Eli to me is a sure fire hall of famer. While Eli never dominated the headlines or was top 3 in a year the cumulative stats are good enough on their own and the 2 rings push him way over the top.
Was wondering about who you would consider to be a near hall of famer miss QB who would have been pushed over the top with a super bowl ring?
I couldn’t think of any that struck me, which leads me to believe that Super Bowl rings are not viewed as heavily given the team nature of the game.
Thoughts?
Same.
As for the OP's question - Rivers and Boomer Easiason.
He's only got a year or two left so I'm not counting on it.
just my view is there are three facets to a players consideration and you can get in without any one of them but the other two have to be overwhelming (like Marino)
1. Stats. No two ways about it, you have to be statistically successful. This is of course open to interpretation, but it's a must.
2. Accolades. You have to get things like MVPs, pro-bowls, all-pro's, player of the year, week, month, etc.
3. Titles. It's a team sport, so this one is the hardest to use when awarding an individual, but the best individuals can have the most impact here.
#1 can be achieved with longevity, which is why #1 alone doesn't get you in, but also #3 alone wouldn't get you in either - (see guys like Plunkett, Dilfer, probably Flacco, etc.)
Anyway, just my thoughts on halls of fame (for all sports).
I wouldn't say that it shouldn't have anything to do with getting into the HOF, but I don't think it should be that big of a factor.
I do find it funny though how many Giants' fans treat this topic in regards to Eli and Rivers.
They use winning Super Bowls as the main reason that Eli should get in and Rivers shouldn't. But when Eli played poorly late in his career, many of these same fans point out that football is a TEAM game and QBs can't do it alone.
So which is it?
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Otherwise Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer should be in the hall.
I wouldn't say that it shouldn't have anything to do with getting into the HOF, but I don't think it should be that big of a factor.
I do find it funny though how many Giants' fans treat this topic in regards to Eli and Rivers.
They use winning Super Bowls as the main reason that Eli should get in and Rivers shouldn't. But when Eli played poorly late in his career, many of these same fans point out that football is a TEAM game and QBs can't do it alone.
So which is it?
Both should get in.
Eli's two SB's wins and MVPs are enough to account for the fact he was never the best QB in his era, and Rivers stats and accolades are enough to account for him not winning a ring.
Rivers is top 5 in yards and TD's when he retired and an 8 time pro-bowler. He's a HOF lock.
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Otherwise Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer should be in the hall.
I wouldn't say that it shouldn't have anything to do with getting into the HOF, but I don't think it should be that big of a factor.
I do find it funny though how many Giants' fans treat this topic in regards to Eli and Rivers.
They use winning Super Bowls as the main reason that Eli should get in and Rivers shouldn't. But when Eli played poorly late in his career, many of these same fans point out that football is a TEAM game and QBs can't do it alone.
So which is it?
Both should get in.
Eli's two SB's wins and MVPs are enough to account for the fact he was never the best QB in his era, and Rivers stats and accolades are enough to account for him not winning a ring.
Rivers is top 5 in yards and TD's when he retired and an 8 time pro-bowler. He's a HOF lock.
Eli was also pretty up there stat-wise; he’s number 8 in most yards and 9 in most touchdowns; both were 7th all time when he retired..
Well, technically Bledsoe has a ring, but as a back up.
Matt Ryan
Tony Romo
There are differences in being a game manager that wins a super bowl (ex. Trent Dilfer and Peyton Manning for Denver) and one that pushes the team over the top to win.
Think Eli’s two wins (particularly the 2011 one) fall into the latter category
I think I've read before that Kurt Warner aged a ridiculously low number of games in the rain, it may have even been 0 games. i mean that's just a huge advantage for someone.
He's only got a year or two left so I'm not counting on it.
A good example of why stats are meaningless. One of the most over rated Qbs in NFL a history. A great example of what not to look at.
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probably ends up top 10 in every stat, he'll pass Eli in both yards and TD's next year and a ring (and SB MVP) at least gets him in the conversation.
He's only got a year or two left so I'm not counting on it.
A good example of why stats are meaningless. One of the most over rated Qbs in NFL a history. A great example of what not to look at.
He should have a ring. His OC choked.
He's already there without a ring. I think the OP meant players who didn't make it (yet)
I think I've read before that Kurt Warner aged a ridiculously low number of games in the rain, it may have even been 0 games. i mean that's just a huge advantage for someone.
Not just the rain, the snow as well. I remember a game in ‘08 where he played against the Patriots in 30-degree weather in the snow and he was awful.
A ring and superbowl MVP should have some bearing. Stats are not always a true factor. Phillip Rivers most of the time had loaded teams which were picked by the "experts" to win the super bowl. His stats included a lot of garbage yardage and he failed again and again to win the big games.
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Otherwise Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer should be in the hall.
I wouldn't say that it shouldn't have anything to do with getting into the HOF, but I don't think it should be that big of a factor.
I do find it funny though how many Giants' fans treat this topic in regards to Eli and Rivers.
They use winning Super Bowls as the main reason that Eli should get in and Rivers shouldn't. But when Eli played poorly late in his career, many of these same fans point out that football is a TEAM game and QBs can't do it alone.
So which is it?
Eli didn't play poorly late in his career. Eli was also a SB MVP in both their SB wins. That is not the same as say Payton who otherwise played great only to put in an average SB performance and end up winning anyway.
Also Drew Bledsoe? I don't know maybe. when you have guy's in NY wearing your Jersey even though the Patriots were not yet the a dominating sports franchise -- there is something to be said for that. I remember liking him way back when. But he got cut from like 3 different teams.