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Selecting a QB in the middle rounds

Anakim : 4/6/2021 5:58 pm
I know it's been discussed quite a bit on here. There are some really good QB "projects" that have potential to be eventual starters, namely Davis Mills of Stanford, Kellen Mond of Texas A& M and Jamie Newman of Wake Forest and Georgia, but I don't think we should go down that road for two reasons:

1) How will you know what you have that in that QB? Let's play worse case scenario: DJ and the offense struggle so badly that DJ is benched. Chances are Judge will want to go with the veteran Glennon to run the offense over a rookie QB just getting his feet wet. If the idea is to be competitive, then you really roll the dice with a veteran over an unproven rookie. And even if the rookie does get some snaps, what are the chances that he actually performs well in his rookie season, especially if he's seen as a project?


2) Taking a QB in the middle rounds will not preclude and should not preclude you from taking an exceptional QB talent in the first round, if A) you're looking for your franchise QB and you're in a position to take one in the first round; and B) that middle-round QB you took prior has no NFL snaps to his resume.

I'll even take it a step further:

Again, worse case scenario: this season, DJ struggles; offense struggles; team struggles; we miss the playoffs again. It's clear Daniel Jones is not the guy; Jason Garrett is replaced and Dave Gettleman is fired. And let's say the rookie QB gets some playing time this season and flashes a bit, but not consistently. Depending on how much he shows, do you think the new GM will want that guy as the starting QB heading into next season or would he rather draft his own guy?


We've seen this before. Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta had some first round buzz early in the draft process and we eventually took them in the third and fourth round, respectively. I would imagine some of our scouts and even some BBIers thought that one of them may wind up as the successor to Eli. Well, those turned out to be wasted draft picks. They never saw the field and we gave up on them earlier than anticipated.
And it's not just limited to the Football Giants. It's a theme in general. For every Dak Prescott that you happen to find, there are way more Ryan Finleys, Christian Hackenbergs, Connor Cooks and Cardale Joneses, who don't even finish their rookie contracts.

If we draft Mills, Mond or Newman and in 2022 we find ourselves with a new GM and looking for a new franchise QB, would you rather take Sam Howell or Spencer Rattler or roll with a complete unknown (because he never got any snaps) like Mills, Mond, or Newman?
We have many  
Bill in UT : 4/6/2021 6:08 pm : link
holes to fill to piss away a pick on a QB wet dream
i'm with it especially  
Platos : 4/6/2021 6:08 pm : link
if Jones falls flat on his face even with an improved offense. draft a mid rounder and keep him around as the backup instead of spending good cap space on a "name" guy.
This must be stupid thread day  
Chip : 4/6/2021 6:16 pm : link
lets trade pick 11 for 50.
RE: This must be stupid thread day  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 6:23 pm : link
In comment 15211812 Chip said:
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lets trade pick 11 for 50.



What?
Fingers crossed for a good UDFA prospect  
Giantology : 4/6/2021 6:29 pm : link
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RE: This must be stupid thread day  
Mike in NY : 4/6/2021 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15211812 Chip said:
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lets trade pick 11 for 50.


This isn't as stupid as his perpetual mocks of trading Engram so we can draft a TE not named Pitts with extra pick.

Not a fan of Newman, but if it ever gets to point that Mills or Mond are very clearly BPA I would take them. Neither would prevent me from drafting QB next year if Jones falls flat on his face.
RE: RE: This must be stupid thread day  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15211828 Mike in NY said:
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lets trade pick 11 for 50.



This isn't as stupid as his perpetual mocks of trading Engram so we can draft a TE not named Pitts with extra pick.


When did I ever say that?
RE: Fingers crossed for a good UDFA prospect  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15211824 Giantology said:
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I’d take a shot at KJ Costello. I think he’ll go undrafted
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Mike in NY : 4/6/2021 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15211831 Anakim said:
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lets trade pick 11 for 50.



This isn't as stupid as his perpetual mocks of trading Engram so we can draft a TE not named Pitts with extra pick.



When did I ever say that?


You didn’t. I am saying this thread was nowhere near that level of stupidity
Not Sure of the Purpose of this Thread  
Jim in Tampa : 4/6/2021 6:58 pm : link
I'm guessing that about 99% of BBI agrees that we shouldn't draft a QB in the mid-rounds of the upcoming draft.

Is this thread supposed to convince the remaining 1%?
If we had a 5th I might use that and do it  
Bill L : 4/6/2021 7:04 pm : link
I wonder if bring so top-heavy on QBs this draft squeezes those middle tier guys to the later rounds. I for sure would spend a 6th on a 4th round qb who fell. We have no 5 th or like I said, I would do it.
Was it Gil Brandt that  
section125 : 4/6/2021 7:10 pm : link
said take a QB every year?
If Jones falls flat on his face, no 4th rounder is going to save them or make a difference on drafting one the next draft in 2022.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/6/2021 7:11 pm : link
Too few picks this season. But if the Giants have a conviction on someone & he's there later, sure. TB was drafted in the 6th round, :-)
Don't draft QBs outside of the first round  
Red Dog : 4/6/2021 7:14 pm : link
or top of the second at worst.

All those QBs who aren't making it to the top forty or fifty players are the same as what's available as UDFAs or street FAs at a dime a dozen. Drafting any of them in ANY round is wasting a pick, as we have seen time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time by the GIANTS.

In the past 60 effing years, the only QB the GIANTS ever took after the first round who turned out to be worth a damn was Jeff Hostetler in the 3rd round. THE ONLY ONE.

Not Kyle Lauletta, not Davis Webb, not Rhett Bomar, not Andre Woodson, not Ryan Nassib, not Scott Bruner, not Mark Read, not Danny Kanell, not Glynn Griffing, not Bobby Clatterbuck, and not a host of others that I've forgotten and am too lazy to look up right now.

With the exception of Bruner who started a few games and Kanell who did start (largely unsuccessfully) for parts of two seasons, they got the exact same production out of these guys as they got out of OFAs like Ryan Perriloux and Mike Cherry. Absolutely nothing but another arm for summer camp. And those are plentiful without wasting a draft choice.
Did anyone actually  
Keaton028 : 4/6/2021 7:33 pm : link
read his post? He is not suggesting taking a mid round QB.
if you add up all the day 2-3 picks NYG wasted on QB projects  
japanhead : 4/6/2021 7:49 pm : link
over the years it's an absolute shitshow.

lauletta, nassib, bomar, woodson.. j-load in '04 was the best of them and he was a UDFA.
RE: if you add up all the day 2-3 picks NYG wasted on QB projects  
eric2425ny : 4/6/2021 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15211926 japanhead said:
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over the years it's an absolute shitshow.

lauletta, nassib, bomar, woodson.. j-load in '04 was the best of them and he was a UDFA.


It is brutal when you look at it in retrospect. Those guys weren’t even competent backups
Two things I hate seeing NYG do in an nfl draft  
djm : 4/6/2021 8:30 pm : link
Both are irrational. Hate seeing them draft a corner in round 1 and seeing them draft a qb in the mid rounds. Probably wouldn’t even like seeing a qb picked in round 2, but I’ve never seen that. Fully aware this is dumb. Some of the greatest nfl minds lived by drafting a qb in the mid rounds. Still hate it. And comers fight such an uphill battle, giants have no luck, no thanks. Aaron Ross and hostetler broke the curse.
RE: Not Sure of the Purpose of this Thread  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15211858 Jim in Tampa said:
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I'm guessing that about 99% of BBI agrees that we shouldn't draft a QB in the mid-rounds of the upcoming draft.

Is this thread supposed to convince the remaining 1%?


I saw a Kyle Trask thread recently. It seems like many here have soured on DJ and want to take a QB sometime in the Draft.
What’s funny  
thomasa510 : 4/6/2021 8:59 pm : link
What’s funny to me is how drafting some roles in late rounds is viewed as pissing away a pick despite the relatively low hit rate on late round picks.

For QBs, anything outside of the top of the first round has a low chance of converting but a cheap backup found in rounds 4-7 could be a real cap saver for a team that allows them to redirect funds elsewhere.

Late round kickers and special teams players are viewed as a waste, but they have a higher chance of making the roster and possibly a truly special play once in a while (Thanks Tyree)
RE: What’s funny  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15212022 thomasa510 said:
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For QBs, anything outside of the top of the first round has a low chance of converting but a cheap backup found in rounds 4-7 could be a real cap saver for a team that allows them to redirect funds elsewhere.


Can it, though? I mean we signed Glennon to a little over a million. McCoy signed for a little over a million. I mean unless you have a really good backup QB, it's not a huge expenditure.
RE: What’s funny  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15212022 thomasa510 said:
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For QBs, anything outside of the top of the first round has a low chance of converting but a cheap backup found in rounds 4-7 could be a real cap saver for a team that allows them to redirect funds elsewhere.


Can it, though? I mean we signed Glennon to a little over a million. McCoy signed for a little over a million. I mean unless you have a really good backup QB, it's not a huge expenditure.
I feel worst after reading this  
FranknWeezer : 4/6/2021 9:06 pm : link
because it is the worse idea I've heard all day.

;-)
RE: Did anyone actually  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15211907 Keaton028 said:
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read his post? He is not suggesting taking a mid round QB.


Haha, many just read the title and insert their opinion
Don Cherry, Bomar, Lauletta how'd that all workout  
gtt350 : 4/6/2021 9:20 pm : link
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Anakin you wrote a sermon and you expect all to read it  
gtt350 : 4/6/2021 9:22 pm : link
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RE: Anakin you wrote a sermon and you expect all to read it  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15212053 gtt350 said:
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Haha, you may call it verbose or diarrhea of the mouth...errr, keyboard, but I call it comprehensive!
Trust the scouts  
rasbutant : 4/6/2021 9:29 pm : link
I agree with what you are saying and would not set out to select a late round QB. However, if the scouts have one that is highly rated and they believe for some reason that player just didn't get a chance to prove it in college, if that player drops and is clearly BPA then you pick him. QB is the most important position on the team, I hate that they have not invested more in a back-up. Not because I doubt Jones, but because I'm not willing to punt on the season if 1 player gets injured.

I don't know a ton about the QB's in the draft but in watching other players like Pitts and Smith etc... you get to see some of these guys play. I'm certainly not a scout and don't pretend to be but the Davis Mills situation is interesting to me. Seems like a guy with all the tools he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Right now he is projected to go in the 3rd round. This is the type of guy I'd select in the 4th round if he drops.

And your 1 2 3 list seems off base to me. You seem to think the selection is about Jones and his situation. I don't think it has anything to do with him.
Who was the last QB taken in middle rounds who became a franchise QB,  
Ivan15 : 4/6/2021 11:21 pm : link
All pro or even a Pro Ball QB? Probably a waste of a pick, even a 3rd rounder.
There are no rules  
LeonBright45 : 4/7/2021 12:57 am : link
If the team scouts the QBs and finds a guy that they think they can work with who can serve a role as a long time back-up who can learn to be a good game manager who knows how to play within himself so as to avoid losing us a game if called upon they are going to draft him. The position is too important to keep juggling backup QBs with no continuity. It's not always about creating competition but creating a healthy environment where the pecking order is somewhat understood and the team can work together towards the common goal with no resentment or animosity. Not every mid round QB has to become a bonafide starter. There's always going to be a place in this league for the Jeff Rutledges & Jason Garretts.
You do what your draft board tells you to do  
Milton : 4/7/2021 1:16 am : link
If you believe in a QB who sticks out like a sore thumb on your draft board when you're on the clock, of course you take him. I'm not saying you should take him over a similarly rated prospect at a position of need, but if he is your highest graded player by a wide margin, it should be a no-brainer. This is the mid-rounds, we are talking about. And for crying out loud, the 2021 draft isn't just about 2021! If this mid-round QB impresses the coaching staff, he will get his opportunities. Jones still needs to prove he can play a 16-game season and now it's 17 games plus the playoffs we need from him.

I don't expect the Giants to like any of the QBs enough to take them over other prospects when they are on the clock in any given round, but there's no reason not to pull the trigger if they did.
I'm the past 20+ years, how many QBs not named Brady  
BH28 : 4/7/2021 2:28 am : link
Have won a superbowl that weren't first or second round draft picks? The vast majority are first rounders.

It's hard enough to find a QB, but the math says it's really not worth taking a QB late. You have to be extraordinarily lucky to hit on a late round QB. A lot of these guys seem to be fortune of injury too, Brady, Dak.
I get all the arguments against it.  
DonQuixote : 4/7/2021 4:03 am : link
and ... I actually read the OP before commenting...

but I'd take a chance on Kellen Mond if he were there in the 4th or below (though I think he's too talented to be available then).
RE: I'm the past 20+ years, how many QBs not named Brady  
japanhead : 4/7/2021 8:39 am : link
In comment 15212250 BH28 said:
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Have won a superbowl that weren't first or second round draft picks? The vast majority are first rounders.

It's hard enough to find a QB, but the math says it's really not worth taking a QB late. You have to be extraordinarily lucky to hit on a late round QB. A lot of these guys seem to be fortune of injury too, Brady, Dak.


Russell Wilson in the third jumps out. Prescott was a fourth rounder. Cousins was a fourth. Romo was a UDFA. Its not common but it happens.

NYG has just happened to whiff every time by drafting the likes of Lauletta, Webb, Nassib et al. These guys werent even viable backups at the position. Never understood NYGs seeming proclivity to waste mid-round picks on QB projects as the roster was deteriorating around them.
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BH28 : 4/7/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15212318 japanhead said:
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Have won a superbowl that weren't first or second round draft picks? The vast majority are first rounders.

It's hard enough to find a QB, but the math says it's really not worth taking a QB late. You have to be extraordinarily lucky to hit on a late round QB. A lot of these guys seem to be fortune of injury too, Brady, Dak.



Russell Wilson in the third jumps out. Prescott was a fourth rounder. Cousins was a fourth. Romo was a UDFA. Its not common but it happens.

NYG has just happened to whiff every time by drafting the likes of Lauletta, Webb, Nassib et al. These guys werent even viable backups at the position. Never understood NYGs seeming proclivity to waste mid-round picks on QB projects as the roster was deteriorating around them.


Out of all the guys you named, only Wilson has won a superbowl. You can find talent in later rounds but it is even less likely to translate to superbowl wins than spending a premium pick on QB
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japanhead : 4/7/2021 7:27 pm : link
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Out of all the guys you named, only Wilson has won a superbowl. You can find talent in later rounds but it is even less likely to translate to superbowl wins than spending a premium pick on QB


I only named like three guys. Either way, it's a silly argument. How many QBs drafted in the first round never won a SB, or even made it to one? Far more than those who have.

Since 1999, SB winning quarterbacks by round:

Warner: UDFA, Dilfer: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6, Johnson: Rnd 9, Brady: Rnd 6, Brady: Rnd 6, Roethlisberger: Rnd 1, P. Manning: Rnd 1, E. Manning: Rnd 1, Roethlisberger: Rnd 1, Brees: Rnd 2, Rodgers: Rnd 1, E. Manning: Rnd 1, Flacco: Rnd 1, Wilson: Rnd 3, Brady: Rnd 6, P. Manning: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6, Foles: Rnd 3, Brady: Rnd 6, Mahomes: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6.

So a QB drafted in a round other than round 1 has won 12 of the last 22 superbowls. Obviously, Brady skews this.

Out of the 13 QBs who won SBs since 1999, seven were drafted in the first round, and six were drafted in some other round or undfrafted. Warner: UDFA, Dilfer: 1, Johnson: 9, Brady: 6, Roethlis: 1, P. Manning: 1, E. Manning: 1, Brees: 2, Rodgers: 1, Flacco: 1, Wilson: 3, Foles: 3, Mahomes: 1

Pull back further and look at QBs who played in a SB for the losing team over the same time frame: McNair: 1, Collins: 1, Warner: UDFA, Gannon: 4, Delhomme: UDFA, Hasselbeck: 6, Grossman: 1, Brady: 6, P. Manning: 1, Roethlis: 1, Kaepnernick: 2, Wilson: 3, Newton: 1, Ryan: 1, Goff: 1, Garoppolo: 4, Mahomes: 1.

Of those 17, nine were drafted in round 1, eight were drafted in some other round or UDFA.

It's basically a coin flip as to whether SB winning or losing QBs were drafted in the first round in the modern NFL.
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FStubbs : 4/7/2021 8:29 pm : link
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Out of all the guys you named, only Wilson has won a superbowl. You can find talent in later rounds but it is even less likely to translate to superbowl wins than spending a premium pick on QB



I only named like three guys. Either way, it's a silly argument. How many QBs drafted in the first round never won a SB, or even made it to one? Far more than those who have.

Since 1999, SB winning quarterbacks by round:

Warner: UDFA, Dilfer: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6, Johnson: Rnd 9, Brady: Rnd 6, Brady: Rnd 6, Roethlisberger: Rnd 1, P. Manning: Rnd 1, E. Manning: Rnd 1, Roethlisberger: Rnd 1, Brees: Rnd 2, Rodgers: Rnd 1, E. Manning: Rnd 1, Flacco: Rnd 1, Wilson: Rnd 3, Brady: Rnd 6, P. Manning: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6, Foles: Rnd 3, Brady: Rnd 6, Mahomes: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6.

So a QB drafted in a round other than round 1 has won 12 of the last 22 superbowls. Obviously, Brady skews this.

Out of the 13 QBs who won SBs since 1999, seven were drafted in the first round, and six were drafted in some other round or undfrafted. Warner: UDFA, Dilfer: 1, Johnson: 9, Brady: 6, Roethlis: 1, P. Manning: 1, E. Manning: 1, Brees: 2, Rodgers: 1, Flacco: 1, Wilson: 3, Foles: 3, Mahomes: 1

Pull back further and look at QBs who played in a SB for the losing team over the same time frame: McNair: 1, Collins: 1, Warner: UDFA, Gannon: 4, Delhomme: UDFA, Hasselbeck: 6, Grossman: 1, Brady: 6, P. Manning: 1, Roethlis: 1, Kaepnernick: 2, Wilson: 3, Newton: 1, Ryan: 1, Goff: 1, Garoppolo: 4, Mahomes: 1.

Of those 17, nine were drafted in round 1, eight were drafted in some other round or UDFA.

It's basically a coin flip as to whether SB winning or losing QBs were drafted in the first round in the modern NFL.


Your post reminds me the Cowboys haven't spent a first rounder on a QB since 1989.
There's a lot of people here that suffer from draft fever  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/7/2021 8:49 pm : link
aka we are going to get a competitive QB in any round after 2.

While I support drafting QB's in the midrounds once you have a guy on a veteran contract because having a cheap backup that can play is worth its weight in gold. There's lots of guys that have what it takes to be a good backup in the league, especially while they are young and mobile. The mobility generally gives you a different look than planning for an established starter QB who isn't going to take off as much because of injury.

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BH28 : 4/8/2021 2:37 am : link
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Out of all the guys you named, only Wilson has won a superbowl. You can find talent in later rounds but it is even less likely to translate to superbowl wins than spending a premium pick on QB



I only named like three guys. Either way, it's a silly argument. How many QBs drafted in the first round never won a SB, or even made it to one? Far more than those who have.

Since 1999, SB winning quarterbacks by round:

Warner: UDFA, Dilfer: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6, Johnson: Rnd 9, Brady: Rnd 6, Brady: Rnd 6, Roethlisberger: Rnd 1, P. Manning: Rnd 1, E. Manning: Rnd 1, Roethlisberger: Rnd 1, Brees: Rnd 2, Rodgers: Rnd 1, E. Manning: Rnd 1, Flacco: Rnd 1, Wilson: Rnd 3, Brady: Rnd 6, P. Manning: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6, Foles: Rnd 3, Brady: Rnd 6, Mahomes: Rnd 1, Brady: Rnd 6.

So a QB drafted in a round other than round 1 has won 12 of the last 22 superbowls. Obviously, Brady skews this.

Out of the 13 QBs who won SBs since 1999, seven were drafted in the first round, and six were drafted in some other round or undfrafted. Warner: UDFA, Dilfer: 1, Johnson: 9, Brady: 6, Roethlis: 1, P. Manning: 1, E. Manning: 1, Brees: 2, Rodgers: 1, Flacco: 1, Wilson: 3, Foles: 3, Mahomes: 1

Pull back further and look at QBs who played in a SB for the losing team over the same time frame: McNair: 1, Collins: 1, Warner: UDFA, Gannon: 4, Delhomme: UDFA, Hasselbeck: 6, Grossman: 1, Brady: 6, P. Manning: 1, Roethlis: 1, Kaepnernick: 2, Wilson: 3, Newton: 1, Ryan: 1, Goff: 1, Garoppolo: 4, Mahomes: 1.

Of those 17, nine were drafted in round 1, eight were drafted in some other round or UDFA.

It's basically a coin flip as to whether SB winning or losing QBs were drafted in the first round in the modern NFL.


Who cares about losing the super bowl? The point is to win it. The stats show that more than 50% of superbowl winners came from round 1, the rest from rounds 2-UDFA. If you look at how many QBs have been historically taken in rounds 2-7, the odds are much higher that you'll draft a superbowl winning QB in round 1 than the entire rest of the draft combined.

This was my original point, the chances of hitting on a late round QB are very low. With the amount of holes on this roster, it would more than likely be a waste of a draft pick to spend a mid round pick on one.
if 46% of SB-winning QBs since '99 were not from round 1,  
japanhead : 4/8/2021 8:46 am : link
the odds of winning with one arent "very low" as you claim. there is no need to dig in and overstate your point. some of the best (non round one) NFL QBs who've won superbowls have also lost them (brady, wilson, warner). same with some of the round one-ers (payton, roethlis, mahomes).

agree NYG should not draft a later-round QB this year (even though i have doubts about jones). their track record doing this over the last two decades has been laughably terrible. never understood why NYG kept drafting later-round QBs after failing at it so frequently, with ironman eli as the entrenched starter, and with the rest of the roster deteriorating around him more every year.

was honestly expecting NYG to roll with eli through 2019 and draft herbert in round one in 2020. seemed like a no-brainer in fact. but they took jones in '19 on "QB whisperer" shurmurs recommendation and with the organizational imperative to get a guy who could "learn under eli" via the "green bay model" and here we are.

The main reason..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/8/2021 9:25 am : link
to draft a QB in the middle rounds is to have a cheap, developmental QB that is assumed to be behind an established QB.

That way you can develop the prospect and possibly flip him for a pick a couple years down the road and replace him with a cheap, mid-round draft pick.

Not all teams have that luxury. You really need to have an established starter in place to make that part work. If the plan is to pick a mid-round guy with the hopes of him being a viable starter, that's a whole other ballgame in terms of the chance for success.
Finding a QB of value late in the draft is very difficult for  
chick310 : 4/8/2021 9:25 am : link
any team. And don’t have a lot of confidence this Front Office knows how to evaluate that position very well anyway. It’s been a long time since the draft days of Eli Manning.

Keep investing in the trenches.
RE: The main reason..  
japanhead : 4/8/2021 11:55 am : link
In comment 15213509 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to draft a QB in the middle rounds is to have a cheap, developmental QB that is assumed to be behind an established QB.

That way you can develop the prospect and possibly flip him for a pick a couple years down the road and replace him with a cheap, mid-round draft pick.

Not all teams have that luxury.


This never remotely worked out for NYG and even though they had an entrenched starter in Eli, they arguably ignored key positions during their window in favor of trying to find a mid-round QB to possibly flip for a draft pick X years later- seems the height of arrogance and/or just a brutal misread of their own roster needs and talent in retrospect, but it did at the time as well.

I always preferred the wiley vet backup, a la Sage Rosenfels. If recent signings are any indication, Judge seems to also regard the backup QB position in this way
RE: RE: The main reason..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/8/2021 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15213692 japanhead said:
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to draft a QB in the middle rounds is to have a cheap, developmental QB that is assumed to be behind an established QB.

That way you can develop the prospect and possibly flip him for a pick a couple years down the road and replace him with a cheap, mid-round draft pick.

Not all teams have that luxury.



This never remotely worked out for NYG and even though they had an entrenched starter in Eli, they arguably ignored key positions during their window in favor of trying to find a mid-round QB to possibly flip for a draft pick X years later- seems the height of arrogance and/or just a brutal misread of their own roster needs and talent in retrospect, but it did at the time as well.

I always preferred the wiley vet backup, a la Sage Rosenfels. If recent signings are any indication, Judge seems to also regard the backup QB position in this way


How is it a misread of the roster to know there's an entrenched starter who was durable and only needed a cheap backup? How is that arrogant??

seems like you are just making shit up.
Defend at all costs  
Jimmy Googs : 4/8/2021 6:48 pm : link
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RE: Defend at all costs  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/8/2021 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15214218 Jimmy Googs said:
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Clownshoes! Making irritating noises but not serving a purpose.

Jimmy Clownshoes. Interjecting without a point and serving no purpose
Defend or call people names.  
Jimmy Googs : 4/8/2021 6:59 pm : link
Nothing new.

Comic relief getting irritated...
RE: RE: RE: The main reason..  
japanhead : 4/8/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15213813 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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How is it a misread of the roster to know there's an entrenched starter who was durable and only needed a cheap backup? How is that arrogant??

seems like you are just making shit up.


hmm on second thought, you're right. it was real shrewd of NYG to draft bomar, woodson, nassib webb and lauletta. LMAO
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