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Sam Darnold traded

JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 3:58 pm
To the Panthers according to Schefter
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Panthers may go with Sewell at OT with  
GFAN52 : 4/5/2021 4:39 pm : link
their #8 pick to protect Darnold.
RE: first reaction is that kinda sucks for us  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/5/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15210255 UConn4523 said:
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but it likely means someone that wasn't going to trade into the top 10 for a QB now will. Hard to really know what impact this will have until we see on draft day.

Looks like a deal that works for both teams. Its a really good market for Darnold to go to, NY just wasn't for him.

This is where I am at, less likely we will trade down now, but have to see how it all plays out.
I don’t see them taking a WR  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 4:41 pm : link
They either trade down, or take Sewell (if he’s there) or Surtain at 8.
Carolina..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/5/2021 4:42 pm : link
has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.
RE: RE: first reaction is that kinda sucks for us  
GFAN52 : 4/5/2021 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15210260 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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but it likely means someone that wasn't going to trade into the top 10 for a QB now will. Hard to really know what impact this will have until we see on draft day.

Looks like a deal that works for both teams. Its a really good market for Darnold to go to, NY just wasn't for him.


This is where I am at, less likely we will trade down now, but have to see how it all plays out.


I think it's less likely the Giants trade down regardless. I believe Waddle or Smith will be there at 11 and that's going to be their selection.
RE: Carolina..  
GFAN52 : 4/5/2021 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15210263 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.


Doubt it.
I'm not even thinking trade down for us  
UConn4523 : 4/5/2021 4:45 pm : link
I meant 5 QB's hopefully still going in the top 10 to push a player to us. That's still possible now, will depend a lot on what Atlanta does first and foremost and then might snowball from there.
RE: So the Jets will pick Wilson  
Hammer : 4/5/2021 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15210194 csb said:
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and he will likely play behind a dismal offensive team until 2025 when the Jets trade him because they plan to take a QB again in the top 3.

If I were a Jets fan I would have traded that #2 pick for a haul and given Darnold another year. Stock up on picks, solidify the OL and add another weapon outside. If Darnold stinks then you at least have the benefit of adding 2 more 1st rounders in '22 and '23 and likely another 3rd and they'll still have a top 5 pick in '22 to go QB.


^^This^^
RE: Carolina..  
Jay on the Island : 4/5/2021 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15210263 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.

It wouldn’t surprise me. I just hope that they don’t take Pitts or one of the WR’s.
RE: Haul?  
Beer Man : 4/5/2021 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15210173 Carl in CT said:
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A 2 and 4 next year is treated as a 3 & 5. So a 3,5,6th is a haul for a player who was the third overall pick? I know it’s better than some thought but still a bust pick.
Your looking at it wrong. Where you correctly stated, a 2,4, and 6 is not a haul for the third pick in the draft. Sam D. is no longer the 3rd pick in the draft, he is a former 3rd pick in the draft who has never played at the level expected of someone picked 3rd; basically a sunk cost at this point (possibly a bust). A 2,4,and 6 is certainly a haul for a reclamation project.
Saleh might not like Darnold  
UConn4523 : 4/5/2021 4:48 pm : link
and the GM didn't pick him either. You don't let that linger you move on. I have absolutely no issue at all with this.
RE: RE: Carolina..  
UConn4523 : 4/5/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15210275 Jay on the Island said:
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.


It wouldn’t surprise me. I just hope that they don’t take Pitts or one of the WR’s.


I'd say that's exactly what they will be doing if they don't trade down.
RE: RE: Barkley vs Darnold  
Toth029 : 4/5/2021 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15210233 jeff57 said:
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This was the big debate and it’s still unclear. I’d probably take Barkley over darnold



As it turned out, should have been Chubb versus Nelson.


Trade down is the best choice but feels like DG didnt get a good enough offer.
RE: Carolina..  
Producer : 4/5/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15210263 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.


agreed. even though they added Darnold I believe they could still add a QB. Why would Ruhle put all his eggs into a QB who has been a bust thus far. And a QB with such serious flaws.
Surprised no one posted this yet  
BigBlue89 : 4/5/2021 4:52 pm : link
RE: RE: Carolina..  
DavidinBMNY : 4/5/2021 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15210292 Producer said:
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.



agreed. even though they added Darnold I believe they could still add a QB. Why would Ruhle put all his eggs into a QB who has been a bust thus far. And a QB with such serious flaws.
Totally agree. If anything this deal shows they are improving the position, and haven't thrown a ton of resource at it.
I am not a Darnold fan...  
Johnny5 : 4/5/2021 4:58 pm : link
... but he is better than what he showed with the Jets. Adam Gase is a disaster. That franchise is TERRIBLE right now.

I don't think he becomes a world beater by any means but I think he will show he can at least win some games in Carolina.
I'm with averagejoe  
cosmicj : 4/5/2021 5:02 pm : link
I think Darnold can't play in the NFL, the Panthers just got fleeced, and if I'm Rhule, there's no way I'm putting all my eggs in the Darnold basket. I actually thinks this puts Trey Lance, who needs time on the bench, in play for Carolina.

They can start Darnold, see what they have, and if he flops, move on to their #1 pick.
Not a bad haul for the Jets...  
bw in dc : 4/5/2021 5:04 pm : link
considering Darnold was seeing "ghosts" a year ago.

Look, the guy needs a change of scenery. So maybe Rhule can rehabilitate him.

Unless the Jets get that OL fixed, I wonder if Fields isn't a better fit for them than Wilson...A bigger, stronger, faster athlete with a very good arm as well.
RE: I'm with averagejoe  
Producer : 4/5/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15210307 cosmicj said:
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I think Darnold can't play in the NFL, the Panthers just got fleeced, and if I'm Rhule, there's no way I'm putting all my eggs in the Darnold basket. I actually thinks this puts Trey Lance, who needs time on the bench, in play for Carolina.

They can start Darnold, see what they have, and if he flops, move on to their #1 pick.


Exactly. Lance would be a great pick for them, but he's going number 3 to San Fran.
I  
AcidTest : 4/5/2021 5:05 pm : link
doubt Carolina takes a QB, especially since they just exercised the fifth year option on Darnold. Darnold could stink, but the Jets were terrible, so this is a good gamble by Carolina for a relatively low cost.

But I still think all five QBs go before #11. That will push a player down to us, most likely one of Waddle or Smith. But it reduces the chance of a trade down, since I don't think anyone will trade up for a non-QB.
Still a good chance Carolina takes a QB imv  
Jimmy Googs : 4/5/2021 5:07 pm : link
This just gives them options if the draft doesn’t fall how they want...
For the Cosell enthusiasts here...  
Producer : 4/5/2021 5:12 pm : link
He did a great quick podcast analysis of Darnold early in the season. It was very instructive.

In it he mentions that Darnold makes occasional plays that make you go wow, that was great. But then he makes just as many mistakes that are so fundamental even high school QBs have mastered them, and it makes you wonder why Darnold hasn't mastered them yet, and if he ever will. Because if he can't master these things, he can't be a successful NFL starter.

In the same podcast he insists that pro QB analysts can judge a QB regardless of his context, because they are looking at concise, repeatable actions and moments. Which is why the mantra on here that we can't judge Jones based on what has already happened is bunk. But that's another story.

If anyone has an interest in this Cosell podcast appearance I can find it pretty easily and link it here.
and one more thing about the Cosell comments  
Producer : 4/5/2021 5:14 pm : link
you should think everyone in the league knows Darnold has this problem, so I think it is unlikely Carolina is settled on Darnold as an answer. They know he has this flaw and it is too risky not to consider other options.

It's ok to have 2 QBs.
RE: I  
bw in dc : 4/5/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15210314 AcidTest said:
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doubt Carolina takes a QB, especially since they just exercised the fifth year option on Darnold. Darnold could stink, but the Jets were terrible, so this is a good gamble by Carolina for a relatively low cost.



I agree. My bet is they try to upgrade the parts around Darnold to give him the best chance to succeed.

Because that would be a tough sell to the fan base - assuming Tepper cares about that - drafting a QB after giving up pretty good draft capital to obtain Darnold.

Like us with Jones and Barkley, Darnold is going to need a healthy CMac.
Not great  
OC2.0 : 4/5/2021 5:18 pm : link
But a decent haul for somebody that was out of picture anyway.
Better for our trade down chances. 1 less team in top 10 looking for a QB.
1 maybe drops to us & NE & Chi look to jump up.
Btw, I don’t think Atl takes a QB just yet. 1 can hope.
Panthers Possibilities at No. 8 in my Opinion Now, in Order  
Simms2McConkey : 4/5/2021 5:21 pm : link
1. OT (Sewell or Slater)
2. Trade Down (NE or WFT)
3. Defense (my guess: cornerback)
4. QB (don't think it happens, though, after trading 3 picks and presumably picking up that 18 mil option for Darnold for 2022)

I think the Panthers ultimately go Slater or trade down to a team looking for QB and the top 11 shakes out like this.

1. JAX: Lawrence
2. NYJ: Wilson
3. SF: QB3 TBD
4. ATL/DEN: QB4 TBD (I think a Falcons/Broncos trade is a real possibility, obviously not alone in that assessment).
5. CIN: Sewell or Chase
6. MIA: Chase or Pitts...maybe Sewell but that's option 3
7. DET: Whoever is left from Sewell, Chase, Pitts
8. CAR: Slater or trade down to team for QB5.
9. DEN/ATL: Defense
10. DAL: Defense
11. NYG: Thinking Smith based on previous asshat info on BBI.

Just spitballing for fun, who the hell knows.
RE: Carolina..  
M.S. : 4/5/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15210263 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.

Didn't follow Bridgewater at all in Carolina, but his stats were not too shabby -- 69.1% completion for 3,733 yards. 15 TDs and 11 INTs. 92.1 QB Rating. We've seen worse in NY.
RE: Still a good chance Carolina takes a QB imv  
Jim in Tampa : 4/5/2021 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15210319 Jimmy Googs said:
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This just gives them options if the draft doesn’t fall how they want...

Who would have thought that the one time you and FMiC agree on something, you'd both be wrong ;>)

I highly doubt that Carolina gave up a 2, 4 and a 6 for a young QB without committing to picking up Darnold's $18M option.

And if they're making that kind of commitment, why would they draft a QB in RD-1?
One of Pitts, Waddle or Smith will be there for GMEN  
Chris684 : 4/5/2021 5:38 pm : link
if they want the pass catcher.

The thing is, and not sure if this is a "problem" or not, but odds are that it will be Waddle sitting there.

So I've been thinking, is Waddle a receiving threat they'd be happy to have over edge or trading back? Not sure.
Good move for both sides  
adamg : 4/5/2021 5:41 pm : link
CAR gets a trial on the highest upside reclamation QB in football.

Jets get to rebuild around Wilson who I like more than Darnold coming out.

Should be exciting for both teams. Jets are loaded qith picks. Theyll have aome fun drafts the next two years.
RE: Surprised no one posted this yet  
rnargi : 4/5/2021 5:50 pm : link
In comment 15210293 BigBlue89 said:
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Priceless!
RE: One of Pitts, Waddle or Smith will be there for GMEN  
UConn4523 : 4/5/2021 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15210349 Chris684 said:
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if they want the pass catcher.

The thing is, and not sure if this is a "problem" or not, but odds are that it will be Waddle sitting there.

So I've been thinking, is Waddle a receiving threat they'd be happy to have over edge or trading back? Not sure.


I agree and my concerns with Waddle, which may be irrational in part, is my own worst case scenario. If we do end up picking him I’m just going to have to suck it up and hope the lower leg injuries don’t hit him.
This is a great trade  
allstarjim : 4/5/2021 5:53 pm : link
For both teams. It's bad for Detroit who reportedly wants to trade down from 7, as now teams won't likely feel they need to get ahead of the Panthers at 8 to get whichever QB the Niners pass on. Perhaps Denver could go QB at 9 but I think they give Lock another year, and they still have Rypien and Driskel to evaluate as well.
Jets have a lot of picks to build around Wilson  
Go Terps : 4/5/2021 5:55 pm : link
They're potentially in a good spot.
RE: Panthers may go with Sewell at OT with  
allstarjim : 4/5/2021 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15210258 GFAN52 said:
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their #8 pick to protect Darnold.


Sewell isn't getting past the Bengals.
RE: For a sixth round pick this year  
snumber6 : 4/5/2021 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15210155 JoeyBigBlue said:
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And a 2nd and 4th round pick this year. Not a bad haul for a guy the Jets didn’t want.


Definitely not odd ... seems rather even handed ...
So the question now is who goes at 3?  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 6:05 pm : link
Chris Simms said it’s definitely Mac Jones. But I think Fields and Lance fit more in Shanahan’s offense.
RE: Jets have a lot of picks to build around Wilson  
bw in dc : 4/5/2021 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15210376 Go Terps said:
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They're potentially in a good spot.


If the Jets can get a second for Darnold makes me wonder what we could get for Jones.
bw  
Go Terps : 4/5/2021 6:15 pm : link
No idea. Gotta want to trade him first. If he has the kind of season in 2021 where the Giants want to trade him, it's going to be less than what they could get today.
I'm pretty sure the Jets  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/5/2021 6:16 pm : link
wish they weren't feeling the need to trade Darnold for a future second.
RE: RE: Carolina..  
FranknWeezer : 4/5/2021 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15210335 M.S. said:
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.


Didn't follow Bridgewater at all in Carolina, but his stats were not too shabby -- 69.1% completion for 3,733 yards. 15 TDs and 11 INTs. 92.1 QB Rating. We've seen worse in NY.


Will be really interesting to see where Bridgewater lands. NFL.com article I read seemed to indicate Carolina will trade him rather than keep him around to backup Darnold.

Seems like Teddy could be redundant in Chicago (Dalton) and NE (Cam). Staying in the NFCS may be the thing for him. Maybe ATL as a "bridge" between Ryan and a TBD young qb? Back to NO to jump into the fray with Taysom and Jameis? Not much backing up Brady in TB, so how about there.

Other than that, to PIT in case Ben breaks down?
Houston  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/5/2021 6:19 pm : link
might need a QB...
RE: RE: Panthers may go with Sewell at OT with  
GFAN52 : 4/5/2021 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15210382 allstarjim said:
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their #8 pick to protect Darnold.



Sewell isn't getting past the Bengals.


If not, then Slater is there if they go OL. If they don't go OL then getting a good receiver is another good possibility for Rhule to draft.
and thus  
BigBlueCane : 4/5/2021 6:34 pm : link
the thread's original intent is lost b/c we must beat the ground wit this dead horse more.
RE: Jets have a lot of picks to build around Wilson  
PwndPapi : 4/5/2021 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15210376 Go Terps said:
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They're potentially in a good spot.


Every team positioned to take a new QB at the top of the draft is "potentially in a good spot".
RE: and thus  
Go Terps : 4/5/2021 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15210421 BigBlueCane said:
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the thread's original intent is lost b/c we must beat the ground wit this dead horse more.


Calm down. I'm not saying anything else.

So sensitive.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 4/5/2021 6:38 pm : link
Darnold looks terrible to me. I wouldn't have given more a than a third or fourth for him if I were the Panthers.
so repetitive  
BigBlueCane : 4/5/2021 6:40 pm : link
GT.
Interesting  
Mark from Jersey : 4/5/2021 6:54 pm : link
not totally unexpected, at least the Darnold getting traded part.

Makes me wonder how much we would get for Jones if we decide to move on...probably not much more that what the Jets got, maybe less.
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