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NFT: Knicks @ Celtics 7:30 pm

Del Shofner : 4/7/2021 11:10 am
The two teams are tied in the standings and have pretty similar stats. Celts coming off a loss last night to the Sixers. Not ready to use "Knicks" and "big game" in the same sentence yet, but if the hope is to make the playoffs...
Celtics will be without Kemba and Fournier  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 11:14 am : link
This is Must win, have to keep putting distance on the 11 spot and With Hayward and lamelo out you can catch Hornets for the 6th spot..

Got Memphis, Toronto and Lakers at homr coming up, time to rack up a few in a row
Celtics were totally disinterested last night  
Bill L : 4/7/2021 11:16 am : link
(Newly starting center) Robert Williams got manhandled by Embid and got into early foul trouble. With Tristan Thompson sidelines, the Celtics had to really juggle the lineups to cover Embid and their defense went to hell. They also committed something like 22 turnovers. Smart was especially stupid. Tatum and Brown don't seem to elevate the play around them and go into hero ball when things get tense and that is not successful. New guy Evan Fournier is a new guy on the COVID list and so there is little bench depth and much of that lacks any experience at all.

The Celtics are a really good team. And they are a really bad team. Which is why they are a .500 team.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 11:18 am : link
Big game for sure.
Getting my 1st shot tonight at 730  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 11:33 am : link
going to DVR and start it whrn i get homr, so i hope you guys dont miss my angry heat the moment posts 😊
RE: Getting my 1st shot tonight at 730  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15212560 nygiants16 said:
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going to DVR and start it whrn i get homr, so i hope you guys dont miss my angry heat the moment posts 😊


Haha. Nice. Get that needle into your veins!
With vaccine eligible in NY 16 and up  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 11:42 am : link
The rangers are getting vaccinated today, wonder if the Knicks players plan on doing the same
RE: With vaccine eligible in NY 16 and up  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 11:43 am : link
In comment 15212573 nygiants16 said:
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The rangers are getting vaccinated today, wonder if the Knicks players plan on doing the same


I hope so. Let's get back to normal dammit!
RE: With vaccine eligible in NY 16 and up  
Stu11 : 4/7/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15212573 nygiants16 said:
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The rangers are getting vaccinated today, wonder if the Knicks players plan on doing the same

The fact that they didn't vaccinate all of the athletes by now is insane. I get people would have bitched about it, but who cares. People who bitch about it probably found something else to bitch about 5 minutes later. With all of the MLB, NBA and NHL player and team personnel we're probably talking about under 5,000 people. We have been vaccinating 2- 4 million people a day for over a month now. The fact that teams are still having outbreaks is ridiculous.
For one thing, you can't force anyone to get vaccinated  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/7/2021 12:16 pm : link
So it's not simply about availability. Some people are choosing not to be.
I get the choice  
Carl in CT : 4/7/2021 12:19 pm : link
Then what will happen if I did get the shot why do I have to wear a mask to help protect someone who chose not to. That’s a choice also.
RE: RE: Getting my 1st shot tonight at 730  
Bill L : 4/7/2021 12:21 pm : link
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going to DVR and start it whrn i get homr, so i hope you guys dont miss my angry heat the moment posts 😊



Haha. Nice. Get that needle into your veins!


Thanks for that. When I read his post, I thought he meant he was setting up to be drinking during the game.
RE: For one thing, you can't force anyone to get vaccinated  
Bill L : 4/7/2021 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15212631 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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So it's not simply about availability. Some people are choosing not to be.


That's a larger, off-topic, question. But, there are things that I hope they (eventually) do that stop sort of "forcing" but make it untenable to choose not to.
RE: RE: RE: Getting my 1st shot tonight at 730  
Del Shofner : 4/7/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15212639 Bill L said:
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I thought he meant he was setting up to be drinking during the game.


I think both teams' fans are going to be in need of that...
RE: For one thing, you can't force anyone to get vaccinated  
Stu11 : 4/7/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15212631 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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So it's not simply about availability. Some people are choosing not to be.

Oh no I didn't mean you have to force all the players and personnel to get it, I'm just saying it should have been available to any who want it. That way you wouldn't have the issues of team outbreaks still like the Nats and Vancouver Canucks.
RE: RE: With vaccine eligible in NY 16 and up  
TyreeHelmet : 4/7/2021 12:31 pm : link
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The rangers are getting vaccinated today, wonder if the Knicks players plan on doing the same


The fact that they didn't vaccinate all of the athletes by now is insane. I get people would have bitched about it, but who cares. People who bitch about it probably found something else to bitch about 5 minutes later. With all of the MLB, NBA and NHL player and team personnel we're probably talking about under 5,000 people. We have been vaccinating 2- 4 million people a day for over a month now. The fact that teams are still having outbreaks is ridiculous.


Totally agree. And once all the players and personnel have access to the vaccine- can't they stop with the mandatory quarantining rules and get back to a normal schedule? Can't force anyone to get it, but can't they lift the protections once its available to everyone?

Would love to see a W tonight. I am enjoying the disappointing Celtics season. Ainge and Stevens have gotten way too much praise and not nearly enough criticism.
RE: RE: RE: With vaccine eligible in NY 16 and up  
Stu11 : 4/7/2021 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15212658 TyreeHelmet said:
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Would love to see a W tonight. I am enjoying the disappointing Celtics season. Ainge and Stevens have gotten way too much praise and not nearly enough criticism.

Same here! I'm old school started watching in the late 70's. Cant stand the Celts and that shitty green. I'm enjoying this a lot. My kids don't get it. They don't have any ill will towards them more than any other team. Growing up watching them kick our ass and McHale reaching for that shitty towel every time he was going to the free throw line. Screw them. And I'm sure those older than I hate them even more and would love to have shoved that victory cigar up Red Auerbach's ass on more than one ocassion lol.
RE: RE: RE: RE: With vaccine eligible in NY 16 and up  
Bill L : 4/7/2021 12:44 pm : link
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Would love to see a W tonight. I am enjoying the disappointing Celtics season. Ainge and Stevens have gotten way too much praise and not nearly enough criticism.


Same here! I'm old school started watching in the late 70's. Cant stand the Celts and that shitty green. I'm enjoying this a lot. My kids don't get it. They don't have any ill will towards them more than any other team. Growing up watching them kick our ass and McHale reaching for that shitty towel every time he was going to the free throw line. Screw them. And I'm sure those older than I hate them even more and would love to have shoved that victory cigar up Red Auerbach's ass on more than one ocassion lol.


I'm older than that and have zero feelings about the Knicks. It's not a Red Sox/Yankees thing to me. I just don't think it's a rivalry. Our rivals are the Lakers and Sixers. But I think, as old as I am, I missed the times when the Knicks were really good and competing for titles (and the Celtics may have stunk at that point, for all I know).
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Stu11 : 4/7/2021 12:51 pm : link
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Would love to see a W tonight. I am enjoying the disappointing Celtics season. Ainge and Stevens have gotten way too much praise and not nearly enough criticism.


Same here! I'm old school started watching in the late 70's. Cant stand the Celts and that shitty green. I'm enjoying this a lot. My kids don't get it. They don't have any ill will towards them more than any other team. Growing up watching them kick our ass and McHale reaching for that shitty towel every time he was going to the free throw line. Screw them. And I'm sure those older than I hate them even more and would love to have shoved that victory cigar up Red Auerbach's ass on more than one ocassion lol.



I'm older than that and have zero feelings about the Knicks. It's not a Red Sox/Yankees thing to me. I just don't think it's a rivalry. Our rivals are the Lakers and Sixers. But I think, as old as I am, I missed the times when the Knicks were really good and competing for titles (and the Celtics may have stunk at that point, for all I know).

Well from the mid 70's on it hasn't been much of a rivalry. I wouldn't expect a Celts fan to have any hatred towards the Knicks. Actually though the Knicks championship days were just a bit before my time, reading Harvey Araton's book "When the Garden was Eden" the Knicks-Celts had some intense bitter playoff series in the late 60's-early 70's. Also the Knicks-Washington Bullets did too before Earl the Pearl was traded to the Knicks.
I started watching the Knicks when the Celtics were in the process  
Del Shofner : 4/7/2021 1:35 pm : link
of winning 8 straight NBA championships, something that almost certainly will never happen again. So I hate them in a way that fans of a certain era hate the Yankees.

I actually didn't hate the Celtics of the Larry Bird era all that much, though, as I kind of admired Bird.

But generally I hate all Boston teams on principle.
Hawks look good right now and probably favorite  
larryflower37 : 4/7/2021 2:12 pm : link
For the 4 spot.
5 and 6 are wide open right now.

Knicks have very little chance of winning a playoff series but I would like to see them in the playoffs.

I want nothing to do with a play in game or 2.
RE: I started watching the Knicks when the Celtics were in the process  
Bill L : 4/7/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15212745 Del Shofner said:
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of winning 8 straight NBA championships, something that almost certainly will never happen again. So I hate them in a way that fans of a certain era hate the Yankees.

I actually didn't hate the Celtics of the Larry Bird era all that much, though, as I kind of admired Bird.

But generally I hate all Boston teams on principle.

I was just starting to watch during (and can really only remember the ending of the Havlicek/Cowans era.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 3:02 pm : link
I don't hate the Cs & don't even view them as rivals like I do the Pacers, Heat, & Bulls.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 6:40 pm : link
Bulls roster got recently vaccinated with first shot.
I've been living up in Massachusetts since 1988  
Bob from Massachusetts : 4/7/2021 6:45 pm : link
and I STILL hate the Celtics, the green color, the stupid leprechaun and the 4-leaf clover, Larry Bird, the parquet floor, the whole thing. Still pissed off about Bird and the '80s. And now the Knicks are a fun team.

It would be great to beat the Celtics this season. I don't even care that much about playoffs or not, I just want them to win each time they play and to see the young guys get better.
Bob.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 7:06 pm : link
I respect that. I lived in Maine for a year between their first & second title & man...talk about an obnoxious fan base. It's only gotten worse since then. I ran a half up in Hampton Beach, NH in '19 & went out to a bar afterwards for NFL Sunday. I believe it was Giants Vikes, but I was wearing a Giants T-shirt & hat & the bartender was being a complete dick to me because I was a Giants fan. Still sore from XLII & XLVI...oh well.
Payton throws a pass backwards at half court  
adamg : 4/7/2021 7:44 pm : link
sly like a fox...
Payton throws a pass backwards at half court  
adamg : 4/7/2021 7:44 pm : link
sly like a fox...
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 7:44 pm : link
Brown is someone I would love on the Knicks. Seems like a good dude too.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 7:46 pm : link
RJ...good start.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 7:53 pm : link
I don't know if it was COVID or whatever, but Tatum hasn't looked like Tatum of old. He was on a tear last season before the league shut down.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 7:57 pm : link
Not a well shooting game thus far.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 7:59 pm : link
Bad stretch here.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 8:14 pm : link
IQ, instant offense.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 8:16 pm : link
IQ...dude needs to be on the court more.
RE: Payton throws a pass backwards at half court  
robbieballs2003 : 4/7/2021 8:19 pm : link
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sly like a fox...


One of the dumbest plays I've seen in a long time.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 8:21 pm : link
Rose or IQ needs to be starting. Enough of Elfrid.
Once again our bench all positive + -  
Carl in CT : 4/7/2021 8:30 pm : link
And our starters between -8 and -10. Never fails. Coach T is just like all old folks resistant to change.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 8:31 pm : link
For the love of God, how does Elfrid get more minutes than Rose or IQ? Am I missing something?
IQ  
Carl in CT : 4/7/2021 8:32 pm : link
2-2 (I’m not including a foul miss not called ) and they pull him. Won’t let him get into rythem.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 8:34 pm : link
The IQ thing is baffling. He has looked great tonight. Let the kid cook.
Payton 0-3 from the field with 3 TO and no Assists  
adamg : 4/7/2021 8:35 pm : link
Good game for him.
RJ.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 8:37 pm : link
Huge half.
RJ deserves 20 shots a night  
adamg : 4/7/2021 8:38 pm : link
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We would be up right now  
Giantology : 4/7/2021 8:39 pm : link
If Randle wasn’t off / out of gas and Payton wasn’t garbage. Good stuff from RJ at least.
Did they say  
BigBlueShock : 4/7/2021 8:42 pm : link
Barrett is 13 for his last 19 in 3 point shots? Holy crap
I hate elfrid payton  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 8:57 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2021 9:00 pm : link
Great start to second half.
Tony Brithers is a terrible official  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:08 pm : link
not going to call Barrett getting pushed then completely miss Tatum carry
How is that a foul on Payton??  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:09 pm : link
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Smart play by Payton  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:10 pm : link
Drives and then dishes to Noel for the six footer
Put IQ IN!  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:13 pm : link
FUCK. He's only played 9 minutes. WTF.
Randle is a monster.  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:22 pm : link
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That right there is why Quickley doesnt play more  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:29 pm : link
leaves Langford wide open for no reason..
I thought refs were supposed to protect the shooters?  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:44 pm : link
Tristan thompson ran over Burks on that 3 of vourse no call
Jesus the Knicks need to  
mfsd : 4/7/2021 9:47 pm : link
get a rebound
Randle is trash right now  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:47 pm : link
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RJ should be shooting more than Randle  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:48 pm : link
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Hobestly fuck you thibs  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:49 pm : link
for bringing Payton back
Over dribbling constantly  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:51 pm : link
move the fucking ball
Ugh  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:52 pm : link
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Give RJ the ball  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:54 pm : link
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Fuck this team  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:55 pm : link
stupid bullshit constantly, why the fuck are you doubling? for what fucking reason?, tatum was going nowhere..

Team is still fricken stupid
FUCK.  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:55 pm : link
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Burks taking shots like a ball hog  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:56 pm : link
RJ wide open at 3. Fuck
Thibs gets what he deserves  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 9:57 pm : link
for constantly starting Payton and then bringing him back with 2 and half left..

Double Tatum for what fricken reason? you keave Smart wide open..
and randle was dog shit tonight  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 10:00 pm : link
ball should of been in Rjs hands in the final 4 minutes, not Randles..

Tired of these close losses that could easily be avoided
Most frustrating stretch of Knicks basketball in well over a decade  
Stu11 : 4/7/2021 10:09 pm : link
And fuck anyone who comes in here and says awww shucks I knew we suck this year is house money blah blah blah. The fact is we don't suck. Payton at pg? Sure he sucks but the Celtics literally have no fucking pg!!!! Talent wise we are better than this Celtic team. We are better than the shitty Twolves. We are better than that slop the Nets had out there the other night. I know I'm overreacting but its so godamn frustrating since the ASB losing close game after close game.
RJ is a future all star  
adamg : 4/7/2021 10:09 pm : link
Randle needs to dish to RJ twice as much as he does
Missed the last couple of games  
bceagle05 : 4/7/2021 10:09 pm : link
and it sounds like I didn’t miss much. At least RJ is continuing to ascend.
RE: Fuck this team  
chopperhatch : 4/7/2021 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15213294 nygiants16 said:
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stupid bullshit constantly, why the fuck are you doubling? for what fucking reason?, tatum was going nowhere..

Team is still fricken stupid


Lots of stupid play. We dont just need a talented PG and another scorer, we need smarter players.

Several times Bullock was running around the middle of the floor covering nobody.
RE: Missed the last couple of games  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 10:15 pm : link
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and it sounds like I didn’t miss much. At least RJ is continuing to ascend.


Rj was awesome tonight, ball should of been in his hands a lot more
29 points on 14 shots for RJ  
adamg : 4/7/2021 10:15 pm : link
#FreeRJ #20Shots
Rose is so much better at finding rj  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 10:19 pm : link
than anyone else on the team..
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Stu11 : 4/7/2021 10:19 pm : link
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and it sounds like I didn’t miss much. At least RJ is continuing to ascend.



Rj was awesome tonight, ball should of been in his hands a lot more

Not gonna argue that the strides RJ has made this year are sooo heartening, but these awful fucking turnovers with no one near him in the last 2 minutes of games just has to stop.
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nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 10:23 pm : link
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and it sounds like I didn’t miss much. At least RJ is continuing to ascend.



Rj was awesome tonight, ball should of been in his hands a lot more


Not gonna argue that the strides RJ has made this year are sooo heartening, but these awful fucking turnovers with no one near him in the last 2 minutes of games just has to stop.


Oh that turnover killed me, i screamed so loud my wife almost killed me
RE: Rose is so much better at finding rj  
robbieballs2003 : 4/7/2021 10:27 pm : link
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than anyone else on the team..


He still hasn't played well of late. Quickley hasn't either although he showing signs of breaking out. The backcourt is just a shitshow right now. I don't care who is there it is just the same bullshit. Payton is uselss. I mean that backcourt violation says it all. How dumb was that? Rose just dribbles way too much, doesn't move the ball enough, and puts up these horrible bricks. The ball movement isn't 100% their fault. The other 4 guys just stand still most of the time. And these shitty offensive possessions lead to bad defensive possessions.

And, yes, the stupid on this team is starting to show. Way too much standing around on D and not knowing where guys are. And that Bullock double on Tatum was the epitome of this team post all star break.

This went from a fun and enjoyable team to watch and root for to one that is extremely frustrating every night now. I HATE this offensive system if you can even call it a system.
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Stu11 : 4/7/2021 10:32 pm : link
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and it sounds like I didn’t miss much. At least RJ is continuing to ascend.



Rj was awesome tonight, ball should of been in his hands a lot more


Not gonna argue that the strides RJ has made this year are sooo heartening, but these awful fucking turnovers with no one near him in the last 2 minutes of games just has to stop.



Oh that turnover killed me, i screamed so loud my wife almost killed me

After these past 10 days of Knicks games my wife is filing divorce by 8am tomorrow lol
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nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 10:33 pm : link
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and it sounds like I didn’t miss much. At least RJ is continuing to ascend.



Rj was awesome tonight, ball should of been in his hands a lot more


Not gonna argue that the strides RJ has made this year are sooo heartening, but these awful fucking turnovers with no one near him in the last 2 minutes of games just has to stop.



Oh that turnover killed me, i screamed so loud my wife almost killed me


After these past 10 days of Knicks games my wife is filing divorce by 8am tomorrow lol


haha same, my wife hates basketball season
72 games instead of 82  
bceagle05 : 4/7/2021 10:48 pm : link
is looking like a huge plus for us right now.
Elfrid Payton  
Bricktop : 4/7/2021 10:55 pm : link
needs to play more. He's eventually going to be a stud. More minutes.
RE: 72 games instead of 82  
nygiants16 : 4/7/2021 11:00 pm : link
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is looking like a huge plus for us right now.


Yup, big 3 game homestand coming uo
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 6:31 am : link
RJ continues to improve. Tomorrow will be tough vs. Grizz.
Lots of games at home coming up  
nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 8:58 am : link
tough games but not unbeatable teams, teams you habe to beat if you want to go to the playoffs, games against toronto twice, Lakers, Pelicans twice, hornets, Memphis, Chicago..
This team needs a pure point guard  
Jan in DC : 4/8/2021 9:15 am : link
in the worst way. Every offensive possession seems so difficult.

Rose is great, but he's a combo guard. Same with IQ.

Also, I know Thibs wants to win and make it to the playoffs (that doesn't feel all that important to me at this point) but can we stop playing Taj Gibson and Derrick Rose in crunch time? I know that developing young players is a process, but how do we know if they're gamers if we don't let them ball with the game on the line?

I'm talking mostly about Quickley. I love Taj and Rose, but they're not going to be playing meaningful minutes for this team when we're competitive.
RE: This team needs a pure point guard  
nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 9:17 am : link
In comment 15213499 Jan in DC said:
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in the worst way. Every offensive possession seems so difficult.

Rose is great, but he's a combo guard. Same with IQ.

Also, I know Thibs wants to win and make it to the playoffs (that doesn't feel all that important to me at this point) but can we stop playing Taj Gibson and Derrick Rose in crunch time? I know that developing young players is a process, but how do we know if they're gamers if we don't let them ball with the game on the line?

I'm talking mostly about Quickley. I love Taj and Rose, but they're not going to be playing meaningful minutes for this team when we're competitive.


what young player do you want in instead of Taj?

I get people want Quickley to play more, i do too, but he is clearly hitting the rookie wall, has not been good for a long stretch, Playing big minutes is not thebonly way to develop players...
I this this team has maxed out it's potential  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/8/2021 9:19 am : link
at it's current state.

They are terribly limited by lack of a PG. Everyone would be improved by it, even Obi.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 9:26 am : link
We need to make a real run @ Lonzo this summer.
They have been giving teams far too many second chances  
steve in ky : 4/8/2021 9:29 am : link
Giving up too many offensive rebounds been killing them and the biggest reason for coming up short.

Look at the last couple close losses

Boston 20 second chance points to the Knicks 7
Nets 26 to the Knicks 2
RE: I this this team has maxed out it's potential  
Heisenberg : 4/8/2021 9:33 am : link
In comment 15213502 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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at it's current state.

They are terribly limited by lack of a PG. Everyone would be improved by it, even Obi.


Especially Obi. A guy that can hit him for open 3s and help him crash the rim would unlock Obi.
RE: They have been giving teams far too many second chances  
Semipro Lineman : 4/8/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15213514 steve in ky said:
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Giving up too many offensive rebounds been killing them and the biggest reason for coming up short.

Look at the last couple close losses

Boston 20 second chance points to the Knicks 7
Nets 26 to the Knicks 2


Direct evidence of how Mitch's injury is hurting the Knicks on defense
RE: RE: This team needs a pure point guard  
Jan in DC : 4/8/2021 9:41 am : link
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in the worst way. Every offensive possession seems so difficult.

Rose is great, but he's a combo guard. Same with IQ.

Also, I know Thibs wants to win and make it to the playoffs (that doesn't feel all that important to me at this point) but can we stop playing Taj Gibson and Derrick Rose in crunch time? I know that developing young players is a process, but how do we know if they're gamers if we don't let them ball with the game on the line?

I'm talking mostly about Quickley. I love Taj and Rose, but they're not going to be playing meaningful minutes for this team when we're competitive.



what young player do you want in instead of Taj?

I get people want Quickley to play more, i do too, but he is clearly hitting the rookie wall, has not been good for a long stretch, Playing big minutes is not thebonly way to develop players...


Like I said, the comment was more about Quickley than anyone else. Ideally you'd want Obi or Robinson playing those minutes but Obi hasn't earned them and Robinson is injured.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 9:53 am : link
Feels like all these recent losses have been really close games where we fall just short. That's bound to happen with a team learning to win. Making the playoffs is still possible obviously, but this year really is about growth & we've seen that from Randle to RJ to the emergence of IQ. Obi is frustrating; he's been a disappointment & really doesn't have a future here long term if we keep Randle.
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nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15213535 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Feels like all these recent losses have been really close games where we fall just short. That's bound to happen with a team learning to win. Making the playoffs is still possible obviously, but this year really is about growth & we've seen that from Randle to RJ to the emergence of IQ. Obi is frustrating; he's been a disappointment & really doesn't have a future here long term if we keep Randle.


I think you have 3 starters in Randle, Rj and Mitch..

You have your bench in Rose, Bullock, Burks and Noel or Gibson..

I have a feeling IQ and Toppin will be traded in offseason for a star shooting guard..

If Not Iq right now is another scorer off the bench
RJ  
Jon in NYC : 4/8/2021 9:58 am : link
is shooting 45% from 3 the last 40 games. 40 games is quite a sample size. That's half a season. Wild.
RE: RJ  
Heisenberg : 4/8/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15213540 Jon in NYC said:
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is shooting 45% from 3 the last 40 games. 40 games is quite a sample size. That's half a season. Wild.


If he continues to be one of those guys who adds to his game each year, the sky is the limit.
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 10:26 am : link
Who are you thinking? Beal? I gotta imagine LaVine is off table with the Bulls dealing for Vuc.
They'd better  
Jon in NYC : 4/8/2021 10:28 am : link
not trade IQ. I just bought his jersey. Need to work on my farmer's tan now that the weather's nice.
RE: They'd better  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15213579 Jon in NYC said:
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not trade IQ. I just bought his jersey. Need to work on my farmer's tan now that the weather's nice.


Getting close to Halter Top Day no in the Northeast?
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Giantology : 4/8/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15213537 nygiants16 said:
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Feels like all these recent losses have been really close games where we fall just short. That's bound to happen with a team learning to win. Making the playoffs is still possible obviously, but this year really is about growth & we've seen that from Randle to RJ to the emergence of IQ. Obi is frustrating; he's been a disappointment & really doesn't have a future here long term if we keep Randle.



I think you have 3 starters in Randle, Rj and Mitch..

You have your bench in Rose, Bullock, Burks and Noel or Gibson..

I have a feeling IQ and Toppin will be traded in offseason for a star shooting guard..

If Not Iq right now is another scorer off the bench


IQ is not going anywhere.
RE: nygiants16.  
nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 10:43 am : link
In comment 15213576 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Who are you thinking? Beal? I gotta imagine LaVine is off table with the Bulls dealing for Vuc.


I think its Beal, I also wouldnt rule out Lavine
I'd be shocked..  
Jan in DC : 4/8/2021 10:48 am : link
if the Bulls didn't invest in Lavine long term. They basically decided to not blow it all up, and went all in with the team that they had. I can't imagine they'll blow it up after a half a season.

Beal is a possibility, but I think it'll have to be a player that forces his way to NYC.
RE: I'd be shocked..  
nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 11:13 am : link
In comment 15213616 Jan in DC said:
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if the Bulls didn't invest in Lavine long term. They basically decided to not blow it all up, and went all in with the team that they had. I can't imagine they'll blow it up after a half a season.

Beal is a possibility, but I think it'll have to be a player that forces his way to NYC.


He is a free agebt after next year, they can offer him a max extension but if he wants to leave he will
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TyreeHelmet : 4/8/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15213576 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Who are you thinking? Beal? I gotta imagine LaVine is off table with the Bulls dealing for Vuc.


Chicago can’t trade Lavine after the Vooch deal. They gave up their own unprotected picks. He also has an outside chance at All NBA and become eligible for a supermax this summer.

Lonzo has to be their top priority. It’s beyond the point that need to use that cap space.

Beal would be great but it’s going to be costly and a ton of teams in on him. I’m all for it but he will be tough to get.
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nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 11:51 am : link
In comment 15213672 TyreeHelmet said:
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Who are you thinking? Beal? I gotta imagine LaVine is off table with the Bulls dealing for Vuc.



Chicago can’t trade Lavine after the Vooch deal. They gave up their own unprotected picks. He also has an outside chance at All NBA and become eligible for a supermax this summer.

Lonzo has to be their top priority. It’s beyond the point that need to use that cap space.

Beal would be great but it’s going to be costly and a ton of teams in on him. I’m all for it but he will be tough to get.


Not a lot of teams have the draft picks or the cap space needed to get it done..it will take a lot though
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 12:04 pm : link
Yes, I don't see Chicago dealing Lavine. As for Beal, I'm all in on him, but he really sounds like he wants to stay in Washington. Does that change? Perhaps, but this isn't a dude-at the moment-looking to flee the DMV.

Yes, yes, yes on Lonzo this summer.
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nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15213705 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Yes, I don't see Chicago dealing Lavine. As for Beal, I'm all in on him, but he really sounds like he wants to stay in Washington. Does that change? Perhaps, but this isn't a dude-at the moment-looking to flee the DMV.

Yes, yes, yes on Lonzo this summer.


I dont see hoe Beal could be happy coming back next year with Washington, but who knows..

Lonzo is a must
It's funny...  
Jan in DC : 4/8/2021 1:01 pm : link
a player like Chris Paul or Fred Van Vleet would be great for this team now.

If they can't land a big player via trade, I wouldn't mind them giving Kyle Lowery or Mike Conley big 1 year deals while they try to find the third star.
RE: It's funny...  
TyreeHelmet : 4/8/2021 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15213783 Jan in DC said:
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a player like Chris Paul or Fred Van Vleet would be great for this team now.

If they can't land a big player via trade, I wouldn't mind them giving Kyle Lowery or Mike Conley big 1 year deals while they try to find the third star.


Outside of the true superstars, I think Van Vleet would be the perfect fit for what the current Knicks weaknesses are. But at least they have cap space....
Randle needs to play point  
adamg : 4/8/2021 5:48 pm : link
But he needs to shoot less too. He should be feeding RJ the ball. RJ should be given some time at point to develop. He's not great handling, but he's getting better at driving and dishing. He's making smart plays. I'd like to see Randle and RJ taking similar amounts of baskets: 20 each.
RE: Randle needs to play point  
nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15214150 adamg said:
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But he needs to shoot less too. He should be feeding RJ the ball. RJ should be given some time at point to develop. He's not great handling, but he's getting better at driving and dishing. He's making smart plays. I'd like to see Randle and RJ taking similar amounts of baskets: 20 each.


I wouldnt mind starting Burks, ball in Randle and Rjs hands
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adamg : 4/8/2021 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15214171 nygiants16 said:
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But he needs to shoot less too. He should be feeding RJ the ball. RJ should be given some time at point to develop. He's not great handling, but he's getting better at driving and dishing. He's making smart plays. I'd like to see Randle and RJ taking similar amounts of baskets: 20 each.



I wouldnt mind starting Burks, ball in Randle and Rjs hands


I think Burks is our best 1 on the team, Rose included. Burks just needs to be better about not taking every shot he can.

I like Rose and IQ coming off the bench. Burks starting at the 1. And Elfrid Payton on a spaceship to Mars.

Burks-Bullock-RJ-Randle-Mitch is probably our best starting lineup with the personnel we have. Obviously, Noel is in there for now.
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adamg : 4/8/2021 6:01 pm : link
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nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15214176 adamg said:
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But he needs to shoot less too. He should be feeding RJ the ball. RJ should be given some time at point to develop. He's not great handling, but he's getting better at driving and dishing. He's making smart plays. I'd like to see Randle and RJ taking similar amounts of baskets: 20 each.



I wouldnt mind starting Burks, ball in Randle and Rjs hands



I think Burks is our best 1 on the team, Rose included. Burks just needs to be better about not taking every shot he can.

I like Rose and IQ coming off the bench. Burks starting at the 1. And Elfrid Payton on a spaceship to Mars.

Burks-Bullock-RJ-Randle-Mitch is probably our best starting lineup with the personnel we have. Obviously, Noel is in there for now.


Rj drives me nuts sometimes but right now hr is best with the ball in his hands and spacing on the floor
RE: RE: It's funny...  
BigBlueShock : 4/8/2021 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15213912 TyreeHelmet said:
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a player like Chris Paul or Fred Van Vleet would be great for this team now.

If they can't land a big player via trade, I wouldn't mind them giving Kyle Lowery or Mike Conley big 1 year deals while they try to find the third star.



Outside of the true superstars, I think Van Vleet would be the perfect fit for what the current Knicks weaknesses are. But at least they have cap space....

Didn’t Van Vleet make clear that he was not interested in leaving Toronto? How is that situation the Knicks fault? And Paul also said he wasn’t interested in the East coast because his family is on the West Coast. So, yeah.....cap space.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 7:17 pm : link
Non Knicks related, but this is the upcoming LAL schedule...@ Heat, @ Nets, @ Knicks, @ Charlotte, vs. Boston, vs. Utah, vs. Utah, @ Dallas, @ Dallas...

I'd love a 2-7, 1-8 stretch...all which is entirely possibly with no LBJ/AD.

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 7:18 pm : link
I would love-LOVE-for somehow the Lakers to fall into the play in tourney.
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nygiants16 : 4/8/2021 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15214249 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Non Knicks related, but this is the upcoming LAL schedule...@ Heat, @ Nets, @ Knicks, @ Charlotte, vs. Boston, vs. Utah, vs. Utah, @ Dallas, @ Dallas...

I'd love a 2-7, 1-8 stretch...all which is entirely possibly with no LBJ/AD.


and it looks like Kuzma out for a little bjt
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15214254 nygiants16 said:
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Non Knicks related, but this is the upcoming LAL schedule...@ Heat, @ Nets, @ Knicks, @ Charlotte, vs. Boston, vs. Utah, vs. Utah, @ Dallas, @ Dallas...

I'd love a 2-7, 1-8 stretch...all which is entirely possibly with no LBJ/AD.




and it looks like Kuzma out for a little bjt


That's a shame...
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TyreeHelmet : 4/8/2021 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15214219 BigBlueShock said:
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a player like Chris Paul or Fred Van Vleet would be great for this team now.

If they can't land a big player via trade, I wouldn't mind them giving Kyle Lowery or Mike Conley big 1 year deals while they try to find the third star.



Outside of the true superstars, I think Van Vleet would be the perfect fit for what the current Knicks weaknesses are. But at least they have cap space....


Didn’t Van Vleet make clear that he was not interested in leaving Toronto? How is that situation the Knicks fault? And Paul also said he wasn’t interested in the East coast because his family is on the West Coast. So, yeah.....cap space.


If he was offered more money you don’t think he would of have left? Those are the reports but he also stated himself on a podcast that he was looking for the biggest pay day. We’ll never know because the Knicks never offered him.

I just didn’t understand why the Knicks never even took a run at him. I know I’m beating a dead horse but I just would have loved him on the Knicks. And he would be fix many of the Knicks current weaknesses.

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