he works out.
It's safe to say we have no clue what Darnold is right now.
I heard on the radio his option had to be picked up or declined by 5/3 of this year
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This was the big debate and it’s still unclear. I’d probably take Barkley over darnold///////
if we are talking about a normal Barkley - this is no contest. One has been the rookie of the year and one of the more dynamic offensive players in the entire league when healthy. the other hasn't shown anything.
I wouldn't be crowing about how that draft went down, for either team.
Looks like a deal that works for both teams. Its a really good market for Darnold to go to, NY just wasn't for him.
They try him out for 1 year and can pick up the option if he works out.
It's safe to say we have no clue what Darnold is right now.
Know who he remind me of.....Rick Mirer from Seattle back in the 90s.
That's what I see............