John Flanigan
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
John Flanigan
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
I hope not. Had DeGrom gone 7 and Castro pitched the 8th we likely aren't in the situation we were last night
John Flanigan
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
I hope not. Had DeGrom gone 7 and Castro pitched the 8th we likely aren't in the situation we were last night
John Flanigan
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
I hope not. Had DeGrom gone 7 and Castro pitched the 8th we likely aren't in the situation we were last night
deGrom should have definitely pitched the 7th but I think May is the 8th inning guy regardless in that situation. Castro likely gets skipped. The pen was rocky in the 8th but Loup still only allowed two weakly hit grounders after the Harper plunk to RH hitters. He should have gotten out of that. The Guillorme/McCann play is still bugging me..
I also think we left a lot of runs on the board early. Rojas should have definitely gone for the kill by pinch hitting Smith with the bases loaded. He still had Almora on the bench for late inning defense. Terrible decision .
John Flanigan
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
I hope not. Had DeGrom gone 7 and Castro pitched the 8th we likely aren't in the situation we were last night
deGrom should have definitely pitched the 7th but I think May is the 8th inning guy regardless in that situation. Castro likely gets skipped. The pen was rocky in the 8th but Loup still only allowed two weakly hit grounders after the Harper plunk to RH hitters. He should have gotten out of that. The Guillorme/McCann play is still bugging me..
I also think we left a lot of runs on the board early. Rojas should have definitely gone for the kill by pinch hitting Smith with the bases loaded. He still had Almora on the bench for late inning defense. Terrible decision .
At best you can argue 6th. But there's a good case for every other hitter above him after that. The lineup is just that deep.
I would leave Conforto 5th in a better RBI position where he's succeeded. So that leaves McNeil or Dom 3rd and the other 7th. I can definitely see where Dom could make sense 3rd.
Hopefully this is the essence of the main lineup and Dom, Conforto, and McNeil are interchangeable based on the hot hand.
cost them the game last night (and I've defended him) his game feel was HORRIBLE. Pillar over Dom, Pillar hitting lead-off (Nimmo 8th), the worst Pillar vs. a RH (when he flat out said Dom would replace him vs. a righty) which have broken the game open. He also said DeGrom could throw "around 100 pitches". Given who he is, it's not impossible he had 2 innings left in him (23 or so pitches) and certainly a shot at 3+ more outs. He defended the Pillar decision with "I thought he would come through for us" and commenting on defense.. uh, they have Almora who can go in there for Dom late.
In a sports email chat I'm in, this one Mets fan said deGrom's ERA since '18 is like 2, but the Mets have a losing record in his starts. That's UFB. I hope that doesn't hurt his HOF resume.
I was at a Mets Nats game in 2017 or 2018 & the Nats won 2-1. deGrom pitched 7 or 8 incredible innings & singled in the Mets only run. He can't catch a break.
My lineup philosophy would be to start by getting the best players up top and near each other so the best players get the best pitches in the spots where the pitchers least want to put guys on base with walks.
IMO that would probably start with Lindor + Alonso at 2+3 and then building out from there.
Conforto and Dom would be candidates to hit 4th/5th. McNeil and Nimmo candidates to hit 1st. Maybe let matchups and who is swinging the bat better determine those decisions.
But as long as they stick to that general talent pool like they did tonight I'm ok with it. Don't get cute playing a lesser talent like Pillar at the top last night unless there's a damn good reason.
Rojas feels the need to go to Castro with a 5 run lead. If that is the case, Castro’s arm is going to fall off. You have to at least be able to trust a Familia in that situation
Aaron Heilman when you need him - a guy who can pitch 70 games a year and most of the time be extremely reliable. 6th inning, 7th inning, 8th inning, whatever you need.
Until Lugo gets back the 7th and 8th innings will be a circus.
When he comes back, just the 7th (hopefully) will be a circus.
and who knows about the 9th, should be better, but who knows.
obviously just two games, so no overreaction, but given how these first two games went buy a lot of valium or xanax for the season.
It seems like it's always an adventure with the bullpen every year, but this feel like a special kind of adventure is awaiting us.
Meh.. I think the layoff is really understated all around for the team. These guys just haven't gotten work..looks like the hitters finally started getting a little more comfortable today.
May is going to be better... Lugo will come back.. we haven't even seen Diaz yet..I'm not sure it's time to freak out just yet.
it's not freak out time the offense is going to win a lot of games
and the bullpen isn't going to look this bad when they are facing teams that don't have Realmuto, Harper, Bohm, etc.
but the roster does have some clear weaknesses. the defense gives up way too many extra outs and too many in the BP have poor control and/or difficulty with the long ball.
Hopefully Rojas has now learned his lesson early on re: lineups - get the best players in there and let them do what they do. Let Nimmo draw walks at the top and then get Lindor, Alonso, and Smith as many at bats as possible.
But can't be comfortable with what we have seen so far.
The bullpen/blown saves cost us the playoffs last year.
This is a really tough division and it's going to be a razor thin margin.
Can't be blowing leads or extending games, this game should have been over 45 minutes before it was.
Diaz warmed up twice that not good for any pitcher especially when we had a 5 run lead
RE: it's not freak out time the offense is going to win a lot of games
Hopefully Rojas has now learned his lesson early on re: lineups - get the best players in there and let them do what they do. Let Nimmo draw walks at the top and then get Lindor, Alonso, and Smith as many at bats as possible.
Nimmo leadoff and Dom in the lineup paid such immediate dividends that you gotta hope this is the case. Lineup is so talented - just go chalk and don't cute.
is right of course, but it seems like this is always the case the with Familia lately, if it's not a walk or a HR it's bad luck.
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For those of you hating on Familia for last night... dude gave up a chopper and a blooper... got a little flustered and tried to do too much against Harper... but he threw the ball well aside from that walk. Hoskins 2b came off the bat at 52 mph...
😂
that's a big part of the bad luck when it comes to balls in play not turning into outs (including the near double play to end the game yesterday). It might even be in part why he goes outside the strike zone so much.
But that's also a big selling point - unlike just about everyone else in the pen including Diaz he has not given up an excessive amount of homers in his career. He still has his velocity/movement so it really comes down to limiting the walks and allowing weak contact. Some bad luck singles/bloops can be lived with imo.
Also hopefully by the time he gets in games the IF defense will be Guillorme, Lindor, McNeil and he can develop confidence in the guys behind him.
with high confidence and low pressure maybe he can succeed for stretches. But ultimately he throws a straight fastball with a lot of velocity and good big league hitters are going to turn on it even faster.
c'mon...that's a bit of a stretch. All relievers? Familia has been downright bad for awhile now. And for some reason, the Mets seem to think that he is somehow going to get back to his dominant year. It's never happening.
c'mon...that's a bit of a stretch. All relievers? Familia has been downright bad for awhile now. And for some reason, the Mets seem to think that he is somehow going to get back to his dominant year. It's never happening.
Ok all relievers other than Mariano Rivera?
And I'm not saying Familia hasn't been bad. He absolutely has. Just pointing out that Diaz has been a roller coaster even when he's been good. Even Lugo has been a roller coaster at times. Chapman has had his moments. Look at what Will Smith got paid last year and then how he performed. And Hendriks in this first week. That is the nature of high leverage relief pitching for everyone other than Mariano.
but there's a massive difference between Familia and the guys you mentioned. The top 20 type relievers are way more good than bad, they will have the occasional awful game and you live with it, it happens.
looks shot. Can't throw strikes when he has to. He had 2 straight bad seasons without any velocity loss. Very hard to see him having anything better than a mediocre season and THAT would be an upgrade.
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said Jeff McNeil is hitting seventh tonight because the team likes the balance in the lineup.@Metsmerized
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
I hope not. Had DeGrom gone 7 and Castro pitched the 8th we likely aren't in the situation we were last night
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
I hope not. Had DeGrom gone 7 and Castro pitched the 8th we likely aren't in the situation we were last night
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John Flanigan
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
I hope not. Had DeGrom gone 7 and Castro pitched the 8th we likely aren't in the situation we were last night
deGrom should have definitely pitched the 7th but I think May is the 8th inning guy regardless in that situation. Castro likely gets skipped. The pen was rocky in the 8th but Loup still only allowed two weakly hit grounders after the Harper plunk to RH hitters. He should have gotten out of that. The Guillorme/McCann play is still bugging me..
I also think we left a lot of runs on the board early. Rojas should have definitely gone for the kill by pinch hitting Smith with the bases loaded. He still had Almora on the bench for late inning defense. Terrible decision .
Oh well. New day.
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John Flanigan
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said similar to Jacob deGrom last night, Marcus Stroman will be treated as he goes in game.
“Let’s see the stress of the innings, the pitch count, different things like that, how they go inning to inning and we’ll know when he’ll come out.”@Metsmerized
I hope not. Had DeGrom gone 7 and Castro pitched the 8th we likely aren't in the situation we were last night
deGrom should have definitely pitched the 7th but I think May is the 8th inning guy regardless in that situation. Castro likely gets skipped. The pen was rocky in the 8th but Loup still only allowed two weakly hit grounders after the Harper plunk to RH hitters. He should have gotten out of that. The Guillorme/McCann play is still bugging me..
I also think we left a lot of runs on the board early. Rojas should have definitely gone for the kill by pinch hitting Smith with the bases loaded. He still had Almora on the bench for late inning defense. Terrible decision .
Oh well. New day.
@jflan816
Luis Rojas said Jeff McNeil is hitting seventh tonight because the team likes the balance in the lineup.@Metsmerized
I understand the balance but damn... best 7 hitter in baseball?
At best you can argue 6th. But there's a good case for every other hitter above him after that. The lineup is just that deep.
I would leave Conforto 5th in a better RBI position where he's succeeded. So that leaves McNeil or Dom 3rd and the other 7th. I can definitely see where Dom could make sense 3rd.
Hopefully this is the essence of the main lineup and Dom, Conforto, and McNeil are interchangeable based on the hot hand.
I was at a Mets Nats game in 2017 or 2018 & the Nats won 2-1. deGrom pitched 7 or 8 incredible innings & singled in the Mets only run. He can't catch a break.
My lineup philosophy would be to start by getting the best players up top and near each other so the best players get the best pitches in the spots where the pitchers least want to put guys on base with walks.
IMO that would probably start with Lindor + Alonso at 2+3 and then building out from there.
Conforto and Dom would be candidates to hit 4th/5th. McNeil and Nimmo candidates to hit 1st. Maybe let matchups and who is swinging the bat better determine those decisions.
But as long as they stick to that general talent pool like they did tonight I'm ok with it. Don't get cute playing a lesser talent like Pillar at the top last night unless there's a damn good reason.
Amen to that.
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Wins.
Until Lugo gets back the 7th and 8th innings will be a circus.
When he comes back, just the 7th (hopefully) will be a circus.
and who knows about the 9th, should be better, but who knows.
obviously just two games, so no overreaction, but given how these first two games went buy a lot of valium or xanax for the season.
@jyamaz50
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I know first hand why you shouldn’t throw a change up 2-0 to Pete!! Did it once and never again did that happen
Meh.. I think the layoff is really understated all around for the team. These guys just haven't gotten work..looks like the hitters finally started getting a little more comfortable today.
May is going to be better... Lugo will come back.. we haven't even seen Diaz yet..I'm not sure it's time to freak out just yet.
but the roster does have some clear weaknesses. the defense gives up way too many extra outs and too many in the BP have poor control and/or difficulty with the long ball.
Hopefully Rojas has now learned his lesson early on re: lineups - get the best players in there and let them do what they do. Let Nimmo draw walks at the top and then get Lindor, Alonso, and Smith as many at bats as possible.
The bullpen/blown saves cost us the playoffs last year.
This is a really tough division and it's going to be a razor thin margin.
Can't be blowing leads or extending games, this game should have been over 45 minutes before it was.
Diaz warmed up twice that not good for any pitcher especially when we had a 5 run lead
Nimmo leadoff and Dom in the lineup paid such immediate dividends that you gotta hope this is the case. Lineup is so talented - just go chalk and don't cute.
@Anthony_Recker
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For those of you hating on Familia for last night... dude gave up a chopper and a blooper... got a little flustered and tried to do too much against Harper... but he threw the ball well aside from that walk. Hoskins 2b came off the bat at 52 mph...
😂
But that's also a big selling point - unlike just about everyone else in the pen including Diaz he has not given up an excessive amount of homers in his career. He still has his velocity/movement so it really comes down to limiting the walks and allowing weak contact. Some bad luck singles/bloops can be lived with imo.
Also hopefully by the time he gets in games the IF defense will be Guillorme, Lindor, McNeil and he can develop confidence in the guys behind him.
all relievers are some level of a roller coaster ride.
Ok all relievers other than Mariano Rivera?
And I'm not saying Familia hasn't been bad. He absolutely has. Just pointing out that Diaz has been a roller coaster even when he's been good. Even Lugo has been a roller coaster at times. Chapman has had his moments. Look at what Will Smith got paid last year and then how he performed. And Hendriks in this first week. That is the nature of high leverage relief pitching for everyone other than Mariano.
Familia is a nightmare every single time.