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Sam Darnold traded

JoeyBigBlue : 4/5/2021 3:58 pm
To the Panthers according to Schefter
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Chase is going to Cinn.  
Carl in CT : 4/5/2021 7:02 pm : link
Book it.
RE: and thus  
Jimmy Googs : 4/5/2021 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15210421 BigBlueCane said:
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the thread's original intent is lost b/c we must beat the ground wit this dead horse more.


Yes, it’s so lost. Good lord, can you be any more dramatic.

Post something of interest and get it back on track then. If you can post something of interest...
RE: Surprised no one posted this yet  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/5/2021 7:13 pm : link
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& I believe the Jets Twitter reposted that or whatever. What a loser organization. I hope Darnold succeeds in Carolina; he seems like a good dude from all I've seen of him & would love for him to stick it to the Jets if he has some success.
RE: One of Pitts, Waddle or Smith will be there for GMEN  
Milton : 4/5/2021 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15210349 Chris684 said:
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if they want the pass catcher.

The thing is, and not sure if this is a "problem" or not, but odds are that it will be Waddle sitting there.

So I've been thinking, is Waddle a receiving threat they'd be happy to have over edge or trading back? Not sure.
In some ways, Waddle is the ideal complement to Golladay. His injury history is what concerns me, not his value on the field.

Of the three passcatchers you mention (and I wish I could be as confident as you that one will be available), Pitts is the surest thing (with both the highest upside and highest floor), but the poorest fit in terms of complementing the other pieces on the 2021 roster.
RE: RE: One of Pitts, Waddle or Smith will be there for GMEN  
Chris684 : 4/5/2021 7:45 pm : link
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if they want the pass catcher.

The thing is, and not sure if this is a "problem" or not, but odds are that it will be Waddle sitting there.

So I've been thinking, is Waddle a receiving threat they'd be happy to have over edge or trading back? Not sure.

In some ways, Waddle is the ideal complement to Golladay. His injury history is what concerns me, not his value on the field.

Of the three passcatchers you mention (and I wish I could be as confident as you that one will be available), Pitts is the surest thing (with both the highest upside and highest floor), but the poorest fit in terms of complementing the other pieces on the 2021 roster.


Pretty sure the math on one of them being there is solid. Is it possible one is not? Sure.

I see it as 5 QBs + Sewell + Chase + Surtain

Only 4 QBs may go, but there's also the chance another corner and/or Parsons goes top 10.
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bw in dc : 4/5/2021 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15210397 Go Terps said:
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No idea. Gotta want to trade him first. If he has the kind of season in 2021 where the Giants want to trade him, it's going to be less than what they could get today.


I can't believe I'm writing this, but if the Jets can land a two for Darnold (plus the four and six) we might be able to get a one for Jones.

I know it's purely academic, but I would take a first rounder in a second for Jones.
Why trade Jones now?  
Sean : 4/5/2021 8:05 pm : link
Unless there is a conviction that any of Lance, Fields or Mac Jones is significantly better than Jones, I just don’t see the point making that move now.

Lance is likely going at 3 & Fields likely will be gone.
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Chris684 : 4/5/2021 8:09 pm : link
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No idea. Gotta want to trade him first. If he has the kind of season in 2021 where the Giants want to trade him, it's going to be less than what they could get today.



I can't believe I'm writing this, but if the Jets can land a two for Darnold (plus the four and six) we might be able to get a one for Jones.

I know it's purely academic, but I would take a first rounder in a second for Jones.


It's purely stupid.

Jones hasn't shown enough to be considered a sure thing franchise QB.

But unless you're looking through the a biased/pessimistic lens, which we know you and others are, he's shown enough to deserve another opportunity. He seems to have all the intangibles and his teammates and coaches love him. He needs improvement but can we stop pretending he brings nothing to the table?
RE: RE: RE: One of Pitts, Waddle or Smith will be there for GMEN  
stoneman : 4/5/2021 8:21 pm : link
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if they want the pass catcher.

The thing is, and not sure if this is a "problem" or not, but odds are that it will be Waddle sitting there.

So I've been thinking, is Waddle a receiving threat they'd be happy to have over edge or trading back? Not sure.

In some ways, Waddle is the ideal complement to Golladay. His injury history is what concerns me, not his value on the field.

Of the three passcatchers you mention (and I wish I could be as confident as you that one will be available), Pitts is the surest thing (with both the highest upside and highest floor), but the poorest fit in terms of complementing the other pieces on the 2021 roster.



Pretty sure the math on one of them being there is solid. Is it possible one is not? Sure.

I see it as 5 QBs + Sewell + Chase + Surtain

Only 4 QBs may go, but there's also the chance another corner and/or Parsons goes top 10.


Even if only 4 QBs go, you add Pitts to the definites and you are left with Smith and Waddle at 8.

4 QBs, + Sewell + Chase + Surtain + Pitts.

Dal is definitely not going WR, so that still leaves Smith/Waddle for the Giants at 11. It all depends on if Surtain is really top 10, before Dal. Not so sure about that.
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bw in dc : 4/5/2021 8:29 pm : link
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No idea. Gotta want to trade him first. If he has the kind of season in 2021 where the Giants want to trade him, it's going to be less than what they could get today.



I can't believe I'm writing this, but if the Jets can land a two for Darnold (plus the four and six) we might be able to get a one for Jones.

I know it's purely academic, but I would take a first rounder in a second for Jones.



It's purely stupid.

Jones hasn't shown enough to be considered a sure thing franchise QB.

But unless you're looking through the a biased/pessimistic lens, which we know you and others are, he's shown enough to deserve another opportunity. He seems to have all the intangibles and his teammates and coaches love him. He needs improvement but can we stop pretending he brings nothing to the table?


It didn't cross your mind for a minute or two that if the Jets could fetch a second for Darnold what we could get for Jones?

I'm not suggesting Jones doesn't bring anything to the table - I've said he has an appealing deep and he has the ability to get on the edge on designed runs for real positive yardage - but the bigger question that needs to be answered is does Jones bring enough to the table. Which is basically the design of this year with all of the upgrades on offense.
RE: Why trade Jones now?  
bw in dc : 4/5/2021 8:31 pm : link
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Unless there is a conviction that any of Lance, Fields or Mac Jones is significantly better than Jones, I just don’t see the point making that move now.

Lance is likely going at 3 & Fields likely will be gone.


It's just a passing thought since the Jets got much more than I thought for Darnold. I would have guess, at best, a third for Darnold. To get a package of a two, four and six is pretty damn good...
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Chris684 : 4/5/2021 8:47 pm : link
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No idea. Gotta want to trade him first. If he has the kind of season in 2021 where the Giants want to trade him, it's going to be less than what they could get today.



I can't believe I'm writing this, but if the Jets can land a two for Darnold (plus the four and six) we might be able to get a one for Jones.

I know it's purely academic, but I would take a first rounder in a second for Jones.



It's purely stupid.

Jones hasn't shown enough to be considered a sure thing franchise QB.

But unless you're looking through the a biased/pessimistic lens, which we know you and others are, he's shown enough to deserve another opportunity. He seems to have all the intangibles and his teammates and coaches love him. He needs improvement but can we stop pretending he brings nothing to the table?



It didn't cross your mind for a minute or two that if the Jets could fetch a second for Darnold what we could get for Jones?

I'm not suggesting Jones doesn't bring anything to the table - I've said he has an appealing deep and he has the ability to get on the edge on designed runs for real positive yardage - but the bigger question that needs to be answered is does Jones bring enough to the table. Which is basically the design of this year with all of the upgrades on offense.


Honestly? No.

Today the only thought that crossed my mind on Jones was how great I thought it was to hear that he’s organizing throwing sessions with his teammates out in Arizona and that he has a real sense of leadership and maturity to be heading into only his 3rd season.
RE: RE: Why trade Jones now?  
CT Charlie : 4/5/2021 9:08 pm : link
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Unless there is a conviction that any of Lance, Fields or Mac Jones is significantly better than Jones, I just don’t see the point making that move now.

Lance is likely going at 3 & Fields likely will be gone.



It's just a passing thought since the Jets got much more than I thought for Darnold. I would have guess, at best, a third for Darnold. To get a package of a two, four and six is pretty damn good...


What's the point of getting a package of 2, 4, 6 if you aren't confident you'll get a QB better than Jones? We still don't have a good idea of Jones's ceiling or floor.
Dont know the source  
NewBlue : 4/5/2021 9:35 pm : link
But some criticism of Wilson here.....
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RE: Dont know the source  
Producer : 4/5/2021 9:42 pm : link
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But some criticism of Wilson here..... Link - ( New Window )


yea.. I have been wondering if the Jets take a long look at Lance.
RE: I'm with averagejoe  
GFAN52 : 4/5/2021 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15210307 cosmicj said:
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I think Darnold can't play in the NFL, the Panthers just got fleeced, and if I'm Rhule, there's no way I'm putting all my eggs in the Darnold basket. I actually thinks this puts Trey Lance, who needs time on the bench, in play for Carolina.

They can start Darnold, see what they have, and if he flops, move on to their #1 pick.


I seriously doubt it. Rhule isn't trading away all those picks for a backup QB, then invest another 1st rd pick in a QB.
I thought some of you were knowledgeable  
Carl in CT : 4/5/2021 9:51 pm : link
Other than QB#1 Jones is better then the other 4. Let the kid have a training camp with a little help and you will see.
You're welcome Jets  
jhibb : 4/5/2021 10:47 pm : link
RE: Dont know the source  
PatersonPlank : 4/5/2021 10:54 pm : link
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I think it was Brady Quinn on SiriusXM NFL station that was saying the same thing.
Not for nothing  
ryanmkeane : 4/5/2021 10:59 pm : link
but everyone (including Brady Quinn) thought Sam Darnold was the closest thing to Andrew Luck.

Just because Brady Quinn and some other folks don’t think Wilson is the goods doesn’t mean much to me.
Zach Wilson's junior year was really, really good  
Go Terps : 4/5/2021 11:03 pm : link
33/3, 12.6 AY/A.

Maybe the guy really sucks, but his last year in college loudly says otherwise.
Again  
NewBlue : 4/5/2021 11:15 pm : link
I don't know the source but his comments and review is a hell of an indictment, for someone to be taken this high
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RE: RE: RE: Why trade Jones now?  
bw in dc : 4/5/2021 11:44 pm : link
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It's just a passing thought since the Jets got much more than I thought for Darnold. I would have guess, at best, a third for Darnold. To get a package of a two, four and six is pretty damn good...



What's the point of getting a package of 2, 4, 6 if you aren't confident you'll get a QB better than Jones? We still don't have a good idea of Jones's ceiling or floor.


I'm suggesting we could likely get a first for Jones after the Jets got a second for Darnold.

So I'm just spit-balling here so give me some rope, but if we could get a first rounder for Jones - say the Bears gave us their 20th pick - we could have some nice draft capital to package the 11th and 20th to move up to nab one of these talented guys this year.

Because I think the big four in this draft - Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, and Lance - are much more talented than Jones.

Obviously the Giants aren't going to give up on Jones. But there are interesting reasons to say they should cut bait, and draft a more talented QB.

interesting  
BigBlueCane : 4/6/2021 4:47 am : link
and irrelevant since they're not going to.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Why trade Jones now?  
HMunster : 4/6/2021 8:02 am : link
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Obviously the Giants aren't going to give up on Jones. But there are interesting reasons to say they should cut bait, and draft a more talented QB.

I'm thinking..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/6/2021 8:20 am : link
that bw spitballs so much that he has chronic cotton mouth.
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Big Blue '56 : 4/6/2021 8:24 am : link
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that bw spitballs so much that he has chronic cotton mouth.


More like shit-balling? Asking for a friend...:)
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Victor in CT : 4/6/2021 8:53 am : link
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that bw spitballs so much that he has chronic cotton mouth.



More like shit-balling? Asking for a friend...:)


Gotta love the logic too. Giants reached for Jones who sucks, but we can get a first rounder this year in order to reach for another. NURSE!
RE: So the question now is who goes at 3?  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/6/2021 9:23 am : link
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Chris Simms said it’s definitely Mac Jones. But I think Fields and Lance fit more in Shanahan’s offense.


Simms thinks it will be Mac Jones based on the kind of QB Shanahan has liked and worked with in the past. He never said it was definite.
If the Niners..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/6/2021 9:24 am : link
really wanted Mac Jones, there would be no need for them to trade up to #3.
RE: If the Niners..  
Producer : 4/6/2021 9:26 am : link
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really wanted Mac Jones, there would be no need for them to trade up to #3.


I agree. I think it's going to be Lance.
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Jimmy Googs : 4/6/2021 9:28 am : link
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that bw spitballs so much that he has chronic cotton mouth.



More like shit-balling? Asking for a friend...:)



Gotta love the logic too. Giants reached for Jones who sucks, but we can get a first rounder this year in order to reach for another. NURSE!


A first rounder on Jones would be pretty nice. How early of a pick do you think before the Giants should consider it?
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Victor in CT : 4/6/2021 9:40 am : link
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that bw spitballs so much that he has chronic cotton mouth.



More like shit-balling? Asking for a friend...:)



Gotta love the logic too. Giants reached for Jones who sucks, but we can get a first rounder this year in order to reach for another. NURSE!



A first rounder on Jones would be pretty nice. How early of a pick do you think before the Giants should consider it?


Huh?
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Chris684 : 4/6/2021 9:40 am : link
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really wanted Mac Jones, there would be no need for them to trade up to #3.



I agree. I think it's going to be Lance.


I think Fields.
How early does the pick need to be in Rd 1 before you would consider  
Jimmy Googs : 4/6/2021 9:43 am : link
dealing Jones per the above post? Or does any pick in Rd 1 work?
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FranknWeezer : 4/6/2021 9:46 am : link
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has been really down on Teddy. They could still draft a QB and have him sit behind Darnold for a season. Perhaps Fields.


Didn't follow Bridgewater at all in Carolina, but his stats were not too shabby -- 69.1% completion for 3,733 yards. 15 TDs and 11 INTs. 92.1 QB Rating. We've seen worse in NY.



Will be really interesting to see where Bridgewater lands. NFL.com article I read seemed to indicate Carolina will trade him rather than keep him around to backup Darnold.

Seems like Teddy could be redundant in Chicago (Dalton) and NE (Cam). Staying in the NFCS may be the thing for him. Maybe ATL as a "bridge" between Ryan and a TBD young qb? Back to NO to jump into the fray with Taysom and Jameis? Not much backing up Brady in TB, so how about there.

Other than that, to PIT in case Ben breaks down?


Another Bridgewater option may be Denver.
RE: How early does the pick need to be in Rd 1 before you would consider  
Victor in CT : 4/6/2021 9:51 am : link
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dealing Jones per the above post? Or does any pick in Rd 1 work?


I'm not suggesting it. I was referring to people here continually bashing Jones and now suggesting they could get a #1 for him.
RE: RE: How early does the pick need to be in Rd 1 before you would consider  
Jimmy Googs : 4/6/2021 9:54 am : link
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dealing Jones per the above post? Or does any pick in Rd 1 work?



I'm not suggesting it. I was referring to people here continually bashing Jones and now suggesting they could get a #1 for him.


Not saying you did, but you were commenting on that concept.

So was asking what you thought about him in relation to a first round pick?
After thinking about this I think the Jets are a disaster  
PatersonPlank : 4/6/2021 10:11 am : link
I don't get the line of thought that this was a good deal. Maybe in terms of just how much Darnold sucks "at this point in time" it is. However they traded up to then spend the 3rd pick in Rd 1 on this guy just 3 years ago. Now they walk away with a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, plus they have to "reboot" the whole QB "use the #3 pick thing" all again. In a sense they wasted 3 years for what, a 2nd rd pick next year?

No wonder Jets fans are irate.
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Producer : 4/6/2021 10:15 am : link
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I don't get the line of thought that this was a good deal. Maybe in terms of just how much Darnold sucks "at this point in time" it is. However they traded up to then spend the 3rd pick in Rd 1 on this guy just 3 years ago. Now they walk away with a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, plus they have to "reboot" the whole QB "use the #3 pick thing" all again. In a sense they wasted 3 years for what, a 2nd rd pick next year?

No wonder Jets fans are irate.


It's not good, but if they find a stud QB this draft, none of it will matter.
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bw in dc : 4/6/2021 10:17 am : link
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dealing Jones per the above post? Or does any pick in Rd 1 work?



I'm not suggesting it. I was referring to people here continually bashing Jones and now suggesting they could get a #1 for him.


Let me try to slow this down for you.

I'm not saying I would give up a first for Jones. But the market just might because a team gave up a 2,4 and 6 for Ghost Darnold. So why would it be such a leap to think we could possibly - amazingly - get a first for Jones?

I hope that helps add color to your world.

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dealing Jones per the above post? Or does any pick in Rd 1 work?



I'm not suggesting it. I was referring to people here continually bashing Jones and now suggesting they could get a #1 for him.



Let me try to slow this down for you.

I'm not saying I would give up a first for Jones. But the market just might because a team gave up a 2,4 and 6 for Ghost Darnold. So why would it be such a leap to think we could possibly - amazingly - get a first for Jones?

I hope that helps add color to your world.


I don't think we can get a first for Jones.
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Dave in Hoboken : 4/6/2021 10:21 am : link
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dealing Jones per the above post? Or does any pick in Rd 1 work?



I'm not suggesting it. I was referring to people here continually bashing Jones and now suggesting they could get a #1 for him.



Let me try to slow this down for you.

I'm not saying I would give up a first for Jones. But the market just might because a team gave up a 2,4 and 6 for Ghost Darnold. So why would it be such a leap to think we could possibly - amazingly - get a first for Jones?

I hope that helps add color to your world.




I don't think we can get a first for Jones.


Who asked?
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bw in dc : 4/6/2021 10:23 am : link
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I don't think we can get a first for Jones.


Before the Darnold trade yesterday, I would agree 100%. Today? I think it's 50/50.
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I don't think we can get a first for Jones.



Before the Darnold trade yesterday, I would agree 100%. Today? I think it's 50/50.


Nah.. maybe the same deal as Darnold. A 2nd plus..
RE: After thinking about this I think the Jets are a disaster  
JayBinQueens : 4/6/2021 10:28 am : link
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I don't get the line of thought that this was a good deal. Maybe in terms of just how much Darnold sucks "at this point in time" it is. However they traded up to then spend the 3rd pick in Rd 1 on this guy just 3 years ago. Now they walk away with a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, plus they have to "reboot" the whole QB "use the #3 pick thing" all again. In a sense they wasted 3 years for what, a 2nd rd pick next year?

No wonder Jets fans are irate.


Are Jet fans irate? friends have seemed to like the trade.

They take a QB at 2.. You then have another 1st, a 2nd and 2 3rds this year and then 2 firsts and 2 seconds next year. Not a bad amount of quality picks to build around him
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dealing Jones per the above post? Or does any pick in Rd 1 work?



I'm not suggesting it. I was referring to people here continually bashing Jones and now suggesting they could get a #1 for him.



Let me try to slow this down for you.

I'm not saying I would give up a first for Jones. But the market just might because a team gave up a 2,4 and 6 for Ghost Darnold. So why would it be such a leap to think we could possibly - amazingly - get a first for Jones?

I hope that helps add color to your world.




I don't think we can get a first for Jones.

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Who asked?


I did...why?
RE: RE: After thinking about this I think the Jets are a disaster  
Producer : 4/6/2021 10:33 am : link
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I don't get the line of thought that this was a good deal. Maybe in terms of just how much Darnold sucks "at this point in time" it is. However they traded up to then spend the 3rd pick in Rd 1 on this guy just 3 years ago. Now they walk away with a 2nd, 4th, and 6th, plus they have to "reboot" the whole QB "use the #3 pick thing" all again. In a sense they wasted 3 years for what, a 2nd rd pick next year?

No wonder Jets fans are irate.



Are Jet fans irate? friends have seemed to like the trade.

They take a QB at 2.. You then have another 1st, a 2nd and 2 3rds this year and then 2 firsts and 2 seconds next year. Not a bad amount of quality picks to build around him


seriously. some Giants fans on here fantasize that Jets fans are in a constant state of hellish agony. I think they have reason for optimism. I used to root actively against the Jets. Now I am just indifferent.
RE: For the Cosell enthusiasts here...  
djm : 4/6/2021 10:44 am : link
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He did a great quick podcast analysis of Darnold early in the season. It was very instructive.

In it he mentions that Darnold makes occasional plays that make you go wow, that was great. But then he makes just as many mistakes that are so fundamental even high school QBs have mastered them, and it makes you wonder why Darnold hasn't mastered them yet, and if he ever will. Because if he can't master these things, he can't be a successful NFL starter.

In the same podcast he insists that pro QB analysts can judge a QB regardless of his context, because they are looking at concise, repeatable actions and moments. Which is why the mantra on here that we can't judge Jones based on what has already happened is bunk. But that's another story.

If anyone has an interest in this Cosell podcast appearance I can find it pretty easily and link it here.


Bunk? Bullshit. Jones was displaying bad decision making and he was indecisive, he was holding the ball too long through the first 7-8 games of 2020. And then he played much better through the final 8 games. As usual, this is ignored by you and a few others around here.

Again, no one doubts that Jones was struggling first half of 2020. Shit even Judge alluded to this.
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Producer : 4/6/2021 10:47 am : link
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He did a great quick podcast analysis of Darnold early in the season. It was very instructive.

In it he mentions that Darnold makes occasional plays that make you go wow, that was great. But then he makes just as many mistakes that are so fundamental even high school QBs have mastered them, and it makes you wonder why Darnold hasn't mastered them yet, and if he ever will. Because if he can't master these things, he can't be a successful NFL starter.

In the same podcast he insists that pro QB analysts can judge a QB regardless of his context, because they are looking at concise, repeatable actions and moments. Which is why the mantra on here that we can't judge Jones based on what has already happened is bunk. But that's another story.

If anyone has an interest in this Cosell podcast appearance I can find it pretty easily and link it here.



Bunk? Bullshit. Jones was displaying bad decision making and he was indecisive, he was holding the ball too long through the first 7-8 games of 2020. And then he played much better through the final 8 games. As usual, this is ignored by you and a few others around here.

Again, no one doubts that Jones was struggling first half of 2020. Shit even Judge alluded to this.


Yea they reigned him in and instead of turning the ball over, an improvement, he couldn't move the offense, a set back. I don't think by the end of the year Jones looked very good at all. His game resembled Brock Osweiler's.
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