but it likely means someone that wasn't going to trade into the top 10 for a QB now will. Hard to really know what impact this will have until we see on draft day.
Looks like a deal that works for both teams. Its a really good market for Darnold to go to, NY just wasn't for him.
This is where I am at, less likely we will trade down now, but have to see how it all plays out.
but it likely means someone that wasn't going to trade into the top 10 for a QB now will. Hard to really know what impact this will have until we see on draft day.
Looks like a deal that works for both teams. Its a really good market for Darnold to go to, NY just wasn't for him.
This is where I am at, less likely we will trade down now, but have to see how it all plays out.
I think it's less likely the Giants trade down regardless. I believe Waddle or Smith will be there at 11 and that's going to be their selection.
I meant 5 QB's hopefully still going in the top 10 to push a player to us. That's still possible now, will depend a lot on what Atlanta does first and foremost and then might snowball from there.
and he will likely play behind a dismal offensive team until 2025 when the Jets trade him because they plan to take a QB again in the top 3.
If I were a Jets fan I would have traded that #2 pick for a haul and given Darnold another year. Stock up on picks, solidify the OL and add another weapon outside. If Darnold stinks then you at least have the benefit of adding 2 more 1st rounders in '22 and '23 and likely another 3rd and they'll still have a top 5 pick in '22 to go QB.
A 2 and 4 next year is treated as a 3 & 5. So a 3,5,6th is a haul for a player who was the third overall pick? I know it’s better than some thought but still a bust pick.
Your looking at it wrong. Where you correctly stated, a 2,4, and 6 is not a haul for the third pick in the draft. Sam D. is no longer the 3rd pick in the draft, he is a former 3rd pick in the draft who has never played at the level expected of someone picked 3rd; basically a sunk cost at this point (possibly a bust). A 2,4,and 6 is certainly a haul for a reclamation project.
has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.
agreed. even though they added Darnold I believe they could still add a QB. Why would Ruhle put all his eggs into a QB who has been a bust thus far. And a QB with such serious flaws.
has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.
agreed. even though they added Darnold I believe they could still add a QB. Why would Ruhle put all his eggs into a QB who has been a bust thus far. And a QB with such serious flaws.
Totally agree. If anything this deal shows they are improving the position, and haven't thrown a ton of resource at it.
I think Darnold can't play in the NFL, the Panthers just got fleeced, and if I'm Rhule, there's no way I'm putting all my eggs in the Darnold basket. I actually thinks this puts Trey Lance, who needs time on the bench, in play for Carolina.
They can start Darnold, see what they have, and if he flops, move on to their #1 pick.
considering Darnold was seeing "ghosts" a year ago.
Look, the guy needs a change of scenery. So maybe Rhule can rehabilitate him.
Unless the Jets get that OL fixed, I wonder if Fields isn't a better fit for them than Wilson...A bigger, stronger, faster athlete with a very good arm as well.
I think Darnold can't play in the NFL, the Panthers just got fleeced, and if I'm Rhule, there's no way I'm putting all my eggs in the Darnold basket. I actually thinks this puts Trey Lance, who needs time on the bench, in play for Carolina.
They can start Darnold, see what they have, and if he flops, move on to their #1 pick.
Exactly. Lance would be a great pick for them, but he's going number 3 to San Fran.
doubt Carolina takes a QB, especially since they just exercised the fifth year option on Darnold. Darnold could stink, but the Jets were terrible, so this is a good gamble by Carolina for a relatively low cost.
But I still think all five QBs go before #11. That will push a player down to us, most likely one of Waddle or Smith. But it reduces the chance of a trade down, since I don't think anyone will trade up for a non-QB.
He did a great quick podcast analysis of Darnold early in the season. It was very instructive.
In it he mentions that Darnold makes occasional plays that make you go wow, that was great. But then he makes just as many mistakes that are so fundamental even high school QBs have mastered them, and it makes you wonder why Darnold hasn't mastered them yet, and if he ever will. Because if he can't master these things, he can't be a successful NFL starter.
In the same podcast he insists that pro QB analysts can judge a QB regardless of his context, because they are looking at concise, repeatable actions and moments. Which is why the mantra on here that we can't judge Jones based on what has already happened is bunk. But that's another story.
If anyone has an interest in this Cosell podcast appearance I can find it pretty easily and link it here.
you should think everyone in the league knows Darnold has this problem, so I think it is unlikely Carolina is settled on Darnold as an answer. They know he has this flaw and it is too risky not to consider other options.
doubt Carolina takes a QB, especially since they just exercised the fifth year option on Darnold. Darnold could stink, but the Jets were terrible, so this is a good gamble by Carolina for a relatively low cost.
I agree. My bet is they try to upgrade the parts around Darnold to give him the best chance to succeed.
Because that would be a tough sell to the fan base - assuming Tepper cares about that - drafting a QB after giving up pretty good draft capital to obtain Darnold.
Like us with Jones and Barkley, Darnold is going to need a healthy CMac.
But a decent haul for somebody that was out of picture anyway.
Better for our trade down chances. 1 less team in top 10 looking for a QB.
1 maybe drops to us & NE & Chi look to jump up.
Btw, I don’t think Atl takes a QB just yet. 1 can hope.
Panthers Possibilities at No. 8 in my Opinion Now, in Order
1. OT (Sewell or Slater)
2. Trade Down (NE or WFT)
3. Defense (my guess: cornerback)
4. QB (don't think it happens, though, after trading 3 picks and presumably picking up that 18 mil option for Darnold for 2022)
I think the Panthers ultimately go Slater or trade down to a team looking for QB and the top 11 shakes out like this.
1. JAX: Lawrence
2. NYJ: Wilson
3. SF: QB3 TBD
4. ATL/DEN: QB4 TBD (I think a Falcons/Broncos trade is a real possibility, obviously not alone in that assessment).
5. CIN: Sewell or Chase
6. MIA: Chase or Pitts...maybe Sewell but that's option 3
7. DET: Whoever is left from Sewell, Chase, Pitts
8. CAR: Slater or trade down to team for QB5.
9. DEN/ATL: Defense
10. DAL: Defense
11. NYG: Thinking Smith based on previous asshat info on BBI.
has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.
Didn't follow Bridgewater at all in Carolina, but his stats were not too shabby -- 69.1% completion for 3,733 yards. 15 TDs and 11 INTs. 92.1 QB Rating. We've seen worse in NY.
The thing is, and not sure if this is a "problem" or not, but odds are that it will be Waddle sitting there.
So I've been thinking, is Waddle a receiving threat they'd be happy to have over edge or trading back? Not sure.
I agree and my concerns with Waddle, which may be irrational in part, is my own worst case scenario. If we do end up picking him I’m just going to have to suck it up and hope the lower leg injuries don’t hit him.
For both teams. It's bad for Detroit who reportedly wants to trade down from 7, as now teams won't likely feel they need to get ahead of the Panthers at 8 to get whichever QB the Niners pass on. Perhaps Denver could go QB at 9 but I think they give Lock another year, and they still have Rypien and Driskel to evaluate as well.
No idea. Gotta want to trade him first. If he has the kind of season in 2021 where the Giants want to trade him, it's going to be less than what they could get today.
has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.
Didn't follow Bridgewater at all in Carolina, but his stats were not too shabby -- 69.1% completion for 3,733 yards. 15 TDs and 11 INTs. 92.1 QB Rating. We've seen worse in NY.
Will be really interesting to see where Bridgewater lands. NFL.com article I read seemed to indicate Carolina will trade him rather than keep him around to backup Darnold.
Seems like Teddy could be redundant in Chicago (Dalton) and NE (Cam). Staying in the NFCS may be the thing for him. Maybe ATL as a "bridge" between Ryan and a TBD young qb? Back to NO to jump into the fray with Taysom and Jameis? Not much backing up Brady in TB, so how about there.
Looks like a deal that works for both teams. Its a really good market for Darnold to go to, NY just wasn't for him.
This is where I am at, less likely we will trade down now, but have to see how it all plays out.
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but it likely means someone that wasn't going to trade into the top 10 for a QB now will. Hard to really know what impact this will have until we see on draft day.
Looks like a deal that works for both teams. Its a really good market for Darnold to go to, NY just wasn't for him.
This is where I am at, less likely we will trade down now, but have to see how it all plays out.
I think it's less likely the Giants trade down regardless. I believe Waddle or Smith will be there at 11 and that's going to be their selection.
Doubt it.
If I were a Jets fan I would have traded that #2 pick for a haul and given Darnold another year. Stock up on picks, solidify the OL and add another weapon outside. If Darnold stinks then you at least have the benefit of adding 2 more 1st rounders in '22 and '23 and likely another 3rd and they'll still have a top 5 pick in '22 to go QB.
^^This^^
It wouldn’t surprise me. I just hope that they don’t take Pitts or one of the WR’s.
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.
It wouldn’t surprise me. I just hope that they don’t take Pitts or one of the WR’s.
I'd say that's exactly what they will be doing if they don't trade down.
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This was the big debate and it’s still unclear. I’d probably take Barkley over darnold
As it turned out, should have been Chubb versus Nelson.
Trade down is the best choice but feels like DG didnt get a good enough offer.
agreed. even though they added Darnold I believe they could still add a QB. Why would Ruhle put all his eggs into a QB who has been a bust thus far. And a QB with such serious flaws.
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.
agreed. even though they added Darnold I believe they could still add a QB. Why would Ruhle put all his eggs into a QB who has been a bust thus far. And a QB with such serious flaws.
I don't think he becomes a world beater by any means but I think he will show he can at least win some games in Carolina.
They can start Darnold, see what they have, and if he flops, move on to their #1 pick.
Look, the guy needs a change of scenery. So maybe Rhule can rehabilitate him.
Unless the Jets get that OL fixed, I wonder if Fields isn't a better fit for them than Wilson...A bigger, stronger, faster athlete with a very good arm as well.
They can start Darnold, see what they have, and if he flops, move on to their #1 pick.
Exactly. Lance would be a great pick for them, but he's going number 3 to San Fran.
But I still think all five QBs go before #11. That will push a player down to us, most likely one of Waddle or Smith. But it reduces the chance of a trade down, since I don't think anyone will trade up for a non-QB.
In it he mentions that Darnold makes occasional plays that make you go wow, that was great. But then he makes just as many mistakes that are so fundamental even high school QBs have mastered them, and it makes you wonder why Darnold hasn't mastered them yet, and if he ever will. Because if he can't master these things, he can't be a successful NFL starter.
In the same podcast he insists that pro QB analysts can judge a QB regardless of his context, because they are looking at concise, repeatable actions and moments. Which is why the mantra on here that we can't judge Jones based on what has already happened is bunk. But that's another story.
If anyone has an interest in this Cosell podcast appearance I can find it pretty easily and link it here.
It's ok to have 2 QBs.
I agree. My bet is they try to upgrade the parts around Darnold to give him the best chance to succeed.
Because that would be a tough sell to the fan base - assuming Tepper cares about that - drafting a QB after giving up pretty good draft capital to obtain Darnold.
Like us with Jones and Barkley, Darnold is going to need a healthy CMac.
Better for our trade down chances. 1 less team in top 10 looking for a QB.
1 maybe drops to us & NE & Chi look to jump up.
Btw, I don’t think Atl takes a QB just yet. 1 can hope.
2. Trade Down (NE or WFT)
3. Defense (my guess: cornerback)
4. QB (don't think it happens, though, after trading 3 picks and presumably picking up that 18 mil option for Darnold for 2022)
I think the Panthers ultimately go Slater or trade down to a team looking for QB and the top 11 shakes out like this.
1. JAX: Lawrence
2. NYJ: Wilson
3. SF: QB3 TBD
4. ATL/DEN: QB4 TBD (I think a Falcons/Broncos trade is a real possibility, obviously not alone in that assessment).
5. CIN: Sewell or Chase
6. MIA: Chase or Pitts...maybe Sewell but that's option 3
7. DET: Whoever is left from Sewell, Chase, Pitts
8. CAR: Slater or trade down to team for QB5.
9. DEN/ATL: Defense
10. DAL: Defense
11. NYG: Thinking Smith based on previous asshat info on BBI.
Just spitballing for fun, who the hell knows.
Didn't follow Bridgewater at all in Carolina, but his stats were not too shabby -- 69.1% completion for 3,733 yards. 15 TDs and 11 INTs. 92.1 QB Rating. We've seen worse in NY.
Who would have thought that the one time you and FMiC agree on something, you'd both be wrong ;>)
I highly doubt that Carolina gave up a 2, 4 and a 6 for a young QB without committing to picking up Darnold's $18M option.
And if they're making that kind of commitment, why would they draft a QB in RD-1?
The thing is, and not sure if this is a "problem" or not, but odds are that it will be Waddle sitting there.
So I've been thinking, is Waddle a receiving threat they'd be happy to have over edge or trading back? Not sure.
Jets get to rebuild around Wilson who I like more than Darnold coming out.
Should be exciting for both teams. Jets are loaded qith picks. Theyll have aome fun drafts the next two years.
Priceless!
The thing is, and not sure if this is a "problem" or not, but odds are that it will be Waddle sitting there.
So I've been thinking, is Waddle a receiving threat they'd be happy to have over edge or trading back? Not sure.
I agree and my concerns with Waddle, which may be irrational in part, is my own worst case scenario. If we do end up picking him I’m just going to have to suck it up and hope the lower leg injuries don’t hit him.
Sewell isn't getting past the Bengals.
Definitely not odd ... seems rather even handed ...
If the Jets can get a second for Darnold makes me wonder what we could get for Jones.
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.
Didn't follow Bridgewater at all in Carolina, but his stats were not too shabby -- 69.1% completion for 3,733 yards. 15 TDs and 11 INTs. 92.1 QB Rating. We've seen worse in NY.
Will be really interesting to see where Bridgewater lands. NFL.com article I read seemed to indicate Carolina will trade him rather than keep him around to backup Darnold.
Seems like Teddy could be redundant in Chicago (Dalton) and NE (Cam). Staying in the NFCS may be the thing for him. Maybe ATL as a "bridge" between Ryan and a TBD young qb? Back to NO to jump into the fray with Taysom and Jameis? Not much backing up Brady in TB, so how about there.
Other than that, to PIT in case Ben breaks down?
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their #8 pick to protect Darnold.
Sewell isn't getting past the Bengals.
If not, then Slater is there if they go OL. If they don't go OL then getting a good receiver is another good possibility for Rhule to draft.
Every team positioned to take a new QB at the top of the draft is "potentially in a good spot".
Calm down. I'm not saying anything else.
So sensitive.
Makes me wonder how much we would get for Jones if we decide to move on...probably not much more that what the Jets got, maybe less.