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bluesince56 : 4/6/2021 6:51 pm
Tough two games
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Kinda of running it up for the Rangers to go for the 2 pt conversion  
mfsd : 4/6/2021 9:42 pm : link
But it’s the Penguin’s, screw em.

Love when the good Rangers show up
I dont know why you're so hellbent to trade Buchnevich, Anak  
Greg from LI : 4/6/2021 9:44 pm : link
He's maturing into a damned good all around player
RE: With the TDL on Monday, I'd look to make a few moves  
chopperhatch : 4/6/2021 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15212041 Anakim said:
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Brendan Smith to a contender for a mid-round pick
Alex Georgiev for a mid-round pick


And I'd shop Buch and Strome heavily.If we can get back a first round pick and a top prospect/young player (preferably a C) for each guy, I think we have to do it.



But nobody is giving up a young C. Also, while I agree, shopping Buch at the top of his game could yield a bunch, shopping our only really proficient Center other than Zibby is baffling to me. Sure, you can get a lot of prospects, but I very much doubt you are getting a deal akin to what we got for Brassard. That would be awesome though. I get that his deal is short term, but I cant see us getting equal value for a fairly good 2C
RE: With the TDL on Monday, I'd look to make a few moves  
pjcas18 : 4/6/2021 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15212041 Anakim said:
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Brendan Smith to a contender for a mid-round pick
Alex Georgiev for a mid-round pick


And I'd shop Buch and Strome heavily. If we can get back a first round pick and a top prospect/young player (preferably a C) for each guy, I think we have to do it.


You are on the cusp of being a contender with your youth on ELCs. Why waste that and get rid of glue guys like Buch and Strome.

Sure, if you get someone to take Smith off your hands you do it, Georgiev and 4th liners go right ahead, but I'd tweak this team to make a run, not take a step backward.

Plus there is the expansion draft where these players could be more useful - for example - no idea who on the Rangers is eligible or not or their cap situation, but you can make a deal with Seattle to take Strome (for example) and clear some salary to add a top pair D - or fill a different hole on the roster somewhere else.

Maybe they add Taylor Hall on the cheap off a disastrous gamble with a prove it deal in BUF - even though they don't need a LW - that's just an example.
RE: I dont know why you're so hellbent to trade Buchnevich, Anak  
chopperhatch : 4/6/2021 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15212104 Greg from LI said:
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He's maturing into a damned good all around player


This too. He has been a rock forward during the slow points of our season. Guy is very good offensively, defensively and that top line is humming right now.
RE: RE: With the TDL on Monday, I'd look to make a few moves  
chopperhatch : 4/6/2021 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15212127 pjcas18 said:
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Brendan Smith to a contender for a mid-round pick
Alex Georgiev for a mid-round pick


And I'd shop Buch and Strome heavily. If we can get back a first round pick and a top prospect/young player (preferably a C) for each guy, I think we have to do it.



You are on the cusp of being a contender with your youth on ELCs. Why waste that and get rid of glue guys like Buch and Strome.

Sure, if you get someone to take Smith off your hands you do it, Georgiev and 4th liners go right ahead, but I'd tweak this team to make a run, not take a step backward.

Plus there is the expansion draft where these players could be more useful - for example - no idea who on the Rangers is eligible or not or their cap situation, but you can make a deal with Seattle to take Strome (for example) and clear some salary to add a top pair D - or fill a different hole on the roster somewhere else.

Maybe they add Taylor Hall on the cheap off a disastrous gamble with a prove it deal in BUF - even though they don't need a LW - that's just an example.


I agree wholeheartedly. Next thing ypu know, we are going to find ourselves in a constant reload situation to where Panarin, Kreider and Zibby's careers with us were fluahed because we kept stepping back. We are young team with some great pieces....lets go!

Strome for a Brassard like deal I could live with,but what would you suggest teams would throw our way?
RE: I dont know why you're so hellbent to trade Buchnevich, Anak  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15212104 Greg from LI said:
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He's maturing into a damned good all around player


He's a RFA at the end of the year and will want to get paid. We need to re-sign some of our younger guys and pay big bucks to Zibanejad long-term.
RE: RE: RE: With the TDL on Monday, I'd look to make a few moves  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15212133 chopperhatch said:
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Brendan Smith to a contender for a mid-round pick
Alex Georgiev for a mid-round pick


And I'd shop Buch and Strome heavily. If we can get back a first round pick and a top prospect/young player (preferably a C) for each guy, I think we have to do it.



You are on the cusp of being a contender with your youth on ELCs. Why waste that and get rid of glue guys like Buch and Strome.

Sure, if you get someone to take Smith off your hands you do it, Georgiev and 4th liners go right ahead, but I'd tweak this team to make a run, not take a step backward.

Plus there is the expansion draft where these players could be more useful - for example - no idea who on the Rangers is eligible or not or their cap situation, but you can make a deal with Seattle to take Strome (for example) and clear some salary to add a top pair D - or fill a different hole on the roster somewhere else.

Maybe they add Taylor Hall on the cheap off a disastrous gamble with a prove it deal in BUF - even though they don't need a LW - that's just an example.



I agree wholeheartedly. Next thing ypu know, we are going to find ourselves in a constant reload situation to where Panarin, Kreider and Zibby's careers with us were fluahed because we kept stepping back. We are young team with some great pieces....lets go!

Strome for a Brassard like deal I could live with,but what would you suggest teams would throw our way?


Not sure off-hand, but if the Panthers (who are contending) offer us Lundell for Strome or Buch, I think you have to take it. Or the Golden Knights offer one of Cody Glass or Peyton Krebs. There are a few really good young C/C prospects.
RE: RE: With the TDL on Monday, I'd look to make a few moves  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15212127 pjcas18 said:
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Brendan Smith to a contender for a mid-round pick
Alex Georgiev for a mid-round pick


And I'd shop Buch and Strome heavily. If we can get back a first round pick and a top prospect/young player (preferably a C) for each guy, I think we have to do it.



You are on the cusp of being a contender with your youth on ELCs. Why waste that and get rid of glue guys like Buch and Strome.

Sure, if you get someone to take Smith off your hands you do it, Georgiev and 4th liners go right ahead, but I'd tweak this team to make a run, not take a step backward.

Plus there is the expansion draft where these players could be more useful - for example - no idea who on the Rangers is eligible or not or their cap situation, but you can make a deal with Seattle to take Strome (for example) and clear some salary to add a top pair D - or fill a different hole on the roster somewhere else.

Maybe they add Taylor Hall on the cheap off a disastrous gamble with a prove it deal in BUF - even though they don't need a LW - that's just an example.


Because some of our RFA (who will be in need of new deals) will need to get paid. For example, I don't think Fox will or even should settle for a bridge deal. Same with Igor. They're going to want to be extended long-term. And obviously you have to pay Zibanejad top bucks to keep him around long-term. We're already paying Panarin 12M per, Trouba 8M per and Kreider 6.5M per. We can't keep everyone.

Strome is an UFA next year and Buch is a RFA this year. It's going to be hard to keep them given what they're sure to demand. You might as well get a first rounder and/or some nice young prospects.
All very good points....  
chopperhatch : 4/6/2021 11:04 pm : link
I would much prefer to keep the younger, more important players than Buch or Strome. I think Shesterkin has shaken off the early cobb webs and is our futire. Fox obviously is. I just dont know if teams are that apt to give up C prospects for players like Strome and Buchy.


Will be interesting to see for sure.
RE: All very good points....  
Anakim : 4/6/2021 11:08 pm : link
In comment 15212191 chopperhatch said:
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I would much prefer to keep the younger, more important players than Buch or Strome. I think Shesterkin has shaken off the early cobb webs and is our futire. Fox obviously is. I just dont know if teams are that apt to give up C prospects for players like Strome and Buchy.


Will be interesting to see for sure.


Both Strome and Buch are producing like first-line players. They're going to be hot commodities in the coming days. I wouldn't trade them for late-first rounders, but a first rounder AND a top prospect? Yeah, I'd seriously consider it. If it's a late-first rounder and a guy like Anton Lundell for Buch or Strome, you absolutely take it.
Strome/Buchnevich  
five5 : 4/6/2021 11:29 pm : link
there is no way they are getting a 1st and a prospect for either one of them. Not happening. Also, there is a much better chance they extend Brendan Smith than trade him. The coaching staff/FO is not a huge fan of Gauthier and I can see them swapping him for a gritty top 9 forward...not sure who but definitely a possibility.
Strome/Buchnevich  
five5 : 4/6/2021 11:30 pm : link
there is no way they are getting a 1st and a prospect for either one of them. Not happening. Also, there is a much better chance they extend Brendan Smith than trade him. The coaching staff/FO is not a huge fan of Gauthier and I can see them swapping him for a gritty top 9 forward...not sure who but definitely a possibility.
RE: RE: All very good points....  
chopperhatch : 4/6/2021 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15212194 Anakim said:
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I would much prefer to keep the younger, more important players than Buch or Strome. I think Shesterkin has shaken off the early cobb webs and is our futire. Fox obviously is. I just dont know if teams are that apt to give up C prospects for players like Strome and Buchy.


Will be interesting to see for sure.



Both Strome and Buch are producing like first-line players. They're going to be hot commodities in the coming days. I wouldn't trade them for late-first rounders, but a first rounder AND a top prospect? Yeah, I'd seriously consider it. If it's a late-first rounder and a guy like Anton Lundell for Buch or Strome, you absolutely take it.


100% concur. They pulled off some miracles last year in getting a 1st for Skjei (and a defenseman that many project to have more game than Skjei) and an every day player in Gauthier for Keane who hasnt done a thing at the NHL level. While we havent gotten much from Gauthier, he has gotten more assertive. So if a deal like you suggest is out there, I am very confident they are taking feelers. Would love Lundell and a pick from Florida for Strome. No brainer.
RE: .....  
BestFeature : 4/6/2021 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15212081 BrettNYG10 said:
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Panarin is better than I thought when the Rangers signed him.


Panarin is the rare example of a player that played better on the Rangers than any other team in his career. And he was phenomenal before this, but he was closer to a 80-90 point player with Chicago and Columbus. With the Rangers he paced 113 and 121 this year. Both per 82.
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chopperhatch : 4/7/2021 12:09 am : link
In comment 15212219 BestFeature said:
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Panarin is better than I thought when the Rangers signed him.



Panarin is the rare example of a player that played better on the Rangers than any other team in his career. And he was phenomenal before this, but he was closer to a 80-90 point player with Chicago and Columbus. With the Rangers he paced 113 and 121 this year. Both per 82.



Wow. I can understand him falling below the radar with that Chicago team with allthe firepower they had. But in Coloumbus he shouldve been a superstar. I mean he was very good, but not the wizard he is here. His presence withthe puck and making plays is just unreal.
Also, Im starting to feel  
chopperhatch : 4/7/2021 12:26 am : link
The hate for the lack of birn for Laf on the PP when the Rangers are playing 2 D men on the 2nd unit. No way Trouba should be out there. Give that spot to Laf and let him have some fun.
No executive  
PwndPapi : 4/7/2021 1:28 am : link
Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.

The Strome line is your best 5v5 scoring line. You need savy vets around a team this young until Laf and Kakko can begin to carry a heavier load and become more disciplined two-way forwards. Buchnevich is one of our best PK forwards. We aren't trading him either. You don't trade these types of guys unless you absolutely have to or you stumble upon an opportunity to acquire another franchise building block that's already a star.

Silly talk.
RE: No executive  
chopperhatch : 4/7/2021 1:55 am : link
In comment 15212245 PwndPapi said:
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.

The Strome line is your best 5v5 scoring line. You need savy vets around a team this young until Laf and Kakko can begin to carry a heavier load and become more disciplined two-way forwards. Buchnevich is one of our best PK forwards. We aren't trading him either. You don't trade these types of guys unless you absolutely have to or you stumble upon an opportunity to acquire another franchise building block that's already a star.

Silly talk.


I agree with this too. I dontthink that deal exists for Strome or even Buchnevich. Whether we have to bite the bullet down the line and let them walk or a younger player or even a veteran...the idea that we get a first and a young prospect just because a player is producing in the top 6 is kind of a prayer.
My understanding (and I could be wrong)  
PwndPapi : 4/7/2021 2:16 am : link
The current projections are based on a flat cap. It's possible net's year's cap remains flat but it will go up drastically over the following two seasons thanks to the new TV contracts. That also happens to be when Kakko and Laf will be due for raises. Guys like Austin Matthews got new deals and 10M per once they came off their entry level deals.

Strome isn't the issue. The decision will be whether we commit $10M annually to Zibenijad. The toughest part will be how to escape Trouba's deal. At $8M per, he eats up roughly 15% of the cap and is signed through 26. Not great value for a stay-at-home Dman who contributes little on the PP and who's metrics put him 3rd or 4th on the team. And he's got a NMC to boot. That buyout will be something like $13M+ if we were to buy him out in 24.
RE: No executive  
Anakim : 4/7/2021 7:15 am : link
In comment 15212245 PwndPapi said:
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.


Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.
RE: RE: No executive  
Stufftherun : 4/7/2021 8:57 am : link
In comment 15212278 Anakim said:
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.
- You just inserted Strome's name into that group of players and we're all supposed to think, sure, NAK's not off his rocker!
RE: RE: RE: No executive  
Anakim : 4/7/2021 9:00 am : link
In comment 15212340 Stufftherun said:
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.

- You just inserted Strome's name into that group of players and we're all supposed to think, sure, NAK's not off his rocker!


I'm not saying he's of that ilk. I'm saying he's performing as a top player right now and the Rangers should sell high. A first and a top prospect is a fair asking price.
RE: RE: No executive  
JayBinQueens : 4/7/2021 9:41 am : link
In comment 15212278 Anakim said:
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.


Matt Martin has more points than Laff & Kakko [i]and[/] and has been playing on PP1. Maybe the Isles should ask for a 1st for him too
RE: RE: RE: No executive  
Stufftherun : 4/7/2021 9:54 am : link
In comment 15212394 JayBinQueens said:
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.



Matt Martin has more points than Laff & Kakko [i]and[/] and has been playing on PP1. Maybe the Isles should ask for a 1st for him too
Not only a 1st but a "top organizational prospect down the middle" too!
RE: RE: RE: No executive  
Anakim : 4/7/2021 9:55 am : link
In comment 15212394 JayBinQueens said:
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.



Matt Martin has more points than Laff & Kakko [i]and[/] and has been playing on PP1. Maybe the Isles should ask for a 1st for him too


Apples and oranges, but sure, go ahead and ask for a first for Matt Martin.
RE: I dont know why you're so hellbent to trade Buchnevich, Anak  
ColHowPepper : 4/7/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15212104 Greg from LI said:
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He's maturing into a damned good all around player
I've made same point, Greg, STs too. He's gotten a lot more hard nosed from his first two years or so.

Anak wants to accrue high draft picks: the team needs to figure out how to construct balance and consistency in its game with some combo of what they have. It's not fantasy hockey. High draft picks lengthen the cycle toward improvement, keep setting it back. We were jumping up and down when Alexei ping pong ball hit for us: but young talent takes time to grow. Preaching to the choir, I suspect.
RE: RE: No executive  
PwndPapi : 4/7/2021 11:17 am : link
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.


So what? No GM in their right might would trade any of them for Strome. Let alone add a first round pick to sweeten the deal. Nonsense.
RE: RE: RE: No executive  
Anakim : 4/7/2021 11:21 am : link
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.



So what? No GM in their right might would trade any of them for Strome. Let alone add a first round pick to sweeten the deal. Nonsense.


LOL. Who said anything about trading those guys (plus a first) for Strome?
RE: RE: RE: RE: No executive  
PwndPapi : 4/7/2021 11:24 am : link
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.



So what? No GM in their right might would trade any of them for Strome. Let alone add a first round pick to sweeten the deal. Nonsense.



LOL. Who said anything about trading those guys (plus a first) for Strome?


Let me rephrase. No GM in their right mind would give up a top C prospect + a first round pick for Strome. And all of the guys you listed would certainly bring back more than a first + prospect.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No executive  
Anakim : 4/7/2021 11:25 am : link
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Is going to give up a first round pick and a top organizational prospect down the middle for Strome. If they do, the ought to immediately lose their jobs. And I like Ryan Strome.


Silly talk.



Oh really?

What do Ovechkin, Barzal, Stamkos, Point, Bergeron and Tavares all have in common? Strome is outscoring ALL of them. And he's signed to a very reasonable cap number for next year.

He's playing like a 1C and we know how rare those are, so yes, a first rounder and a top prospect should be the asking price, at the minimum.



So what? No GM in their right might would trade any of them for Strome. Let alone add a first round pick to sweeten the deal. Nonsense.



LOL. Who said anything about trading those guys (plus a first) for Strome?



Let me rephrase. No GM in their right mind would give up a top C prospect + a first round pick for Strome. And all of the guys you listed would certainly bring back more than a first + prospect.


You're right about the latter, but I disagree about the former
Maybe it has to classified as 'sunk cost', but  
ColHowPepper : 4/7/2021 11:57 am : link
maybe part of the calculus of the FO re. Strome is that it turns out he was a bargain pickup. Don't remember the terms, but I think he was a cheap signing for the productive player he has turned into. No, he doesn't often make you go 'wow, what a play!' He's just consistently productive.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/7/2021 12:00 pm : link
"Kakko put up a couple points last night, let's trade him."-Anak
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Things are way more complicated than just trade this guy and that guy  
jv : 4/7/2021 12:12 pm : link
Will the Rangers trade Strome? My guess is they'd like to... This offseason it seemed like they were determined to not bring him back. I don't think they're willing to commit to him longterm. At the same time they brought him back because there's nobody ready to take his 2C spot.

I also don't think the league is buying the fools gold that is his point totals. He plays with an elite winger. Hell, Colin Blackwell is looking great playing with Panarin. He gets PP1 time with possibly the Norris trophy winner running the PP. He takes offensive zone penalties on the regular and I don't really consider him defensively responsible.

I think if they move him and/or Buchnevich it will happen this summer. Eichel will play into this. This trade deadline will probably be dull especially for the Rangers who don't really have desirable rentals and aren't looking to buy.

Personally I'd be against trading Buchnevich. He's becoming a forward that you hope some of these young players turn into.

I honestly don't think there's going to be trade value like there used to be. The flat cap is making 1st rounders and prospects more valuable. Cap space is a premium. The returns you're hoping for for Strome and even Buch are a pipedream.
RE: ....  
PwndPapi : 4/7/2021 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15212600 BrettNYG10 said:
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"Kakko put up a couple points last night, let's trade him."-Anak


Need to se high.
Sell..  
PwndPapi : 4/7/2021 12:18 pm : link
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Also, there comes a point in a rebuild  
PwndPapi : 4/7/2021 12:23 pm : link
Where the overiding objective is no longer acquiring draft assets and prospects that are a year or more away. Eventually, you get to a place where those draft picks turn into players (or don't) and you've created enough organizational depth where it doesn't make sense to add picks/prospects at the cost of subtracting productive players from the big league team.

They've got organizational depth at every position sans C. The objective now should be to combine assets for a big deal to add a cornerstone piece to propel you over this plateau into a cup contender.

Eichel has been floated. I'm not sure he's the guy.
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ColHowPepper : 4/7/2021 12:34 pm : link
jv, good post, agree with most

pwndpapi, is what I was saying in my 10:29 AM Buch post, you fleshed it out nicely. Only point where I might disagree re. organizational depth--aside from clear need for centermen, is at G: Not sure Georgiev with his struggles when given the opportunity is going to be a LT answer; Kincaid a bit of a stopgap, they might be looking here.
One guy I would jump at the opportunity to add  
PwndPapi : 4/7/2021 1:04 pm : link
Would be Couturier. He's a bargain at his current contract and a star who PHI would like to keep I'm sure, but he's an UFA at the end of the season and will be due a raise. I'd much rather take a chance on him than a guy like Eichel who may be cost prohibitive in terms of assets and cap hit.
I wouldn't trade  
pjcas18 : 4/7/2021 1:11 pm : link
to offload cap space.

If I were the Rangers I would trade to improve the team and if there was a way to get Eichel and not give up Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, Miller from the youngsters, and Panarin or Zibanejad I'd absolutely do it.

which gets you to Anakim's Strome and Buchnevich.

They're the only two real marketable assets you'd even consider trading, who don't have NMC/NTC already.

So, instead of trading those guys for youth/draft picks.

trade those two, your 1st round pick, TDA and Georgiev for Eichel.

Adding Eichel, Nils, and fringe pieces like a backup goalie, veteran stay at home defenseman and the Rangers are easily cup contenders in 2022.
RE: I wouldn't trade  
Victor in CT : 4/7/2021 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15212718 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
to offload cap space.

If I were the Rangers I would trade to improve the team and if there was a way to get Eichel and not give up Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, Miller from the youngsters, and Panarin or Zibanejad I'd absolutely do it.

which gets you to Anakim's Strome and Buchnevich.

They're the only two real marketable assets you'd even consider trading, who don't have NMC/NTC already.

So, instead of trading those guys for youth/draft picks.

trade those two, your 1st round pick, TDA and Georgiev for Eichel.

Adding Eichel, Nils, and fringe pieces like a backup goalie, veteran stay at home defenseman and the Rangers are easily cup contenders in 2022.


nice plan. If they go that route, do you think they let Quinn stay on?
RE: RE: I wouldn't trade  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/7/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15212883 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 15212718 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


to offload cap space.

If I were the Rangers I would trade to improve the team and if there was a way to get Eichel and not give up Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, Miller from the youngsters, and Panarin or Zibanejad I'd absolutely do it.

which gets you to Anakim's Strome and Buchnevich.

They're the only two real marketable assets you'd even consider trading, who don't have NMC/NTC already.

So, instead of trading those guys for youth/draft picks.

trade those two, your 1st round pick, TDA and Georgiev for Eichel.

Adding Eichel, Nils, and fringe pieces like a backup goalie, veteran stay at home defenseman and the Rangers are easily cup contenders in 2022.



nice plan. If they go that route, do you think they let Quinn stay on?


Hopefully not. Way too mixed a bag and inconsistency with him at the helm.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/7/2021 4:57 pm : link
Lundkvist won the Salming Award as the Swedish Hockey League’s best defenseman. I can't wait for him to come over.

I think Quinn gets too much heat. We have criticized literally every single NYR coach for having an idiotic favorite, etc. Quinn is no different, of course.

The defense is much improved this season. I hate the obsession with Howden. I want Lafreniere to get more ice time. But I don't think he's AV in 2018 territory where he has to go. Maybe we shouldn't wait that long, of course.

How much better should the Rangers be right now than they are? Not much, IMO. I don't think we're underperforming.
The knock  
pjcas18 : 4/7/2021 5:06 pm : link
on Quinn is the same with all coaches and young players.

I think the problem is this. Pro sports team head coach is a "today" job. It's not like GM where you get a 5-year plan, it's not like a position coach, it's really based on todays record and results.

It's rare the a pro coach gets a long rope to rebuild, so what do coaches do? they play the guys who are going to keep them close in games. Young players make mistakes, and some coaches don't have the job security to let them.

IMO when you complain about Lafreniere's minutes or last year Kakko's linemates, it's more an indictment of the front office, not letting the coach know - "we don't expect you to win, get these kids some experience"

I just don't think franchises are run that way.

So, I don't really know what kind of coach Quinn is or isn't, he's had a porous blue line and a ton of youth.

I remember Claude Julien being dragged by the Boston media for not giving Marchand enough minutes and now Marchand credits Julien for his development.

in short, no idea, lol.
pj and Brett  
ColHowPepper : 4/7/2021 5:33 pm : link
pj, that's a reasonable approach re. Eichel in the off-season, but it still leaves the Rangers short a centerman in dealing Strome. Of course Eichel is a big upgrade, but still a line w/o a center. I don't why, because he's played LW his entire career afaik, but could Laf have what it takes to convert?

Brett, agree with most of yours. Crazy thing about Lundkvist is he's gotten a ton of his goals right where Artemi likes to set up, toppish of the left circle and he lets it go with a bent leg and wicked shot to the upper corners.

As pj commented while I've been posting this Quinn, a bit of a conundrum. I think part of the disaffection here and elsewhere with him is that he doesn't communicate easily with the press; he sounds robotic and canned.
I’d  
pjcas18 : 4/7/2021 6:29 pm : link
Play Kravtsov at center or acquire a 3rd/4th line center. Plenty available like a veteran gritty good on the dots guy like Nate Thompson.
Wtf has happened to Trouba?  
Bear vs Shark : 4/7/2021 6:39 pm : link
I was so pumped when they acquired him.

I really like Buch and wish the Rangers could find a way to keep him, but it sucks that the Kreider deal (which I don't fault NYR for, nobody knew we'd luck out with Laf) and Trouba deals are really fucking things up. But if we're going to move him, I'd love to make the move that pjacs had in his post.
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Anakim : 4/7/2021 11:16 pm : link
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RE: The knock  
chopperhatch : 4/8/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15213026 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
on Quinn is the same with all coaches and young players.

I think the problem is this. Pro sports team head coach is a "today" job. It's not like GM where you get a 5-year plan, it's not like a position coach, it's really based on todays record and results.

It's rare the a pro coach gets a long rope to rebuild, so what do coaches do? they play the guys who are going to keep them close in games. Young players make mistakes, and some coaches don't have the job security to let them.

IMO when you complain about Lafreniere's minutes or last year Kakko's linemates, it's more an indictment of the front office, not letting the coach know - "we don't expect you to win, get these kids some experience"

I just don't think franchises are run that way.

So, I don't really know what kind of coach Quinn is or isn't, he's had a porous blue line and a ton of youth.

I remember Claude Julien being dragged by the Boston media for not giving Marchand enough minutes and now Marchand credits Julien for his development.

in short, no idea, lol.


The problem I have with him is he hasn't ever really had his team ready to play out of the gate and they looked whoafully unprepared compared with their competition. Last year's start, the impotence in the bubble andthen this year's start. Thats an awful lot of trending in the wrong direction. Just very disappointing jump and fire from our team. Sorry, but its 100% on coaching to have your team ready to play and it always seems the teamhas to figure it out when we are already set back. Beginning of last year, ok,I can give him a pass for that with so much yputh and new faces. But we were the hottest team in hockey when the shutdown happened and then were the slowest put of the gates for the bubble games.

That's my issue.
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