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Trade Suggestion from NFL.com Giants/Bears

Chris684 : 4/7/2021 9:13 pm
Bears receive NYG 2021 1st Rd (11)

NYG receives Bears 2021 1st Rd (20), 2021 3rd Rd (83) and 2022 1st Rd

I would like this move but only if Pitts, Smith and Surtain are gone. At 20 I’d be looking at Ojulari and Collins.

Do you like this trade? What are some other viable targets at #20?
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I’d do that in a heartbeat.  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/7/2021 9:15 pm : link
A second 1st next year is huge.
I think it's a good trade  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:17 pm : link
I'd want an additional pick. Maybe a 2021 fourth.

But that pick could be useful if Jones takes a huge step back and we need ammo to move up for a QB. It also would be nice just to have CHI first. Probably going to be a good pick with their QB situation.
Chicago’s #1 next year is very tempting  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 4/7/2021 9:18 pm : link
Could very well be a top 10 pick.

Maybe instead of the 3rd they’d change it a 2nd for our 4th?
Yep,  
robbieballs2003 : 4/7/2021 9:19 pm : link
I'd do that in a heartbeat as well. There will still be talent available at 20 that fits our needs (edge, LB, OL, WR).
This only happens  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/7/2021 9:19 pm : link
If one of the 5 top QB prospect falls to 11 and the Bears like the prospect. I doubt it will happen though.
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Danny Kanell : 4/7/2021 9:22 pm : link
In a heartbeat
RE: Yep,  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15213254 robbieballs2003 said:
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I'd do that in a heartbeat as well. There will still be talent available at 20 that fits our needs (edge, LB, OL, WR).


Kadarius Toney baby!
That  
AcidTest : 4/7/2021 9:37 pm : link
would be a phenomenal trade for the Giants, and yet some people still want more. And maybe that's why we never trade down. We always ask for too much.

At #20, I'd hope for Jamin Davis, but given his pro day, he may go top #15.
Absolutely but only if Smith or Waddle are gone  
Bill L : 4/7/2021 9:41 pm : link
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Wow...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/7/2021 9:41 pm : link
... Yes!
RE: That  
adamg : 4/7/2021 9:42 pm : link
In comment 15213270 AcidTest said:
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would be a phenomenal trade for the Giants, and yet some people still want more. And maybe that's why we never trade down. We always ask for too much.

At #20, I'd hope for Jamin Davis, but given his pro day, he may go top #15.


YOu're right. I take back my ask. I thought the Mahomes trade was more than it was. Similar trade. 2 1sts and a 3rd. So it's legit. My bad.
I’m in  
OC2.0 : 4/7/2021 9:42 pm : link
But how many teams need a QB between us them?
I’d be ecstatic  
aGiantGuy : 4/7/2021 9:45 pm : link
There’s gonna be great value at #20, home run trade scenario
Good trade for Giants  
The Mike : 4/7/2021 9:46 pm : link
Pitts could be boom/bust and I worry that the Bama WRs are injuries waiting to happen. The first round appears to be deep with quality players. At twenty, a solid pick will be there: Bateman or Marshall at WR; Phillips, Paye or Rousseau at edge; Collins or JOK at LB; Darrisaw or Vera-Tucker at OT. Also might see someone like Parsons or Slater fall which is a possibility if there is a run on edge rushers and WRs.

Giants deserve a lot of credit in positioning themselves to shop while "not being hungry" in this draft. The free agent moves have fleshed out the roster so they can focus not only on best player available with each pick, but be ready to seize advantageous trade opportunities.



I'd do that trade.  
FStubbs : 4/7/2021 10:08 pm : link
Good chance the Bears first rounder next year is a top 5 pick.
Easy Yes from me  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/7/2021 10:10 pm : link
The first next year is too much to pass up.
RE: I'd do that trade.  
Eric on Li : 4/7/2021 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15213324 FStubbs said:
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Good chance the Bears first rounder next year is a top 5 pick.


yep. Gotta be honest, I don't think that's a trade you can turn down even if Smith or Pitts is on the board. The chance to get a future first from a mediocre team with a coach on the hot seat doesn't come around often. Look at how BOB set the Dolphins up.

Take the deal and take the best player on the board. That's the flexibility they gained in signing Golladay and Ross.
Why would the Bears make that trade?  
GMen72 : 4/7/2021 10:32 pm : link
If Jones goes 3 to SF, the only trade that makes sense for the Bears, giving up that much, is to trade to 4 to get Fields. There's not going to be a franchise QB available at 11. If they can't get to 4, sit tight and reach on Trask. That's a terrible trade for the Bears.
I'd do that in a minute!  
Red Dog : 4/7/2021 10:33 pm : link
Not high on most of the guys who are being mentioned at #11 anyway, and getting an extra 3rd this year and a 1st next year is a massive gain.

They would still get a decent player at #20, and maybe somebody who would be a better fit anyway.
You got to make that trade  
Rjanyg : 4/7/2021 10:35 pm : link
I think they like Edge for the 1st round pick and Ojulari would be good value and then picking up the extra 3rd is a great place to look for RB.

I like it
RE: Why would the Bears make that trade?  
adamg : 4/7/2021 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15213356 GMen72 said:
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If Jones goes 3 to SF, the only trade that makes sense for the Bears, giving up that much, is to trade to 4 to get Fields. There's not going to be a franchise QB available at 11. If they can't get to 4, sit tight and reach on Trask. That's a terrible trade for the Bears.


What about the North Dakota State kid?
Depends who's on the board at 11  
Anakim : 4/7/2021 10:43 pm : link
But I'd probably do that trade
RE: Why would the Bears make that trade?  
section125 : 4/7/2021 10:44 pm : link
In comment 15213356 GMen72 said:
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If Jones goes 3 to SF, the only trade that makes sense for the Bears, giving up that much, is to trade to 4 to get Fields. There's not going to be a franchise QB available at 11. If they can't get to 4, sit tight and reach on Trask. That's a terrible trade for the Bears.


You think Matt Jones is a franchise QB. He is a gigantic overreach at #3. Fields or Lance could be at #11. Everyone thinks they are great
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GMen72 : 4/7/2021 10:49 pm : link
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If Jones goes 3 to SF, the only trade that makes sense for the Bears, giving up that much, is to trade to 4 to get Fields. There's not going to be a franchise QB available at 11. If they can't get to 4, sit tight and reach on Trask. That's a terrible trade for the Bears.



You think Matt Jones is a franchise QB. He is a gigantic overreach at #3. Fields or Lance could be at #11. Everyone thinks they are great


No...but that's who every mock has SF taking. I think Fields is the 2nd best QB in this draft. I also think Carolina trades out of 8 or takes the 5th QB. I don't think there's any chance one of the top 5 QB makes to 11. If not, no chance the Bears consider this trade.

Also, if Fields is available at 11...the Giants should take him.
If the players the Giants are targeting are gone, yes, do it.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/7/2021 11:05 pm : link
I might prefer a 2021 2nd-rounder to a 2022 first — the 2nd round is loaded this year — but given how wacky this draft year is, maybe not.

The Bears' 2022 1st-rounder could be almost anywhere in the round. They'd be betting on themselves to have a great season. Big risk.
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section125 : 4/7/2021 11:15 pm : link
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If Jones goes 3 to SF, the only trade that makes sense for the Bears, giving up that much, is to trade to 4 to get Fields. There's not going to be a franchise QB available at 11. If they can't get to 4, sit tight and reach on Trask. That's a terrible trade for the Bears.



You think Matt Jones is a franchise QB. He is a gigantic overreach at #3. Fields or Lance could be at #11. Everyone thinks they are great



No...but that's who every mock has SF taking. I think Fields is the 2nd best QB in this draft. I also think Carolina trades out of 8 or takes the 5th QB. I don't think there's any chance one of the top 5 QB makes to 11. If not, no chance the Bears consider this trade.

Also, if Fields is available at 11...the Giants should take him.


Yeah I see that. SF should take Fields, not Jones. Matt Jones is Christian Ponderish...

And No the Giants shouldn't take Fields at #11.
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Bear vs Shark : 4/7/2021 11:23 pm : link
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If Jones goes 3 to SF, the only trade that makes sense for the Bears, giving up that much, is to trade to 4 to get Fields. There's not going to be a franchise QB available at 11. If they can't get to 4, sit tight and reach on Trask. That's a terrible trade for the Bears.



You think Matt Jones is a franchise QB. He is a gigantic overreach at #3. Fields or Lance could be at #11. Everyone thinks they are great



No...but that's who every mock has SF taking. I think Fields is the 2nd best QB in this draft. I also think Carolina trades out of 8 or takes the 5th QB. I don't think there's any chance one of the top 5 QB makes to 11. If not, no chance the Bears consider this trade.

Also, if Fields is available at 11...the Giants should take him.



Yeah I see that. SF should take Fields, not Jones. Matt Jones is Christian Ponderish...

And No the Giants shouldn't take Fields at #11.
Mac Jones. Fields at 11 would be incredible luck for the Giants, whether they take him (which I think they should), or use him being there to trade out of the spot.
Mahomes trade is a good comparison  
Giantimistic : 4/8/2021 12:15 am : link
K.C. traded the No. 27 overall pick, a third-round pick and their 2018 first-round selection to the Buffalo Bills to move up to No. 10 to select Mahomes.

If the bears think their QB is at 11, and it could happen, they would offer something similar.

It is a trade I would take.
No brainer  
Optimus-NY : 4/8/2021 4:38 am : link
Sign me up
It takes two.  
Giant John : 4/8/2021 5:16 am : link
Chicago can’t be that dumb.
RE: It takes two.  
Blue21 : 4/8/2021 7:21 am : link
In comment 15213412 Giant John said:
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Chicago can’t be that dumb.


I agree.
Chicago can’t be that dumb?  
johnnyb : 4/8/2021 7:31 am : link
This is an organization that traded up to select Trubisky. Yes, they can be that dumb. Desperate to add a QB and this GM will take the risk.
Of course I  
Big Blue '56 : 4/8/2021 7:41 am : link
would do that
Not a question.  
darktimes : 4/8/2021 8:03 am : link
Take that and run. That's why we had the FA we did. Options.
When you're..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/8/2021 8:12 am : link
picking at 11, if a scenario like that presents itself, you should take it the vast majority of the time.

Great value and you still have a pick to fill a hole.
I would argue that you have to seriously weigh  
Bill L : 4/8/2021 8:17 am : link
the quality of the player you would give up against the hole(s) you are filling. For me, the gasp between the top 4 pass-catchers and the rest would be too large and you miss the chance to be transformative to do some patchwork and plugging. OTOH, if the pass-catchers are gone or you're dead-set on picking defense of OG, then you trade down in a nanosecond because your OG is an OG is an OG and the same can be said for edges.
Looks great, subject of course to who’s on the board.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/8/2021 8:18 am : link
Unlikely Gettleman would do his successor that favor, but I sure would. 😉
You make that deal Ludvich? Yeah, I make that deal.  
Spider56 : 4/8/2021 8:24 am : link
Damn good deal ... 40 second nark
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It’s a clear win in value-chart terms.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/8/2021 8:40 am : link
The value gap between #11 and #20 is 400-500 points, depending on which chart you use. An average 2022 first-round pick is worth roughly that much, so the chart would say you’re getting #83 this year as a bonus. IIRC, the Bears don’t have a fourth-round pick, which might account for part of the high price.

Of course, the chart matters less than the actual players available at #11, but it provides a useful sanity check.

FWIW, the full-round discount on future picks seems kind of steep for current circumstances. By 2022, teams should have a fuller complement of data to support their draft decisions.
Of course I’d do that  
UConn4523 : 4/8/2021 8:55 am : link
no idea why Chicago would though
RE: Of course I’d do that  
Victor in CT : 4/8/2021 9:07 am : link
In comment 15213481 UConn4523 said:
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no idea why Chicago would though


exactly. this is a corollary to the Dick Young "fair trade" adage using draft picks instead of players
Of course you do this trade,  
chopperhatch : 4/8/2021 9:27 am : link
but the only way it happens, as someone already said, is if one of Fields or Lance falls to 11.

Then DG has to make sure he doesnt start laughing until the Bears hang up the phone.
You mean Judge.  
chick310 : 4/8/2021 9:31 am : link
Gettleman has shown to forget to answer his cellphone on draft day.
RE: Chicago’s #1 next year is very tempting  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/8/2021 9:32 am : link
In comment 15213252 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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Could very well be a top 10 pick.

Maybe instead of the 3rd they’d change it a 2nd for our 4th?

I think I'd rather have the 3rd and keep our 4th than to have to give up our 4th for another 2nd. I do understand the allure of picking up another 2nd but I personally would prefer to pick up an additional pick rather than just improve the quality of one of our picks we have but keep the overall quantity the same.

Simply put, with so much uncertainty in this draft, I'd rather have five guys in the first four rounds than four guys in the first three.
i would absolutely  
ryanmkeane : 4/8/2021 10:17 am : link
say yes to that trade. A lot of edge talent should be available with pick #20 and then you have a great shot at top 10 or 15 pick in 2022
If my top targets at #11 are gone  
JonC : 4/8/2021 10:28 am : link
I'd make the trade down and go Edge.
RE: I’m in  
TommyWiseau : 4/8/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15213278 OC2.0 said:
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But how many teams need a QB between us them?


Possible teams:

Philly at 12
NE at 15
Raiders at 17
Washington at 19
RE: It takes two.  
j_rud : 4/8/2021 10:37 am : link
In comment 15213412 Giant John said:
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Chicago can’t be that dumb.


Mitchell Trubisky, Nick Foles, Andy Dalton, and the entire Raiders organization disagree.
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