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The weakest position on the roster.

Spider56 : 4/6/2021 3:31 pm
Trying to be as objective as possible here ... I see 3 positions still needing significant upgrade going into the draft. 3. RB - History shows you can sign a decent vet later in the year, but I think we’ll see at least 1 taken in the later rounds. 2. RG - Neither Hernandez nor Lemieux have played on the right side so this is Zach Fulton’s position for now ... Day 2 pick.

1. I think the top need is an inside backer to play alongside Martinez and get upfield on the blitz ... Tae Crowder was a nice find and Ragland a good pickup, but this is where we need the most help. Micah Parsons would be ideal but if the baggage is real, is there another like him? Maybe Zavel Collins after a trade down. Any others ?

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I’m reading very good things about  
Big Blue '56 : 4/6/2021 3:40 pm : link
this Zaven Collins kid, fwiw.
This depends on how you are defining weakest  
DavidinBMNY : 4/6/2021 3:43 pm : link
Depth
Talent
or a combination of both.

I think Edge is the weakest position on the roster if you combine the two. OL is a close second, but the impact of that is worse then Edge which can be schemed for.

If it's a depth question then it's RB.
The uncertainty of the OL  
MarvelousMike : 4/6/2021 3:52 pm : link
RG and RT is unknown now and everyone is making educated guesses as to who will be there week 1 and what it will look like at end of season. Gates and Thomas "may" be the best bets to be where they were at end of last season being there at end of this upcoming season. When it comes down to the OL, I put it at as "must" out of must, wants, and needs choices. I thing a draft pick from the first three rounds will be added to the mix from the draft, but whom and what position is still debatable.
Their biggest issue  
JonC : 4/6/2021 3:54 pm : link
is the lack of talent and production from the Edge positions.

They're not consistently good at contain and setting the edge, or creating pass rush pressure off the edge, or forcing the run inside to support, or managing the damage after the ball hits the consistently collapsed edges of the defense. Way too many big plays, blown run fits, and allowing the offense to just roll down the field and score. If they can't improve these things, they'll continue to give up too many plays, points, leads, etc.

OL is the next big need set.
Weakest positions  
Gman11 : 4/6/2021 3:54 pm : link
Guard
Tight End (yes, I'm not sold on Rudolph)
Edge
CB (injury to Bradberry or Jackson and we're back to last year)
WR (Golladay is a nice addition, but same as CB. If he gets hurt it's back to last year)
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Peppers : 4/6/2021 3:59 pm : link
Easily the OL. A lot relies on the development of the younger guys but competition should be added.

Your two best EDGE players only played 4 weeks each last season and you added two in free agency.
Edge - OL - RB  
Johnny5 : 4/6/2021 4:12 pm : link
1) Edge
2) OL
3) RB
Hard to say at this time of the year...  
trueblueinpw : 4/6/2021 5:15 pm : link
But if I had to say, by position and not entire units.

RB as Barks is a huge question mark and a player that the entire team is counting on to be spectacular. There’s much that can go wrong at RB1 and even solid roll playing by the other RBs won’t be much of a factor to overall success.

QB. The Giants need Jones to be the man. He’s the 6 overall pick and he plays the most important position in the game. It Barkley can live up to his absurd potential that will take a lot pressure off of Jones. But let’s be clear here, Jones wasn’t drafted to be a game manager and he shouldn’t be playing second fiddle to a RB. Jones needs to do his part and be a playmaker and a star and if he’s not there’s obviously no hope for any other facet of the team.
RE: Their biggest issue  
section125 : 4/6/2021 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15211594 JonC said:
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is the lack of talent and production from the Edge positions.

They're not consistently good at contain and setting the edge, or creating pass rush pressure off the edge, or forcing the run inside to support, or managing the damage after the ball hits the consistently collapsed edges of the defense. Way too many big plays, blown run fits, and allowing the offense to just roll down the field and score. If they can't improve these things, they'll continue to give up too many plays, points, leads, etc.

OL is the next big need set.


I agree with what you say about the edge. If that is truly the case(it is) would Kwity Paye be the guy to draft? Stout against run and untapped pass rush ability...
Ideally Phillips would be, but I'd want no part of that concussion possibility at #11 (42, yes).
I agree with you about RG and ILB  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/6/2021 5:21 pm : link
The ILB position is absolutely key in this defense as it is for BB and Saban. I think Martinez is a nice player but I think they would like more of a impact from that spot. I am on board with Parsons.

RG definitely needs a upgrade. WFT has two outstanding players at DT and that matchup may be key in determining the division. Some of the insiders are saying the Giants like what they have but it seems very risky not addressing early in the draft. Interior pressure really messes with a QB and then you have Chase on the outside.
Yes...  
bw in dc : 4/6/2021 5:28 pm : link
RT, LG and RG.

And if Gates just had the year of a lifetime, which he may have, he could bounce and just return to JAG status. In which case C becomes a problem.

I know we invested a lot of draft capital in the OL, but there is nothing to feel positive about except some solid play in the second half by Thomas. Everything else? Purely hope and crossing our fingers...

But, hey, let's draft a WR at #11! ;)
I say the OL is the biggest need and its not even close  
Rudy5757 : 4/6/2021 5:29 pm : link
The OL will decide if the offense is good or bad this season. It will affect Jones and the passing game as well as the run game. Its very hard to scheme when your OL is terrible. Our inside guys are average at best in my opinion

I can see where people are concerned about the ERs but we were middle of the pack in sacks last year and pressure can be schemed especially with the improved secondary. While its a big need I believe we can get away with what we have if we cant find help in the draft.
Edge Rusher  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/6/2021 5:30 pm : link
and its not even close
RE: Yes...  
section125 : 4/6/2021 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15211735 bw in dc said:
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RT, LG and RG.

And if Gates just had the year of a lifetime, which he may have, he could bounce and just return to JAG status. In which case C becomes a problem.

I know we invested a lot of draft capital in the OL, but there is nothing to feel positive about except some solid play in the second half by Thomas. Everything else? Purely hope and crossing our fingers...

But, hey, let's draft a WR at #11! ;)


Holy crap are you a negative Nancy...Gates was pretty decent at RG and RT. Never played C in his life and in 8 games becomes a good center. Why would you think he would get worse rather than the more likely situation where he gets better learning technique, his reads and familiarity with the rest of the line.

I will grant you that RG and RT are dicey in my eyes too. But again, we do not see what Judge and staff see. But if WR is the BPA at #11 you take the BPA.
RE: I say the OL is the biggest need and its not even close  
bw in dc : 4/6/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15211737 Rudy5757 said:
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The OL will decide if the offense is good or bad this season. It will affect Jones and the passing game as well as the run game. Its very hard to scheme when your OL is terrible. Our inside guys are average at best in my opinion



I agree. Our defense is considerably less of a concern in '21 than creating the best environment to see if Jones is more than game manager.

We need better pass blocking and better run blocking because - and I've said too often - we need more points per game.

High end Edge rushers are over-rated. Give me pass rush by committee, which Graham did last year and in New England.
Very simple  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/6/2021 5:38 pm : link
1. Edge Rusher
2. Offensive Guard
RE: RE: Yes...  
bw in dc : 4/6/2021 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15211749 section125 said:
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Holy crap are you a negative Nancy...Gates was pretty decent at RG and RT. Never played C in his life and in 8 games becomes a good center. Why would you think he would get worse rather than the more likely situation where he gets better learning technique, his reads and familiarity with the rest of the line.


Look, I hope you are right. But NOBODY saw the type of year Gates had coming. NOBODY. Fans, coaches, DG, etc. I said after the end of the year that Gates was the Offensive MVP.

But I really don't know if he's going to do it again. I hope he does, but would you be surprised if he bounces and declines?
Funny that we need an OG and RB  
averagejoe : 4/6/2021 5:43 pm : link
after DG spent pick number two and pick 34 on OG and RB three years ago. Giants are still trying to compensate for DG's first draft. Barkley should never have been taken there and Hernandez has not worked out. I think ER by committee worked OK last year and the position of need is still OL.
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section125 : 4/6/2021 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15211760 bw in dc said:
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Holy crap are you a negative Nancy...Gates was pretty decent at RG and RT. Never played C in his life and in 8 games becomes a good center. Why would you think he would get worse rather than the more likely situation where he gets better learning technique, his reads and familiarity with the rest of the line.




Look, I hope you are right. But NOBODY saw the type of year Gates had coming. NOBODY. Fans, coaches, DG, etc. I said after the end of the year that Gates was the Offensive MVP.

But I really don't know if he's going to do it again. I hope he does, but would you be surprised if he bounces and declines?


Again, even if nobody saw it coming, doesn't it make a lot more sense he gets better, not worse? If a player moves to a position and shines without ant training and a limited camp why would you think he gets worse the following year, unless he gets injured.

And I doubt that the staff didn't see it coming or they would not have put him there. Which should also make you feel easier about the other players on the line that they could improve them, also...(ok a little wishful thinking - but not unlikely)
Edges on Defense  
Jimmy Googs : 4/6/2021 5:52 pm : link
and Tackles on Offense.

Or did you want go with QB?

No big deal, not very important positions...
Zaven Collins  
armstead98 : 4/6/2021 6:00 pm : link
Sign me up at 11.

Why are people not talking about him as the best edge guy in the draft? He seems bigger and more athletic than Olujari. He reminds me of Khalil Mack.
RE: Zaven Collins  
Angel Eyes : 4/6/2021 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15211786 armstead98 said:
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Sign me up at 11.

Why are people not talking about him as the best edge guy in the draft? He seems bigger and more athletic than Olujari. He reminds me of Khalil Mack.

He’s been talked of as more of an ILB type.
I think...  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 6:02 pm : link
EDGE and IOL are by far the weakest positions on the roster, AINEC


But yes, we could use a RB and ILB as well
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aGiantGuy : 4/6/2021 6:07 pm : link

It's interesting when people say Barkley was a bad pick because of positional value and then say we need to draft a RT or a future Guard with the 11th pick because OL> Everything. Contradiction. If you feel we need depth, I would agree, but Dallas didn't win shit with one of the best OL's ever.

Both the top tackles in this draft have 33' arms while both our top tackles have 36"+ arms. Soo no, I don't see Slater beating out Peart. Before Covid, Peart was kicking ass and even looked better than Thomas. Let the kid play.

There is no position besides Left Tackle that has more impact than Edge Rusher. Edge Rusher is our biggest need, by far. Then it's a toss up between a coverage Linebacker and a Guard.

Definitely draft a Guard, maybe draft a tackle, but do neither at 11.
I'm counting on  
Bill in UT : 4/6/2021 6:10 pm : link
Judge to figure this shit out
RE: Their biggest issue  
Old Blue : 4/6/2021 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15211594 JonC said:
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is the lack of talent and production from the Edge positions.

They're not consistently good at contain and setting the edge, or creating pass rush pressure off the edge, or forcing the run inside to support, or managing the damage after the ball hits the consistently collapsed edges of the defense. Way too many big plays, blown run fits, and allowing the offense to just roll down the field and score. If they can't improve these things, they'll continue to give up too many plays, points, leads, etc.

OL is the next big need set.


The BIGGEST issue, and lack of talent, and production is, and has been the HUMPTY Dumpty Oline, and if not improved the offense will not improve, and if the offense doesn’t improve the team won’t improve no matter how many additions they make to the other positions either on offense, or on defense.
I can’t agree with Collins at 11.  
Giant John : 4/6/2021 6:29 pm : link
And there are no DE’s that are rated that highly. We have to draft to the strength of the draft which means best player available.
RE: RE: Their biggest issue  
aGiantGuy : 4/6/2021 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15211818 Old Blue said:
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is the lack of talent and production from the Edge positions.

They're not consistently good at contain and setting the edge, or creating pass rush pressure off the edge, or forcing the run inside to support, or managing the damage after the ball hits the consistently collapsed edges of the defense. Way too many big plays, blown run fits, and allowing the offense to just roll down the field and score. If they can't improve these things, they'll continue to give up too many plays, points, leads, etc.

OL is the next big need set.



The BIGGEST issue, and lack of talent, and production is, and has been the HUMPTY Dumpty Oline, and if not improved the offense will not improve, and if the offense doesn’t improve the team won’t improve no matter how many additions they make to the other positions either on offense, or on defense.


But from 2019>2020, our offense got worse, same receivers, lost saquon, Jones was hit more often... but our team was better... Look no further than the Defense
This whole myth  
TommyWiseau : 4/6/2021 6:33 pm : link
That arm length is everything for an Offebsive lineman has got to stop. Bakhtiari has 34 inch arms, Mitchell Schwartz 33.5 inches, La'el Collins 33.25, Ramczyk 33.75, Taylor Lewan 33.75, Braden Smith 32.25 and the list goes on and on.
And I would take  
TommyWiseau : 4/6/2021 6:34 pm : link
Most of these guys over our 36" tackles
RE: This whole myth  
aGiantGuy : 4/6/2021 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15211829 TommyWiseau said:
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That arm length is everything for an Offebsive lineman has got to stop. Bakhtiari has 34 inch arms, Mitchell Schwartz 33.5 inches, La'el Collins 33.25, Ramczyk 33.75, Taylor Lewan 33.75, Braden Smith 32.25 and the list goes on and on.


Keep it going... Tyron Smith 36 3/8, Trent Williams 34.25, Ronnie Stanley 35 5/8, Orlando Brown JR 35”, Trent Brown 36”, Andrew Whitworth 35”. You tell me which group of tackles you’d rather have.
...  
christian : 4/6/2021 7:10 pm : link
Inside linebacker is a black hole. You have Martinez at middle, and then no depth and no one next to him. If Blake Martinez misses a game, good luck.
Wiseau  
aGiantGuy : 4/6/2021 7:19 pm : link
All those guys you listed, besides Braden Smith, have longer arms than Slater. Slater can probably live at tackle, but he’d dominate at Guard.

And that’s really my point, if you draft Slater and have him start at RT, you just killed the higher upside prospect in Peart.

On the contrary, Slater could be a top 5 guard in football, but does that have more value than a potential top 5 LB in Parsons or a top 5 receiver in Devonta Smith? IMO, no, I’m more comfortable with Shane Lemiux starting than I am with Tae Davis, and we’re likely going to disagree on that point
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TommyWiseau : 4/6/2021 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15211841 aGiantGuy said:
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That arm length is everything for an Offebsive lineman has got to stop. Bakhtiari has 34 inch arms, Mitchell Schwartz 33.5 inches, La'el Collins 33.25, Ramczyk 33.75, Taylor Lewan 33.75, Braden Smith 32.25 and the list goes on and on.



Keep it going... Tyron Smith 36 3/8, Trent Williams 34.25, Ronnie Stanley 35 5/8, Orlando Brown JR 35”, Trent Brown 36”, Andrew Whitworth 35”. You tell me which group of tackles you’d rather have.


I would take Bakhtari over all of the players you listed but that's not the point.Arm length is not the end all be all factor on whether the player is going to be good or not. 35+ is considered "long" by NFL standards.. yet you listed Trent Williams which who has about average arm length.
RE: RE: This whole myth  
bw in dc : 4/6/2021 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15211841 aGiantGuy said:
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That arm length is everything for an Offebsive lineman has got to stop. Bakhtiari has 34 inch arms, Mitchell Schwartz 33.5 inches, La'el Collins 33.25, Ramczyk 33.75, Taylor Lewan 33.75, Braden Smith 32.25 and the list goes on and on.



Keep it going... Tyron Smith 36 3/8, Trent Williams 34.25, Ronnie Stanley 35 5/8, Orlando Brown JR 35”, Trent Brown 36”, Andrew Whitworth 35”. You tell me which group of tackles you’d rather have.


You're kidding, right?

Bakhtiari is the best T in football. Schwartz and Ramczyk are great, too.

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section125 : 4/6/2021 7:27 pm : link
In comment 15211891 bw in dc said:
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That arm length is everything for an Offebsive lineman has got to stop. Bakhtiari has 34 inch arms, Mitchell Schwartz 33.5 inches, La'el Collins 33.25, Ramczyk 33.75, Taylor Lewan 33.75, Braden Smith 32.25 and the list goes on and on.



Keep it going... Tyron Smith 36 3/8, Trent Williams 34.25, Ronnie Stanley 35 5/8, Orlando Brown JR 35”, Trent Brown 36”, Andrew Whitworth 35”. You tell me which group of tackles you’d rather have.



You're kidding, right?

Bakhtiari is the best T in football. Schwartz and Ramczyk are great, too.



Bakhtiari is the best OT in football? Who knew.

Look the point is longer arms are better and on that list only one was under 33". There are exceptions to every rule but I agree the arm thing is a bit overplayed. Yet today Bobby Skinner did bring it up about Slater needing to overcome it.
RE: RE: RE: This whole myth  
aGiantGuy : 4/6/2021 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15211891 bw in dc said:
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That arm length is everything for an Offebsive lineman has got to stop. Bakhtiari has 34 inch arms, Mitchell Schwartz 33.5 inches, La'el Collins 33.25, Ramczyk 33.75, Taylor Lewan 33.75, Braden Smith 32.25 and the list goes on and on.



Keep it going... Tyron Smith 36 3/8, Trent Williams 34.25, Ronnie Stanley 35 5/8, Orlando Brown JR 35”, Trent Brown 36”, Andrew Whitworth 35”. You tell me which group of tackles you’d rather have.



You're kidding, right?

Bakhtiari is the best T in football. Schwartz and Ramczyk are great, too.


My argument isn’t that smaller arm length prospects don’t make it, my argument is why draft Tristan Wirfs to play over a potential Taylor Moton, pay him more money, use more resources, and then have Oshane Ximines as your starting edge rusher when the season begins.

Does positional value matter or not
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bw in dc : 4/6/2021 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15211897 section125 said:
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Bakhtiari is the best OT in football? Who knew.

Look the point is longer arms are better and on that list only one was under 33". There are exceptions to every rule but I agree the arm thing is a bit overplayed. Yet today Bobby Skinner did bring it up about Slater needing to overcome it.


Arm length for tackles is getting as insignificant as QB height.
This is overplayed every year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/6/2021 7:36 pm : link
Here are the tackles from the All-Pro and Pro-Bowl teams from the last five seasons and their arm lengths

Name Arm Length
Ryan Clady 36 3/4
Tyron Smith 36 3/8
Russell Okung 36
Jake Long 35 7/8
D'Brickashaw Ferguson 35 1/2
Andrew Whitworth 35
Jermon Bushrod 34 1/2
Trent Williams 34 1/4
Matt Kalil 34 1/4
Michael Roos 33 5/8
Brandon Albert 33 5/8
Joe Staley 33 1/2
Duane Brown 33 1/4
Sebastion Vollmer 33 1/4
Jordan Gross 33 1/4
Matt Light 33 1/4
Jason Peters 33 1/8
Chad Clifton 33
Tyson Clabo 33
Donald Penn 33
Joe Thomas 32 1/2

According to Arrowhead Pride's Kent Swanson, the average arm length of a tackle for head coach Andy Reid is 34 1/4 inches. When comparing that to the top 20 tackles in this year's draft, only six meet or exceed that measurement.

Arm length won't make or break a prospect, though, Mora said. While it's certainly an important trait, there are other qualities for offensive linemen that should be taken into consideration.

"It's not the most important thing," [Jim Mora Jr] said. "If you said I could have a guy with 35-inch arms but he had average feet and average lateral quickness then I would say, 'Well, I don't know, what's my alternative?' Then say, 'OK, you can have a guy with 33 1/2-inch arms with great lateral quickness.' I'd take the 33 1/2-inch arms with lateral quickness every single day. But the thing about the NFL is we're always talking fractions of inches in a difference between a play being made and a play not being made."
Those tackles and arm lengths were from a 2015 story  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/6/2021 7:37 pm : link
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Regarding oline/guard and specifically left guard  
BSIMatt : 4/6/2021 7:51 pm : link
Pat Traina had a pretty interesting guest on her podcast, the guy was a former scout for Giants and some other NFL teams, I believe he said he scouted Hernandez while he was still working in NFL He was asked explicitly about Hernandez and what his thoughts were, his answer was pretty interesting. It’s about 30 minutes in.
Former NFL Scout David Turner On Giants FA/Draft - ( New Window )
RE: Hard to say at this time of the year...  
Bill L : 4/6/2021 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15211711 trueblueinpw said:
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But if I had to say, by position and not entire units.

RB as Barks is a huge question mark and a player that the entire team is counting on to be spectacular. There’s much that can go wrong at RB1 and even solid roll playing by the other RBs won’t be much of a factor to overall success.

QB. The Giants need Jones to be the man. He’s the 6 overall pick and he plays the most important position in the game. It Barkley can live up to his absurd potential that will take a lot pressure off of Jones. But let’s be clear here, Jones wasn’t drafted to be a game manager and he shouldn’t be playing second fiddle to a RB. Jones needs to do his part and be a playmaker and a star and if he’s not there’s obviously no hope for any other facet of the team.

+1/2. I’d say one but I think WR is thinner.
RE: Regarding oline/guard and specifically left guard  
Bill L : 4/6/2021 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15211927 BSIMatt said:
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Pat Traina had a pretty interesting guest on her podcast, the guy was a former scout for Giants and some other NFL teams, I believe he said he scouted Hernandez while he was still working in NFL He was asked explicitly about Hernandez and what his thoughts were, his answer was pretty interesting. It’s about 30 minutes in. Former NFL Scout David Turner On Giants FA/Draft - ( New Window )


Like I always ask the teacher before the test, “can’t you just tell us the answer?”
Distilled down  
BSIMatt : 4/6/2021 8:04 pm : link
He said that continuity on an offensive line is a big deal, and that turnover and shaky play at LT as well as center his first few years hasn’t helped him. Also, for Giants trying out a new oline in 2020, those were the players that needed to be on the field together getting reps as a unit more than anyone, due to the new faces and with covid restrictions severely limiting that time it certainly didnt help them. Also made the point about Giants plan going in was to be a run first team behind Barkley and the makeup of the offense was significantly altered with his injury. That’s the gist of it, sure I might have missed something.
Oh Boy  
aGiantGuy : 4/6/2021 8:06 pm : link
If I create a list of all the successful college tackles that had to move to Guard in the NFL, it’d be much longer than any list of successful tackles with 33” arms or less.

Either way, I’m not going to do that

If there really is no correlation to arm length and OT success, then why not trade back, draft Vera-Tucker mid first round and Jabril Cox in the third... all with the same pick we would just be taking Slater with. Two birds, one stone. After all, Vera-Tucker had the best 2020 college film out of all the OT prospects.
RE: Distilled down  
Bill L : 4/6/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15211945 BSIMatt said:
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He said that continuity on an offensive line is a big deal, and that turnover and shaky play at LT as well as center his first few years hasn’t helped him. Also, for Giants trying out a new oline in 2020, those were the players that needed to be on the field together getting reps as a unit more than anyone, due to the new faces and with covid restrictions severely limiting that time it certainly didnt help them. Also made the point about Giants plan going in was to be a run first team behind Barkley and the makeup of the offense was significantly altered with his injury. That’s the gist of it, sure I might have missed something.

I always believed that about continuity. I still do. But Judge doesn’t seem to with his rotating OL approach.
Both Guard spots, Edge and ILB opposite Martinez....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/6/2021 9:05 pm : link
....are our biggest needs IMO.
Hernandez has played right Guard  
blueblood : 4/6/2021 9:06 pm : link
he started doing it last year.
RE: RE: Zaven Collins  
armstead98 : 4/6/2021 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15211789 Angel Eyes said:
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Sign me up at 11.

Why are people not talking about him as the best edge guy in the draft? He seems bigger and more athletic than Olujari. He reminds me of Khalil Mack.


He’s been talked of as more of an ILB type.


Yeah, I didn’t phrase it well but what I meant is, he seems like the most athletic defensive player in the draft. I get why a small school had him in the middle, he could impact the game the most there. But if he’s gone to a big school and played edge, I think he’d be the top rusher in the draft, I think he can do it all.

Sign me up for the Khalil Mack 2.0
Tae Crowder  
RAIN : 4/6/2021 10:57 pm : link
Was very good as a rookie. I think Chaz Suratt would be a great get, but as other people have mentioned.. edge is the bigger need.

I do agree their is a spot on the outside to replace Zo Carter, Fackrell, Ximines... group. That is edge tho.
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