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You can't have too many WR's....or can you?.

Grizz99 : 4/8/2021 1:49 am

I think it was Ernie A. who coined the phrase, only he was referencing Pass Rushers.
The answer is "no" you can never have too many Wide Receivers, but I think you can reach a point where you getting overkill and there have to be better places to spend resources. And if there's always room for a pass rusher to splash his talent, there's only one ball on offense.
And I'm going to make a case that we're about at that point and why I hope they don't go with another WR.
1. This isn't really consistent with the argument, but I don't like any of the Wides not named Chase (and, regrettably, Chase reminds me just a bit of the hoopola awarded to Sammy Watkins in 2014 - which is the last time we selected from a similar slot). Waddle didn't play last year { a big negative IMHO), didn't participate in workouts and scares the heck out of me from the no.11 spot. Ditto with the marvelously skilled Smith, 167 lbs(is the rumor) and remarkably spindly legs don't necessary spell disaster but the potentials there.
But that's cheating and not addressing the main point.
I think Barclay and EE have a lot of WR in their field stretching games. I expect good years from both, and, if so, that effectively reduces the need for an additional WR.
Rudolph is going to need the ball.
Pettis and John Ross bring potential and speed, blue blazing speed, and are going to need reps.
Darius Slayton of being dismissed here because he didn't have a good year. He started off looking fine against Chi., he got hurt afterwards and played in spite of it. The kid is 6-1, he's got under 4.4 speed, he shows a work ethic, intelligence and a rapport with Jones. I think he's going to have A fine year and be helped simply by the talent around him.
Effectively the Giants have added: Saquon Barkley, Petis, Kyle Rudolph, John Ross and Kenny Golladay. It is reasonable if arguable that EE and Darius Slayton will have better years. And that still leaves David Sills and C.J. Board along with the experienced and very competent Shepard.
Again, I'm not saying that a great receiver wouldn't help, only that I like the augmented crew, and, injuries notwithstanding, they have a lot of weapon, nice balance and a unit they can go to war with.
And there's still only one ball and a finite no. of reps available.
The conventional wisdom says: by filling the positions of need in FA, they've freed themselves to use the draft to bring home the BPA. I get it, makes sense, but it can also be turned in an odd way into a logical counterpoint: I think that a superb free agency period that filled so many heretofor weak spots can also free the draft to fill the remaining weak spot...the Offensive line.
But no WR please... don't like their bust potential (even Chase didn't play last year) and don't feel a compelling need.
I always feel the need to qualify, I'm not an expert and the views presented here are only idle ramblings from a casual fan.
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robbieballs2003 : 4/8/2021 6:28 am : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 6:29 am : link
My eyes are bleeding.
Waddle actually did play last year  
Jim in Tampa : 4/8/2021 6:44 am : link
He got hurt in the 4th game and came back to play in the National Championship game.

He finished with 28 receptions for 591 yrs (21.1 yrd avg) and 4 TDs.

You don't need to worry about his health. The Giants don't play a game that counts for another 5 months and if they decide to draft Waddle it means that they've checked him out and he's healthy.
Formatted.  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 4/8/2021 7:00 am : link
I think it was Ernie A. who coined the phrase, only he was referencing Pass Rushers.

The answer is "no" you can never have too many Wide Receivers, but I think you can reach a point where you getting overkill and there have to be better places to spend resources. And if there's always room for a pass rusher to splash his talent, there's only one ball on offense.

And I'm going to make a case that we're about at that point and why I hope they don't go with another WR.

1. This isn't really consistent with the argument, but I don't like any of the Wides not named Chase (and, regrettably, Chase reminds me just a bit of the hoopola awarded to Sammy Watkins in 2014 - which is the last time we selected from a similar slot). Waddle didn't play last year { a big negative IMHO), didn't participate in workouts and scares the heck out of me from the no.11 spot.

Ditto with the marvelously skilled Smith, 167 lbs(is the rumor) and remarkably spindly legs don't necessary spell disaster but the potentials there.

But that's cheating and not addressing the main point.
I think Barclay and EE have a lot of WR in their field stretching games. I expect good years from both, and, if so, that effectively reduces the need for an additional WR.

Rudolph is going to need the ball.

Pettis and John Ross bring potential and speed, blue blazing speed, and are going to need reps.

Darius Slayton of being dismissed here because he didn't have a good year. He started off looking fine against Chi., he got hurt afterwards and played in spite of it. The kid is 6-1, he's got under 4.4 speed, he shows a work ethic, intelligence and a rapport with Jones. I think he's going to have A fine year and be helped simply by the talent around him.

Effectively the Giants have added: Saquon Barkley, Petis, Kyle Rudolph, John Ross and Kenny Golladay. It is reasonable if arguable that EE and Darius Slayton will have better years. And that still leaves David Sills and C.J. Board along with the experienced and very competent Shepard.

Again, I'm not saying that a great receiver wouldn't help, only that I like the augmented crew, and, injuries notwithstanding, they have a lot of weapon, nice balance and a unit they can go to war with.

And there's still only one ball and a finite no. of reps available.

The conventional wisdom says: by filling the positions of need in FA, they've freed themselves to use the draft to bring home the BPA. I get it, makes sense, but it can also be turned in an odd way into a logical counterpoint: I think that a superb free agency period that filled so many heretofor weak spots can also free the draft to fill the remaining weak spot...the Offensive line.

But no WR please... don't like their bust potential (even Chase didn't play last year) and don't feel a compelling need.

I always feel the need to qualify, I'm not an expert and the views presented here are only idle ramblings from a casual fan.
If WR is at the top of their board they should take him.  
Blue21 : 4/8/2021 7:03 am : link
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There is more than 1 round in the draft  
GiantsRage2007 : 4/8/2021 7:19 am : link
And more than 3 wr available

You're counting on a lot of unhealthy players staying healthy in your summary (Shepard, Barkley, EE, Rudolph...)

They should take at least 1 at some point.
Not all WR's are equal, so the point is not valid  
Bill L : 4/8/2021 7:35 am : link
We have Golladay and we have a decent slot. Slayton hasn't proven to be consistent, versatile, or that he can reliably get separation. He's a project. The rest are dregs.

Look at it this way. Yes, we can throw 6 bodies out there now. But...last year, we had the worst receiving corps in the league. Now we have Golladay. But, turn one ankle or tweak a hamstring and take away Golladay and what do we have? The worst receiving corps in the league.
Good points and to some extent I agree  
Rjanyg : 4/8/2021 7:59 am : link
The draft is not just about today but the future. Drafting a WR in round one will make the roster crowded this year but in future seasons may seem like the smart move. Jones needs more than 1 go to receiver. Slayton has been with Jones the whole time and they seem to have a connection. Golladay, Rudolph, Ross are all good additions. Shepard has had some injury issues and Engram is in his last year and may not return.

The WR position is a strength of this draft. So drafting to its strength doesn’t alway mean taking a WR in the 1st round, if anything it means finding a strong player in later rounds. Round 2 & 3 there will be good receivers, allowing NYG to go with a more pressing need in round 1.
think from the perspective  
Dankbeerman : 4/8/2021 8:02 am : link
Of what happens if we lose Golladay and everyone bumps up a spot.

How improved is Slayton, Sheppard and Ross over Slayton Sheppard and Tate? Almost a wash and we had horrid WR play last year even when those 3 hit the field together.

Slayton and Sheppard should look better with Golladay on the feild and each of them slotting down a peg. Ross and Pettis have some explosiveness but a sub package type guys.

We need another piece at WR. Its not a top need but it could be a top value if 1 of the 4 Pass Catchers is available at 11. If not there should be a pick on day 2.
Don't make mistake of  
JonC : 4/8/2021 8:45 am : link
forgetting injuries always occur, some players wash out, some move after their one year deal, some just are there and play specials.

You can't rest on laurels when the average career is four seasons long. You've got to feed the pipeline, and this WR corps as is is one injury to KG away from being dead in the water.

The 2021 draft isn't only about filling holes for the 2021 season. Fans need to get away from this hole in the ground and broaden their thought process.
Barkley makes all the wr way better  
Danny Dimes : 4/8/2021 8:51 am : link
Slaytons best game was vs the Steelers. Giants offense was top 10 in 2019, with a terrible OL. Look at Cowgirls, they have the best WR core in nfl, how did that work out for them?
Giants need balance  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/8/2021 8:56 am : link
Both the running and passing game work together. You need to have a threat at the WR where if you focus on the run you can make a team pay. Sit back in more coverage and you will pay for it on the ground.

If the OL improves in run blocking and the Giants are in 2nd 5/6 I think we see Jones take a meaningful step. The issue the Giants have had for almost a decade is being in 2nd and 9-11 yards the majority of times. Consistently do this and Jones, the RB's and WR's will all look better.

If Jones is the goods then over time he will develop to be able to better handle tougher down and distance scenarios. Most younger QB's need help till they put it all together and even then they need some balance imo.

Was this an issue  
blueblood : 4/8/2021 9:05 am : link
Its a Cruz and Nicks game.. make them go to Pascoe. Make them go to Manningham...

NO you cant.

Why is it that EVERY other team can have MULTIPLE weapons on offense to stress a defense and make it harder to cover them but when the Giants replace Golden Tate with Kenny Golladay and upgrade at TE with Rudolph who will probably beat out one of Smith or Toilolo..

Giants fans go WHOA we have enough.. we dont want overload.. God forbid we bring in another WR because we have CJ Board waiting in the wings..

Saints can have multiple weapons. Chiefs can assemble a friggin VOLTRON of weapons.. and we envy them... but we get ONE guy... who REPLACES another guy.. and Giants fans go...

Oh thats enough dont get anymore..

Asinine.
The second sentence in this OP makes no sense.  
chick310 : 4/8/2021 9:06 am : link
And naming a bunch of WRs that haven’t done anything in the NFL just because they are currently on the roster isn’t making your OP theme any better.

If Giants can grab an impact receiving target at #11, then he will likely be the pick.
RE: Was this an issue  
Danny Dimes : 4/8/2021 9:11 am : link
In comment 15213490 blueblood said:
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Its a Cruz and Nicks game.. make them go to Pascoe. Make them go to Manningham...

NO you cant.

Why is it that EVERY other team can have MULTIPLE weapons on offense to stress a defense and make it harder to cover them but when the Giants replace Golden Tate with Kenny Golladay and upgrade at TE with Rudolph who will probably beat out one of Smith or Toilolo..

Giants fans go WHOA we have enough.. we dont want overload.. God forbid we bring in another WR because we have CJ Board waiting in the wings..

Saints can have multiple weapons. Chiefs can assemble a friggin VOLTRON of weapons.. and we envy them... but we get ONE guy... who REPLACES another guy.. and Giants fans go...

Oh thats enough dont get anymore..

Asinine.



Cj board waoting on the wings? They have Golladay, Shepoard, Slayton, pettis and john ross. How many wr can you line up? Barkley led the team with receptions his rookie year, defense have to account to him, he isnt your average rb. If you dont pay attention to barkley giants will troll you like they fid with OBJ throws TDs to a wide open barkley. Giants are better off getting another stud RB, then they can line up barkley and another rb anywhere and really keep defenses guessing
I said “No more Smurfs” but I should have included  
Ivan15 : 4/8/2021 9:19 am : link
“No more stick figures” too!
I said “No more Smurfs” but I should have included  
Ivan15 : 4/8/2021 9:20 am : link
“No more stick figures” too!
I said “No more Smurfs” but I should have included  
Ivan15 : 4/8/2021 9:20 am : link
“No more stick figures” too!
RE: I said “No more Smurfs” but I should have included  
Ivan15 : 4/8/2021 9:21 am : link
In comment 15213504 Ivan15 said:
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“No more stick figures” too!


Sorry! Not my fault.
RE: Not all WR's are equal, so the point is not valid  
eric2425ny : 4/8/2021 9:28 am : link
In comment 15213446 Bill L said:
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We have Golladay and we have a decent slot. Slayton hasn't proven to be consistent, versatile, or that he can reliably get separation. He's a project. The rest are dregs.

Look at it this way. Yes, we can throw 6 bodies out there now. But...last year, we had the worst receiving corps in the league. Now we have Golladay. But, turn one ankle or tweak a hamstring and take away Golladay and what do we have? The worst receiving corps in the league.


This. They need another high end receiver. We’re paying a good amount for KG and Shepard so this should come from the first round or two of the draft. Keep in mind Shepard has been super injury prone including concussions. He could be a cap casualty next year.
RE: RE: Not all WR's are equal, so the point is not valid  
Brown_Hornet : 4/8/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15213513 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15213446 Bill L said:


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We have Golladay and we have a decent slot. Slayton hasn't proven to be consistent, versatile, or that he can reliably get separation. He's a project. The rest are dregs.

Look at it this way. Yes, we can throw 6 bodies out there now. But...last year, we had the worst receiving corps in the league. Now we have Golladay. But, turn one ankle or tweak a hamstring and take away Golladay and what do we have? The worst receiving corps in the league.



This. They need another high end receiver. We’re paying a good amount for KG and Shepard so this should come from the first round or two of the draft. Keep in mind Shepard has been super injury prone including concussions. He could be a cap casualty next year.

I'm hoping for an elite defender in RD1 but agree that WR is still a position in need of talent.
RE: RE: Was this an issue  
blueblood : 4/8/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15213494 Danny Dimes said:
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In comment 15213490 blueblood said:


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Its a Cruz and Nicks game.. make them go to Pascoe. Make them go to Manningham...

NO you cant.

Why is it that EVERY other team can have MULTIPLE weapons on offense to stress a defense and make it harder to cover them but when the Giants replace Golden Tate with Kenny Golladay and upgrade at TE with Rudolph who will probably beat out one of Smith or Toilolo..

Giants fans go WHOA we have enough.. we dont want overload.. God forbid we bring in another WR because we have CJ Board waiting in the wings..

Saints can have multiple weapons. Chiefs can assemble a friggin VOLTRON of weapons.. and we envy them... but we get ONE guy... who REPLACES another guy.. and Giants fans go...

Oh thats enough dont get anymore..

Asinine.




Cj board waoting on the wings? They have Golladay, Shepoard, Slayton, pettis and john ross. How many wr can you line up? Barkley led the team with receptions his rookie year, defense have to account to him, he isnt your average rb. If you dont pay attention to barkley giants will troll you like they fid with OBJ throws TDs to a wide open barkley. Giants are better off getting another stud RB, then they can line up barkley and another rb anywhere and really keep defenses guessing


ok a few things...

1) Pettis and John Ross? John Ross is on a ONE year deal and he hasnt done much since being drafted for being fast. Pettis hasnt done much either. The Giants should pass on another top receiver or target because of either of these guys.

2) Barkely hasnt been utilized this was since his first year. Some of that is because of injury. Some of that is because of a change in coaching. Shurmur was very good at finding ways to get Barkley the ball in year one. They need to go back to that. However Barkley is coming back from a torn ACL so we dont know what we are getting back yet.

3) Shep has gotten hurt the last few years and has had several concussions. Drafting a WR isnt just about next year. Its about the LONG term as well. A few years down the line will Shep be worth the contract he is getting now? You need to insulate yourself from that issue.

4) And again.. OTHER teams have MULTIPLE weapons.. and we WISH we were those teams.. now that the Giants are trying to catch up to the rest of the NFL.. Giants fans still want to stay in a poverty mentality of.. we have enough.. we dont need more..

then ONE guy gets hurt.. and we are lacking again...
Exactly blueblood  
eric2425ny : 4/8/2021 10:09 am : link
Here’s Shepard’s games played over his career:

2016: 16 games
2017: 11 games
2018: 16 games
2019: 10 games
2020: 12 games

Outside of his rookie year and 2018 he is missing an average of 5 games a season. His yardage high for a season was 2018 with 872 yards and he averages about 700 per season over his career. These stats and games played don’t line up with a $10M AAV contract. If KG misses any time this is our default #1 receiver.

Shepard and Slayton are fine as complimentary pieces, but it would be in the teams best interest to line up someone more explosive and reliable on the opposite side of KG.
blueblood  
JonC : 4/8/2021 10:15 am : link
good post.
i think it's almost a certainty  
ryanmkeane : 4/8/2021 10:19 am : link
that if either Smith or Waddle are available, they will be the pick. it makes too much sense
I think I'm much higher on Slayton than most of BBI  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/8/2021 10:19 am : link
I think he'll contribute big this year assuming health naturally. He has shown to be a consistent threat when healthy.

I don't think Shep is a good value at $10M but if he's the slot, he's ok there. In my mind I wanted Waddle to replace Shep, but with Shep's contract that doesn't make sense.

I still hope they take someone like Moore later in the draft.
RE: i think it's almost a certainty  
JonC : 4/8/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15213563 ryanmkeane said:
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that if either Smith or Waddle are available, they will be the pick. it makes too much sense


Yup.
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ryanmkeane : 4/8/2021 10:30 am : link
Barkley in the backfield, Rudolph/Engram depending on the down, with Golladay and Smith split out wide, Shepard in the slot, and Slayton coming in for 4 wide, then you keep investing in mid round interior OL

Now we're talking.
Drop the mic, blueblood.  
Klaatu : 4/8/2021 10:36 am : link
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RE: ....  
eric2425ny : 4/8/2021 10:36 am : link
In comment 15213583 ryanmkeane said:
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Barkley in the backfield, Rudolph/Engram depending on the down, with Golladay and Smith split out wide, Shepard in the slot, and Slayton coming in for 4 wide, then you keep investing in mid round interior OL

Now we're talking.


Good strategy. Plenty of Guard depth in rounds 2-4 to supplement what we currently have.
We have guys with a lot of risk at WR  
Blue The Dog : 4/8/2021 10:45 am : link
Everyone outside of Golloday (and even him to some extent) come with major risk. Shep is a concussion away from being retired (and I'm not as high on him as some on the board). Slayton has not shown he can put it all together yet. Pettis and Ross have some talent, as they were high draft picks, but have shown nothing.

When you have this much risk and variability, it's good to bring in as many options as possible, assuming some percentage, on average, will hit and some will fail. It's the same reason why I'd be happy with o-line in the first. There might be other positions where we could use depth, but these two position groups (exploding QB) have the most unknowns
*excluding  
Blue The Dog : 4/8/2021 10:46 am : link
Not exploding. Oops
WR is definitely an issue  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/8/2021 11:11 am : link
and a position group that needs more talent.
And fans wonder why our  
tyrik13 : 4/8/2021 11:17 am : link
Team is still in the gutter. This team is one injury away from being the worst WR corps in the league but you saying no to an impact WR?!! 🤡🤡🤡, just delete this thread and go sit in the corner. Lemme say this: CowHoes didn’t need another WR last year, but Lamb was there for the taking and it turned them into the no.1 offense in the league until Dak got hurt. They’re also discussing giving up the farm to move to 4 for Kyle Pitts, but you’re sitting here saying we have enough WRs... 🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑
The Lions proved conclusively that you CAN have too many WRs.  
Red Dog : 4/8/2021 12:08 pm : link
That said, the GIANTS need WRs and should definitely add one in the draft. Should be someone with size AND speed if possible. Get somebody big who can run and work from there.
Don't think they have anywhere near 'too many' as it stands  
Breeze_94 : 4/8/2021 11:20 pm : link
1. Golladay missed 11 games last year. If he goes down, we're right back to where we were the last 2 years.

2. Shep- has missed 10 games the last 2 years.

3. Slayton- nice player, great value for a 5th rounder which is why we like him so much. But he isn't a #1 and lacks consistency.

Ross/Pettis are both flyers at this point. Neither has done much in the NFL but are 1 snap away from being essentially a starter (in 11 personnel at least).

Since the draft is about more than just 2021, we also have to remember that only the top 3 are under contract after this season- and Shep has a history of concussions. His contract also points towards a potential cap casualty next off season if he has a down year or can't stay on the field. Plus Engram, another piece of the passing game, is likely gone in 2022.
Re: Lamb  
Grizz99 : 4/9/2021 3:01 am : link
I don't think he disproves the argument, he confirms it. He is a fantastic player, but a team that was built to win last year, didn't really even contend. They were awful and the pick likely would have been better spent on a defensive player.
The point is also made that if Kenny G. Gets hurt we go back to being the worst receiving Corps in football. I don't believe it. Saquon Barkley and Kyle Rudolph are big additions. Evan e and Darius Slayton should be much better next year. Ross and Pettis bring speed that was lacking. The offensive line will almost certainly be better and that will help the passing a game. Kenny G's loss would unquestionably hurt, but the idea is that we would return to last year's level seems very wrong.
And both waddle & Smith have downsides and low basements. They could have Brilliant careers, but 167 lb is not a safe investment. THe comparison to Jerry Rice often made here is wrong on several levels. Rice was durable, these guys might be durable but as of this writing there are significant questions.
"Safe" is important, gamble's and high potential high risk are worthwhile, but not with the 11th pick. You need to find safe AND great potential when you're drafting that high.
The 3am hit and run post...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/9/2021 7:49 am : link
Why should Engram and Slayton be better next year? Ross and Pettis aren’t starters. Rudolph is having foot surgery, and Saquon is coming back from his.

Back to your OP, the Giants simply need more WRs...
Grizz...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/9/2021 8:12 am : link
...I see your point, but consider that the argument for not taking Smith/Waddle is no different than the one for taking Golladay or Jackson.

I also agree that WR is a "like to have" moreso than a "gotta have."
I also agree that we have players that will come to camp and improve. Coaching (teaching) with a young group produces results, especially if the locker room supports growth and a strong team first mentality.

But I would be thrilled with either of the (2) Bama receivers.

I'd also love Parsons, Surtain, Collins or a trade down as well.
RE: Re: Lamb  
blueblood : 4/9/2021 8:26 am : link
In comment 15214471 Grizz99 said:
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I don't think he disproves the argument, he confirms it. He is a fantastic player, but a team that was built to win last year, didn't really even contend. They were awful and the pick likely would have been better spent on a defensive player.
The point is also made that if Kenny G. Gets hurt we go back to being the worst receiving Corps in football. I don't believe it. Saquon Barkley and Kyle Rudolph are big additions. Evan e and Darius Slayton should be much better next year. Ross and Pettis bring speed that was lacking. The offensive line will almost certainly be better and that will help the passing a game. Kenny G's loss would unquestionably hurt, but the idea is that we would return to last year's level seems very wrong.
And both waddle & Smith have downsides and low basements. They could have Brilliant careers, but 167 lb is not a safe investment. THe comparison to Jerry Rice often made here is wrong on several levels. Rice was durable, these guys might be durable but as of this writing there are significant questions.
"Safe" is important, gamble's and high potential high risk are worthwhile, but not with the 11th pick. You need to find safe AND great potential when you're drafting that high.


Yeah Im pretty sure Dallas not contending had a lot more do do with Dak Prescott being out and their OL being a mess, than it did getting ONE defensive player in the first round.

Your putting a lot of weight on two guys who are fast who have done little next to NOTHING in their NFL careeers.

If the Giants have a chance to draft Waddle or Smith and they are the highest rated players on the board.. you draft them. Period.

the NFL plays 11 personnel about 50% of the time. thats the league average.. 3 WR sets are common. One injury and the personnel set that is the most common in the NFL is now less effective.

And again.. the draft isnt about the NEXT year.. Its about all the years after that.. Shep could get hurt again. Will Slayton get better? who knows..

One year prove it deal Ross? If he proves it are you going to pay him next year.. with several other players needing new deals? or do you think he leaves for a better deal?

Pettis? really..

yeah if Waddle or Smith is there no one on this team is going to make the Giants say..

Yeah we are perfectly ok with what we have..

If anything they take another player they have rated higher at that spot or they trade down.. but they arent going to forego a WR because the replaced Golden Tate with a better player.. and Rudolph pushes Toilolo (sp) off the team







That's a really good argument  
Grizz99 : 4/9/2021 10:35 am : link
And you have me just about persuaded. But I think you're ignoring the potential fragility of waddle and Smith.
It's never been that they wouldn't add strength to the team. It's been about the potential 4 bust through injury and an alternative use of finite resources.
Is Slater safer, is the need at offensive line greater?
I categorically don't want ( at least not when there's so many viable and safer alternatives) Waddle. Not coming off an injury, not coming off an unproductive year and missing workouts. And 167 lb, scares me too. I don't care about toughness and Route running, is a built-in liability.
You build a fair case about the potential for disaster among the receiving core. But you never mentioned the addition of Berkeley and Rudolph. Or the reasonably Fair anticipated Improvement with Darius and Evan. And you never talk about a replacement at Right Guard or what happens if Pettis isn't what we hope.
So your argument is good it's just narrow and somewhat out of context and incomplete
RE: That's a really good argument  
Klaatu : 4/9/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15214635 Grizz99 said:
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And you have me just about persuaded. But I think you're ignoring the potential fragility of waddle and Smith.
It's never been that they wouldn't add strength to the team. It's been about the potential 4 bust through injury and an alternative use of finite resources.
Is Slater safer, is the need at offensive line greater?
I categorically don't want ( at least not when there's so many viable and safer alternatives) Waddle. Not coming off an injury, not coming off an unproductive year and missing workouts. And 167 lb, scares me too. I don't care about toughness and Route running, is a built-in liability.
You build a fair case about the potential for disaster among the receiving core. But you never mentioned the addition of Berkeley and Rudolph. Or the reasonably Fair anticipated Improvement with Darius and Evan. And you never talk about a replacement at Right Guard or what happens if Pettis isn't what we hope.
So your argument is good it's just narrow and somewhat out of context and incomplete


Wrong on several levels. Stop digging.
Not a good basis behind the OP  
Jimmy Googs : 4/9/2021 12:00 pm : link
and only getting worse...
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