a contact hitter. His tinkering around the edges and hanging on to Gardner (not to mention the pitching staff) seem strange, given the resources at his disposal.
a contact hitter. His tinkering around the edges and hanging on to Gardner (not to mention the pitching staff) seem strange, given the resources at his disposal.
I tend to agree with you here. I understand it isn’t the be all, end all, but I wouldn’t mind a little more small ball. The pitching should hold up, but you need a combination of power and contact hitters to beat good pitching in the playoffs.
who would allow them to get Jay Bruce off the field, I would prefer that they just give Tyler Wade a little bit of burn. Or expedite the Tauchman at 1B experiment.
A player who stinks as a hitter but has power, I am resolved to living with the fact we have an owner who doesn't give two shits about the team as long as he is making money, which the Yankees do more then any team in baseball. He has turned the team over to a bad GM, he has every advantage over his competition and continues to fuck this team, a pure power hitting team with low batting averages and low contact percentage, how many other teams can afford to keep Tachman rotting on the bench so they cover thier asses with as horrible a signing as Gardner is, the worst signing any team has had with Stanton, his inability to have even a competent medical staff, mediocre to poor starting pitching year after year. There are no championships coming here with this guy in charge, he lucked into one because Mo, Jeter, Posada, and Andy were still here from The Sticks doing.
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Texas is expected to absorb almost the entirety of the $27 million owed to Rougned Odor, who’s on his way to the Yankees, per sources. He’s due $12 million this year, $12 million next year and a $3 million buyout on a $13 million club option in 2023.
So the Rangers are paying him to play for us. I wonder what the Yankees gave up for this privilege?
The only justification I can see is that maybe the Yanks have issues with Bruce and want him gone. In that case, maybe plan B is to move DJLM to 1B and have Odor platoon with Wade until Voit returns?
Since Texas is paying the whole deal, it doesn't cost the Yanks anything to drop him when Voit returns or send him to the alternate site.
This MIGHT also be an attempt to winnow down the number of Rule 5 eligible players this winter.
2 minor leaguers are part of the deal. Maybe the Yanks are shipping two lesser guys who they think other teams may be interested in but they don't want to protect and avoid them going to rivals.
Remember this past winter, the Yanks lost 2 solid relievers to the Red Sox and Indians. Sending players to Texas isn't likely to cause trouble since the Rangers aren't going to be competitive for a while.
a contact hitter. His tinkering around the edges and hanging on to Gardner (not to mention the pitching staff) seem strange, given the resources at his disposal.
Insane philosophy and I hate it. He seems to have been swayed by a power heavy line up vs. higher contact hitters. It is the exact opposite of many of those dynasty teams. Those teams rarely had a great #4 but they had great contact hitters and high OBP guys.
who would allow them to get Jay Bruce off the field, I would prefer that they just give Tyler Wade a little bit of burn. Or expedite the Tauchman at 1B experiment.
Tyler Wade should only be a pimch runner and defensive replacement.
Joel Sherman
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Just my thought: Keep in mind Tyler Wade has 1 option left. Can send him down and have Urshela as emergency backup SS with Wade a phone call away if Torres gets hurt. Can take short-term look at Odor, see if they can regernate his LH bat as bat off bench/occasional starter.
A player who stinks as a hitter but has power, I am resolved to living with the fact we have an owner who doesn't give two shits about the team as long as he is making money, which the Yankees do more then any team in baseball. He has turned the team over to a bad GM, he has every advantage over his competition and continues to fuck this team, a pure power hitting team with low batting averages and low contact percentage, how many other teams can afford to keep Tachman rotting on the bench so they cover thier asses with as horrible a signing as Gardner is, the worst signing any team has had with Stanton, his inability to have even a competent medical staff, mediocre to poor starting pitching year after year. There are no championships coming here with this guy in charge, he lucked into one because Mo, Jeter, Posada, and Andy were still here from The Sticks doing.
I really thought this was sarcasm and then realized that you are completely fucking serious!
Cashman is a bad GM?? They don'[t have a competent medical staff??
Just fucking clueless stuff posted on Yankee threads.
who would allow them to get Jay Bruce off the field, I would prefer that they just give Tyler Wade a little bit of burn. Or expedite the Tauchman at 1B experiment.
Tyler Wade should only be a pimch runner and defensive replacement.
I don't have any dying devotion to Wade, but I guess I question why Odor should be anything more than that.
My ultimate point being that if they need to be giving time to a player who isn't very good, I'd rather invest in, say, giving Wade a protracted string of regular MLB at bats (which he's really never had) so they can sort of 'shit or get off the pot' with the idea of him being a worthwhile major leaguer.
In 100 PAs last year, Wade showed a serviceable K-BB% of under 10%. The ugliness was primarily a function of an ultra-low .188 BABIP, which is unheard of for a player with that kind of speed. Nothing at all impressive about the batted ball profile, but Odor striking out at 30% while being in low single digits BB% is a set of poor skills, plain and simple.
I just think there's more to be gained with Wade getting the PT than there is with Odor.
this move makes no sense to me. Wade cant hit either, but he can
in that even if he replaces Bruce on the roster, Voit will be back in May. But I think this may exactly be that, get Bruce off the roster, move DJ to 1B, Odor to 2B. Wade is the only viable SS on the bench and he is the 10th inning pinch runner, I would suppose. He does have 1 option left, but it would not make sense to move him down.
rich in DC may be right in that they are moving Rule 5 guys for whatever they can get back while adding a lefty power bat.
a contact hitter. His tinkering around the edges and hanging on to Gardner (not to mention the pitching staff) seem strange, given the resources at his disposal.
JonC, nothing wrong with Gardner as the 4th OF. He is still well above average in the OF and can play anywhere out there. He may not be as good at the plate as he was, but how many 4th OF are as good as he'd be. Plus he still has the speed.
Not sure what you mean with the pitching staff. It is pretty good - maybe better than it has been in recent memory.
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
the Yankees don't have a bad record of taking these "nothing" moves and having them pan out big time.
I'd bet 100% they see something that they think can be corrected, if that happens I'm sure is anyone's guess but they certainly are capable of making the best of these kinds of things.
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Josh Stowers and Antonio Cabello for Odor.
Yanks will announce a corresponding 40 man move later today.
Just as I speculated above- clearing out guys who are Rule 5 eligible so they don’t have to protect them. Might be an overpay- but also keep in mind that the Yanks have an OF logjam at the lower levels, especially with the new MLB directed minor league restructure. They might be making room for guys that they want to see more of who may be protected next winter.
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
So they need to spend like drunken sailors to make you feel better? The Rays still beat them last year with 1/3 the salary.
i dont really mind this move with cashmans recent success on reclamation projects but i do hope this is a precursor move to something bigger, we desperately need another high contact back in the lineup and I'm definitely not sold on gleyber at short long term.
such a shame the damn mets locked up lindor, would have been the perfect finishing piece to the infield.
i dont really mind this move with cashmans recent success on reclamation projects but i do hope this is a precursor move to something bigger, we desperately need another high contact back in the lineup and I'm definitely not sold on gleyber at short long term.
such a shame the damn mets locked up lindor, would have been the perfect finishing piece to the infield.
After Cole, there will not be much in the way of salary spending....yes Lindor would have been nice, but they took DJLM instead.
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
So they need to spend like drunken sailors to make you feel better? The Rays still beat them last year with 1/3 the salary.
Did I say that? But,these are the type of moves Cashman has been forced to make because of Hal & his demand to stay under the cap. Cashman's doing a good job considering the restrictions that have been put on him during the off-season & now.
i dont really mind this move with cashmans recent success on reclamation projects but i do hope this is a precursor move to something bigger, we desperately need another high contact back in the lineup and I'm definitely not sold on gleyber at short long term.
such a shame the damn mets locked up lindor, would have been the perfect finishing piece to the infield.
After Cole, there will not be much in the way of salary spending....yes Lindor would have been nice, but they took DJLM instead.
understood and agreed but one can dream... any chance we could swap him for stanton without anyone realizing?
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
So they need to spend like drunken sailors to make you feel better? The Rays still beat them last year with 1/3 the salary.
Did I say that? But,these are the type of moves Cashman has been forced to make because of Hal & his demand to stay under the cap. Cashman's doing a good job considering the restrictions that have been put on him during the off-season & now.
Yes, in essence you did. The salary is the salary. Reset this year.
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
So they need to spend like drunken sailors to make you feel better? The Rays still beat them last year with 1/3 the salary.
Did I say that? But,these are the type of moves Cashman has been forced to make because of Hal & his demand to stay under the cap. Cashman's doing a good job considering the restrictions that have been put on him during the off-season & now.
Yes, in essence you did. The salary is the salary. Reset this year.
Your interpretation of what I said is different than what I actually said,but go on believing what you want!
Fatman in Charlotte....I love your posts and agree with you 99.9 percent of the time, but, I'm in agreement with Paul N on Brian Cashman being a sub par GM. There are a myriad of reasons why I have felt this way about him for the last 6-8 years but suffice to say, if I gave you a quarter of a billion dollars to spend on a roster, yours would be far superior to what he has put on the field for a number of years. There is zero reason to have Gardner on the roster, he stayed with Sabathia way too long and Stanton and Sanchez have serious deficiencies especially against good pitching. The pitching staff at the top of the rotation is always mediocre (obtaining Cole the exception) and it shows in the playoffs. They are not a team built on contact hitting. They are a huge "hit or miss" lineup (with exceptions). The Yankees have not been in a World Series in 12 years. With that payroll, it's really inexcusable IMHO. I agree with Paul N. I just don't think he is a quality GM. Having said that, you are my favorite poster.
I'm not a baseball fan, but how could anyone hate a guy whose name is
Fatman in Charlotte....I love your posts and agree with you 99.9 percent of the time, but, I'm in agreement with Paul N on Brian Cashman being a sub par GM. There are a myriad of reasons why I have felt this way about him for the last 6-8 years but suffice to say, if I gave you a quarter of a billion dollars to spend on a roster, yours would be far superior to what he has put on the field for a number of years. There is zero reason to have Gardner on the roster, he stayed with Sabathia way too long and Stanton and Sanchez have serious deficiencies especially against good pitching. The pitching staff at the top of the rotation is always mediocre (obtaining Cole the exception) and it shows in the playoffs. They are not a team built on contact hitting. They are a huge "hit or miss" lineup (with exceptions). The Yankees have not been in a World Series in 12 years. With that payroll, it's really inexcusable IMHO. I agree with Paul N. I just don't think he is a quality GM. Having said that, you are my favorite poster.
While I appreciate the sentiments, the comment to Paul is more of a general catch-all this time of year where people assign blame to each loss and overreact. Heck, the first game of the year, you had people calling for Boone and Cashman's heads, and they were serious.
The Yankees are perennial contenders. The GM's job is to construct a winner and Cashman has done that. It's like saying that other teams who are often in the postseason are built poorly because they haven't won a title or have gone awhile without doing it.
The things Cashman gets dinged for are really tough to solve. Having a top starting pitching staff from 1 to 5 is hard. especially when you lose 3-4 pitchers a year to injury. Balancing the lineup is a fair concern, but then players like Gardner get marginalized, even though they can fit the mold of guys posters want on the team. He's been a solid Yankee, and there shouldn't be so much complaining about him being on the roster.
DJ came in and brings a well-rounded offense. Those guys don't grow on trees. And the comment about getting neutralized by top pitchers is exactly what happens when teams play top pitchers, hence why they are top pitchers.
This team is a perennial 95+ win team that consistently makes the playoffs. It doesn't hold water that the GM is poor
I tend to agree with you here. I understand it isn’t the be all, end all, but I wouldn’t mind a little more small ball. The pitching should hold up, but you need a combination of power and contact hitters to beat good pitching in the playoffs.
Ha ha, I laughed.
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Texas is expected to absorb almost the entirety of the $27 million owed to Rougned Odor, who’s on his way to the Yankees, per sources. He’s due $12 million this year, $12 million next year and a $3 million buyout on a $13 million club option in 2023.
So the Rangers are paying him to play for us. I wonder what the Yankees gave up for this privilege?
Since Texas is paying the whole deal, it doesn't cost the Yanks anything to drop him when Voit returns or send him to the alternate site.
This MIGHT also be an attempt to winnow down the number of Rule 5 eligible players this winter.
2 minor leaguers are part of the deal. Maybe the Yanks are shipping two lesser guys who they think other teams may be interested in but they don't want to protect and avoid them going to rivals.
Remember this past winter, the Yanks lost 2 solid relievers to the Red Sox and Indians. Sending players to Texas isn't likely to cause trouble since the Rangers aren't going to be competitive for a while.
Insane philosophy and I hate it. He seems to have been swayed by a power heavy line up vs. higher contact hitters. It is the exact opposite of many of those dynasty teams. Those teams rarely had a great #4 but they had great contact hitters and high OBP guys.
Tyler Wade should only be a pimch runner and defensive replacement.
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
Just my thought: Keep in mind Tyler Wade has 1 option left. Can send him down and have Urshela as emergency backup SS with Wade a phone call away if Torres gets hurt. Can take short-term look at Odor, see if they can regernate his LH bat as bat off bench/occasional starter.
So when he does play, will he be at second or do you try to see if he can play first?
Yanks will announce a corresponding 40 man move later today.
Does that mean the Yanks now have a Roughneck Odor?
I really thought this was sarcasm and then realized that you are completely fucking serious!
Cashman is a bad GM?? They don'[t have a competent medical staff??
Just fucking clueless stuff posted on Yankee threads.
Since 2018, it's 23 SBs/23 CS, including 0 for 1 this year.
Someone needs to tell him a .500 average is good at the plate, not so much on the bases. That's Jorge Posada territory.
And make sure he knows the "DON'T STEAL!" sign.
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who would allow them to get Jay Bruce off the field, I would prefer that they just give Tyler Wade a little bit of burn. Or expedite the Tauchman at 1B experiment.
Tyler Wade should only be a pimch runner and defensive replacement.
I don't have any dying devotion to Wade, but I guess I question why Odor should be anything more than that.
My ultimate point being that if they need to be giving time to a player who isn't very good, I'd rather invest in, say, giving Wade a protracted string of regular MLB at bats (which he's really never had) so they can sort of 'shit or get off the pot' with the idea of him being a worthwhile major leaguer.
In 100 PAs last year, Wade showed a serviceable K-BB% of under 10%. The ugliness was primarily a function of an ultra-low .188 BABIP, which is unheard of for a player with that kind of speed. Nothing at all impressive about the batted ball profile, but Odor striking out at 30% while being in low single digits BB% is a set of poor skills, plain and simple.
I just think there's more to be gained with Wade getting the PT than there is with Odor.
I don't mind the move. I would have preferred bringing up Estrada. But if they think he needs more development who the fuck am I to question.
Ugh...
rich in DC may be right in that they are moving Rule 5 guys for whatever they can get back while adding a lefty power bat.
JonC, nothing wrong with Gardner as the 4th OF. He is still well above average in the OF and can play anywhere out there. He may not be as good at the plate as he was, but how many 4th OF are as good as he'd be. Plus he still has the speed.
Not sure what you mean with the pitching staff. It is pretty good - maybe better than it has been in recent memory.
Ugh...
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
I'd bet 100% they see something that they think can be corrected, if that happens I'm sure is anyone's guess but they certainly are capable of making the best of these kinds of things.
Yanks will announce a corresponding 40 man move later today.
Just as I speculated above- clearing out guys who are Rule 5 eligible so they don’t have to protect them. Might be an overpay- but also keep in mind that the Yanks have an OF logjam at the lower levels, especially with the new MLB directed minor league restructure. They might be making room for guys that they want to see more of who may be protected next winter.
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for Odor???
Ugh...
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
So they need to spend like drunken sailors to make you feel better? The Rays still beat them last year with 1/3 the salary.
such a shame the damn mets locked up lindor, would have been the perfect finishing piece to the infield.
such a shame the damn mets locked up lindor, would have been the perfect finishing piece to the infield.
After Cole, there will not be much in the way of salary spending....yes Lindor would have been nice, but they took DJLM instead.
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for Odor???
Ugh...
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
So they need to spend like drunken sailors to make you feel better? The Rays still beat them last year with 1/3 the salary.
Did I say that? But,these are the type of moves Cashman has been forced to make because of Hal & his demand to stay under the cap. Cashman's doing a good job considering the restrictions that have been put on him during the off-season & now.
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i dont really mind this move with cashmans recent success on reclamation projects but i do hope this is a precursor move to something bigger, we desperately need another high contact back in the lineup and I'm definitely not sold on gleyber at short long term.
such a shame the damn mets locked up lindor, would have been the perfect finishing piece to the infield.
After Cole, there will not be much in the way of salary spending....yes Lindor would have been nice, but they took DJLM instead.
understood and agreed but one can dream... any chance we could swap him for stanton without anyone realizing?
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for Odor???
Ugh...
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
So they need to spend like drunken sailors to make you feel better? The Rays still beat them last year with 1/3 the salary.
Did I say that? But,these are the type of moves Cashman has been forced to make because of Hal & his demand to stay under the cap. Cashman's doing a good job considering the restrictions that have been put on him during the off-season & now.
Yes, in essence you did. The salary is the salary. Reset this year.
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for Odor???
Ugh...
This was so the Yankees wouldn't take on any salary They'd rather give up prospects than add to a salary cap that Hal wants under the limit! Your New, New York Yankees! SMH
So they need to spend like drunken sailors to make you feel better? The Rays still beat them last year with 1/3 the salary.
Did I say that? But,these are the type of moves Cashman has been forced to make because of Hal & his demand to stay under the cap. Cashman's doing a good job considering the restrictions that have been put on him during the off-season & now.
Yes, in essence you did. The salary is the salary. Reset this year.
Your interpretation of what I said is different than what I actually said,but go on believing what you want!
couple days, that's what I would do.
Yes, in essence you did. The salary is the salary. Reset this year.
Your interpretation of what I said is different than what I actually said,but go on believing what you want!
Well, it is what you said. You chirped about Hal placing a limit in spending to keep under the luxury tax. How else is it to be interpreted?
While I appreciate the sentiments, the comment to Paul is more of a general catch-all this time of year where people assign blame to each loss and overreact. Heck, the first game of the year, you had people calling for Boone and Cashman's heads, and they were serious.
The Yankees are perennial contenders. The GM's job is to construct a winner and Cashman has done that. It's like saying that other teams who are often in the postseason are built poorly because they haven't won a title or have gone awhile without doing it.
The things Cashman gets dinged for are really tough to solve. Having a top starting pitching staff from 1 to 5 is hard. especially when you lose 3-4 pitchers a year to injury. Balancing the lineup is a fair concern, but then players like Gardner get marginalized, even though they can fit the mold of guys posters want on the team. He's been a solid Yankee, and there shouldn't be so much complaining about him being on the roster.
DJ came in and brings a well-rounded offense. Those guys don't grow on trees. And the comment about getting neutralized by top pitchers is exactly what happens when teams play top pitchers, hence why they are top pitchers.
This team is a perennial 95+ win team that consistently makes the playoffs. It doesn't hold water that the GM is poor