From what DG and Judge say about wanting players who love to play the game, I can't see them touching anyone who opted out last year. Perhaps the PAC12 players get a break since they canceled and then un-canceled their season, and that's a bit more complicated to navigate with a training regimen, but I just don't see it.
That would eliminate:
OT Sewell
WR Chase
LB Parsons
CB Farley
OT Slater
ER Rousseau
What say you, BBI? Do you expect these players to fall as a result of their opt-outs? Will the Giants avoid these players? How about other teams?
The NFL players who opted out last year weren't superstars for the most part, but I haven't seen any of them getting much love this offseason... Will the college kids get similar treatment?
List of top prospects who opted out - (
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Having someone in your family that is in a rock group is another. I’m sure it’s a case by case basis.
So I think it certainly raises a red flag and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did pass on a player because they opted out if the rationale for that decision isn’t one they like.
What I find interesting is that the schools allowed all of these guys to come back and be part of their pro days. That tells me the programs did not hold any animosity.
"Listen kid, we know your mom has COPD and your dad has diabetes, and you didn't want to exposure them to a deadly disease...but it's a shame you don't love the game of football like I do."
Thanks. I was trying to figure out where you were going with your analogy. LOL
Some of these players were already basically guarenteed they will be rd 1 picks. If the players have been diligently working on there craft and that is both visible and documented there is no reason not to take them.
I do think , if you are talking about lesser players who opted out, they will not touch them.
On this list, you could argue the players who had the most to prove were Sewell and Rousseau. Sewell is a man freak dancing bear, that people would run to the podium to draft. Dude is 330 lbs! Have you seen him move? I think Gettlemann would literally faint if Sewell is there at 12.
Roussaeu is really the one , if you question anyone, that I'd question.
Those are good reasons to pass on players who opted out and that doesn’t have anything to do with love of the game. (Inevitably there is going to be a player here or there who opted out and took a vacation without any good reason that would be scratched from the board - that’s just life).
You're not exactly lighting BBI on fire, dude. Maybe borrow Jim Rome's advice?
Ironically, those are the two guys that I can even envision might have opted out to protect their draft status.
Not sure what TMZ's take on it was to tell you that, but we genuinely don't know that.
If someone told you a few years ago that the Giants would have a chance to draft Laremy Tunsil and would pass on it, would you have issued such a dismissive response?
All we know is that there is some asshat chatter that the Giants are downgrading opt-outs. How meaningfully, we don't know. If it's true at all, we don't know. Such is the nature of asshat/beat info.
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Giants aren't passing on Sewell (he likely won't be there) because he opted out c'mon.
Not sure what TMZ's take on it was to tell you that, but we genuinely don't know that.
If someone told you a few years ago that the Giants would have a chance to draft Laremy Tunsil and would pass on it, would you have issued such a dismissive response?
All we know is that there is some asshat chatter that the Giants are downgrading opt-outs. How meaningfully, we don't know. If it's true at all, we don't know. Such is the nature of asshat/beat info.
Bizarre personal swipe aside (when do I post things from TMZ?) Tunsil smoked weed on video, how are you equating the two? Really odd take.
After hearing it, I thought that players who opted out will have a significantly lower grade than they would have had had they played.
It wouldn’t be fair to punish a player for making a personal health decision, but it wouldn’t be unfair to prefer a player who played more recently. If two players are equal on the board, and one played last year and the other opted out, I think they may show a preference in one direction vs the other.
But if the opt out player is a level above the other, you may think the risk is worth it. Chase or Sewell, as examples, would surely be NYG if they’re there at 11 and all clean otherwise.
Of course.
Why anyone would take the position that opting out of football during a national and global health crisis is some kind of character issue is beyond me. The issue is the interpretation that that player doesn't want to work.
In the past, they have downgraded injured players about 1 round. I don’t expect Opt-Out players will be dropped that far.
You might be right, but Solder hasn’t made the team yet. Until he does, I have to wonder whether his new contract is really negotiated settlement that will lower the cap hit of cutting him. Who knows.
So we want:
high character
smart / good decision makers
coachable / heady players
but also people who are willing to potentially conribute to the death of high-risk loved ones in the name of playing a game that they aren't being paid for.
At a minimum I can promise you that they will evaluate each player on his own merits/circumstances and etc.
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Giants aren't passing on Sewell (he likely won't be there) because he opted out c'mon.
Not sure what TMZ's take on it was to tell you that, but we genuinely don't know that.
If someone told you a few years ago that the Giants would have a chance to draft Laremy Tunsil and would pass on it, would you have issued such a dismissive response?
All we know is that there is some asshat chatter that the Giants are downgrading opt-outs. How meaningfully, we don't know. If it's true at all, we don't know. Such is the nature of asshat/beat info.
Bizarre personal swipe aside (when do I post things from TMZ?) Tunsil smoked weed on video, how are you equating the two? Really odd take.
Sorry for the personal swipe, although it wasn't really personal unless you are TMZ.
But the point is that we've heard already that the Giants are downgrading opt-outs. We haven't heard any details about how much, if at all, they're focusing on individual cases, vs. simply implementing a broad opt-out downgrade. I hope it's not the latter, but we simply don't know.
To immediately react to the possibility of passing on any player - in this case, Sewell - who opted out, without acknowledging what we've heard of the Giants current position on this tells me that you either know something that we don't, or you don't know something that we all do.
Which is it?
Let's hope.
The asshats have already leaked that the Giants are concerned about opt-out prospects. Maybe that's just a pre-emptive explanation for having Phillips above Rousseau or something else as specific as that (Smith/Waddle above Chase?), but our current information does include the Giants downgrading opt-out prospects.
your logic is turrible and you should feel turrible.
So we want:
high character
smart / good decision makers
coachable / heady players
but also people who are willing to potentially conribute to the death of high-risk loved ones in the name of playing a game that they aren't being paid for.
At a minimum I can promise you that they will evaluate each player on his own merits/circumstances and etc.
You genuinely cannot promise that. It's entirely possible that they're viewing "opt-out" as a prospect category.
I used to follow South Carolina when Spurrier was the HC. They had this great running back Marcus Lattimore who had a catastrophic knee injury. He did get drafted but could never get back from the injury.
My guess is a lot of these players opting out did so to avoid injury and the loss of big payday. They probably were advised that their draft position would not be altered. It does not mean that they do not love the game imo.
your logic is turrible and you should feel turrible.
It's not my POV. It's my reaction to the asshat intel that the Giants are downgrading opt-out players.
I used to follow South Carolina when Spurrier was the HC. They had this great running back Marcus Lattimore who had a catastrophic knee injury. He did get drafted but could never get back from the injury.
My guess is a lot of these players opting out did so to avoid injury and the loss of big payday. They probably were advised that their draft position would not be altered. It does not mean that they do not love the game imo.
I was at that game where Lattimore got injured. Never heard a stadium get so quiet so fast.
your logic is turrible and you should feel turrible.
But you can probably apply this meme to every single one of your own posts in the MLB ASG thread.
Maybe if I post it on Twitter you'll understand me more clearly: I do not think they should rule any of these guys out. Some insiders have implied that the Giants are downgrading opt-out prospects, presumably under the guise of a desire to play. I am merely questioning the validity of that intel, and what the downstream implications are.