Let's see how we fare against a stout Brooklyn team. Up-paced game for Knicks, OR pace-down for Nets? Hoping for the later and our defense slows them down.
Another triple double for Randle and RJ with a great game. IQ didn't show up. 2/3 ain't bad. Next year with Kispert, we'll be able to beat this Nets team.
If they can’t beat Kyrie and a bunch of average to old players, they have a long way to go.
Of course they do, they have 2 legit pieces, Mitch is hurt and a question mark..
They need a point guard for the future..
Bullock is an ok piece but is a role player..
Burks is a good bench sckrer..
Rose is a 20 to 25 minute player a game at this point..
Quickley is starting to struggle, may be hitting a wall..
Noel is starting when he should be playing 15 to 20 minutes a night..
Gibson is a role player who is toeards the end..
I mean this team still needs a lot but they are well coached, play hard and are a top defensive team..if they had any sort of consistent offense they would be a top 4 seed eaaily
We have below average talent that plays extremely hard and it just cannot beat good teams consistently. We do not have a true go to scorer. Randle is good enough to be the #2 on a championship team, Barrett upside could be a #3, but we need a #1 wing or guard that can score a bucket with ease. RJ and and Randle work so hard to get their buckets, nothing is easy. We don’t have a guy in this roster that can do a crossover pull up or pull back jumpshot. The NBA is all about shot creation and outside shooting, we have none of that on our roster except for Quickley a little bit. The nets have 3 guys that can get a bucket with ease whenever they want, you need that in crunch time. Julius Randle is not the answer or go to guy in crunch time on a winning team.
Putting that aside I think we are all frustrated with the close losses, but the reality is the future is bright as much as it will be frustrating over the next 6 weeks as they will more than likely finish under 500 and finish as the 8 or 9 seed. At that point I would rather take the lottery chances then get knocked out 4-0 by the nets.
Last point, Thibs has overalls done a very good job, but he has lost games with poor coaching decisions. Elfrid payment has to be blackmailing him with something major. He deserves 0 minutes on the floor. I will never get it.
We have below average talent that plays extremely hard and it just cannot beat good teams consistently. We do not have a true go to scorer. Randle is good enough to be the #2 on a championship team, Barrett upside could be a #3, but we need a #1 wing or guard that can score a bucket with ease. RJ and and Randle work so hard to get their buckets, nothing is easy. We don’t have a guy in this roster that can do a crossover pull up or pull back jumpshot. The NBA is all about shot creation and outside shooting, we have none of that on our roster except for Quickley a little bit. The nets have 3 guys that can get a bucket with ease whenever they want, you need that in crunch time. Julius Randle is not the answer or go to guy in crunch time on a winning team.
Putting that aside I think we are all frustrated with the close losses, but the reality is the future is bright as much as it will be frustrating over the next 6 weeks as they will more than likely finish under 500 and finish as the 8 or 9 seed. At that point I would rather take the lottery chances then get knocked out 4-0 by the nets.
I agree with this. This team is really missing a guy who can drive and kick to shooters and break down a defense. IQ and Rose are fine, but they aren't really distributors, they're more looking for their own shots.
If we don't make the playoffs, I'm not going to lose any sleep. This team has shown a tremendous amount of growth and if we get one more lotto pick, so be it.
Has he shown flashes? Sure. But the kid is completely out his element when you have him orchestrating a half court offense and he's often a black hole on the offensive end. He might grow into a nice combo guard in a couple of seasons, but by no means is he untouchable. And quite honestly, I think if Thibs were to play him 30min a night and some here are demanding, you're likely to magnify his warts and kill his confidence. He's not ready to start.
Has he shown flashes? Sure. But the kid is completely out his element when you have him orchestrating a half court offense and he's often a black hole on the offensive end. He might grow into a nice combo guard in a couple of seasons, but by no means is he untouchable. And quite honestly, I think if Thibs were to play him 30min a night and some here are demanding, you're likely to magnify his warts and kill his confidence. He's not ready to start.
His FG % is 38% which is pretty damn bad. He needs to be more consistant and that will come with time.
than with anyone else on the team. He is pressing because he gets limited minutes almost irrespective of what he does. I thinkk he is getting inconsistent signals. I don't see the coach developing him. He seems to be regressing as a result.
RE: RE: I don't get the obsession with Quickley here
Has he shown flashes? Sure. But the kid is completely out his element when you have him orchestrating a half court offense and he's often a black hole on the offensive end. He might grow into a nice combo guard in a couple of seasons, but by no means is he untouchable. And quite honestly, I think if Thibs were to play him 30min a night and some here are demanding, you're likely to magnify his warts and kill his confidence. He's not ready to start.
His FG % is 38% which is pretty damn bad. He needs to be more consistant and that will come with time.
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than with anyone else on the team. He is pressing because he gets limited minutes almost irrespective of what he does. I thinkk he is getting inconsistent signals. I don't see the coach developing him. He seems to be regressing as a result.
He is probably hitting the rookie wall, when hebplays well Thibs rolls with him, last noght he was not very good..
The Knicks roster is just not very good. Thibs has gotten the most out of the roster, but there are big upgrades that need to happen to be a good team.
Randle has plateaued a bit. He's still very very good but he can't be the iso answer to Kyrie. He's never gonna be that guy.
Payton played pretty well, IMO (at least for him). His one big fuckup that I saw was when he called off the double team and Irving had no trouble with what was decent defense.
But it was another moment in the game where you could really see how Lonzo would be perfect for the Knicks. Payton is a decent defender but not as good as he thinks he is. Lonzo actually is that good. He's longer and better. That would be exactly where he could help the Knicks. Kyrie is Kyrie, but Lonzo would have made it much more difficult on him. Add in the fact that he's a better shooter and passer than Payton and it's just an easy upgrade for the Knicks in the offseason. I hope they can make it happen. The Knicks still need a guy like Beal or Lavine who can really fill up the basket, but I'm all in on Lonzo at PG.
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than with anyone else on the team. He is pressing because he gets limited minutes almost irrespective of what he does. I thinkk he is getting inconsistent signals. I don't see the coach developing him. He seems to be regressing as a result.
He is probably hitting the rookie wall, when hebplays well Thibs rolls with him, last noght he was not very good..
Or the Knicks fans, like always, overreacted to a player that shoes flashed of potential by treating and proclaiming him a surefire star. I have never seen that before from the Knicks fanbase. He is definitely an intriguing player, but what he will become is really not close to settled.
RE: I think the league has caught up with IQ He needs to adjust a bit.
The Knicks roster is just not very good. Thibs has gotten the most out of the roster, but there are big upgrades that need to happen to be a good team.
Randle has plateaued a bit. He's still very very good but he can't be the iso answer to Kyrie. He's never gonna be that guy.
Payton played pretty well, IMO (at least for him). His one big fuckup that I saw was when he called off the double team and Irving had no trouble with what was decent defense.
But it was another moment in the game where you could really see how Lonzo would be perfect for the Knicks. Payton is a decent defender but not as good as he thinks he is. Lonzo actually is that good. He's longer and better. That would be exactly where he could help the Knicks. Kyrie is Kyrie, but Lonzo would have made it much more difficult on him. Add in the fact that he's a better shooter and passer than Payton and it's just an easy upgrade for the Knicks in the offseason. I hope they can make it happen. The Knicks still need a guy like Beal or Lavine who can really fill up the basket, but I'm all in on Lonzo at PG.
Yeah Randlr is clearly a number 2 guy, he can distribute, rebound and knock down open shots, and on most nights you dont want him to jjst iso..
On Offense he plays likr Draynond with a jumper..
Rj i still dont know, there are times i watch him and i want to pull my hair out, whats left at least, and other times i see a number 2..
Lonzo would be awesome on this team and they need a shooting guard who can create when you need it..
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than with anyone else on the team. He is pressing because he gets limited minutes almost irrespective of what he does. I thinkk he is getting inconsistent signals. I don't see the coach developing him. He seems to be regressing as a result.
He is probably hitting the rookie wall, when hebplays well Thibs rolls with him, last noght he was not very good..
Or the Knicks fans, like always, overreacted to a player that shoes flashed of potential by treating and proclaiming him a surefire star. I have never seen that before from the Knicks fanbase. He is definitely an intriguing player, but what he will become is really not close to settled.
I dont think anyone saw him as a star and most people questioned if he could be the future at point guard..
IQ has tons of value right now in the league. Even his peers have said so. The kid can shoot. Now if he isn’t part of the future, don’t burry him on the bench like Frank, Knox, Obi where he loses his value. Move him in the off-season if need be. I really like the player want to keep him but we have to maximize our assets while they are hot. Or freaking play the kid.
If they can’t beat Kyrie and a bunch of average to old players, they have a long way to go.
You're underrating the talent on the Nets, other than the big 3. Many have. They are much deeper than many thought and their excellent record reflects that. This isn't a team of slobs and backups. THey are very good.
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than with anyone else on the team. He is pressing because he gets limited minutes almost irrespective of what he does. I thinkk he is getting inconsistent signals. I don't see the coach developing him. He seems to be regressing as a result.
Oh stop with poor IQ not getting good coaching here. EVERYONE else has shown growth under Thibs, even Obi.
Thibs aint the problem with any player here. Fans can't wait to get on this guy every time a young player plays like shit. It aint Thibs. It's IQ and the rookie wall. Or it's IQ and he's just not as good as we all thought. I am hoping it's just the wall.
That wasn't a team waiting around for a superstar to bail them out. The Nets played hard all night. They scrapped and hustled, which was what the Knicks were thought to be.
Has he shown flashes? Sure. But the kid is completely out his element when you have him orchestrating a half court offense and he's often a black hole on the offensive end. He might grow into a nice combo guard in a couple of seasons, but by no means is he untouchable. And quite honestly, I think if Thibs were to play him 30min a night and some here are demanding, you're likely to magnify his warts and kill his confidence. He's not ready to start.
I understand Knicks fans always overrate their rookies and young players. But Quickley has been really good this year- especially given where he was drafted. But honestly what’s so refreshing about him is his confidence and shooting. It’s a breath of fresh air compared to Frank, Knox, Obi etc who look scared shitless for the most part.
But no player IQ included is untouchable on this team. Not even close.
I think the main excitement that IQ brings (at least to me)
is that he has flashes of elite potential in a direly needed area - shooting. He's also got some swagger, competitiveness, intelligence and feel for the game.
Lots of areas to improve though, especially defensively.
I’m just curious about your thoughts about the team, do you consider the nets a fun team, will you be really excited when they win a championship. It’s almost like you don’t know any of the players, they are not your players. I feel like these guys will be here this year and next year and then move on in 2 years.
It reminds me of when yanks won the World Series when free agency era really took off and they had arod, etc. I remember being so psyched during the first run in 96, 98, 99, 00, it was awesome and we loved those players, Jeter, Bernie, Brosiuus, O’Neil, Pettite, Rivera, Posada. I’m sure I am missing some, but those were guys that were true yankees. When they win in 09, I remember it wasn’t that exciting, obviously happy they won, but not the same.
I don’t mean this as a dig at nets fans, but really curious what the thoughts are
I also think he is struggling to find his place with Rose and Burks...He seems to be forcing a little bit when he gets his touches, kind of reminds me of Rj last yesr..
Rj struggled to know whrn to attack and when to move the ball, still has those moments
I’m just curious about your thoughts about the team, do you consider the nets a fun team, will you be really excited when they win a championship. It’s almost like you don’t know any of the players, they are not your players. I feel like these guys will be here this year and next year and then move on in 2 years.
It reminds me of when yanks won the World Series when free agency era really took off and they had arod, etc. I remember being so psyched during the first run in 96, 98, 99, 00, it was awesome and we loved those players, Jeter, Bernie, Brosiuus, O’Neil, Pettite, Rivera, Posada. I’m sure I am missing some, but those were guys that were true yankees. When they win in 09, I remember it wasn’t that exciting, obviously happy they won, but not the same.
I don’t mean this as a dig at nets fans, but really curious what the thoughts are
I'm not a Net fan but I wouldn't give a fuck if my favorite team acquired 5 new starters at the trade deadline and then won the whole thing.
They can't beat the surefire playoff teams without injuries or great 3PT shooting nights and that's the reality.
Now they have to figure out how to improve the roster to beat playoff teams. Don't look for someone to blame. They're an improved team, they're just not good enough as is, which we all knew already.
I couldn’t help but wonder why wouldn’t Thibs give Frank a shot to shutdown Luka or Kyrie. Interesting stat from Twitter. Knicks are 2-7 in games decided by 3 points or less. In the 2 games they win Frank closed the game against indiana and Orlando. The 7 losses Frank did not close and the following players shot above 50 percent and scored the following 4th quarter/2nd half points:
I couldn’t help but wonder why wouldn’t Thibs give Frank a shot to shutdown Luka or Kyrie. Interesting stat from Twitter. Knicks are 2-7 in games decided by 3 points or less. In the 2 games they win Frank closed the game against indiana and Orlando. The 7 losses Frank did not close and the following players shot above 50 percent and scored the following 4th quarter/2nd half points:
They can't beat the surefire playoff teams without injuries or great 3PT shooting nights and that's the reality.
Now they have to figure out how to improve the roster to beat playoff teams. Don't look for someone to blame. They're an improved team, they're just not good enough as is, which we all knew already.
yup next step is adding pieces this offseason and take another jump..
Nice to be in a situation now where it is about adding pieces to compete not 1 year deals to tank
He wasnt playing well, gettinf killed defensively and not ahooting well, no problem with him not playing more..
35-16, 1st in the conference. Not exactly a shitstain.
And Knicks had a timeout in their pocket if they got the ball back to change personnel.
But no change made from the offensive lineup that was out there for Burks' three pointer: Randle,Bullock,Burks, RJ, Quickley.
Randle has rebounding numbers but isn't the guy I want out there without some help on the boards, like Taj Gibson.
If you look at how the last play developed and where Quickley was, much better to have Gibson out there.
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CAN THIS FUCKING TEAM BEAT THAT SHITSTAIN OF A TEAM?
35-16, 1st in the conference. Not exactly a shitstain.
Fuck the Nets
The FA pipe dream is Leonard but good luck there. Maybe Ball. What trade is out there to be had?
Not to get ahead, it has been a fun year but you would think this team will look a lot different after this coming offseason.
The FA pipe dream is Leonard but good luck there. Maybe Ball. What trade is out there to be had?
Not to get ahead, it has been a fun year but you would think this team will look a lot different after this coming offseason.
Hopefully get a point, i woukd think they go hard after Ball..
Then go max player hunting in 22 free agency or maybe Ball asks out this offseason
Of course they do, they have 2 legit pieces, Mitch is hurt and a question mark..
They need a point guard for the future..
Bullock is an ok piece but is a role player..
Burks is a good bench sckrer..
Rose is a 20 to 25 minute player a game at this point..
Quickley is starting to struggle, may be hitting a wall..
Noel is starting when he should be playing 15 to 20 minutes a night..
Gibson is a role player who is toeards the end..
I mean this team still needs a lot but they are well coached, play hard and are a top defensive team..if they had any sort of consistent offense they would be a top 4 seed eaaily
Ball/rose
Beal/bullock
rj/burks
Randle
Mitch/noel/gibson
back up 4 a vet minimum or rookie you drafted
Putting that aside I think we are all frustrated with the close losses, but the reality is the future is bright as much as it will be frustrating over the next 6 weeks as they will more than likely finish under 500 and finish as the 8 or 9 seed. At that point I would rather take the lottery chances then get knocked out 4-0 by the nets.
Last point, Thibs has overalls done a very good job, but he has lost games with poor coaching decisions. Elfrid payment has to be blackmailing him with something major. He deserves 0 minutes on the floor. I will never get it.
Ball/rose
Beal/bullock
rj/burks
Randle
Mitch/noel/gibson
back up 4 a vet minimum or rookie you drafted
You trading IQ/Obi and picks for Beal?
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next years team is:
Ball/rose
Beal/bullock
rj/burks
Randle
Mitch/noel/gibson
back up 4 a vet minimum or rookie you drafted
You trading IQ/Obi and picks for Beal?
Why WOULDNT you do that?
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next years team is:
Ball/rose
Beal/bullock
rj/burks
Randle
Mitch/noel/gibson
back up 4 a vet minimum or rookie you drafted
You trading IQ/Obi and picks for Beal?
yes probably would end up taking more
Putting that aside I think we are all frustrated with the close losses, but the reality is the future is bright as much as it will be frustrating over the next 6 weeks as they will more than likely finish under 500 and finish as the 8 or 9 seed. At that point I would rather take the lottery chances then get knocked out 4-0 by the nets.
I agree with this. This team is really missing a guy who can drive and kick to shooters and break down a defense. IQ and Rose are fine, but they aren't really distributors, they're more looking for their own shots.
If we don't make the playoffs, I'm not going to lose any sleep. This team has shown a tremendous amount of growth and if we get one more lotto pick, so be it.
Ball/rose
Beal/bullock
rj/burks
Randle
Mitch/noel/gibson
back up 4 a vet minimum or rookie you drafted
I'll roshambo for it...minutes wise:
33/15
30/18
24/24
50+
20/14/14
Mix in INJ/minutes as required...
His FG % is 38% which is pretty damn bad. He needs to be more consistant and that will come with time.
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Has he shown flashes? Sure. But the kid is completely out his element when you have him orchestrating a half court offense and he's often a black hole on the offensive end. He might grow into a nice combo guard in a couple of seasons, but by no means is he untouchable. And quite honestly, I think if Thibs were to play him 30min a night and some here are demanding, you're likely to magnify his warts and kill his confidence. He's not ready to start.
His FG % is 38% which is pretty damn bad. He needs to be more consistant and that will come with time.
Could Quickley be hitting a "rookie wall"?
He is probably hitting the rookie wall, when hebplays well Thibs rolls with him, last noght he was not very good..
The Knicks roster is just not very good. Thibs has gotten the most out of the roster, but there are big upgrades that need to happen to be a good team.
Randle has plateaued a bit. He's still very very good but he can't be the iso answer to Kyrie. He's never gonna be that guy.
Payton played pretty well, IMO (at least for him). His one big fuckup that I saw was when he called off the double team and Irving had no trouble with what was decent defense.
But it was another moment in the game where you could really see how Lonzo would be perfect for the Knicks. Payton is a decent defender but not as good as he thinks he is. Lonzo actually is that good. He's longer and better. That would be exactly where he could help the Knicks. Kyrie is Kyrie, but Lonzo would have made it much more difficult on him. Add in the fact that he's a better shooter and passer than Payton and it's just an easy upgrade for the Knicks in the offseason. I hope they can make it happen. The Knicks still need a guy like Beal or Lavine who can really fill up the basket, but I'm all in on Lonzo at PG.
2) Sign Zack Levine in FA in 2022 to play the 2.
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than with anyone else on the team. He is pressing because he gets limited minutes almost irrespective of what he does. I thinkk he is getting inconsistent signals. I don't see the coach developing him. He seems to be regressing as a result.
He is probably hitting the rookie wall, when hebplays well Thibs rolls with him, last noght he was not very good..
Or the Knicks fans, like always, overreacted to a player that shoes flashed of potential by treating and proclaiming him a surefire star. I have never seen that before from the Knicks fanbase. He is definitely an intriguing player, but what he will become is really not close to settled.
The Knicks roster is just not very good. Thibs has gotten the most out of the roster, but there are big upgrades that need to happen to be a good team.
Randle has plateaued a bit. He's still very very good but he can't be the iso answer to Kyrie. He's never gonna be that guy.
Payton played pretty well, IMO (at least for him). His one big fuckup that I saw was when he called off the double team and Irving had no trouble with what was decent defense.
But it was another moment in the game where you could really see how Lonzo would be perfect for the Knicks. Payton is a decent defender but not as good as he thinks he is. Lonzo actually is that good. He's longer and better. That would be exactly where he could help the Knicks. Kyrie is Kyrie, but Lonzo would have made it much more difficult on him. Add in the fact that he's a better shooter and passer than Payton and it's just an easy upgrade for the Knicks in the offseason. I hope they can make it happen. The Knicks still need a guy like Beal or Lavine who can really fill up the basket, but I'm all in on Lonzo at PG.
Yeah Randlr is clearly a number 2 guy, he can distribute, rebound and knock down open shots, and on most nights you dont want him to jjst iso..
On Offense he plays likr Draynond with a jumper..
Rj i still dont know, there are times i watch him and i want to pull my hair out, whats left at least, and other times i see a number 2..
Lonzo would be awesome on this team and they need a shooting guard who can create when you need it..
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than with anyone else on the team. He is pressing because he gets limited minutes almost irrespective of what he does. I thinkk he is getting inconsistent signals. I don't see the coach developing him. He seems to be regressing as a result.
He is probably hitting the rookie wall, when hebplays well Thibs rolls with him, last noght he was not very good..
Or the Knicks fans, like always, overreacted to a player that shoes flashed of potential by treating and proclaiming him a surefire star. I have never seen that before from the Knicks fanbase. He is definitely an intriguing player, but what he will become is really not close to settled.
I dont think anyone saw him as a star and most people questioned if he could be the future at point guard..
Can't wait to listen...
You're underrating the talent on the Nets, other than the big 3. Many have. They are much deeper than many thought and their excellent record reflects that. This isn't a team of slobs and backups. THey are very good.
Oh stop with poor IQ not getting good coaching here. EVERYONE else has shown growth under Thibs, even Obi.
Thibs aint the problem with any player here. Fans can't wait to get on this guy every time a young player plays like shit. It aint Thibs. It's IQ and the rookie wall. Or it's IQ and he's just not as good as we all thought. I am hoping it's just the wall.
Can't wait to listen...
cool let's revisit misery.
Last 20 years doesn't mean anything. We have a HC here and we have a front office that knows what its doing. We had neither up until now.
I understand Knicks fans always overrate their rookies and young players. But Quickley has been really good this year- especially given where he was drafted. But honestly what’s so refreshing about him is his confidence and shooting. It’s a breath of fresh air compared to Frank, Knox, Obi etc who look scared shitless for the most part.
But no player IQ included is untouchable on this team. Not even close.
Lots of areas to improve though, especially defensively.
It reminds me of when yanks won the World Series when free agency era really took off and they had arod, etc. I remember being so psyched during the first run in 96, 98, 99, 00, it was awesome and we loved those players, Jeter, Bernie, Brosiuus, O’Neil, Pettite, Rivera, Posada. I’m sure I am missing some, but those were guys that were true yankees. When they win in 09, I remember it wasn’t that exciting, obviously happy they won, but not the same.
I don’t mean this as a dig at nets fans, but really curious what the thoughts are
I also think he is struggling to find his place with Rose and Burks...He seems to be forcing a little bit when he gets his touches, kind of reminds me of Rj last yesr..
Rj struggled to know whrn to attack and when to move the ball, still has those moments
It reminds me of when yanks won the World Series when free agency era really took off and they had arod, etc. I remember being so psyched during the first run in 96, 98, 99, 00, it was awesome and we loved those players, Jeter, Bernie, Brosiuus, O’Neil, Pettite, Rivera, Posada. I’m sure I am missing some, but those were guys that were true yankees. When they win in 09, I remember it wasn’t that exciting, obviously happy they won, but not the same.
I don’t mean this as a dig at nets fans, but really curious what the thoughts are
I'm not a Net fan but I wouldn't give a fuck if my favorite team acquired 5 new starters at the trade deadline and then won the whole thing.
Now they have to figure out how to improve the roster to beat playoff teams. Don't look for someone to blame. They're an improved team, they're just not good enough as is, which we all knew already.
Luka - 13 pts - Q4
Brunson - 11 pts - Q4
Butler - 19 pts - 2nd half
Kyrie - 17 pts - 2nd half
Edwards - 17 pts - 2nd half
Frank could have helped to slow these guys down. I think our closing line up in a close game should be:
Burks
Frank
RJ
Randle
Gibson
Luka - 13 pts - Q4
Brunson - 11 pts - Q4
Butler - 19 pts - 2nd half
Kyrie - 17 pts - 2nd half
Edwards - 17 pts - 2nd half
Frank could have helped to slow these guys down. I think our closing line up in a close game should be:
Burks
Frank
RJ
Randle
Gibson
Now they have to figure out how to improve the roster to beat playoff teams. Don't look for someone to blame. They're an improved team, they're just not good enough as is, which we all knew already.
yup next step is adding pieces this offseason and take another jump..
Nice to be in a situation now where it is about adding pieces to compete not 1 year deals to tank