Trying to be as objective as possible here ... I see 3 positions still needing significant upgrade going into the draft. 3. RB - History shows you can sign a decent vet later in the year, but I think we’ll see at least 1 taken in the later rounds. 2. RG - Neither Hernandez nor Lemieux have played on the right side so this is Zach Fulton’s position for now ... Day 2 pick.
1. I think the top need is an inside backer to play alongside Martinez and get upfield on the blitz ... Tae Crowder was a nice find and Ragland a good pickup, but this is where we need the most help. Micah Parsons would be ideal but if the baggage is real, is there another like him? Maybe Zavel Collins after a trade down. Any others ?
I can see where people are concerned about the ERs but we were middle of the pack in sacks last year and pressure can be schemed especially with the improved secondary. While its a big need I believe we can get away with what we have if we cant find help in the draft.
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Eliminating QB it's OL, OL, OL.
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He said that continuity on an offensive line is a big deal, and that turnover and shaky play at LT as well as center his first few years hasn’t helped him. Also, for Giants trying out a new oline in 2020, those were the players that needed to be on the field together getting reps as a unit more than anyone, due to the new faces and with covid restrictions severely limiting that time it certainly didnt help them. Also made the point about Giants plan going in was to be a run first team behind Barkley and the makeup of the offense was significantly altered with his injury. That’s the gist of it, sure I might have missed something.
I always believed that about continuity. I still do. But Judge doesn’t seem to with his rotating OL approach.
Hmm, not sure Bill. I think really he had to see what he had. He probably gave up some continuity to get his young guys feet wet and see if they were players they could rely on moving forward. I am going to guess once the starters are fully established that will probably not happen as much. But who knows.
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is the lack of talent and production from the Edge positions.
They're not consistently good at contain and setting the edge, or creating pass rush pressure off the edge, or forcing the run inside to support, or managing the damage after the ball hits the consistently collapsed edges of the defense. Way too many big plays, blown run fits, and allowing the offense to just roll down the field and score. If they can't improve these things, they'll continue to give up too many plays, points, leads, etc.
OL is the next big need set.
The BIGGEST issue, and lack of talent, and production is, and has been the HUMPTY Dumpty Oline, and if not improved the offense will not improve, and if the offense doesn’t improve the team won’t improve no matter how many additions they make to the other positions either on offense, or on defense.
This sounds awfully familiar, what was your prior handle?
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is the lack of talent and production from the Edge positions.
They're not consistently good at contain and setting the edge, or creating pass rush pressure off the edge, or forcing the run inside to support, or managing the damage after the ball hits the consistently collapsed edges of the defense. Way too many big plays, blown run fits, and allowing the offense to just roll down the field and score. If they can't improve these things, they'll continue to give up too many plays, points, leads, etc.
OL is the next big need set.
I agree with what you say about the edge. If that is truly the case(it is) would Kwity Paye be the guy to draft? Stout against run and untapped pass rush ability...
Ideally Phillips would be, but I'd want no part of that concussion possibility at #11 (42, yes).
The problem with Paye is I don't see untapped potential for a 3-4 OLB. He looks more like a 4-3 DE to me, don't love him at #11 especially.
With the playoffs on the line the Giants gave you
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74
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125 yard rushing performances.
Daniel Jones was sacked 14 times in his final 3 games of the year.
The offense scored 7,6, 13, and 23 points in the final 4 games.
To me the weak spot is still the OL. Guard and RT are unproven and won't be hidden like the edge guys. If there's one positional player we should all be hoping emerges out of seemingly nowhere, it's Peart at RT.
We had 40 sacks last year. If the OL rushed for 2000 yards and allowed below sack #s we would be singing a different tune, but that's not what happened in 2020.
Not simply the pass rush but as has been pointed out, a capable Force player. The Giants are loaded with the ability to spill but the edges are soft. Be it Zone Read miscues, bootlegs, the occasional Jet and even taking on a pulling G or TE/FB in the power game, the edges have been poor.
There is also no one that the opposing OL is worried about on passing downs.
We truly do not know what the Giants have on the OLine. I'm content to see what JJ sees in them and look forward to improvement in 2021.
Not simply the pass rush but as has been pointed out, a capable Force player. The Giants are loaded with the ability to spill but the edges are soft. Be it Zone Read miscues, bootlegs, the occasional Jet and even taking on a pulling G or TE/FB in the power game, the edges have been poor.
There is also no one that the opposing OL is worried about on passing downs.
We truly do not know what the Giants have on the OLine. I'm content to see what JJ sees in them and look forward to improvement in 2021.
You know you’re in trouble when you have to put David Mayo as a SAM linebacker. That Ravens game last year...
1) Edge
2) ILB
3) IOL
Giants need a starter or immediate high impact player from this draft at each of these three positions to be a playoff team. As much as I would love another wide receiver, it would be a "nice to have" rather than a "must have" for this year. Clearly, if a 2021 playoff run is not the highest priority, then selecting players with higher ceilings or drafting best players available at positions where we currently have some strength/depth might be a better approach.
I for one would like to see playoff football this year rather than celebrating another year of moral victories and modest progress.
But, not at #11, unless it's Sewell. I think the value at #11 is WR, CB, Edge. OL will factor in starting at #42, imo.
That's a little like saying that if you have a good short passing game that you don't need a good RB.
I'd bet that Graham/Judge would prefer to have a stud at edge.
That said, as I mentioned, pass rush is not all that an OLD is required to do.
You mentioned a couple of guys that could be good players, but given the opportunity to upgrade...upgrade.
Not simply the pass rush but as has been pointed out, a capable Force player. The Giants are loaded with the ability to spill but the edges are soft. Be it Zone Read miscues, bootlegs, the occasional Jet and even taking on a pulling G or TE/FB in the power game, the edges have been poor.
There is also no one that the opposing OL is worried about on passing downs.
We truly do not know what the Giants have on the OLine. I'm content to see what JJ sees in them and look forward to improvement in 2021.
In that case, what’s the problem? Is that diagnosing speed by players? Bad coaching? And how do you fix it?
YEa but it didn't really hurt the defense. The OL did in fact hurt the offense. The offense was ranked near the bottom. The defense was ranked above average.
Plus, we have done a good job of getting something out of the one year stop gaps like Fackrel and Golden. Now we have the latest guy, Robinson (i think that's his name)
The D is very good on paper if you think Jackson will stabilize the corner position. The secondary has never been deeper in my lifetime. The DL is very good.
The OL needs a starter unless you think Peart is the goods and the guards are ready. MAybe they are. I'll believe that when I see it. If I had to add one stud to this team, i am adding a stud OLineman. We have numbers at edge. We have guys there that can at least play at a respectable level. We don't know what we have along the OL.
I just want a player in rounds 1-2. Get me two good starters and I will be happy, don't care where they play, really.
They need finishers, and they are often in the front seven getting to the QB. They're doing well building the backend and found a legit ILB in Martinez. Keep adding to it as the draft provides.
OL will factor in at #42.