But just got a 2021 Sorrento hybrid last week so far it's everything I expected they will soon have a plug in hybrid. I drive between South Carolina and Staten Island a couple times a year so ev wouldn't work for me.
GM doesn’t make the Volt hybrid any more which is too bad. The Bolt is a cool EV but it’s a bit small for me. Next year GM intros an AWD electric car which will be nice. We’re very behind in the EV market. Toyota and Honda are way ahead as far as hybrids. Personally, I’d do hybrid over full EV, mostly from a convenience stand point.
Certainly install a fast charger at your house. It’ll double the charging speed.
I got it a couple years ago when the tax credits made the price comparable to a nicely appointed Accord or Camry. The Biden administration might be bringing back tax credits for all EVs.
It's been great for me. I still only have a 120 volt outlet for it at home, but that more than meets my needs. Pre-pandemic, the parking garage by my gym had free charging, so I'd do that while playing basketball.
For me home charging is about 1/4 the cost per mile of gas, SuperCharging is about 2/3 the cost of gas per mile, and free charging can't be beat.
with what's available in EVs because I'm going to be in the car market probably next summer at the latest. Volkswagen is big into EVs in Europe and I like the look of the ID4.
I might give the Ford Mustang a look.
The most I drive in a day is about 125 miles so a full EV is OK for me. We can take the wife's Honda ICE vehicle on long trips. My only problem is the price of EVs. Even with the tax credit, they're still a bit pricey. I wouldn't touch a Tesla. After VW, GM, Ford, Honda and Toyota get in the market Tesla will probably go the way of the Delorian.
We love it. Fun to drive, cost of energy is very low and no maintenance.
I second this. Got my Tesla Dec 29, 2020. I am in LOVE. dont think ill own a gas vehicle ever again. No maintanence is great, the car is fast, the technology is insane. i am in love with my car (roger taylor voice)
i do NOT have at home charging options so i charge at superchargers once a week or two. I dont commute to work so that helps but my love for the car far outweighs the annoyance of charging once a week at most. Ill just go to dinner near a super charger and im good.
Wife has a van we use for trips. The volt has been great. Not a true EV as it has the engine backup, but There have been years where I would only but gas once a year and use the battery the rest of the time.
And one morning you wake up and forgot to charge the car. ooops... You're F'd.
While I wake up and forgot to get gas.. Weee! A couple of minutes at the gas station and I'm on my way.
See the difference?
Unless you’re going on a long trip, you don’t need a full charge everyday. Same as you don’t need a full tank of gas everyday. Forgetting to plug in once isn’t a big deal. Plug in tomorrow.
Totally, Deloreans were made for two years and fewer than 9,000 were produced. Teslas have been in production for 13 years, sold over 500,000 cars last year alone, expect to sell a million cars this year. Their battery, super charging infrastructure, and other technology has them years ahead of any other manufacturer. Tesla is totally going the way of the Delorean....
of most consumers. Toyota Prime gives you plenty of electric range for your day to day commute and none of the range anxiety for long road trips. Not to mention you get the reliability and build quality of a Toyota. Toyota, VW...these guys are going to take more and more market share precisely when it's profitable to do so.
btw, Edmunds reviewed Tesla's EPA range estimates and found most of them to be BS. Link - ( New Window )
but the hybrid still seems the better choice, right now
I am seeing more and more of the smaller Tesla's every day. Sooner, rather than later, supercharging stations will be common and plentiful. I like the idea of electric.
I have a Model X, I love it. I don't even have a charger, just plug in at home when it’s low, or hit a charger when on a trip. But, I don’t even need daily charging because less driving w/ Covid and not a long commute.
I’ve gone from VA to VT several times this year. The Tesla’s trip plan for you showing where the chargers are along the way. They’re all along 95 and at a lot of groceries now. It’s a minor issue in the Acela corridor and it’s only getting better. Stop for lunch and you’re fully charged.
As for “if I forget to charge one day I’m screwed”? That’s nonsense, at least on the East Coast where i live. The lower the battery is, the faster it charges. So in 20 min or so it would take to get coffee, I can add 100 miles or more. My car holds 345 miles when full so it’s not a daily issue.
Plus: Oil changes? 0 Gas Stations? 0 Transmission fluid/changes? 0 Transmission problems? 0 Maintenance is basically tires, brakes, and wiper fluid.
And it accelerates like a MF. SO fun to drive. And it updates software and you get new features from time to time.
My dad was IN the transmission business (and an MIT engineer) and always thought the electric motor was better if batteries would catch up.
Of fully charging a Tesla when at home, or having to pay to while on the road?
Lots of variables, electricity costs and battery size. My Model 3 SR+ has a 60kW battery and a 240 mile range. At home I pay $0.12 per kW, so 0 to 100% charge would be $7.20, or $0.03 per mile. My nearest SuperCharger costs $0.29 per kW, so 0 to 100% would be $17.40, or $0.0725 per mile. That's mostly theoretical. I've never been at 0% and rarely charge to 100%.
Plus: Oil changes? 0 Gas Stations? 0 Transmission fluid/changes? 0 Transmission problems? 0 Maintenance is basically tires, brakes, and wiper fluid.
Also worth noting, most of your braking is not using the brakes at all, but charging the battery instead. As a result your brakes will need service far less often. Most of my trips around town can be done without ever touching the brake pedal.
Of fully charging a Tesla when at home, or having to pay to while on the road?
Lots of variables, electricity costs and battery size. My Model 3 SR+ has a 60kW battery and a 240 mile range. At home I pay $0.12 per kW, so 0 to 100% charge would be $7.20, or $0.03 per mile. My nearest SuperCharger costs $0.29 per kW, so 0 to 100% would be $17.40, or $0.0725 per mile. That's mostly theoretical. I've never been at 0% and rarely charge to 100%.
company that the DeLorean comparison is a joke. Their innovation is forcing the rest of the field to play catch-up in the EV race.
In terms of EV range, if NIO ever decided to come stateside, their EVs would give Tesla a run for the money. They have their own innovations plus an infrastructure plan that solves the rare scenario that Stan posed. They have battery swap stations all over China that can swap out a depleted battery for a fully charged one in minutes(about the same time as filling up an ICE w/ gas). In addition to that, their new sedan will have a range of 1000km(about 620 mi) per charge.
Hopefully they don't crash as much as their stock has.
This is getting off topic a bit, so I apologize, but this is telling a small part of the story. Yea the stock has sold off 25% in the last 6-8 weeks, but it’s still up over 500% in the last 1Y and it’s essentially flat YTD.
on the new Mustang Mach E GT model. So excited. Have been itching to get into the EV market for a while but I don't want a Tesla. The Mach E is really the first non-Tesla EV that can compete head to head with the Teslas
A buddy of mine just got a new Tesla (not sure what model he has). He loves it so far. I think he says his gets like 330 or so miles per charge. He says the technology is amazing.
He just did a trip from NOVA to Tampa and used their trip planner that takes you by all the charging stations. I think he had to stop 5-6 times, but said it wasn't a big deal.
A buddy of mine just got a new Tesla (not sure what model he has). He loves it so far. I think he says his gets like 330 or so miles per charge. He says the technology is amazing.
He just did a trip from NOVA to Tampa and used their trip planner that takes you by all the charging stations. I think he had to stop 5-6 times, but said it wasn't a big deal.
When you have to stop 5-6 times for a long time each it IS a big deal.
Sorry.
Certainly install a fast charger at your house. It’ll double the charging speed.
It's been great for me. I still only have a 120 volt outlet for it at home, but that more than meets my needs. Pre-pandemic, the parking garage by my gym had free charging, so I'd do that while playing basketball.
For me home charging is about 1/4 the cost per mile of gas, SuperCharging is about 2/3 the cost of gas per mile, and free charging can't be beat.
I might give the Ford Mustang a look.
The most I drive in a day is about 125 miles so a full EV is OK for me. We can take the wife's Honda ICE vehicle on long trips. My only problem is the price of EVs. Even with the tax credit, they're still a bit pricey. I wouldn't touch a Tesla. After VW, GM, Ford, Honda and Toyota get in the market Tesla will probably go the way of the Delorian.
I second this. Got my Tesla Dec 29, 2020. I am in LOVE. dont think ill own a gas vehicle ever again. No maintanence is great, the car is fast, the technology is insane. i am in love with my car (roger taylor voice)
Life's too short to be bothered with that now.
Super fast charge too.
It has also surpassed said 3 series as my favorite car I've ever owned.
I've had it almost 2 years. No regrets.
Life's too short to be bothered with that now.
I spent more time pumping gas when i had a normal car than i spend waiting for my car to charge, because my car has a full charge every single day.
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And will never go to any EV until the infrastructure is there for charging stations/speed of charging.
Life's too short to be bothered with that now.
I spent more time pumping gas when i had a normal car than i spend waiting for my car to charge, because my car has a full charge every single day.
And one morning you wake up and forgot to charge the car. ooops... You're F'd.
While I wake up and forgot to get gas.. Weee! A couple of minutes at the gas station and I'm on my way.
See the difference?
And one morning you wake up and forgot to charge the car. ooops... You're F'd.
While I wake up and forgot to get gas.. Weee! A couple of minutes at the gas station and I'm on my way.
See the difference?
Unless you’re going on a long trip, you don’t need a full charge everyday. Same as you don’t need a full tank of gas everyday. Forgetting to plug in once isn’t a big deal. Plug in tomorrow.
Totally, Deloreans were made for two years and fewer than 9,000 were produced. Teslas have been in production for 13 years, sold over 500,000 cars last year alone, expect to sell a million cars this year. Their battery, super charging infrastructure, and other technology has them years ahead of any other manufacturer. Tesla is totally going the way of the Delorean....
btw, Edmunds reviewed Tesla's EPA range estimates and found most of them to be BS.
Link - ( New Window )
I am seeing more and more of the smaller Tesla's every day. Sooner, rather than later, supercharging stations will be common and plentiful. I like the idea of electric.
I’ve gone from VA to VT several times this year. The Tesla’s trip plan for you showing where the chargers are along the way. They’re all along 95 and at a lot of groceries now. It’s a minor issue in the Acela corridor and it’s only getting better. Stop for lunch and you’re fully charged.
As for “if I forget to charge one day I’m screwed”? That’s nonsense, at least on the East Coast where i live. The lower the battery is, the faster it charges. So in 20 min or so it would take to get coffee, I can add 100 miles or more. My car holds 345 miles when full so it’s not a daily issue.
Plus: Oil changes? 0 Gas Stations? 0 Transmission fluid/changes? 0 Transmission problems? 0 Maintenance is basically tires, brakes, and wiper fluid.
And it accelerates like a MF. SO fun to drive. And it updates software and you get new features from time to time.
My dad was IN the transmission business (and an MIT engineer) and always thought the electric motor was better if batteries would catch up.
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And will never go to any EV until the infrastructure is there for charging stations/speed of charging.
Life's too short to be bothered with that now.
I spent more time pumping gas when i had a normal car than i spend waiting for my car to charge, because my car has a full charge every single day.
And one morning you wake up and forgot to charge the car. ooops... You're F'd.
While I wake up and forgot to get gas.. Weee! A couple of minutes at the gas station and I'm on my way.
See the difference?
Yeah not a feasible scenario...
The whole benefit is never waking up with that "oh crap I have to go get gas before work" feeling.
It's amazing.
Lots of variables, electricity costs and battery size. My Model 3 SR+ has a 60kW battery and a 240 mile range. At home I pay $0.12 per kW, so 0 to 100% charge would be $7.20, or $0.03 per mile. My nearest SuperCharger costs $0.29 per kW, so 0 to 100% would be $17.40, or $0.0725 per mile. That's mostly theoretical. I've never been at 0% and rarely charge to 100%.
Also worth noting, most of your braking is not using the brakes at all, but charging the battery instead. As a result your brakes will need service far less often. Most of my trips around town can be done without ever touching the brake pedal.
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Of fully charging a Tesla when at home, or having to pay to while on the road?
Lots of variables, electricity costs and battery size. My Model 3 SR+ has a 60kW battery and a 240 mile range. At home I pay $0.12 per kW, so 0 to 100% charge would be $7.20, or $0.03 per mile. My nearest SuperCharger costs $0.29 per kW, so 0 to 100% would be $17.40, or $0.0725 per mile. That's mostly theoretical. I've never been at 0% and rarely charge to 100%.
Thank you
Super fast charge too.
Hopefully they don't crash as much as their stock has.
In terms of EV range, if NIO ever decided to come stateside, their EVs would give Tesla a run for the money. They have their own innovations plus an infrastructure plan that solves the rare scenario that Stan posed. They have battery swap stations all over China that can swap out a depleted battery for a fully charged one in minutes(about the same time as filling up an ICE w/ gas). In addition to that, their new sedan will have a range of 1000km(about 620 mi) per charge.
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Sedan this year. SUV next year.
Super fast charge too.
Hopefully they don't crash as much as their stock has.
This is getting off topic a bit, so I apologize, but this is telling a small part of the story. Yea the stock has sold off 25% in the last 6-8 weeks, but it’s still up over 500% in the last 1Y and it’s essentially flat YTD.
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And will never go to any EV until the infrastructure is there for charging stations/speed of charging.
Life's too short to be bothered with that now.
I spent more time pumping gas when i had a normal car than i spend waiting for my car to charge, because my car has a full charge every single day.
And one morning you wake up and forgot to charge the car. ooops... You're F'd.
While I wake up and forgot to get gas.. Weee! A couple of minutes at the gas station and I'm on my way.
See the difference?
The OP asked for opinions from people who own EV. Since you're able to see the difference, I figure you'd know that
He just did a trip from NOVA to Tampa and used their trip planner that takes you by all the charging stations. I think he had to stop 5-6 times, but said it wasn't a big deal.
He just did a trip from NOVA to Tampa and used their trip planner that takes you by all the charging stations. I think he had to stop 5-6 times, but said it wasn't a big deal.
When you have to stop 5-6 times for a long time each it IS a big deal.
Sorry.