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Gio Bernard Released - Gio vs Booker

Bear vs Shark : 4/7/2021 1:56 pm
Gio Bernard was released today. It seems that the rationale behind signing Booker was that the Giants wanted someone who was a better pass catcher and pass blocker than Gallman to back up Barkley.

Booker's alright, he's not bad, but someone posted a list of RBs who are still FAs, and while none really popped out, there were a couple that I felt were as good, maybe slightly better than Booker, who could have been had for cheaper (e.g. Duke Johnson -- no, I am not the Duke Johnson troll dude).

But now that Gio's released, I'm curious if people think he would have been a better fit than Booker.

While it's not a huge deal, and there's way more you can kill Gettleman for, I still think Booker was overpaid and they signed him too early. I would have preferred they waited a bit before signing a backup RB, and then spent a late round pick on one.
No  
eric2425ny : 4/7/2021 2:02 pm : link
Gio is more of a third down back where Booker can run between the tackles.
It was critical to get Booker locked up as soon as possible.  
Jimmy Googs : 4/7/2021 2:06 pm : link
Because if the Giants didn’t grab him early in free agency then










Actually, I can’t think of any reason why he was a priority...
Bernard  
Mike in NY : 4/7/2021 2:06 pm : link
In the last 5 years only 1 season where he averaged over 4.0 YPC. Only once in his career did he have a higher YPC running the ball than Booker had last year with Oakland. Good receiving threat out of the backfield, but that is all he is. Booker also helps on ST units.
Booker signing early  
Thegratefulhead : 4/7/2021 2:19 pm : link
Happened because they looked at everyone likely available and made the decision that if Booker had to sub for Barkley he could handle the same duties plus be an asset on specials. They had reasons they didn't want to wait for what was left on the scrap heap. I am OK with that.
Booker  
Toth029 : 4/7/2021 2:44 pm : link
Was a guy they liked in ST play too.

Plus, Bernard may look for more money than Booker right now.

Cincinnati asked to pay cut and he declined.
I have questions about Booker and why HE was signed  
Dinger : 4/7/2021 2:57 pm : link
but I'm assuming that someone on the staff made him a priority, whether it was Garrett or Judge or someone else. I would hope that the underlying BBI suspicion that DG rushed out to overpay him without any knowledge or input from anyone else is completely false. sometimes you swing and you hit, sometimes you miss, sometimes you foul off like ten pitches......
what does it matter  
Producer : 4/7/2021 3:07 pm : link
we have Booker. They can add Gio too. He is definitely useful.
This is how some folks think that signing happened  
glowrider : 4/7/2021 3:50 pm : link
Gettleman got to the facility early in the morning, had a private convo with the agent, and negotiated and drew up the paperwork without anyone the wiser. Eventually, he had to tell the coaches, “Hey, Joey, hey Clappah, look what I got fah yous (whether you like it or not)! A new RB! Now we have RBs! Hmm, all this talk of RBs...now I want Roast Beef. Where’s Kevin, maybe he can get me some Roast Beef? Hope you can use him - a bahgain I tell ya!” Or a mild variation thereof.

That is never going to happen with this staff. If DG wasn’t working from JJ’s play sheet, I’m fairly sure he’d be gone pdq. He seems like the ultimate company man; genuine go along to get along kinda guy, which works well at this stage. The player acquisition process certainly bore this out, and everything done and said indicates he is operating under this principle.

The team wanted and valued this player, he was a top priority for one reason or another, and they paid not much to get him. They avoided a bidding war and eliminated the risk of him going elsewhere. Conviction and action. I’m good with that.
Judge  
PaulN : 4/7/2021 4:16 pm : link
Values special teams a lot and we need to be better on specials then we were last season.
RE: This is how some folks think that signing happened  
BillT : 4/7/2021 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15212920 glowrider said:
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Gettleman got to the facility early in the morning, had a private convo with the agent, and negotiated and drew up the paperwork without anyone the wiser. Eventually, he had to tell the coaches, “Hey, Joey, hey Clappah, look what I got fah yous (whether you like it or not)! A new RB! Now we have RBs! Hmm, all this talk of RBs...now I want Roast Beef. Where’s Kevin, maybe he can get me some Roast Beef? Hope you can use him - a bahgain I tell ya!” Or a mild variation thereof.

That is never going to happen with this staff. If DG wasn’t working from JJ’s play sheet, I’m fairly sure he’d be gone pdq. He seems like the ultimate company man; genuine go along to get along kinda guy, which works well at this stage. The player acquisition process certainly bore this out, and everything done and said indicates he is operating under this principle.

The team wanted and valued this player, he was a top priority for one reason or another, and they paid not much to get him. They avoided a bidding war and eliminated the risk of him going elsewhere. Conviction and action. I’m good with that.

Come on. Stop it. DG the villain in every scenario. Get with the program.
RE: RE: This is how some folks think that signing happened  
Bear vs Shark : 4/7/2021 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15212963 BillT said:
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In comment 15212920 glowrider said:


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Gettleman got to the facility early in the morning, had a private convo with the agent, and negotiated and drew up the paperwork without anyone the wiser. Eventually, he had to tell the coaches, “Hey, Joey, hey Clappah, look what I got fah yous (whether you like it or not)! A new RB! Now we have RBs! Hmm, all this talk of RBs...now I want Roast Beef. Where’s Kevin, maybe he can get me some Roast Beef? Hope you can use him - a bahgain I tell ya!” Or a mild variation thereof.

That is never going to happen with this staff. If DG wasn’t working from JJ’s play sheet, I’m fairly sure he’d be gone pdq. He seems like the ultimate company man; genuine go along to get along kinda guy, which works well at this stage. The player acquisition process certainly bore this out, and everything done and said indicates he is operating under this principle.

The team wanted and valued this player, he was a top priority for one reason or another, and they paid not much to get him. They avoided a bidding war and eliminated the risk of him going elsewhere. Conviction and action. I’m good with that.


Come on. Stop it. DG the villain in every scenario. Get with the program.
I said in my OP it's not the biggest deal, but it was perplexing, and people stated it was at the time.

Having said that, no, DG does not get the benefit of the doubt at all. He's been the GM for 3 years and the team has sucked for 3 years. It's not about making someone out to be the "villain", its about DG doing a shitty job so far. That's an unequivocal fact based on the win-loss record of the team during his tenure.
Apparently  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/7/2021 4:21 pm : link
They took him because he is really good in pass protection, in addition to whatever else he does.
Well  
OC2.0 : 4/7/2021 4:30 pm : link
Moot comparison now. Decision was made in the beginning. Was a nice backup to Jacobs & an upgrade over Gallman.
RE: This is how some folks think that signing happened  
BlueVinnie : 4/7/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15212920 glowrider said:
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Gettleman got to the facility early in the morning, had a private convo with the agent, and negotiated and drew up the paperwork without anyone the wiser. Eventually, he had to tell the coaches, “Hey, Joey, hey Clappah, look what I got fah yous (whether you like it or not)! A new RB! Now we have RBs! Hmm, all this talk of RBs...now I want Roast Beef. Where’s Kevin, maybe he can get me some Roast Beef? Hope you can use him - a bahgain I tell ya!” Or a mild variation thereof.

That is never going to happen with this staff. If DG wasn’t working from JJ’s play sheet, I’m fairly sure he’d be gone pdq. He seems like the ultimate company man; genuine go along to get along kinda guy, which works well at this stage. The player acquisition process certainly bore this out, and everything done and said indicates he is operating under this principle.

The team wanted and valued this player, he was a top priority for one reason or another, and they paid not much to get him. They avoided a bidding war and eliminated the risk of him going elsewhere. Conviction and action. I’m good with that.

As you say, he was a top priority for one reason or another. However, to paint it as a keen move by management to avoid a "bidding war" is kind of nutty. I highly doubt any bidding war would ever have occurred over Booker. They had their reasons for liking him more than the plethora of other available free agent RBs, so they signed him. That's it.
.  
Bill2 : 4/7/2021 5:19 pm : link
Two things in addition to the above list of differences:

1) in a likely Covid affected pre season, he has the reputation of picking up the playbooks quickly and being able to train well on his own.

2) one of the fastest RB to the line in the NFL.

Add it all up and recruiting him early seems smart. I know nothing about his deal structure...that could have been an overpay but we know nothing about who else had contacted him at the time.
RE: .  
Big Blue '56 : 4/7/2021 5:31 pm : link
In comment 15213039 Bill2 said:
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Two things in addition to the above list of differences:

1) in a likely Covid affected pre season, he has the reputation of picking up the playbooks quickly and being able to train well on his own.

2) one of the fastest RB to the line in the NFL.

Add it all up and recruiting him early seems smart. I know nothing about his deal structure...that could have been an overpay but we know nothing about who else had contacted him at the time.


Some here KNOW we could have waited, because some here KNOW no one else contacted him. And that’s that!
I do KNOW  
Carl in CT : 4/7/2021 5:36 pm : link
Filthy reached out to him. No offer was planned at the amount he signed for.
RE: I do KNOW  
Big Blue '56 : 4/7/2021 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15213061 Carl in CT said:
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Filthy reached out to him. No offer was planned at the amount he signed for.


Honestly not understanding
RE: This is how some folks think that signing happened  
Platos : 4/7/2021 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15212920 glowrider said:
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A new RB! Now we have RBs! Hmm, all this talk of RBs...now I want Roast Beef. Where’s Kevin, maybe he can get me some Roast Beef?


i lol'd
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Bear vs Shark : 4/7/2021 6:11 pm : link
In comment 15213055 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15213039 Bill2 said:


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Two things in addition to the above list of differences:

1) in a likely Covid affected pre season, he has the reputation of picking up the playbooks quickly and being able to train well on his own.

2) one of the fastest RB to the line in the NFL.

Add it all up and recruiting him early seems smart. I know nothing about his deal structure...that could have been an overpay but we know nothing about who else had contacted him at the time.



Some here KNOW we could have waited, because some here KNOW no one else contacted him. And that’s that!
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Bear vs Shark : 4/7/2021 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15213055 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15213039 Bill2 said:


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Two things in addition to the above list of differences:

1) in a likely Covid affected pre season, he has the reputation of picking up the playbooks quickly and being able to train well on his own.

2) one of the fastest RB to the line in the NFL.

Add it all up and recruiting him early seems smart. I know nothing about his deal structure...that could have been an overpay but we know nothing about who else had contacted him at the time.



Some here KNOW we could have waited, because some here KNOW no one else contacted him. And that’s that!
Why have your posts been so snarky lately after all these years, particularly when it comes to questioning DG?

Overthecap says his 1 year deal with the Raiders was $910,000 with a $50,000 prorated Bonus, at an $887.5k cap hit (taking up .4% of the cap)

According to them, the Giants signed him for 2 years, with
a prorated bonus of 1 mil each year, and base salaries of 1.5 mil in year 1 and 2 mil in year 2 (cap numbers of 2.5 mil and 3.5 mil, respectively).

He had a decent year last year (500 total yards) so I guess he was due for a raise, and again, as I stated, it's not like this is the biggest deal in the world, but is it really a stretch to think that there was going to be a bidding war for Devontae Booker?

I trust Judge but not so much DG (Jonathan Stewart). If Judge wanted him, fine, but it does seem kinda weird that he was the first player they signed, and he was given a 2 year contract, especially when you consider some of the RBs who are still unsigned.

I'm sorry, I thought this was a Giants message board, my bad for discussing one of their FA signings.
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Big Blue '56 : 4/7/2021 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15213097 Bear vs Shark said:
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In comment 15213055 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 15213039 Bill2 said:


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Two things in addition to the above list of differences:

1) in a likely Covid affected pre season, he has the reputation of picking up the playbooks quickly and being able to train well on his own.

2) one of the fastest RB to the line in the NFL.

Add it all up and recruiting him early seems smart. I know nothing about his deal structure...that could have been an overpay but we know nothing about who else had contacted him at the time.



Some here KNOW we could have waited, because some here KNOW no one else contacted him. And that’s that!

Why have your posts been so snarky lately after all these years, particularly when it comes to questioning DG?

Overthecap says his 1 year deal with the Raiders was $910,000 with a $50,000 prorated Bonus, at an $887.5k cap hit (taking up .4% of the cap)

According to them, the Giants signed him for 2 years, with
a prorated bonus of 1 mil each year, and base salaries of 1.5 mil in year 1 and 2 mil in year 2 (cap numbers of 2.5 mil and 3.5 mil, respectively).

He had a decent year last year (500 total yards) so I guess he was due for a raise, and again, as I stated, it's not like this is the biggest deal in the world, but is it really a stretch to think that there was going to be a bidding war for Devontae Booker?

I trust Judge but not so much DG (Jonathan Stewart). If Judge wanted him, fine, but it does seem kinda weird that he was the first player they signed, and he was given a 2 year contract, especially when you consider some of the RBs who are still unsigned.

I'm sorry, I thought this was a Giants message board, my bad for discussing one of their FA signings.


Snark is not intended. Sarcasm, a little bit. :)...When Booker was signed, a bunch came on here and effectively said, “....as though he was in high demand and we had to sign him right away...” They were speaking out of their asses given they had zero idea who contacted Booker (if any) and how much he was valued by Judge, even at the cost of perhaps spending a bit more. It’s the CERTAINTY that brings out the “snark” or sarcasm out of me..In life or on here, I dislike “know-it-alls,” always have always will..

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The Giants need running backs. They have none other than one  
chick310 : 4/7/2021 6:51 pm : link
guy who looks like there is plenty of rehab on his horizon from a recent video. Good news is there are no games that count for about 5 months. And there was a fairly big supply in free agency and a full draft to cover those needs.

With that said, the Giants continue to oddly prioritize this position with their actions as if they were going on the endangered species list.

Nevertheless, hope Booker adds good value.
Curiously missing  
Semipro Lineman : 4/8/2021 7:20 am : link
in all of the opening posts in these "other rbs are/were available" threads is any mentions of special teams or pass blocking.

Point blank, some running backs are so good as a runner or receiver that their pass blocking issues can be overlooked or easily mitigated. Apparently the coaches did not feel that way about Gallman so they went and found someone else.

Also, I seem to remember back up rbs like Reuben Droughns who were special team aces. For years this board wrote post after post killing backup players (Sinorice Moss, Ramses Barden) who didn't play well on special teams as spot wasters. Now it appears that people are deliberately ignoring special teams for a perceived marginal upgrade in running ability
RE: Curiously missing  
Big Blue '56 : 4/8/2021 7:40 am : link
In comment 15213437 Semipro Lineman said:
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in all of the opening posts in these "other rbs are/were available" threads is any mentions of special teams or pass blocking.

Point blank, some running backs are so good as a runner or receiver that their pass blocking issues can be overlooked or easily mitigated. Apparently the coaches did not feel that way about Gallman so they went and found someone else.

Also, I seem to remember back up rbs like Reuben Droughns who were special team aces. For years this board wrote post after post killing backup players (Sinorice Moss, Ramses Barden) who didn't play well on special teams as spot wasters. Now it appears that people are deliberately ignoring special teams for a perceived marginal upgrade in running ability


Well said
I love the playbook..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/8/2021 8:03 am : link
that covers both scenarios.

After Day 1, when no players are signed in FA, the sky is falling and everyone is asleep at the wheel.

When we sign a player right away, we outbid only ourselves for a scrap heap player that is a cap drain and a burden to society.

Basically a fool-proof way to keep bashing the FO!!
RE: I love the playbook..  
mfsd : 4/8/2021 8:27 am : link
In comment 15213454 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that covers both scenarios.

After Day 1, when no players are signed in FA, the sky is falling and everyone is asleep at the wheel.

When we sign a player right away, we outbid only ourselves for a scrap heap player that is a cap drain and a burden to society.

Basically a fool-proof way to keep bashing the FO!!


Funny how the “Abrams sucks he can’t manage the cap” narrative quickly disappeared. They haven’t yet conjured up a cover story to get out from under that one
RE: RE: I love the playbook..  
Big Blue '56 : 4/8/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15213466 mfsd said:
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In comment 15213454 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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that covers both scenarios.

After Day 1, when no players are signed in FA, the sky is falling and everyone is asleep at the wheel.

When we sign a player right away, we outbid only ourselves for a scrap heap player that is a cap drain and a burden to society.

Basically a fool-proof way to keep bashing the FO!!



Funny how the “Abrams sucks he can’t manage the cap” narrative quickly disappeared. They haven’t yet conjured up a cover story to get out from under that one


Relax, the off-season is still young.. :)
It's pretty clear...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/8/2021 9:03 am : link
...that Schurmur had too much control. Mara and DG saw the error of their ways in trusting PS and hired a guy that would have far less control.
DG is now in full control of personnel and that is why we are seeing this turn around and far more success in both the draft and FA.
Keep the chef out of the grocery store. Shopping is not his job.
RE: re:  
Mike from Ohio : 4/8/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15213097 Bear vs Shark said:
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I'm sorry, I thought this was a Giants message board, my bad for discussing one of their FA signings.


It used to be a Giants message board. Now it is a battleground for the narrative. You need to jump on board with the the Giants are all clueless idiots and every move they make sucks, or you need to jump on board with the Giants are super-geniuses and every move is either wonderful or, at worst, completely irrelevant.

It takes a while to scroll through posts and find actual discussion.
RE: Curiously missing  
DavidinBMNY : 4/9/2021 8:55 am : link
In comment 15213437 Semipro Lineman said:
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in all of the opening posts in these "other rbs are/were available" threads is any mentions of special teams or pass blocking.

Point blank, some running backs are so good as a runner or receiver that their pass blocking issues can be overlooked or easily mitigated. Apparently the coaches did not feel that way about Gallman so they went and found someone else.

Also, I seem to remember back up rbs like Reuben Droughns who were special team aces. For years this board wrote post after post killing backup players (Sinorice Moss, Ramses Barden) who didn't play well on special teams as spot wasters. Now it appears that people are deliberately ignoring special teams for a perceived marginal upgrade in running ability
. Right. Special teams was pretty bad last year. Once Cody Core was hurt it felt like specials turned into a weakness. The bottom of the roster has to be strong at specials. With the 2 RB they added (FB as well) both are good on specials. John Ross may offer to the return game on specials. Same with Jackson. I bet the Bama LB's can also play specials. Outside of Golladay (and maybe OL/DL) it seems like everyone added has a shot to contribute on specials.
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